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im glad that this woman is having to face the prospect of real jail time for abusing her position as teacher. its as wrong for a woman as it is for a man.


OCALA, Fla., Dec. 9 (UPI) -- A Florida judge has rejected a proposed plea deal for a former teacher who pleaded guilty to having sex with a 14-year-old student.

"The agreement went below the guidelines, and I'm not willing to go below the guidelines," Judge Hale Stancil told CNN in Ocala, Fla., without elaborating.

The trial of Debra Lafave, a 25-year-old former reading teacher, is set for April 10.

Defense attorneys had sought to spare their client a prison sentence, which they were able to do with the plea agreement in Hillsborough County.

Lafave, who taught at Greco Middle School in Temple Terrace, pleaded guilty there on Nov. 22 to two counts of lewd and lascivious behavior.

She faces similar charges in Marion County because one of the alleged sexual incidents took place there.

For the Hillsborough offenses, Lafave was sentenced to three years of house arrest followed by seven years of probation. She also must register as a sex offender.

Copyright 2005 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved.

I think the kid's at fault. What fourteen year old gets some and then blabs???? Comeon, use some common sense kids.


{thank you Mind of Mencia, this is just a joke, She should be charged}



But really kid....

I think the kid's at fault. What fourteen year old gets some and then blabs????


Hah! What 14 year old wouldn't?!

*smack*

i dunno. seems to me that the majority of teen boys brag about it no matter who they got if from.

Why did I never get teachers like this?!? :(

Why did I never get teachers like this?!? :(
My thoughts exactly! I've seen pictures of the woman and she is really good-looking. How come I never got that lucky?!

To bad she didn't statutory rape me.

I think the kid's at fault. What fourteen year old gets some and then blabs???? Comeon, use some common sense kids.


{thank you Mind of Mencia, this is just a joke, She should be charged}



But really kid....

It's the teachers fault too she should be mature enough to not have sex with a 14year old!!

Well seeing as IMHO the legal decision age for sex should be around 14-15, I don't think this woman should be punished heavily. As she was a teacher though, she should be reprimanded - it's simply unprofessional behavior.

Judges can do that?

What's wrong with a woman screwing a 14-year old? I doubt it's going to leave him traumatised for life.

Goofballs said it.

Judges can do that?
yup
the judge has to sign off on any plea bargain.

so no one thinks that the sexual exploitation of boys is bad?

*sigh*

I hate those damn american prudes. :gundge:

Let her go!

My thoughts exactly! I've seen pictures of the woman and she is really good-looking. How come I never got that lucky?!
'Cause yer ugly! :p

Hehehe!

so no one thinks that the sexual exploitation of boys is bad? I doubt he felt exploited. It was his damn decision.

yup
the judge has to sign off on any plea bargain.

so no one thinks that the sexual exploitation of boys is bad?

Nope. :)

I doubt he felt exploited. It was his damn decision.

I do think they should let her go if the kid's cool with it. (Though he probably won't be now that they made such a fuss about it - nobody likes being the guy who was molested by his teacher.)

yup
the judge has to sign off on any plea bargain.

so no one thinks that the sexual exploitation of boys is bad?

Of little boys, obviously. Of force or coercion, obviously. Of emotionally immature boys...? Certainly very bad, but how do you test it if age isn't a very reliable proxy variable (i.e. you can get mature 14 year olds and 30 year olds with a pre pubescent mind set!)?

But if he's physically and emotionally mature, I don't think it's bad at all. It's stupid and unprofessional for the teacher to get involved with a pupil though, and she deserves to be banned from teaching, but the principle itself isn't so bad.

ive known a few men who were "initiated" into sex as boys by very much older women. they seemed kinda messed up to me.

i think she needs to spend a good long time in prison.

Elgesh']Of little boys, obviously. Of force or coercion, obviously. Of emotionally immature boys...? Certainly very bad, but how do you test it if age isn't a very reliable proxy variable (i.e. you can get mature 14 year olds and 30 year olds with a pre pubescent mind set!)?

But if he's physically and emotionally mature, I don't think it's bad at all. It's stupid and unprofessional for the teacher to get involved with a pupil though, and she deserves to be banned from teaching, but the principle itself isn't so bad.
You can't ban her from teaching simply because she's HUMAN, IMO. :(

You can't ban her from teaching simply because she's HUMAN, IMO. :(

Time to get the popcorn.

You can't ban her from teaching simply because she's HUMAN, IMO. :(
HUMAN???

she couldnt control her urge to fuck a 14 year old????

she will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of her life and justly so. she should never be left alone with a child again.

ive known a few men who were "initiated" into sex as boys by very much older women. they seemed kinda messed up to me.

i think she needs to spend a good long time in prison.

I think that's the minority opinion. If, as I say, the 14 year old is aware of the situation (and as a bloke who was once a 14 year old), I really don't see the harm in this, or the need for the law to get involved at all.

But the woman joined the teaching club, so they certainly have the right to (and are right to) chuck her out for breaking their policy.

What's wrong with a woman screwing a 14-year old? I doubt it's going to leave him traumatised for life.

the court case will, imean this kid has to go all through high school with every other student knowing he had sex with his teacher and then complained. must be kind of hard for him to get a date with a girl now.

You can't ban her from teaching simply because she's HUMAN, IMO. :(

She's a grown woman. She should have controlled herself. Also, as a teacher, it's completely inappropriate to screw - or get into an intimate relationship with - your students. Banned for life is fine - she knew the risks when she started the job!

ive known a few men who were "initiated" into sex as boys by very much older women. they seemed kinda messed up to me.

i think she needs to spend a good long time in prison.

I don't know that there's enough information (at least in the article in the first post) to make that kind of judgement. While I agree that she shouldn't be allowed to teach for a good long while, I'm not so sure she needs to go to prison.

the court case will, imean this kid has to go all through high school with every other student knowing he had sex with his teacher and then complained. must be kind of hard for him to get a date with a girl now. Exactly - all of that is his own damn fault.

I don't know that there's enough information (at least in the article in the first post) to make that kind of judgement. While I agree that she shouldn't be allowed to teach for a good long while, I'm not so sure she needs to go to prison.

would you feel the same if the genders were reversed and a married 24 year old male teacher was found to be having a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl student?

id say "jail time"

would you feel the same if the genders were reversed and a married 24 year old male teacher was found to be having a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl student?

id say "jail time" That would be different, but I'm not sure if it would warrant jail time.

would you feel the same if the genders were reversed and a married 24 year old male teacher was found to be having a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl student?

id say "jail time"

I would still feel, rationally, that there is not enough evidence here to pass a proper judgement, although my gut reaction would probably be different.

*sigh*

I hate those damn american prudes. :gundge:

Let her go!So, people should be alowed to violate the law on your say-so?

She knew the law... She broke it. To jail with her!

That would be different, but I'm not sure if it would warrant jail time.
no really its not different

anyone who is in a position of authority over a child and is in a position of trust in the community who abuses that trust and authority to sexually abuse that child needs to be in jail.

its not a "2 people meet in a social situation and things go too far" kind of thing.

besides, the age of consent in florida is 16. that makes it rape no matter how willing the boy was.

I would still feel, rationally, that there is not enough evidence here to pass a proper judgement, although my gut reaction would probably be different.

I couldn't agree more with this.

I think by reversing the genders, you get a cultural answer - we want to protect little girls, but young men? Whay-hey, away you go, lad! - the underlying intellectual reasoning answer shouldn't change; it depends only on the phyical and emotional maturity of the 14 year old.

This taps into concepts of sex differences, socialisation, and sexism rather than 'when do we become mature enough to make our own decisions about who we sleep with?'.

I haven't read any of the replies, but I never understood what was wrong with statutory. When I was that age I would have loved to have sex with an attractive woman of breeding age were it not for the fact that I'm saving myself until marriage. The thing that bothers me about this is that it's referred to as statutory 'rape'. As if the teacher had sex with him against his will. It may be statutory, but it was on the willing consent of both parties having sex, so it wasn't a sex offense.

Elgesh']I couldn't agree more with this.

I think by reversing the genders, you get a cultural answer - we want to protect little girls, but young men? Whay-hey, away you go, lad! - the underlying intellectual reasoning answer shouldn't change; it depends only on the phyical and emotional maturity of the 14 year old.

This taps into concepts of sex differences, socialisation, and sexism rather than 'when do we become mature enough to make our own decisions about who we sleep with?'.
And you are going to determine that sufficiently for a judge to make a correct judgement how, exactly???

I haven't read any of the replies, but I never understood what was wrong with statutory. When I was that age I would have loved to have sex with an attractive woman of breeding age were it not for the fact that I'm saving myself until marriage. The thing that bothers me about this is that it's referred to as statutory 'rape'. As if the teacher had sex with him against his will. It may be statutory, but it was on the willing consent of both parties having sex, so it wasn't a sex offense.
The law disagrees with you on that. In any contest between your preferences and the law, guess who wins? :)

And you are going to determine that sufficiently for a judge to make a correct judgement how, exactly???
Heh! You're talking about operationally defining 'that age', right?

I have no idea how to go about that. I know that, in the UK, nothing magic happens on your 16th birthday to suddenly make it OK for you to have sex. I was too immature to be in that sort of relationship then, that's for sure. But, legally, that's when it suddenly becomes OK. You'd have to assess each individual as a seperate 'case' to decide, really, which would cost...:eek:

But just because an idea is impractical at the moment, doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in a debate about morality :)

Poor kid. I bet he was thinking he was the man, getting some with the teacher. Now he's the kid who got raped by the teacher.

He'll surely never get a date until he's old enough to move to a different city.

The law disagrees with you on that. In any contest between your preferences and the law, guess who wins? :)

If you want some random person to come to your house and take away your belongings, shouldn't it be legal for someone to rob you?

If you want some random person to come to your house and take away your belongings, shouldn't it be legal for someone to rob you?

No, because then it would be legal to rob people who didn't want to be robbed.

If you do want to be robbed just leave all the doors and windows open in your house, barricade yourself in the bedroom, and wait about a week.

If you want some random person to come to your house and take away your belongings, shouldn't it be legal for someone to rob you?
Sorry, but that does not compute! [ sounds gong! ] :D

If you want some random person to come to your house and take away your belongings, shouldn't it be legal for someone to rob you?

But that's not a fair comparison. The law deems a fourteen year old unable to give consent. A more fair example would be what if I want some random person to take all your stuff. Shouldn't that be legal?

its regardless of what age she and the pupil were its the fact that she as this persons teacher had loco parentis which means that they shouldn't be having that kind of relationship with their pupils in any way.

I would be for prison terms/punishment (depending on how old the pupil was if over 16 (i.e. legal) fines and loss of job plus blacklisting) for any teacher who willingly entered into any sex act with any pupil.

Shouldn't you be able to voluntarily exempt yourself from protection by law? (Assuming you can do something that hurts you and only you.)

its regardless of what age she and the pupil were its the fact that she as this persons teacher had loco parentis which means that they shouldn't be having that kind of relationship with their pupils in any way.

I would be for prison terms/punishment (depending on how old the pupil was if over 16 (i.e. legal) fines and loss of job plus blacklisting) for any teacher who willingly entered into any sex act with any pupil.

thank you!

its not like a woman who happened to be a teacher met a nice younger man at a party, took him home, then woke up the next morning to find out that the "man" was in fact 14.

she was his TEACHER.

thank you!

its not like a woman who happened to be a teacher met a nice younger man at a party, took him home, then woke up the next morning to find out that the "man" was in fact 14.

she was his TEACHER.
[ pretends to be 16 ] Hi there, Legs! :D

Shouldn't you be able to voluntarily exempt yourself from protection by law? (Assuming you can do something that hurts you and only you.)

IMO, yes, but I don't know if you actually can. It's a moot point, though, because if the law declares him at 14 legally incapable of giving consent to sex, it's not going to give him the ability to exempt himself from protection by law.

[ pretends to be 16 ] Hi there, Legs! :D

i'm not a teacher

IMO, yes, but I don't know if you actually can. It's a moot point, though, because if the law declares him at 14 legally incapable of giving consent to sex, it's not going to give him the ability to exempt himself from protection by law.

You can just refuse to press charges. It doesn't apply in this case however, as he's 14 and too young to decide if he wants to or not.

you can volentarily remove yourself from the law after you reach the age of 18... if you deem that what someone is doing to you is something you want them its all good... for instance being biten by another human being in the US is an asult charge... simple fact but if you want the person to bite you its no big deal... the only challenge to this rule where the 14 year old comes into play is that the US government has declared him to young to deem what is good for him and what is not good for him so does not give him the right to choose to inforce the law or not

or 16 i guess in florida

you can volentarily remove yourself from the law after you reach the age of 18... if you deem that what someone is doing to you is something you want them its all good... for instance being biten by another human being in the US is an asult charge... simple fact but if you want the person to bite you its no big deal... the only challenge to this rule where the 14 year old comes into play is that the US government has declared him to young to deem what is good for him and what is not good for him so does not give him the right to choose to inforce the law or not

or 16 i guess in florida

So what about that German (I think) guy who allowed someone else to literally eat him, and the consumer got tried for it? Or cases where it's the crown/the state pressing charges?

What matters is that it is against the law to have sex with a minor no matter who you are and the fact that this woman was in a position of authority over the kid makes it much worse.

So what about that German (I think) guy who allowed someone else to literally eat him, and the consumer got tried for it? Or cases where it's the crown/the state pressing charges?

Doesn't the state only press charges when the victim is dead?

Doesn't the state only press charges when the victim is dead?

I don't know.

Could someone repeat that, only without using "good"? (Or provide a definition of it, that'd work too.)

Assuming you were serious, he's saying that if an adult (for ease, Person A) decides that they don't want Person B to be charged for a crime commited against Person A, then Person B will not, normally, be charged.

God, the teacher is an idiot.

*sigh*

I hate those damn american prudes. :gundge:

Let her go!I agree... Let her go.
That Judge is stupid... That law is stupid...

I agree... Let her go.
That Judge is stupid... That law is stupid...I do hope that was sarcasm...

The thing is... It's not like it's going to scar him for the rest of his life. He got laid at 14! He's going to be the envy of his friends for years to come!

However, if it was some 14 year old girl... She'd definately need counseling...

(wtf, mate?)

The thing is... It's not like it's going to scar him for the rest of his life. He got laid at 14! He's going to be the envy of his friends for years to come!

However, if it was some 14 year old girl... She'd definately need counseling...

(wtf, mate?)
The boy would most liky need the same counsoling but lettng testostorone get in the way of smart decisions seems to be something us males do often

The thing is... It's not like it's going to scar him for the rest of his life. He got laid at 14! He's going to be the envy of his friends for years to come!

However, if it was some 14 year old girl... She'd definately need counseling...

(wtf, mate?)See, that's the sort of societal double standard I'd like to see disappear.