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Love that Iranian President - he evidently likes to deny the Holocaust in public.
He also likes to blame Europe - makes you think he really doesn't like them either.

Still, it's his right to develop and use nuclear weapons, right? :rolleyes:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2005-12-08T171212Z_01_RID850121_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-IRAN-AHMADINEJAD.xml&rpc=22

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

His comments, reported by Iran's official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map", which sparked widespread international condemnation.

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said.

"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

Love that Iranian President - he evidently likes to deny the Holocaust in public.
He also likes to blame Europe - makes you think he really doesn't like them either.

Still, it's his right to develop and use nuclear weapons, right? :rolleyes:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2005-12-08T171212Z_01_RID850121_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-IRAN-AHMADINEJAD.xml&rpc=22
He's a total loon, that much is sure. Seems to be the trend these days, what with the current ruler of Venezuela, that douchebag in North Korea, and assorted others here and there. SIGH! :(

Love that Iranian President - he evidently likes to deny the Holocaust in public.

Nothing wrong with that. It's not outlawed in his country like it is in others.


He also likes to blame Europe - makes you think he really doesn't like them either.

Well yeah, if you look at history, Europe started two world wars including said holocaust... maybe they are not exactly innocent?


Still, it's his right to develop and use nuclear weapons, right? :rolleyes:

I believe so. No putting the genie back in the bottle anyway.

Why are the WRONG wackos always given power? :(

Why are the WRONG wackos always given power? :(

Anyone capable of being elected into power should, under no circumstances be allowed to wield it.

The explanation for the world in a nutshell...

Nothing wrong with that. It's not outlawed in his country like it is in others.
It's an indication of madness or sheer idiocy to deny the Holocaust - it's not against the law to deny it in the US, but we know it's idiocy.

This guy is morally repugnant. Every time he says something this obscene, he should be called on it.

So is Bush. Every time he opens his mouth, he says something obscene and idiotic, and people should call him on it.

What does this have to do with nuclear weaponry?

Nothing.

Besides, Israel has proven time and again that they are more than capable of handing this guy his ass on a platter.

It's an indication of madness or sheer idiocy to deny the Holocaust - it's not against the law to deny it in the US, but we know it's idiocy.

Well, I think its a matter of interpretation. At least, the 'authorities' have not always proven 100% accurate. For example the mysteriously changing death count on the sign at Auschwitz. I agree that denying it all completely is probably idiotic, but then we can all point to idiotic things politicians have said.

Besides, Israel has proven time and again that they are more than capable of handing this guy his ass on a platter.

Wee-eel... Israel hasn't ever had the chance to go head-to-head directly with Iran, have they? And not with a nuclear power either... Hope it doesn't ever happen, or there will be tears and blood on both sides. Large amounts, too.

The world would be a dreadfully dull place if not for lunatic whackos like him and others...

Well, I think its a matter of interpretation. At least, the 'authorities' have not always proven 100% accurate. For example the mysteriously changing death count on the sign at Auschwitz. I agree that denying it all completely is probably idiotic, but then we can all point to idiotic things politicians have said.
I've been to Auschwitz and Dachau, seen the German records (they kept meticulous paperwork), and met many of the survivors.

Not really open to interpretation.

I've been to Auschwitz and Dachau, seen the German records (they kept meticulous paperwork), and met many of the survivors.

Not really open to interpretation.

Okay, so just how is it they had X million a few decades ago on the sign... and then later changed it by a few less million? Seems like it IS up to interpretation, or maybe the Auschwitz memorial sign is just less than... meticulous.

I've been to Auschwitz and Dachau, seen the German records (they kept meticulous paperwork), and met many of the survivors.

Not really open to interpretation.
I've always wondered why the most manical leaders keep records, especially such meticukous ones as the Nazi regime did. It just seems like they're leaving a paper trail...

Kinda hard for that guy to deny it happened when there's hours of footage from the concentration camps. I don't think I need to go into detail though.....

Okay, so just how is it they had X million a few decades ago on the sign... and then later changed it by a few less million? Seems like it IS up to interpretation, or maybe the Auschwitz memorial sign is just less than... meticulous.
They probably did a very thorough check. They first sign may have been more of an estimate and the latter based on research and analysis.

He's a total loon, that much is sure. Seems to be the trend these days, what with the current ruler of Argentina, that douchebag in North Korea, and assorted others here and there. SIGH! :(
Kirchner? Why is he a loon...I haven't heard anything about him...?

Kirchner? Why is he a loon...I haven't heard anything about him...?
WHy, he's a lefty, haven't you heard? He's up there with Hugo Chavez... for the crime of being, well, you know, a left-winger. :p

I don't want any of you crazy bastards having nukes, but you do anyway. Who are you to say what other nutjobs are not allowed to joing your nutty-nutjob club? NO ONE should have nukes.

Okay, so just how is it they had X million a few decades ago on the sign... and then later changed it by a few less million? Seems like it IS up to interpretation, or maybe the Auschwitz memorial sign is just less than... meticulous.

The researchers are less than meticulous. The people who were dealing out death kept meticulous records.

Train schedules. Expected rates of death due to direct delivery to the gas, working them to death, or disease. Actual rates of death. Counts of articles of clothing taken from the dead - a count of children's shoes, listed by size and type.

I don't want any of you crazy bastards having nukes, but you do anyway. Who are you to say what other nutjobs are not allowed to joing your nutty-nutjob club? NO ONE should have nukes.

People like being nutjobs.

I've always wondered why the most manical leaders keep records, especially such meticukous ones as the Nazi regime did. It just seems like they're leaving a paper trail...

Because the people and the state doing the killing of its citizens needed to convince themselves they were executing jews, not murdering them. A paper trail, proper records, make it all 'official', legal. Obviously wrong, but it was to help them sleep at night.

Kinda hard for that guy to deny it happened when there's hours of footage from the concentration camps. I don't think I need to go into detail though.....
Okay okay...so a holocaust denier shan't be granted the right to have nuclear arms. If he recants, will you relent?

I don't want any of you crazy bastards having nukes, but you do anyway. Who are you to say what other nutjobs are not allowed to joing your nutty-nutjob club? NO ONE should have nukes.
Tell that to Britain, Israel and the good ol' US of A.

WHy, he's a lefty, haven't you heard? He's up there with Hugo Chavez... for the crime of being, well, you know, a left-winger. :p
Seriously...why the hell bring up Kirchner? Who isn't the 'ruler of Argentina' by the way...that would suggest they had a monarchy Eut. What gives?

They probably did a very thorough check. They first sign may have been more of an estimate and the latter based on research and analysis.

Exactly. Except I think IIRC they changed it more than once. At any rate, the illegalization of 'denial' or 'revisionism', and in other countries the strong taboos against it, make research or analysis of the facts difficult. And for someone like the Iranian President, who I am sure has not talked with holocaust survivors, let alone believes Western media on the issue, its understandable if he happens to not believe it happened.

Okay okay...so a holocaust denier shan't be granted the right to have nuclear arms. If he recants, will you relent?
Well, there's also that bit about "wiping Israel off the map".

Seems he wants to do someone with nukes. Really, really badly.

If you heard Bush get on TV and say, "Well, I've decided that I want to wipe Iraq off the map in order to solve the problem there" would you be frightened at the combination of nuclear weapons and an intent to use them out of hand?

Elgesh']Because the people and the state doing the killing of its citizens needed to convince themselves they were executing jews, not murdering them. A paper trail, proper records, make it all 'official', legal. Obviously wrong, but it was to help them sleep at night.
Oh, excuse me, my bad; I didn't realise that it was a way to justify mass murderings. Too bad they didn't think like a cult and find a prominant Jew, promise him a bunch of crap and let him teach his followers a bunch of crap and thus, force them to commit a cult-style suicide. Less paper work...:D

NOTE: I'm being extremely stupid here. I know it was a dumb thing to say, but I couldn't help myself. BTW, my boyfriend is Jewish and never gets offended with the filth I spew.

People like being nutjobs.
They like blowjobs better.

But really...who has the 'authority' to say who should, and who shouldn't have nukes? If you say the UN, my whole perception of you will crumble.

Kirchner? Why is he a loon...I haven't heard anything about him...?
I meant Venezeula. Sorry. Heh!

Okay okay...so a holocaust denier shan't be granted the right to have nuclear arms. If he recants, will you relent?

Um...the title of the news article the author of the thread posted has to do with Holocaust denial, not nuclear weapons. I believe that is another discussion altogether.

Um...the title of the news article the author of the thread posted has to do with Holocasut denial, not nuclear weapons. I believe that is another discussion altogether.
Like it was said in another thread, this is NS General...:p :fluffle:

Well, there's also that bit about "wiping Israel off the map".

Seems he wants to do someone with nukes. Really, really badly.

If you heard Bush get on TV and say, "Well, I've decided that I want to wipe Iraq off the map in order to solve the problem there" would you be frightened at the combination of nuclear weapons and an intent to use them out of hand?
I already AM frightened by the combination of nuclear weapons and crazy annihilation dreams...no doubt Bush would nuke whomever he pleased if he thought he could get away with it...India and Pakistan having nukes scares me, Russian nukes gone missing scares me, frankly, another idiot with nukes can't rachet up the terror level much more.

I already AM frightened by the combination of nuclear weapons and crazy annihilation dreams...no doubt Bush would nuke whomever he pleased if he thought he could get away with it...India and Pakistan having nukes scares me, Russian nukes gone missing scares me, frankly, another idiot with nukes can't rachet up the terror level much more.

Oh, I think this straw will be the one that breaks the camel's back, so to speak...

Tell that to Britain, Israel and the good ol' US of A.
I just did. Via their citizens.

WHy, he's a lefty, haven't you heard? He's up there with Hugo Chavez... for the crime of being, well, you know, a left-winger. :p
:p

I meant Venezeula. Sorry. Heh!
Ah.

I just did. Via their citizens.
Well, there are the reasonable ones...

Then there are those who know the least and talk the loudest, who also happen to be in power and cater to people that share the same steadfast and heavily misguided beliefs. I doubt they were listening... ;)

Um...the title of the news article the author of the thread posted has to do with Holocaust denial, not nuclear weapons. I believe that is another discussion altogether.
Sorry...did you not read the title of this thread, the OP, or any of the posts?

Love that Iranian President - he evidently likes to deny the Holocaust in public.
He also likes to blame Europe - makes you think he really doesn't like them either.

Still, it's his right to develop and use nuclear weapons, right? Because if Deep Kimchi really didn't mean this to focus on Iran developing nuclear weapons, I surely apologise for 'hijacking' the thread entitled, "What a Nice Guy! Let Him Have Nukes!"

Because if Deep Kimchi really didn't mean this to focus on Iran developing nuclear weapons, I surely apologise for 'hijacking' the thread entitled, "What a Nice Guy! Let Him Have Nukes!"
Uh... I'm suddenly very confused.

Sinuhue is right on topic.

Sinuhue is right on topic.

They like blowjobs better.

I agree. :D

Sorry...did you not read the title of this thread, the OP, or any of the posts?

Because if Deep Kimchi really didn't mean this to focus on Iran developing nuclear weapons, I surely apologise for 'hijacking' the thread entitled, "What a Nice Guy! Let Him Have Nukes!"

Ok....tell me how Holocaust denial ties in to nuclear weapons.

If Kim Jong said the Holocaust was a terrible thing blah blah blah, would you say it's alright for him to have nukes? If this discussion IS about posessing nukes, then throwing Holocaust denial in the mix is pointless. A dipshit leader is a dipshit leader either way.

Meh. Trying to stop him getting nukes is pointless. They have nuclear power stations, and the science behind how to build one is in many text books.

As much as you hate it you aint gonna stop it.

Uh... I'm suddenly very confused.
Man, so was I! I actually thought I was in the wrong thread...it felt like I'd walked into a bathroom, then suddenly thought it was the men's bathroom, then realised it actually wasn't. Weird.

Ok....tell me how Holocaust denial ties in to nuclear weapons. I haven't the slightest. Apparently holocaust deniers are unstable enough to not be entrusted with nukes? I don't know...ask Deep Kimchi.

I already AM frightened by the combination of nuclear weapons and crazy annihilation dreams...no doubt Bush would nuke whomever he pleased if he thought he could get away with it...India and Pakistan having nukes scares me, Russian nukes gone missing scares me, frankly, another idiot with nukes can't rachet up the terror level much more.
Perhaps the Iranians think they're less likely to have a problem with fallout from nuking Israel than the Indians or the Pakistanis think they're going to get by nuking the country next door?

Perhaps the Iranians think they're less likely to have a problem with fallout from nuking Israel than the Indians or the Pakistanis think they're going to get by nuking the country next door?
I doubt it. Because India and Pakistan both know if they nuke the other they will be nuked in return. Oh....oh...I KNOW! Let's give EVERYONE nukes and let them cancel each other out!:eek:

I doubt it. Because India and Pakistan both know if they nuke the other they will be nuked in return. Oh....oh...I KNOW! Let's give EVERYONE nukes and let them cancel each other out!:eek:
It's more viable than insisting that nobody has any nukes, unfortunately.

It's more viable than insisting that nobody has any nukes, unfortunately.
Yeah, I know. Kind of sad...because you need to have the force to enforce a total ban on nukes...and anyone who manages to develop them anyway pwns the rest of the world. Sigh. Humans are weird.

Yeah, I know. Kind of sad...because you need to have the force to enforce a total ban on nukes...and anyone who manages to develop them anyway pwns the rest of the world. Sigh. Humans are weird.
It's a big part of what makes them human.

It's a big part of what makes them human.
Them. I like that!

Yes, yes. Ahmadinejad's comments are always good conversation starters, but if you knew what Iranian politics is all about (as I suspect you all do), you shouldn't take them at face value.

The sad/happy fact is that power in Iran is not held by the president and his government, but by the spiritual leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. It's true that this conservative leader helped the über-conservative Ahmadinejad win the elections and to power. He did that in order to defeat the reformers and not to give up his power to any new political leader.

Ahmy, as I like to call him, now spouts these sound bytes (wipe Israel off the map, Holocaust-schmolocaust) because
1) He is diplomatically even more inexperience that Bush Jr.
2) Wants to turn back the tide of eight years of reform politics on the part of his moderate and popular predecessor Mohammed Khatami. To mark that there is a new guy around, if you want... 'Spirit of the revolution!'

Long story short: He has an irreconcilable tone, but he is pretty much a pussy. Take this for example: Hashemi Rafsanjani (Raffy), former president and Ahmadinejad's main rival for the presidency. He was a pragmatic man who cut many deals with the USA... you'd think Ahmy would have tossed him aside. Wrong. As soon as the elections were over KHAMENEI appointed him as the head the Expediency Council (has the task of settling conflicts between the different governmental and legislative institutions, in case you didn't know). In this position Raffy often has more power than the feared president Ahmy.

All this barking is primarily an attempt to make his mark with public opinion in his own country; the economy is struggling and it's the president who is getting the blame for that, so strong rhetoric is in order. Green as he is, his staff has to limit the damage around the globe. The funny thing is that after the Iranian embassies all over the world had to excuse for his 'wipe Israel..' speech, the president himself stuck to his original wording.
I see a great future for him.

^ my professional view.

My personal view: a douche of the 1st degree.

EDIT: Oops! I totally forgot the tangent; that should tell you something about his position in the nuke launching order. :D

bump...
Just for the hell of it... I'm wrong?
(and yes, my longest post here...ever! so I need at least one response)