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Some days ago, I started a thread about Thelema, one user (i don't remember his name) gave me this link: www.sacred-texts.com , it was of great use to me, i read a lot of those documents and it comes lots of types of occultism, including one that's called Chaos Magic, that one was the craziest stuff i've ever read, a guy posted that you must bury yourself to feel energy, and other crazy stuff, so now i make a poll about what you think on occultism.

Weird Question.

What do you mean by Occultism? Do you mean the general sense of seeking to unlock the supernatural? Or do you mean a different kind of Occult like that typically understood as cavorting with demonic entities?

It's a load of reactionary and pointless crap just like any other religious belief.

It's a load of reactionary and pointless crap just like any other religious belief.

Well, to each his own.

I think it's all pretty interesting stuff, though I have no particular desire to get involved in it myself.

I think that alot of the occult ideals are simply reconstituted naturist or animistic ideas that have been around for years. Perhaps not in "mainstream" western society...but in the small villages around the world.

who is this Aleister Crowley that I just hailed?

who is this Aleister Crowley that I just hailed?
He was a crappy poet who did a bunch of stupid things and one of his girlfriends had sex with a goat.
The crowning grace of his life, however, was when he sued someone for libel when they called him a "black magician." He lost the case based on the grounds that libel has to be, you know, false.

who is this Aleister Crowley that I just hailed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_crowley



Mr. Crowley Lyrics




Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
(Yea)You waited on Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
(Ah)Conceived in the eye of a secret
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

Was it polemically sent
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah!

Solo

It's a load of reactionary and pointless crap just like any other religious belief.

There are at least a few occult schools that agree with you. There are those who believe that religious ritual in general isn't actually drawing on any outside force or god, but rather focusing an individual's attention. Think of it as the placebo effect on a grand scale. Not a few occultists willingly attempt to build rituals and practices whose sole effect would be to bring them to a place where they can take advantage of the placebo, to subvert a little bit of themselves for just long enough to get the benefits of belief, but not so much as to loose one's reason.

I remember a question once posed to a prominent occultist who was a big fan of Goetic Magic (traditional demon summoning stuff). A skeptic, hearing about invocations and sacred symbols, asked the obvious quuestion: "Don't you think that maybe its all in your head?" The occultist's response was "Well, of course it is, its just that most people have no idea how big their heads really are." Alot of high ritual magic isn't too different from self-hypnosis or psychotherapy; Carl Jung even used alchemical principals and ideas when first formulating his work on archetypes.

I think that alot of the occult ideals are simply reconstituted naturist or animistic ideas that have been around for years. Perhaps not in "mainstream" western society...but in the small villages around the world.

Some definately are. Wicca is definately a good example of that. Western Ceremonialism, however, has more roots in European traditions (alchemy, numerology, etc) and far eastern traditions (the extremes of hinduism and buddhism have quite a bit of magical and ritual components).

Occultism rocks! :D
I would also practise it, as long as it's no satanic rites and the likes.

Occultism rocks! :D
I would also practise it, as long as it's no satanic rites and the likes.

Hey, what's wrong with satan? He's just misunderstood, you know.

Hey, what's wrong with satan? He's just misunderstood, you know.
Nah, not really. It's really God that's misunderstood. Really all there is is a choice between two complete and utter assholes.

Occultism rocks! :D
I would also practise it, as long as it's no satanic rites and the likes.

Fuzzy bunny?

Nah, not really. It's really God that's misunderstood. Really all there is is a choice between two complete and utter assholes.

Okay, but one of them is utterly cool with flames, darkness and horns.

Okay, but one of them is utterly cool with flames, darkness and horns.

Actually, being an angel... probably not :p

Okay, but one of them is utterly cool with flames, darkness and horns.
Yeah but God, as is evidenced by Xtians, Jews and Muslims, is apparently a raving schizophrenic. That means that God is a tortured anti-Hero with plenty of angst who is driven to murder by the voices in his head (and, as such, is quite possibly being played by Peter Lorre).
Satan, on the other hand, is just a dick.

Elgesh']Actually, being an angel... probably not :p

I meant god.

I meant god.

Then, being a folk tale, probably not! :D

Yeah but God, as is evidenced by Xtians, Jews and Muslims, is apparently a raving schizophrenic. That means that God is a tortured anti-Hero with plenty of angst who is driven to murder by the voices in his head (and, as such, is quite possibly being played by Peter Lorre).
Satan, on the other hand, is just a dick.
What do you know about it? Who are you anyway? Who are you? Criminals? Are you proud of yourselves? Proud of breaking safes or cheating at cards? Things you could just as well keep your fingers off. You wouldn't need to do all that if you'd learn a proper trade or if you'd work. If you weren't a bunch of lazy bastards. But I... I can't help myself! I have no control over this, this evil thing inside of me, the fire, the voices, the torment!

God's losing it again.

I know this isnt Occultism. But the number one all time most prosperous cult is Christiananity. Started as an underground religion. By definition makes it a cult.

I know this isnt Occultism. But the number one all time most prosperous cult is Christiananity. Started as an underground religion. By definition makes it a cult.

Hell by that definition so is Judism (started effectively by Abraham) and Islam (started by Mohamand). They were resisted as they developed. What is the magic (no pun intended) point where a cult because an actual religion?

Well, to each his own.

'Strue, even if it just is at the individual level and not the institutional/doctrinal level

Hell by that definition so is Judism (started effectively by Abraham) and Islam (started by Mohamand). They were resisted as they developed. What is the magic (no pun intended) point where a cult because an actual religion?

When they become accepted by the "mainstream". I guess generally when the governing body of a particular land doesnt try and put them down.

Some days ago, I started a thread about Thelema, one user (i don't remember his name) gave me this link: www.sacred-texts.com , it was of great use to me, i read a lot of those documents and it comes lots of types of occultism, including one that's called Chaos Magic, that one was the craziest stuff i've ever read, a guy posted that you must bury yourself to feel energy, and other crazy stuff, so now i make a poll about what you think on occultism.

I have differnt feelings between the Occult and cults. As a rule I really dispise cults as they are typically misleading groups led by a person with either delusions of grandur or excellant conning skills.

Now as far as the supernatural stuff, I defantly believe in it. Magic, in and of itself I won't practice, but I have no problems aiding my pagan siblings in setting up and taking down their gear or for asking them for spells to aid. I am an Empath and I have worked with both other Psi's and magic users on their mental shielding. I believe in the potentially of ghosts and spirits and other beings, but have never actually met any.

Well, then in that case the mormons ceased to be a cult once they left where anyone cared to persecute them...

Well, then in that case the mormons ceased to be a cult once they left where anyone cared to persecute them...

Yeah that is basically how the Mormons achieved "normal" status.

Well, then in that case the mormons ceased to be a cult once they left where anyone cared to persecute them...
The Mormons becoming "normal" had more to do with them toning down on the more outrageous stuff they did (like polygamy). Mainly, a group stays a cult until the original governing body and founders are dead, have accumulated a lot of people, and aren't absurdly outside the mainstream.
Xtianity, Mormons, Islam and Buddhism have done this. Scientology and the other silly religious groups that have sprung up recently (in the last couple decades) haven't, and so they are laughed at by all.

I study ocult practices... im actually a practicing out in the open pagan (no broom closet for me) (you will get that if you have a sense of humor and know any pagans) i follow a celtic belief system and find that there are some pagans or ocultists that even i cant stand or put belief in.... you know the people im talking about.. the girl who walks around saying she is the reborn queen of the elves and is more powerfull then any other magik user out there (yes magik is spelt correctly most other things wont be) or the guy swearing he is King Arthur reborn (a fake character based off an old scotish warlord) if they were all right then Arthur is walking around in about 50 diffrent people that i have met personaly... be it ocult or faith or religion just be normal about it dont take it to the extream and please dont push your "holy" book in front of my face and i dont care what you do otherwise personaly.