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Nobel Peace Prize 2005

Neu Leonstein
09-12-2005, 12:52
Keeping the World Safe from the Bomb (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,389200,00.html)
"I love Vienna," says ElBaradei in his soft voice, the voice that always sounds as if he were doing his best not to disturb anyone. And then, ever the diplomat, he hastily adds: "Next to Vienna, of course, I am very fond of Cairo, where I have my roots -- and New York, where I spent such interesting years."

ElBaradei strokes his almost completely bald head which, together with his small, roundish glasses, gives him an air of the ascetic, a hint of Gandhi. But his well-trimmed moustache, perfectly tailored conservative suit and perfect posture also suggest more than a touch of the aristocrat. He is a man who can effectively bring together contradictions -- a trait mirrored in the decision to award him this year's Nobel Peace Prize.

And an interview: "Al-Qaida also Wants the Bomb" (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,343030,00.html)
SPIEGEL: Really? Or has the game of hide-and-seek just taken on a new, more refined form? Hardly any European expert is willing to believe the claims coming out of Tehran. After all, Iran has enough oil and especially natural gas that it could do without nuclear power.

ElBaradei: There is a technical justification for everything. And I'm not saying that the rulers in Iran are not interested in acquiring nuclear weapons. If they have decided to operate a secret nuclear weapons program -- for which we, as I mentioned, have not found any evidence to date -- they are likely to have a bomb in two to three years. They certainly have the know-how and the industrial infrastructure.

SPIEGEL: The Americans and the Israelis will hardly permit that to happen. That leaves only the military option, which US President Bush has expressly declined to rule out. But is it really possible to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities with missiles? Aren't they too widely dispersed and in some cases underground?

ElBaradei: Aside from the problems you mention, I do not believe that military strikes can solve this problem. They can delay development at best. Following an attack, the Iranians would most certainly go underground to produce a weapon as quickly and deliberately as possible.

A controversial choice indeed. But who else should have got it?

What do you think of El Baradei and the IAEA getting the award...didn't he do his utmost to keep the peace?

Personally, I can't really think of another person to get it. El Baradei has had to deal with all sorts of shady characters for years (including the CIA), and he kept alive certain principles concerning war and peace.
No one else did as much this year that I can think of right now (except maybe Sharon...but for that I suppose we first need to see how this deal works out).
Neu Leonstein
10-12-2005, 00:07
Bump. Maybe the Americans will care more?
The Wimbledon Wombles
10-12-2005, 00:21
Personally, I can't really think of another person to get it. El Baradei has had to deal with all sorts of shady characters for years (including the CIA), and he kept alive certain principles concerning war and peace.
No one else did as much this year that I can think of right now (except maybe Sharon...but for that I suppose we first need to see how this deal works out).
Ahh but shouldn't we also first see how El-Baradei's deal works out? :)

Then again, the Nobel Peace Prize is not a real award, but a bribe, so perhaps he is worthy of it already.
Neu Leonstein
10-12-2005, 00:35
Ahh but shouldn't we also first see how El-Baradei's deal works out? :)
Well, I suppose we do. But Sharon's got time. Once the Palestinians have their elections, I would consider him. Although it is a bit of a cliché these days...seems like the prize almost comes with the office of Israeli PM. :p (kidding, there were only two that actually got it, and one foreign minister.)

Then again, the Nobel Peace Prize is not a real award, but a bribe, so perhaps he is worthy of it already.
Actually, I was wondering. What does a right-winger like you think of Yitzak Rabin and the guy who killed him? (By the way, are you more Likud, or more extreme religious right?)
The Wimbledon Wombles
10-12-2005, 01:04
Actually, I was wondering. What does a right-winger like you think of Yitzak Rabin and the guy who killed him?
Rabin... It's complicated. He did a lot for this country, yes, and he was quite honest and decent for a politician. His problem was one that is common among the Left wing elites, and not just in Israel- he was too detached from the people he governed, and too dependent on the approval of his fellow elitists. The panic during the Gulf war rocket attacks led him to believe that the Israeli people have lost their fighting spirit and couldn't stomach another fight, so he began listening to the Leftie "peace now, mess later" radicals and got himself into the Oslo trap. Quite unfortunate really.

The guy who killed him should have become the second person in Israel to receive death penalty. I hate the very thought that my taxes fund this scum's rather comfortable existence. Any sensible Israeli rightwinger (nutty Kahanists not included) has a greater number of reasons to hate his guts than any Leftie.


(By the way, are you more Likud, or more extreme religious right?)
I was never on the religious right. I have a big difficulty placing myself on the political map these days, but I suppose I am somewhere slightly to the right from the old Likud- or slightly to the left of the Likud as it is now after the divide.