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Michael Moore is great. Need I say more? Down with corporate America and it's evil corporations. ;)

Michael Moore is great. Need I say more? Down with corporate America and it's evil corporations. ;)
It's the left-wing version of Coulter. Either way, they are both blowing out their asses and they generally don't know what they're talking about.

Yes, those same evil corporations he owns stock in...including Halliburton.

He rules MickyD's for sure

Yes, those same evil corporations he owns stock in...including Halliburton.
Moore uses corporations to his advantage to prove a point. Corporations have no conscious (see documentary The Corporation) and by selling his books through them he proves that they don't care about anything even a possible threat to themselves.

OK, so what are the Michael Moore Rules..?

Would it be something like "look both ways before crossing Ann Coulter," or something like that?

C'mon, give already! I wanna know Moore's Rules!

:p

It's the left-wing version of Coulter. Either way, they are both blowing out their asses and they generally don't know what they're talking about.
Damn, you beat me to the best comparison I could come up with. Imagine the bastard child those two would parent... The next authoritarian dictator, for sure.

Damn, you beat me to the best comparison I could come up with. Imagine the bastard child those two would parent... The next authoritarian dictator, for sure.

Maybe they'd give birth to the one true, pure moderate...who'd become the authoritarian dictator.

Summary of this thread:

Moore rules!
No he doesn't!
Yes he does!
No he doesn't....
*rinse*
and repeat.

Much as I'd like to agree that I appreciate Michael Moore in his entirety.....have you ever seen Roger & Me? It's a pseudo-documentary from 1989 in which he skews the SHIT out of th facts in order to paint General Motors in a worse light than they deserve because of the plant closing in Flint, Michigan. He didn't look at the corporate or fiscal reasons that the plant had to be closed, he simply tried to show Roger Smith as an evil man who hates the workers he employs and cut those jobs out with intentional malice.

I really liked Michael Moore until I saw that movie. I appreciate his work for what it is, but when one's eyes are opened to one glaringly obvious error in filmmaking, it makes one doubt the absolute validity of the rest of the artist's work.

Summary of this thread:

Moore rules!
No he doesn't!
Yes he does!
No he doesn't....

and repeat.
Tsk...you forgot the rinse part! :p

Summary of this thread:

Moore rules!
No he doesn't!
Yes he does!
No he doesn't....

and repeat.
You broke the code!
:D

:: High-fives Sinuhue ::

Summary of this thread:

Moore rules!
No he doesn't!
Yes he does!
No he doesn't....

and repeat.
Excellent. Fun fun fun :D

Moore uses corporations to his advantage to prove a point. Corporations have no conscious (see documentary The Corporation) and by selling his books through them he proves that they don't care about anything even a possible threat to themselves.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Micheal would make a great salesman:p

Tsk...you forgot the rinse part! :p
No I didn't:D hehehehhee

No I didn't:D hehehehhee

Damn you horny poster:p

You are just bashing him because he's fat




And therfor can take a bashing without disturbing his daily meal

Michael Moore is retarded.

here's a quote:

"back in my hometown of Flint, Michigan, i ate McDonalds burgers for weeks. Then, i got fat and realized it was the conservatives ho made me fat."

Is a shit stirring hypocrite who simply finds reasons to take the so called "high road" and crank everyone up and profit from the skewed situation. Other than that he's a "great" guy!

You are just bashing him because he's fat




And therfor can take a bashing without disturbing his daily meal
But he's not fat anymore. He lost some weight. Not as much weight as Peter Jackson, who no longer embodies the hobbits he so loved, but it's weight loss nonetheless.

Take it from me, the supreme fatist.

Down with corporations and their coroporatey corporateness. Corporations are ruining the earth by inCORPORATEing things through their use of extreme corporateness. See corporations are greedy unlike us proud upper middle-class white socialists who fight corporate power but don't have the time to help others. Corporatey corporate corporate. Don't believe me argument? read it again and just look at the abounding facts that totally uncorporate those corporatey corporos. CORP.

Mr. Moore is a wanker that embodies most of what is wrong with your average American.

Down with corporations and their coroporatey corporateness. Corporations are ruining the earth by inCORPORATEing things through their use of extreme corporateness. See corporations are greedy unlike us proud upper middle-class white socialists who fight corporate power but don't have the time to help others. Corporatey corporate corporate. Don't believe me argument? read it again and just look at the abounding facts that totally uncorporate those corporatey corporos. CORP.
I was going to make a snarky little remark on your conspiracy theory, but my boyfriend's comment just seemed more fitting:
"Fucking Christ, my face just corpsploded."

Simonist']I was going to make a snarky little remark on your conspiracy theory, but my boyfriend's comment just seemed more fitting:
"Fucking Christ, my face just corpsploded."

I think we can attribute your corpsploding to the unethicalness of the corporate corpatadados and corpatadias. btw, did I mention that corporations are t3h evil without providing any evidence and speaking in a whiny, bitchy hypocritical tone? because if I didn't, it's corporate america suppressing my uncoproateal speech.

Simonist']I was going to make a snarky little remark on your conspiracy theory, but my boyfriend's comment just seemed more fitting:
"Fucking Christ, my face just corpsploded."
:eek: I don't know what to say to that...

It's the left-wing version of Coulter.

as far as i know, moore is rather lacking in the elimiationist rhetoric that typifies coulter's stuff. moore doesn't make a name for himself by saying, for example,

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too."

“In [Clinton’s] recurring nightmare of a presidency, we have a national debate about whether he ‘did it,’ even though all sentient people know he did. Otherwise there would be debates only about whether to impeach or assassinate.”

"I think a baseball bat is the most effective way [to talk to liberals] these days."

Well, he does help balance out the right wing pundits, so for that, at least, I give him credit.

Simonist']I was going to make a snarky little remark on your conspiracy theory, but my boyfriend's comment just seemed more fitting:
"Fucking Christ, my face just corpsploded."
But it would be copycat to make a snarky comment about stupid conspiracy theories, since that's what NG did, concerning Moore's cheesy conspiratorial bullshit. :confused:

But it would be copycat to make a snarky comment about stupid conspiracy theories, since that's what NG did, concerning Moore's cheesy conspiratorial bullshit. :confused:
Yes, one of the reasons that Jon's statement just seemed so much better off.

And I don't really consider Moore to be all that concerned with conspiracy....he's just out to make a buck on partial misinformation. That's capitalism if ever I've seen it.

i know i've posted this once... but i recommend reading this:

http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/bowlingforcolumbine/bank.htm

for this reason, i didn't watch that movie.

i know i've posted this once... but i recommend reading this:

http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/bowlingforcolumbine/bank.htm

for this reason, i didn't watch that movie.
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Simonist']And I don't really consider Moore to be all that concerned with conspiracy....he's just out to make a buck on partial misinformation. That's capitalism if ever I've seen it.
Haha! So true. Couldn't agree more. He aimed to sell a lot of tickets, and he did.
Capitalist piggie, if ever there were one. Hypocritical piggie, but a confirmed capitalist either way.

remember the thread on his stocks? :p

Mike is the exact thing many of his supporters hate: a rich white guy making money off the stupidity of the masses through twisting the truth and showmanship. I'd think Bush would be a better comparison for him. I think Ann really believes the stupid, hateful, racist, malicious, utterly insane and unjustifiable things she says.

I'm agaist mike because he's phoney, I'm against ann because she's a stupid bitch

Haha! So true. Couldn't agree more. He aimed to sell a lot of tickets, and he did.
Capitalist piggie, if ever there were one. Hypocritical piggie, but a confirmed capitalist either way.

remember the thread on his stocks? :p
Vaguely, though I abstained from that one. I think I had something burning that week or.....maybe I was washing my hair.....

Simonist']Didn't load for me.


try now.. http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/bowlingforcolumbine/bank.htm

Michael Moore is great. Need I say more? Down with corporate America and it's evil corporations. ;)

I used to think he was good, and then I actually saw Bowling for Columbine. He actually said Clinton was an instigator because he ordered an airstrike in Kosovo on the day of the attack. Plus, he alluded to strategic weapons installations in Colorado affecting the outcome. I have no earthly clue how either is affceted by the other.

Moore is a great guy.

If you have a sec to spare, you really really need to watch this:
rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e112305_moore.rm

DISCUSS!
(gets really awesome about half way through)

Moore is a great guy.

If you have a sec to spare, you really really need to watch this:
rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e112305_moore.rm

DISCUSS!
(gets really awesome about half way through)
No offense, but I found it both boring and slightly unimpressive. I remain impassive, leaning towards incredulity to the "facts" of Moore's videos.

Simonist']No offense, but I found it both boring and slightly unimpressive. I remain impassive, leaning towards incredulity to the "facts" of Moore's videos.
Ditto dat.

Much like Al Franken, people often forget that Moore is a comedian and satyrist primarily, but they treat him like he's an elected official. Strange.

Of course, we all know conservatives have no sense of humor - least of all about themselves.

That said, Canadian Bacon was awesome.

Moore uses corporations to his advantage to prove a point. Corporations have no conscious (see documentary The Corporation) and by selling his books through them he proves that they don't care about anything even a possible threat to themselves.

someone needs to remind him that without corporations, many, many, many Americans wouldn't have jobs...

Much like Al Franken, people often forget that Moore is a comedian and satyrist primarily, but they treat him like he's an elected official. Strange.

Of course, we all know conservatives have no sense of humor - least of all about themselves.

That said, Canadian Bacon was awesome.
Okay, that makes sense to me....but I'm a socially progressive liberal and I still can't stand the guy. And don't even compare him to Al Franken as if they're on the same playing field -- Franken at least has an immense history of not only using REAL facts to turn the tides against his opponents, but is also respected by the media, rather than known to be an arsehole. Franken's worked with CNN, NBC, Newsweek, The Nation....people from both sides respect him. People from both sides recognize that that everything he says, he says for more reasons than economic gain (especially economic gain, won at the expense of the "corporate victims", which are never then significantly helped, like Moore's habit). Moore isn't even taken seriously by many liberals and most moderates.

i know i've posted this once... but i recommend reading this:
for this reason, i didn't watch that movie.

And for this reason, I don't trust a word that is written on the 'Bowling for truth'-website:
http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/bowlingforcolumbine/cartoon.htm
...I think this makes the whole site look silly, though you've might have had to seen the movie to understand what I mean.

I recommend you see the movie, and then making up your mind about it afterwards. Don't trust the biased websites, whether liberal or conservative or whatever...

Moore uses corporations to his advantage to prove a point. Corporations have no conscious (see documentary The Corporation) and by selling his books through them he proves that they don't care about anything even a possible threat to themselves.
Oh, brother! Now I've heard it all! ROFLMFAO!!!!!

micheal moores films arent based on facts they are based on true events like lots of movies but then he writes his own story

He rules. Rules in getting an opinionated reaction from the people he likes to piss off. Yay!

And for this reason, I don't trust a word that is written on the 'Bowling for truth'-website:
http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/bowlingforcolumbine/cartoon.htm
...I think this makes the whole site look silly, though you've might have had to seen the movie to understand what I mean.

I recommend you see the movie, and then making up your mind about it afterwards. Don't trust the biased websites, whether liberal or conservative or whatever...
i cant believe he hasnt been shot yet, and after reading some of that i think he is even more rediculous than ever before

i cant believe he hasnt been shot yet, and after reading some of that i think he is even more rediculous than ever before
He's a ranting, powerless buffoon that's getting dangerously close to become a politician, but shooting him wouldn't accomplish anything. The people inclined to perform a bad deed and put a bullet in a comedian probably knows this.

I dislike Micheal Mooron. He has more intelligence goof-ups than the Bush administration and more bologna than a deli. At least Bush said that there was goof-ups. I haven't heard anything on the subject of apologies from the guy who made a name for himself by telling half-truths. If anyone is responsible for conservativism's popularity, it's him.

At least Bush said that there was goof-ups.

Wait a second, this is the guy that fails to acknowledge even the slightest instances of torture by United States forces, maintains that if given the decision to invade Iraq today he would do it again, and continues to maintain that 'the economy is strong' while driving up the federal deficit past a record eight trillion mark. Michael Moore isn't exactly perfect with his statistics, but he is certainly not on that level.

Wait a second, this is the guy that fails to acknowledge even the slightest instances of torture by United States forces, maintains that if given the decision to invade Iraq today he would do it again, and continues to maintain that 'the economy is strong' while driving up the federal deficit past a record eight trillion mark. Michael Moore isn't exactly perfect with his statistics, but he is certainly not on that level.

Also, it's fun to see that people almost make him more accountable than the president, and expect a comedian to have the same or better quality of information as the executive branch.

from that bowling for truth site:

"Indeed the English settlers didn't always treat the natives of America equally...[...]...although the ratio is who killed who is not equal..."

Some fine history they've got there! Mr Moore sure has some fine enemies. They even make him sound credible.

Michael Moore is great. Need I say more? Down with corporate America and it's evil corporations. ;)

Yes the same ones that he signed book and movie deals with. He is a war profiteer.

Yes Michael does Rule!!

Bowling for Columbine :)

Fahrenheit 911 :)

Keep the truth coming forward Michael!!

Yes Michael does Rule!!

Bowling for Columbine :)

Fahrenheit 911 :)

Keep the truth coming forward Michael!!
If by truth you mean "only those facts that support or were twisted to support his position", then sure, it gives us evil conservatives something to do in between stealing candy from a baby, pushing old ladies down stairs and finding ways to screw over the Black Man/Middle Easterners/Women/Gays/ect.

The only thing Michael Moore rules is his own refrigerator. And he's obviously abusing that power.

If by truth you mean "only those facts that support or were twisted to support his position", then sure, it gives us evil conservatives something to do in between stealing candy from a baby, pushing old ladies down stairs and finding ways to screw over the Black Man/Middle Easterners/Women/Gays/ect.
Stick it to um man! mean while im going to flaunt my right-wingness by resurecting reagan!

I guess it's best to turn a blind eye to incompetence, corruption, and misconduct. Otherwise someone might make fun of your weight, and being fat totally negates anything you have to say. :rolleyes:

He's fat because he's full of it. Plus, some of his documenteries are no better documenteries than the works of Edgar Allen Poe or "A Christmas Carol".

I guess it's best to turn a blind eye to incompetence, corruption, and misconduct. Otherwise someone might make fun of your weight, and being fat totally negates anything you have to say. :rolleyes:
I don't recall any prominent fat guys calling out Moore on his "documentaries" but I wouldn't put it past his supporters to fling mud ;)

I assuming you guys have actually seen the movies, or do you merely dislike Moore because he crititizes Bush, whom you highly revere? It's sad how easily hearts are won simply by spouting religious and patriotic drivel.

I assuming you guys have actually seen the movies, or do you merely dislike Moore because he crititizes Bush, whom you highly revere? It's sad how easily hearts are won simply by spouting religious and patriotic drivel.
I assume you have actually seen/read the numerous articles disproving/debunking his movies, or do you merely agree with Moore because he criticizes Bush, whom you highly dispise? It's sad how easily hearts are won simply by spouthing political and hate filled drivel.

It's pretty weak when you have to resort to calling Moore "Fat" to try and prove your point.

Wait a second, this is the guy that fails to acknowledge even the slightest instances of torture by United States forces, maintains that if given the decision to invade Iraq today he would do it again, and continues to maintain that 'the economy is strong' while driving up the federal deficit past a record eight trillion mark. Michael Moore isn't exactly perfect with his statistics, but he is certainly not on that level.

The economy is quite strong. Pretty much all of the data suggests it, and the budget deficit is by no means a measure of economic strength. That doesn't mean we should run up debt like we are, but it has nothing to do with the economy.

Propoganda and politics are not what makes great documentaries. They are supposed to be about the truth, no matter how liberal or conservative it may be, not smear campaigns. Moore's movies are pretty much great works of fiction once you get over the Bush-bashing. I couldn't care less if the movies were about bad Bush and evil corporations or about how Bush is god and the dollar is king.

Michael Moore once told me to kiss his ass. I told him that it would take too damned long to acre that sucka off. :D

I assume you have actually seen/read the numerous articles disproving/debunking his movies, or do you merely agree with Moore because he criticizes Bush, whom you highly dispise? It's sad how easily hearts are won simply by spouthing political and hate filled drivel.
Hmm.. Have you read any of the counters?

Anyway, there's no doubt that Moore misrepresents the facts. It's quite hard to debunk the guy though, as the facts he distorts usually are accurate.

He'd be perfectly able to paint an equally horrifying picture of the shrub if he just delivered facts without all the spin though, so I can't imagine why he does it.

Edit: So far, I've only caught the guy in 3 outright lies & one complete fabrication (but that was based on a fact, so..), all of them years apart. Comparing him to other US talkingheads, his trackrecord is pretty fucking good.

He has the freedom to do whatever he wants, but he's still fat.

I assuming you guys have actually seen the movies, or do you merely dislike Moore because he crititizes Bush, whom you highly revere? It's sad how easily hearts are won simply by spouting religious and patriotic drivel.

I've seen people like Michael Moore before. I'm prepared to believe he hates war; who among us does not?
But he has the attitude, set in concrete, that virtue is measured by one's dissaffection from the power structure under which one lives. Such a person builds a fortress of self-serving piety, resisting authority of any kind at every turn whether for good or ill.
The US Armed Forces will continue to defend to the death the freedoms that make this possible.
-Adapted from the log of Captain Henry J. Gloval

It's the left-wing version of Coulter. Either way, they are both blowing out their asses and they generally don't know what they're talking about.

I'm so sick of hearing this. Just because Michael Moore is a liberal and Anne Coulter calls herself a conservative it does not make them equivalents.

Michael Moore does not call for Canada to invade us and force us to enact national healthcare, which would be the equivalent of calling for the US to invade all the countries of the Middle East and forcibly convert their populations to Christianity as Anne Coulter did.

Michael Moore does not call for the government to outlaw all religion as the only reasonable interpretation of "Freedom of Religion," which would be the closest one could come a corrosponding opposing view to Anne Coulter's view that the states should all be free to declare a State religion and impose it on the population because the first amendment says that Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

Moore is biased and presents his own view of things to the exclusion of others, but he doesn't make shit up the way FOX news does, and he's not batshit insane the way Anne Coulter is.

Michael Moore is not the Liberal version of Anne Coulter.

There is no liberal version of Anne Coulter.

The closest one could come to a liberal version of Anne Coulter, if one had all of history available to pick from, would be Chairman Mao, except without the seat in politics. Anne Coulter has her website and a syndicated 5th column, Mao had the Little Red Book. Chairman Mao drove millions of people to fits of violent murderous frenzy, Anne Coulter wants to, but has only succeeded in provoking some mildly physical humor at her expense.

The conservative equivalent of Michael Moore is that "Gimme a Break" guy from 20/20. His view is slanted, and he leaves inconvienient stuff out when it makes his case look weaker and he can't think of an easy way to counter it, but he doesn't usually make up sheer bald-faced lies the way Anne Coulter and the entire FOX News team do.

Maybe...just maybe...people should actually go and research stuff for themselves then get their infomation from people like Michael Moore or Anne Coulter.

Michael Moore is not the Liberal version of Anne Coulter.

There is no liberal version of Anne Coulter.

hell, it's hard to find anyone (openly) advocating the equivalent of the eliminationist fascist bullshit she does, even on the stalinist fringes of the left. certainly not anyone who has any sort of mass audience.

Hmm.. Have you read any of the counters?

Anyway, there's no doubt that more misrepresents the facts. It's quite hard to debunk the guy though, as the facts he distorts usually are accurate.

He'd be perfectly able to paint an equally horrifying picture of the shrub if he just delivered facts without all the spin though, so I can't imagine why he does it.

I'd like to see the Shrub deliver a fact period.

Not only does he state opinions that are so completly baseless that they come as close as humanly possible to factual lies without actually containing any facts, but when he does state facts they almost always prove to be lies.

He'll say statements that could have been mistruths if he got them as his speech writers wrote them. e.g. To say that homeownership is at record levels might be accurate. There are more people in this country than ever before, so there will be more houses owned by people. But to say that homeownership rates are at record levels is untrue because it requires that you know how many people are owning, renting, and what their percentage rates of the population as a whole are. If you don't know that it isn't true, it's still a lie to say that it is.

Michael Moore and 'The Factor' should be locked in a room togethar. Who ever surirvies should be shot. :sniper:
I win.:D

Edit: So far, I've only caught the guy in 3 outright lies & one complete fabrication (but that was based on a fact, so..), all of them years apart. Comparing him to other US talkingheads, his trackrecord is pretty fucking good.
I wish i know where I put that Time magazine that had an article about his newest movie. I want to find it for the sole purpose of showing you 5 facts that Time found wrong with that movie alone.