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I need music...opinions wanted!

Delator
08-12-2005, 10:05
I plan to go buy a CD on Saturday...after a summer of excessive purchases, I have gone since August without buying any.

(Yes...I am one of those rare people who don't download music, and insist on buying it in these things we call "stores" :p )

Anyways, I've been racking my brain trying to decide what to get, but my options have left me indecisive at best...

...so I pose the question to all of NS General, which of the following should I get?

---

Tool - Undertow :: The only Tool CD that I do not own...

Arch Enemy :: Been into them ever since I saw them at Ozzfest. I picked up Wages of Sin several months ago, and I dig it. Definetly interested in more.

Smashing Pumpkins :: As much as I enjoy their music, I do not own a single Pumpkins CD...perhaps I should pick one up...

Blind Guardian :: I already own Nightfall in Middle Earth, and their double-disc live CD...I love what I'm hearing and I want more!

Shadows Fall :: Another band I saw at Ozzfest, and I keep telling myself I'll pick up one of their CDs...

A Perfect Circle - Thirteenth Step :: I already own Mer de Noms and Emotive...perhaps I should pick this up as well.

In Flames - Their new live DVD just came out...perhaps that's what I should get.

---

What do you think?
Monkeypimp
08-12-2005, 10:07
Get something by the pumpkins. You may as well get rotton apples if you're not planning on getting another one, but if you're not big on best ofs, someone might be able to suggest which one is best..
Dark Shadowy Nexus
08-12-2005, 10:07
None of the above. Try something new. I'd recommend Moya Brennans latest CD Two Horizons.
BackwoodsSquatches
08-12-2005, 10:59
If you must buy a Smashing Pumpkins album, get Gish.
The rest is pretty much Billy Corrigan being a pretentious asswipe.
Potaria
08-12-2005, 11:02
How about some Husker Du?
Hullepupp
08-12-2005, 11:03
Blind Guardian
I would suggest "Nightfall in Middle-Earth" or "Somewhere far beyond"
Harlesburg
08-12-2005, 11:15
I voted Smashing Pumpkins.

I too go on massive CD spurges and then don't buy any for ages, even when it is things i really really want.

My Last to Were the latest Weezer Album 'Make Believe' and NIN latest one.
Ancient Valyria
08-12-2005, 11:18
Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion
and every Blind Guardian cd you don't own yet ;)
Lovely Boys
08-12-2005, 11:19
*pukes*

Dear god, please, GOOD music please; Rammstein etc. Why not invest into some good Free Jazz.

Geeze, I swear some peoples music repotoi is so small.
BackwoodsSquatches
08-12-2005, 11:28
I havent seen one album on this thread that I would pay money for.
Harlesburg
08-12-2005, 11:28
Get something by the pumpkins. You may as well get rotton apples if you're not planning on getting another one, but if you're not big on best ofs, someone might be able to suggest which one is best..
Siamese Dream?
Heron-Marked Warriors
08-12-2005, 11:32
*pukes*

Dear god, please, GOOD music please; Rammstein etc. Why not invest into some good Free Jazz.

Geeze, I swear some peoples music repotoi is so small.

Umm, are you saying Rammstein are good or bad?
Hullepupp
08-12-2005, 11:32
her is one :

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00000896M.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Mariehamn
08-12-2005, 11:51
Try some good old Simon and Garfunkle if you want something, GOOD.
Or, pick up some classic music for about 2.00 a pop, since your poor. :p
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 12:02
I'm with you on going to those "store" places. So retro! And sitting in a cafe to unwrap new CDs is so much more fun than sitting at the computer for the umpteenth hour with nothing tactile or visual to show for it.

There's loads of stuff to choose from. It depends on how broad your tastes run. If your tastes are broad enough you can find yourself enjoying more music than there are hours in the day. Some people stay pretty much in one groove -- electronica, rap, classic rock, blues, prog rock, whatever their thing is. Other people include some or all of that and more in their range of listening. So without knowing your taste range it's hard to answer your question.

I'd just say, treat yourself! Get yourself something new. Try Radiohead: Hail to the Thief or their last EP, Com Lag. Or, try something by Muse (the lead singer has an amazing voice). Or get something a little different and go for a head-ride with the Sigur Ros album "()" (it's in a plain white box cover with the parentheses cut out of it). Or get some Bjork: you may find it wild and woolly but it'll knock off the rust.

If you want to listen to something really different try something often called "fusion". It's a big family of music and includes some of the best stuff I've ever heard in any genre. Almost by definition you'll find yourself listening to some of the real virtuosos of their instruments (including people like Miles Davis in the later part of his career). If your interested, hunt down some Bill Bruford or Allan Holdsworth (who may be the most gifted guitarist to be ignored by non-guitarists, although rumour has it Hendrix wanted to record with him and most real musicians know who he is). And yes, if you haven't listened to Hendrix, you really should try him. He's still the business.

I guess that doesn't help you choose between the people on your list. But the musical world is big place!

:D
Scotsnations
08-12-2005, 12:11
Go to http://www.pandora.com it asks you for bands/songs you like and matches the beat, rythm, instrumentals etc in a database and plays you music it thinks you will like
BackwoodsSquatches
08-12-2005, 12:21
Go to http://www.pandora.com it asks you for bands/songs you like and matches the beat, rythm, instrumentals etc in a database and plays you music it thinks you will like


hey, this is kida cool.

Its playing "Blood of the Sun" by Mountain.
Imperial Forces
08-12-2005, 12:28
I plan to go buy a CD on Saturday...after a summer of excessive purchases, I have gone since August without buying any.

(Yes...I am one of those rare people who don't download music, and insist on buying it in these things we call "stores" :p )

Anyways, I've been racking my brain trying to decide what to get, but my options have left me indecisive at best...

...so I pose the question to all of NS General, which of the following should I get?

---

Tool - Undertow :: The only Tool CD that I do not own...

Arch Enemy :: Been into them ever since I saw them at Ozzfest. I picked up Wages of Sin several months ago, and I dig it. Definetly interested in more.

Smashing Pumpkins :: As much as I enjoy their music, I do not own a single Pumpkins CD...perhaps I should pick one up...

Blind Guardian :: I already own Nightfall in Middle Earth, and their double-disc live CD...I love what I'm hearing and I want more!

Shadows Fall :: Another band I saw at Ozzfest, and I keep telling myself I'll pick up one of their CDs...

A Perfect Circle - Thirteenth Step :: I already own Mer de Noms and Emotive...perhaps I should pick this up as well.

In Flames - Their new live DVD just came out...perhaps that's what I should get.

---

What do you think?

Out of the those bands, I'd say Blind Guardian: Somewhere Far Beyond(their best album, imo). Arch Enemy's first two albums are good too but I'm not a big fan of them...

If you like Blind Guardian, I must recommend Savage Circus: Dreamland Manor.
Ancient Valyria
08-12-2005, 12:29
paraphrased:
hey guys, help me decide which album to buy from this list:
[insert list of albums here]
*pukes*
CRAP CRAP CRAP! WHY DO YOU LISTEN TO CRAP? WHY NOT LISTEN TO GOOD MUSIC, OF WHICH I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD OR NOT AND WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO LIKE! LISTEN TO THIS:
[insert list of crap]
OH, AND I CAN'T SPELL "repertoire" :sniper:

:rolleyes:
BackwoodsSquatches
08-12-2005, 12:32
Go to http://www.pandora.com it asks you for bands/songs you like and matches the beat, rythm, instrumentals etc in a database and plays you music it thinks you will like


Dude this thing rules.

I suggested Black Sabbath to it, and these are the songs it has played for me.

"Blood of the Sun", by Mountain.
"Lady Whiskey", by Wishbone Ash.
"Parchment Farm", by Blue Cheer.

This thing has good taste!
Heron-Marked Warriors
08-12-2005, 12:34
paraphrased:


:rolleyes:
LOL
Man, you're on a roll today!:)
Jello Biafra
08-12-2005, 12:50
Get something by the pumpkins. You may as well get rotton apples if you're not planning on getting another one, but if you're not big on best ofs, someone might be able to suggest which one is best..Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness would be the one I'd recommend. It's a double album, so it would have more bang for your buck. It's also their best.

(I'd say that Siamese Dream is their best single disc, but the two discs of Mellon Collie... together make it better.)

I'm with you on going to those "store" places. So retro! And sitting in a cafe to unwrap new CDs is so much more fun than sitting at the computer for the umpteenth hour with nothing tactile or visual to show for it. Agreed here, too.
Mariehamn
08-12-2005, 12:51
I'm with you on going to those "store" places. So retro! And sitting in a cafe to unwrap new CDs is so much more fun than sitting at the computer for the umpteenth hour with nothing tactile or visual to show for it.
"Retro?" You don't know what "retro" is.

Tapes and eight tracks, baby. You couldn't download those things. We didn't even have those fancy French cafes* then. Or steros in cars, seatbelts, power windows, et cetera.

:p

*missing little mark thing above "e"
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 12:56
Dude this thing rules.

I suggested Black Sabbath to it, and these are the songs it has played for me.

"Blood of the Sun", by Mountain.
"Lady Whiskey", by Wishbone Ash.
"Parchment Farm", by Blue Cheer.

This thing has good taste!

It's got Blue Cheer! Wow! One of the best gigs I ever went to! I'll have to see what else it's got.

Seriously this is a great site. Big thanks to Scotsnations.
I V Stalin
08-12-2005, 13:00
Without bothering to read the first post, I voted Tool. However, Undertow isn't great, so don't bother. A Perfect Circle are amazing (have you seen the video for 'Counting Bodies Like Sheep...'? :D ), but Thirteenth Step is fairly poor, compared to Mer de Noms and EmotivE. Save your money for something else.
I'd say Smashing Pumpkins, definitely. Either Mellon Collie..., or Siamese Dream. Siamese Dream is definitely their best, and is probably the one to get as your first CD. Then get Mellon Collie...
Personal recommendation would be VNV Nation's Praise The Fallen, a fucking awesome slice of industrial/hardtrancey fun, with some of the bleakest lyrics this side of anywhere.
To whoever recommended Sigur Ros (I can't be arsed to find the little dash over the 'o'), I personally think the new album, Takk..., is better than (). Apparently Von (their debut) is their best, but I've not heard it. Because the only time I saw it in a shop it cost £17.
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 13:20
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness would be the one I'd recommend. It's a double album, so it would have more bang for your buck. It's also their best.

(I'd say that Siamese Dream is their best single disc, but the two discs of Mellon Collie... together make it better.)


I'd say Smashing Pumpkins, definitely. Either Mellon Collie..., or Siamese Dream. Siamese Dream is definitely their best, and is probably the one to get as your first CD. Then get Mellon Collie...

^ I agree to get the Smashing Pumpkins, but which album is the "best" is subjective. I personally think that although these two albums have a different "feel", they are more or less equal in musical quality. These two are easily their best work. As Monkeypimp said, their greatest hits might be a good starting point, too.

Maybe, considering the other bands you listed, you might like the darker feel on some of the tracks of Mellon Collie (eg. Bodies, X.Y.U...)

Undertow by Tool is a decent album IMO, but those two are far better.
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 13:20
"Retro?" You don't know what "retro" is.

Tapes and eight tracks, baby. You couldn't download those things. We didn't even have those fancy French cafes* then. Or steros in cars, seatbelts, power windows, et cetera.

:p

*missing little mark thing above "e"

Mariehamn, I was using "retro" a little ironically.

To be serious, I was once of those guys that put a cassette machine in his car when they first came out. Couldn't even get store-bought car stereos at first; there was no such thing. I jerry-rigged my own in my first car from Sony home cassette player and a home-made stereo speaker system. This was like 1968-9. I even had a kind of "sub-woofer" in my trunk (along with the pre-amp and a DC-to-AC power converter), achieved by getting my hands on an 18" bass speaker and mounting it on baffles to the trunk lid. That sucker could make the whole car vibrate. It was a nasty job wiring up the car and getting it right but once I did, it was magnificent!

Eventually they started doing real car stereo installations. But not as good as mine for a long time.

I hated 8-tracks because they cut into the middle of songs to change over. I've always listened to stuff that didn't break up into little 2 or 3 minute bits. I was into Cream and Hendrix and people like that. An 8-track would have driven me to suicide.

If you didn't have stereo in your car it's because you didn't "waste" enough time learning to build your own.


As for cafes, I lived in places like the Village, so we had cafes. And live entertainment to go with it. I heard people like Dylan, Dave Van Ronk, Dr John -- you name them, they did cafes -- or "coffee houses" as we called them sometimes. Cafe Wha? was an outstanding place to hang.

Now you want to talk real retro, my friend had (briefly) a car turntable, but the tonearm spring had to be so strong it ate his records. He got rid of it when it cost him more money to keep replacing records than it was worth. When cassette machines came along he copied my setup.

But I'd still rather listen to vinyl on a decent turntable. Analogue sound taken straight from a performance makes me feel closer to the musicians' creative processes.
Delator
08-12-2005, 13:42
paraphrased:

:rolleyes:

Thank you! You saved me the effort. :)

...There's loads of stuff to choose from. It depends on how broad your tastes run. If your tastes are broad enough you can find yourself enjoying more music than there are hours in the day. Some people stay pretty much in one groove -- electronica, rap, classic rock, blues, prog rock, whatever their thing is. Other people include some or all of that and more in their range of listening. So without knowing your taste range it's hard to answer your question.

I'd just say, treat yourself! Get yourself something new. Try Radiohead: Hail to the Thief or their last EP, Com Lag. Or, try something by Muse (the lead singer has an amazing voice). Or get something a little different and go for a head-ride with the Sigur Ros album "()" (it's in a plain white box cover with the parentheses cut out of it). Or get some Bjork: you may find it wild and woolly but it'll knock off the rust.

If you want to listen to something really different try something often called "fusion". It's a big family of music and includes some of the best stuff I've ever heard in any genre. Almost by definition you'll find yourself listening to some of the real virtuosos of their instruments (including people like Miles Davis in the later part of his career). If your interested, hunt down some Bill Bruford or Allan Holdsworth (who may be the most gifted guitarist to be ignored by non-guitarists, although rumour has it Hendrix wanted to record with him and most real musicians know who he is). And yes, if you haven't listened to Hendrix, you really should try him. He's still the business...

Well, my musical tastes are quite varied...metal, of course, being my style of choice, but jazz, classic rock, reggae, some techno, and of course classical are all styles that I also enjoy.

The main thing here, however, is that I am purchasing a CD. If I'm spending my hard-earned money, I want to be sure that it isn't garbage that I won't like...I've made that mistake in the past (Disturbed, Kittie)

Generally I borrow classical and jazz from my dad, who has a far more extensive collection, on vinyl and cd, than I could hope to amass.

For reggae and techno, I visit my friend...he downloads lots of that stuff, and it let's me find stuff that I like.

But if I'm buying, it's not likely to be some adventerous exploration of some new band or style...I'm just a tight-fisted loser sometimes. :p
Inforcun
08-12-2005, 13:44
id agree with radiohead - hail to the theif

but your going to burn in hell if you dont buy pablo honey, the bends, OK computer, Kid-A (best album ever), amnesiac, and com lag is pretty good (pretty fucking awesomely good!), while your at it get the drill ep the how am i driving/airbag ep the my iron lung ep and every other CD or absolutely anything for that matter radiohead has EVER released, infact, you should even download the on a friday demos, despite your not downloading things. failing that GET SOME BELLE AND SEBASTIAN! if your not going to cleanse your soul with some radiohead, please for the love of god get some belle and sebastian.
and failing all that you seem to be into pretty heavy music, if you havent listened already get some dillinger escape plan, they rock! (i voted for the pumpkins)
Delator
08-12-2005, 13:54
id agree with radiohead - hail to the theif

but your going to burn in hell if you dont buy pablo honey, the bends, OK computer, Kid-A (best album ever), amnesiac, and com lag is pretty good (pretty fucking awesomely good!), while your at it get the drill ep the how am i driving/airbag ep the my iron lung ep and every other CD or absolutely anything for that matter radiohead has EVER released, infact, you should even download the on a friday demos, despite your not downloading things. failing that GET SOME BELLE AND SEBASTIAN! if your not going to cleanse your soul with some radiohead, please for the love of god get some belle and sebastian.
and failing all that you seem to be into pretty heavy music, if you havent listened already get some dillinger escape plan, they rock! (i voted for the pumpkins)

First of all, I hate Radiohead...

...I've had friends bug me about this fact for years. "Your just not giving it a chance!" they'll say, and then force me to sit through another hour of mind-numbingly boring, unimaginative music.

I've heard it all, and I'll never spend one cent on it...thankfully.

Secondly, I definetly like what I've heard of DEP, but that consists of only a few songs. Perhaps you could recommend an album?
Heron-Marked Warriors
08-12-2005, 13:55
id agree with radiohead - hail to the theif

but your going to burn in hell if you dont buy pablo honey, the bends, OK computer, Kid-A (best album ever), amnesiac, and com lag is pretty good (pretty fucking awesomely good!), while your at it get the drill ep the how am i driving/airbag ep the my iron lung ep and every other CD or absolutely anything for that matter radiohead has EVER released, infact, you should even download the on a friday demos, despite your not downloading things. failing that GET SOME BELLE AND SEBASTIAN! if your not going to cleanse your soul with some radiohead, please for the love of god get some belle and sebastian.
and failing all that you seem to be into pretty heavy music, if you havent listened already get some dillinger escape plan, they rock! (i voted for the pumpkins)

OOOH!! FANBOY!!

**pokes the fanboy**
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 14:32
<snip>

But if I'm buying, it's not likely to be some adventerous exploration of some new band or style...I'm just a tight-fisted loser sometimes. :p

I know how you feel. I'm an old guy now and family expenses mean I can't spend the way I used to. I usually just drop heavy hints to the family until they give in and buy what I want. :cool: I also borrow from friends when i want to test something, and then buy whatever passed the test.

But some things are worth a risk.

I'm sorry you can't do Radiohead. It's like Marmite I guess. You might change or you might not. Tell your friends to leave it alone (if you haven't already).

Meanwhile, how are you with Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and some of the classically "heavy" bands? Have you ever heard the old super-group Cream (Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker)? They did a re-union gig in London a little while ago, and they're still good and still worth the money (though I still prefer their Wheels of Fire album). Or hunt down Rory Gallagher (his Live in Europe album is good).

If you follow up from them you'll find Jack Bruce has been going since Cream split up. Good stuff. Look for solo albums by Plant and Palmer (ex-Zep) too. And Pink Floyd -- well, Pink Floyd. Mmmmm... Oh yes, where was I? Oh, let's be a little modern.

How about Three Days Grace or Slaves on Dope or Skies of Fire? (Or should that be "Skys"? I always forget.) Maybe something like Board of Canada (album: "Music has Children")?

And I just have to say it again: Muse. Have a listen to their album Absolution (OK, so wander into a Barnes & Noble CD section and cheat. Play "Stockholm Syndrome".)
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 14:44
OOOH!! FANBOY!!
...

And what's wrong with that? I've got all the stuff he listed except Drill (still can't find it! :( Got a spare?) including the On a Friday download. And I've got a large collection of their gigs (don't ask). Unless you're one of those who don't "get" them, they're amazing. I've seen them live -- the acid test of any group for me -- and they're beyond describing. I haven't gotten off like that on a gig in too many years.
German Nightmare
08-12-2005, 15:14
Go for the "Blind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other Side"!

http://www.blind-guardian.com/new_version/images/albums/imaginationsfromother.jpg

Great album!
Strathdonia
08-12-2005, 16:36
id agree with radiohead - hail to the theif

but your going to burn in hell if you dont buy pablo honey, the bends, OK computer, Kid-A (best album ever), amnesiac, and com lag is pretty good (pretty fucking awesomely good!), while your at it get the drill ep the how am i driving/airbag ep the my iron lung ep and every other CD or absolutely anything for that matter radiohead has EVER released, infact, you should even download the on a friday demos, despite your not downloading things. failing that GET SOME BELLE AND SEBASTIAN! if your not going to cleanse your soul with some radiohead, please for the love of god get some belle and sebastian.
and failing all that you seem to be into pretty heavy music, if you havent listened already get some dillinger escape plan, they rock! (i voted for the pumpkins)

My first suggestion is that from experience (both mine and others) if you like the heavier side of music, radiohead is likely not going to do anything for you and there is no way you will ever get anything out of the sheer prentious rubbish that is Belle and Sebastian.

Personally my recomendation would be Blind Guardian.
Ifreann
08-12-2005, 16:38
Go to http://www.pandora.com it asks you for bands/songs you like and matches the beat, rythm, instrumentals etc in a database and plays you music it thinks you will like

Dang, beaten to it
Delator
08-12-2005, 16:45
...I'm sorry you can't do Radiohead. It's like Marmite I guess. You might change or you might not. Tell your friends to leave it alone (if you haven't already).

Meanwhile, how are you with Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and some of the classically "heavy" bands? Have you ever heard the old super-group Cream (Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker)? They did a re-union gig in London a little while ago, and they're still good and still worth the money (though I still prefer their Wheels of Fire album). Or hunt down Rory Gallagher (his Live in Europe album is good).

If you follow up from them you'll find Jack Bruce has been going since Cream split up. Good stuff. Look for solo albums by Plant and Palmer (ex-Zep) too. And Pink Floyd -- well, Pink Floyd. Mmmmm... Oh yes, where was I? Oh, let's be a little modern.

How about Three Days Grace or Slaves on Dope or Skies of Fire? (Or should that be "Skys"? I always forget.) Maybe something like Board of Canada (album: "Music has Children")?

And I just have to say it again: Muse. Have a listen to their album Absolution (OK, so wander into a Barnes & Noble CD section and cheat. Play "Stockholm Syndrome".)

Oh, don't worry...after many attempts, my friends are now fully aware of my thoughts regarding Radiohead. :p

I very much enjoy classic rock, especially some of the bands you mentioned (Floyd, Zep, The Who, Rolling Stones, Hendrix, The Doors...), although I never much cared for Cream.

I can't stand Three Days Grace (they remind me too much of "bands" like Nickelback and Creed), and I haven't heard much from the other "modern" bands you mentioned.

But...next time I'm at Barnes & Noble (probably this weekend) I'll be sure and give that song a listen. :)
Sdaeriji
08-12-2005, 16:48
Get some Frank Sinatra.
Heron-Marked Warriors
08-12-2005, 16:50
And what's wrong with that? I've got all the stuff he listed except Drill (still can't find it! :( Got a spare?) including the On a Friday download. And I've got a large collection of their gigs (don't ask). Unless you're one of those who don't "get" them, they're amazing. I've seen them live -- the acid test of any group for me -- and they're beyond describing. I haven't gotten off like that on a gig in too many years.

Telling us we're going to burn in hell if we don't love radiohead? it's either a seriously odd religious parody that's totally out of place, or it's fanboyism at it's worst.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being a massive fan of [insert group here] (unless they suck), just that that was a pretty awful way of putting it. And given that the poster has only three posts, they're probably either a puppet or are trolling.
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 16:58
Personal recommendation would be VNV Nation's Praise The Fallen, a fucking awesome slice of industrial/hardtrancey fun, with some of the bleakest lyrics this side of anywhere.

I second "VNV Nation", if you are looking for something a little different to what you've listed... or, on a similar tip, you might try "Covenant" (not "Kovenant.... that would get you something very different)... their "Northern Lights" album is a pretty good introduction.

Or Velvet Acid Christ's "Calling ov the Dead"...

Of course.... you might not be able to find any of them at your 'local store'... :(
Smunkeeville
08-12-2005, 17:04
I vote Smashing Pumpkins, even though I have met Billy and he is an ass.

anyway, I would recomend Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, it's got a pretty good mix of songs.
Vittos Ordination
08-12-2005, 17:14
The obvious choice out of those would be Siamese Dream by Smashing Pumpkins. Highlights include Today, Disarm, Cherub Rock, and Rocket.

EDIT: I would personally recommend Apologies to the Queen Mary by Wolf Parade, there are some songs that are immediately enjoyable, and some songs that are growers, but they are all very good.

Shine a Light (http://www.subpop.com/scripts/main/download.php?url=/downloads/free/Shine_a_Light339.mp3&mid=339)

You are a Runner (http://www.subpop.com/scripts/main/download.php?url=/downloads/free/You_Are_A_Runner325.mp3&mid=325)

Or Bone Machine by Tom Waits.
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 17:15
I vote Smashing Pumpkins, even though I have met Billy and he is an ass.

anyway, I would recomend Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, it's got a pretty good mix of songs.

It has "Bullet with Butterfly Wings"... which may well be the Pumpkins' greatest moment. :)

And, of course, Corgan's own peculiar 'goth anthem', "We Only Come Out At Night".
Drunk commies deleted
08-12-2005, 17:15
I plan to go buy a CD on Saturday...after a summer of excessive purchases, I have gone since August without buying any.

(Yes...I am one of those rare people who don't download music, and insist on buying it in these things we call "stores" :p )

Anyways, I've been racking my brain trying to decide what to get, but my options have left me indecisive at best...

...so I pose the question to all of NS General, which of the following should I get?

---

Tool - Undertow :: The only Tool CD that I do not own...

Arch Enemy :: Been into them ever since I saw them at Ozzfest. I picked up Wages of Sin several months ago, and I dig it. Definetly interested in more.

Smashing Pumpkins :: As much as I enjoy their music, I do not own a single Pumpkins CD...perhaps I should pick one up...

Blind Guardian :: I already own Nightfall in Middle Earth, and their double-disc live CD...I love what I'm hearing and I want more!

Shadows Fall :: Another band I saw at Ozzfest, and I keep telling myself I'll pick up one of their CDs...

A Perfect Circle - Thirteenth Step :: I already own Mer de Noms and Emotive...perhaps I should pick this up as well.

In Flames - Their new live DVD just came out...perhaps that's what I should get.

---

What do you think?
My pick would be tool. Undertow was a great album. Arguably their best. If you do decide to get a Smashing Pumpkins album instead, may I suggest Gish?
Drunk commies deleted
08-12-2005, 17:18
If you must buy a Smashing Pumpkins album, get Gish.
The rest is pretty much Billy Corrigan being a pretentious asswipe.
Finally someone who agrees with me. Tristessa, I Am One, etc. possibly their only album with balls.
Delator
08-12-2005, 17:20
Of course.... you might not be able to find any of them at your 'local store'... :(

We've got a pretty nice local music chain...I've never had any problems finding something obscure.

I dig Velvet Acid Christ as well. :cool:

It's looking like Pumpkins...although I was leaning towards Blind Guardian when I made the poll...decisions, decisions.
Bodies Without Organs
08-12-2005, 17:26
I'm with you on going to those "store" places. So retro! And sitting in a cafe to unwrap new CDs is so much more fun than sitting at the computer for the umpteenth hour with nothing tactile or visual to show for it.

I guess I'm showing my age if I laugh at the thought of buying CDs being considered 'retro' - now if we were talking pre-recorded reel-to-reel tapes, eight-track cartridges or 78s, then I could accept 'retro'.


EDIT: glad to see that PT wasn't being entirely serious in his talk of CDs as retro.
Anarchic Antichrists
08-12-2005, 17:30
Get some Iron Maiden or System of a down or NIN or Manson or Sex pistols.
I voted smashing pumpkins coz i vaguely know of them..
Delator
08-12-2005, 17:33
Get some Iron Maiden or System of a down or NIN or Manson.
I voted smashing pumpkins coz i vaguely know of them..

I sold all my Manson long ago...bought me some In Flames with the money.
I own most of the NIN Halos...NIN is my favorite band (And I get to see em again in February! *bounces*)
I don't much care for Maiden, but they kick ass live.
I own every SOAD cd.
I lean towards The Ramones myself...but that's just me.

...next? :p
Anarchic Antichrists
08-12-2005, 17:37
I sold all my Manson long ago...bought me some In Flames with the money.
I own most of the NIN Halos...NIN is my favorite band (And I get to see em again in February! *bounces*)
I don't much care for Maiden, but they kick ass live.
I own every SOAD cd.
I lean towards The Ramones myself...but that's just me.

...next? :p
Wow nice collection.
How bout some Guns n roses or Korn or Slipknot or Disturbed
MAIDEN RULE-get a live cd?
fear of the dark is awesome live
Smunkeeville
08-12-2005, 17:40
It has "Bullet with Butterfly Wings"... which may well be the Pumpkins' greatest moment. :)

And, of course, Corgan's own peculiar 'goth anthem', "We Only Come Out At Night".
yeah, it's one of those CD's that I can listen to and it immediatly takes me back, it is so nostalgic to me
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 17:45
...next? :p

Are you familiar with Alice In Chains? I'd highly recommend their album Dirt.
Raharna
08-12-2005, 17:50
You went since august without buying a CD??? I wouldn't last that long without my fix ... I have bought about 150 CD's and 20 LP's in the last 3 years :p

I own every Blind Guardian CD (including the singles) so I'm a bit biassed but I suggest you get 'Imaginations from the other side' or 'Somewhere far Beyond'.
You won't regret it ;)
or you could get the first Demons & wizards CD (the Cd is named the same). It's a side project from the singer of Blind Guardian. A bit darker than BG but easely as good.
Vittos Ordination
08-12-2005, 17:51
Are you familiar with Alice In Chains? I'd highly recommend their album Dirt.

That is a very good recommendation, but the longer he doesn't buy a Tom Waits record, the longer he is missing out.
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 17:52
You went since august without buying a CD??? I wouldn't last that long without my fix ... I have bought about 150 CD's and 20 LP's in the last 3 years :p

I'm about 200 and 5, respectively :p

I could probably stop some village in a third world country from starving to death with what I spend on music. >.>
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 17:53
That is a very good recommendation, but the longer he doesn't buy a Tom Waits record, the longer he is missing out.

That reminds me, I was meaning to check him out...I've only heard good about his work.
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 17:56
We've got a pretty nice local music chain...I've never had any problems finding something obscure.

I dig Velvet Acid Christ as well. :cool:

It's looking like Pumpkins...although I was leaning towards Blind Guardian when I made the poll...decisions, decisions.

Well... if you like Velvet Acid Christ... you might like Kevorkian Death Cycle, or maybe some :Wumpscut: or (one has to assume you already have...) Skinny Puppy.

How are you on KMFDM? They've an interesting back-catalogue, and were pretty impressive before they split. (The 're-built' KMFDM, is a pale reflection of former greatness, in my opinion). "Adios" and 'symbols' are arguably the best place to start.

Filter? Stabbing Westward? (First albums by each, being the 'best', I believe).
Vittos Ordination
08-12-2005, 17:59
That reminds me, I was meaning to check him out...I've only heard good about his work.

Oh sweet Jesus, if you are going to buy an album, Rain Dogs is his best, maybe my favorite album. Also go with Swordfishtrombone, Mule Variations, Bone Machine, Alice, Blood Money, Real Gone.

For songs, I would go with Big Black Mariah, Walking Spanish, Clap Hands, I Don't Wanna Grow Up, 16 Shells from a 30 Ought Six, Going Out West, Chocolate Jesus, Big in Japan, Misery is the River of the World.

EDIT: musicgalore.net has a huge selection
Smunkeeville
08-12-2005, 18:00
Stabbing Westward? (First albums by each, being the 'best', I believe).
yikes, I forgot about them.:eek:

They were actually pretty good. ;)
Bodies Without Organs
08-12-2005, 18:01
That reminds me, I was meaning to check him out...I've only heard good about his work.

A man who has never listened to Tom Waits is not a man.
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 18:03
Oh sweet Jesus, if you are going to buy an album, Rain Dogs is his best, maybe my favorite album. Also go with Swordfishtrombone, Mule Variations, Bone Machine, Alice, Blood Money, Real Gone.

For songs, I would go with Big Black Mariah, Walking Spanish, Clap Hands, I Don't Wanna Grow Up, 16 Shells from a 30 Ought Six, Going Out West, Chocolate Jesus, Big in Japan, Misery is the River of the World.

I'm heading into the city tomorrow. Guess i'll have a look around all of my usual album-hunting venues :)
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 18:04
That is a very good recommendation, but the longer he doesn't buy a Tom Waits record, the longer he is missing out.

Ah, indeed. But, where do you start?

Myself, I find his later stuff most easily accessible... so I'd say start with something like "Blood Money"... although it certainly doesn't have his BEST material on it... "Swordfishtrombones", "Bone Machine"... "Small Change"... "Closing Time"... so HARD to CHOOSE!!!

(I'd lean towards "Small Change", personally.... but, how do you decide?)
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 18:04
A man who has never listened to Tom Waits is not a man.

Well, i'm listening to him now...so I guess that's my right of passage.
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 18:06
yikes, I forgot about them.:eek:

They were actually pretty good. ;)

Especially that first album... Violent Mood Swings was the 'rage anthem' that got me through more than one messy break-up.

(Well, that and Clawfinger "Biggest and Best") :)
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 18:08
Well, i'm listening to him now...so I guess that's my right of passage.

Actually... if you've seen the movies "Robots", "Shrek 2", or "Fight Club", you HAVE heard some Tom Waits... you just didn't realise. :)

(I find myself wondering why these 'kids' movies have such good movies, though... I mean, Tom Waits AND Nick Cave, in Shrek 2, of all things?)
Vittos Ordination
08-12-2005, 18:11
Ah, indeed. But, where do you start?

Myself, I find his later stuff most easily accessible... so I'd say start with something like "Blood Money"... although it certainly doesn't have his BEST material on it... "Swordfishtrombones", "Bone Machine"... "Small Change"... "Closing Time"... so HARD to CHOOSE!!!

(I'd lean towards "Small Change", personally.... but, how do you decide?)

For Kanabia and Delator, I would recommend starting with Bone Machine, I think they would really like "In the Collosseum" and "Going Out West". I started with Rain Dogs and Big Black Mariah hooked me.

But you are right, there is 30 years of top-notch material to choose from.
Bodies Without Organs
08-12-2005, 18:13
Ah, indeed. But, where do you start?

Myself, I find his later stuff most easily accessible... so I'd say start with something like "Blood Money"... although it certainly doesn't have his BEST material on it... "Swordfishtrombones", "Bone Machine"... "Small Change"... "Closing Time"... so HARD to CHOOSE!!!

(I'd lean towards "Small Change", personally.... but, how do you decide?)

Small Change is a fairly gentle introduction, but I personally prefer to more idiosyncratic stuff like Swordfishtrombones.
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 18:13
Actually... if you've seen the movies "Robots", "Shrek 2", or "Fight Club", you HAVE heard some Tom Waits... you just didn't realise. :)

(I find myself wondering why these 'kids' movies have such good movies, though... I mean, Tom Waits AND Nick Cave, in Shrek 2, of all things?)

I've only seen Fight Club...and I only remember one song from that soundtrack...."Where is My Mind".

And ooooh, Nick Cave. Although, I prefer The Birthday Party.
Kanabia
08-12-2005, 18:14
For Kanabia and Delator, I would recommend starting with Bone Machine

Done. I shall buy it tomorrow. :)
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 18:23
I've only seen Fight Club...and I only remember one song from that soundtrack...."Where is My Mind".

And ooooh, Nick Cave. Although, I prefer The Birthday Party.

Birthday Party is all well and good, but I'm more about the Bad Seeds... especially tracks like "The Mercy Seat", "I Had a Dream, Joe", and "Loom of the Land"...
Sdaeriji
08-12-2005, 18:27
I'm about 200 and 5, respectively :p

I could probably stop some village in a third world country from starving to death with what I spend on music. >.>

Damn. And I thought my 110 was impressive. :(
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 18:34
Telling us we're going to burn in hell if we don't love radiohead? it's either a seriously odd religious parody that's totally out of place, or it's fanboyism at it's worst.

....

Parody? Out of place here? Are you kidding or what? That's as bad as somebody here not noticing when I'm being ironi ... oh, never mind.

Seriously, one of the good bits about being a fan of Radiohead is how much time we spend making fun of ourselves, "fanboyism" and Radiohead. I guess you have to be there. ;) I suppose there are 'Head-heads out there who aren't like that, but they're weird and we make fun of them too. Them especially.
I V Stalin
08-12-2005, 18:37
You went since august without buying a CD??? I wouldn't last that long without my fix ... I have bought about 150 CD's and 20 LP's in the last 3 years :p
About 150 and 30, respectively.

I own every SOAD cd.
Including Paranoid (demos, b-sides, '98 live recordings)?

And to the person who recommended Boards of Canada (Pure Thought, I'm looking at you, I think), the album is 'Music has the right to children', not 'Music has children'


And because this is a music thread, I thought I'd recommend 65daysofstatic. Check the link in my sig...
The Elder Malaclypse
08-12-2005, 18:54
Buy Trout Mask Replica. Best album ever. Oh, and I notice we've started to talk about Tom Waits. Obviously its all incredible stuff but of his more recent stuff i'd recommend Alice.
I V Stalin
08-12-2005, 19:05
Buy Trout Mask Replica. Best album ever.
Now that's a strange choice for best album ever...
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 19:06
I guess I'm showing my age if I laugh at the thought of buying CDs being considered 'retro' - now if we were talking pre-recorded reel-to-reel tapes, eight-track cartridges or 78s, then I could accept 'retro'.


EDIT: glad to see that PT wasn't being entirely serious in his talk of CDs as retro.

Sorry, it amuses me to take the occasional jab at the young'uns who think an album is a series of downloads, and have NO idea about actually holding a piece of foot-square cover-art in their hands. I've already read that I'm not serious enough. :D

So you'll let me use the word if I restrict it to to the Dorsey Brothers and other Big Band stuff on reel-to-reel, or my Sun Record trad-blues records, or my 78s of Louie Armstrong from the 1920s?

You realize, by the time you've read this, somebody will have some new gizmo out and MP3s, oggs and the rest will all be considered "retro" by even younger ones who never heard of "vinyl" or cassette tapes.

isn't life wonderful?
Alexandria Quatriem
08-12-2005, 19:18
may i suggest another option? you should try Thousand Foot Krutch. you'll probably only find them in christian music stores:( , but their music is awesome. it's like, punk/nu metal/rock/lite rock/rap/hip-hop/isness. Set it Off is mostly rap/hip-hop, with a little lite rock thrown in, Phenomenon is mostly rock/punk, and The Art of Breaking is mostly punk/nu metal/rock. it's all great stuff, you should really try it. if you recoil at my suggestion, like most people to when they hear the term "christian rock", the go with tool. they're awesome.
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 19:21
About 150 and 30, respectively.

...

And to the person who recommended Boards of Canada (Pure Thought, I'm looking at you, I think), the album is 'Music has the right to children', not 'Music has children'


Uh-oh, stats are going to make me look like a music freak. I'm not really. I'll just say I have a room with 25 feet of shelves just for vinyl and "glass", and another 10 feet for reel-to-reel. CDs are comparatively few with about 200 CDs mostly in the last 3 years.

Thanks for the title correction. I lent it out shortly after getting it and my "friend" (I use the word loosely) still hasn't returned it. Now I can tell him exactly what he has of mine.

I think we're finally getting a feel for Delator's taste in music, so maybe the suggestions will start becoming more relevant to him.
I V Stalin
08-12-2005, 19:24
Uh-oh, stats are going to make me look like a music freak. I'm not really. I'll just say I have a room with 25 feet of shelves just for vinyl and "glass", and another 10 feet for reel-to-reel. CDs are comparatively few with about 200 CDs mostly in the last 3 years.
Yes, it will make you look a freak. However, this is NS General. You shall be respected, revered, and possibly even worshipped if you cultivate your image enough.
Vittos Ordination
08-12-2005, 19:37
Done. I shall buy it tomorrow. :)

Be prepared, it is probably the creepiest album I own. I don't know if Waits's voice is a acquired taste or if it is predisposed, but it is one of the harshest voices you will here, theatrically so. The music is largely barren with percussion rarely actually using conventional drums. It seems like Waits experimented to find exactly how uncomfortable a song can be while still being enjoyable.

The first four tracks are called "Earth Died Screaming", "Dirt in the Ground", "Such a Scream", and "All Stripped Down", and they deserve the titles.
Raharna
08-12-2005, 19:40
Uh-oh, stats are going to make me look like a music freak. I'm not really. I'll just say I have a room with 25 feet of shelves just for vinyl and "glass", and another 10 feet for reel-to-reel. CDs are comparatively few with about 200 CDs mostly in the last 3 years.

Yea, but you are probably, like, ancient ... :p
I'm 3 weeks away from becoming 20. So 170 pieces isn't that bad to start with.
Pure Metal
08-12-2005, 19:43
I plan to go buy a CD on Saturday...after a summer of excessive purchases, I have gone since August without buying any.

(Yes...I am one of those rare people who don't download music, and insist on buying it in these things we call "stores" :p )

Anyways, I've been racking my brain trying to decide what to get, but my options have left me indecisive at best...

...so I pose the question to all of NS General, which of the following should I get?

---

Tool - Undertow :: The only Tool CD that I do not own...

Arch Enemy :: Been into them ever since I saw them at Ozzfest. I picked up Wages of Sin several months ago, and I dig it. Definetly interested in more.

Smashing Pumpkins :: As much as I enjoy their music, I do not own a single Pumpkins CD...perhaps I should pick one up...

Blind Guardian :: I already own Nightfall in Middle Earth, and their double-disc live CD...I love what I'm hearing and I want more!

Shadows Fall :: Another band I saw at Ozzfest, and I keep telling myself I'll pick up one of their CDs...

A Perfect Circle - Thirteenth Step :: I already own Mer de Noms and Emotive...perhaps I should pick this up as well.

In Flames - Their new live DVD just came out...perhaps that's what I should get.

---

What do you think?
get Alive In Athens 3cd live set by Iced Earth.
maybe a little non-heavy in some respects, but i think - going on those choices - you won't be disappointed! :)
Pure Thought
08-12-2005, 19:56
Yea, but you are probably, like, ancient ... :p
I'm 3 weeks away from becoming 20. So 170 pieces isn't that bad to start with.

Ancient? Ancient?!! Say it again and I'll run you over with my wheel-chair! I'll gum you until you bruise! I'll dodder at you until ... until ... until ... hey, can anybody remember what happens to people when you dodder at them?

:confused:

Anway, unless you feel like joining the Olympics swimming team in the Mafia event, choose your words more carefully!

But you're right, 170 isn't bad at your age ... WHIPPER-SNAPPER!
Keljustan
08-12-2005, 20:14
For some fabulous instrumental metal, check out http://www.eliasviljanen.com/ There are some soundclips for you to try. I went to see another band, when this guy was there to warm the audience up first and I was stunned. Elias Viljanen & The Evil Spirit might just be my new favorite band.
Jello Biafra
08-12-2005, 22:09
If you're going to buy something that's not on the list, buy Nirvana. But if you have everything by Nirvana already, then the Smashing Pumpkins is where to go.

Finally someone who agrees with me. Tristessa, I Am One, etc. possibly their only album with balls.Gish is a great album, but I wouldn't say "Daydream" has balls...it was ballsy to put it on there, though...is that what you mean?

You went since august without buying a CD??? I wouldn't last that long without my fix ... I have bought about 150 CD's and 20 LP's in the last 3 years :pI'm at about 550 for the last 3 years. I don't buy LPs...wish I had a record player.

Stabbing Westward? (First albums by each, being the 'best', I believe).I'd have to say both Wither, Blister, Burn & Peel and Darkest Days are better than Ungod.
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2005, 23:18
I'd have to say both Wither, Blister, Burn & Peel and Darkest Days are better than Ungod.

Really? A little more polished perhaps... and with good tracks on each... but I fully believe all their 'passion' was in that first work.
Heron-Marked Warriors
08-12-2005, 23:25
get Alive In Athens 3cd live set by Iced Earth.
maybe a little non-heavy in some respects, but i think - going on those choices - you won't be disappointed! :)

I'll second that:cool:
Burnviktm
08-12-2005, 23:55
You guys still buy CDs? Haven't you heard of file-sharing?

I guess the last CDs that I bought were 'Slobberbone : Everything You Thoguht was Right Was Wrong Today' and 'Pinebox Serenade : Pinebox Serenade'.
Frangland
09-12-2005, 00:05
I plan to go buy a CD on Saturday...after a summer of excessive purchases, I have gone since August without buying any.

(Yes...I am one of those rare people who don't download music, and insist on buying it in these things we call "stores" :p )

Anyways, I've been racking my brain trying to decide what to get, but my options have left me indecisive at best...

...so I pose the question to all of NS General, which of the following should I get?

---

Tool - Undertow :: The only Tool CD that I do not own...

Arch Enemy :: Been into them ever since I saw them at Ozzfest. I picked up Wages of Sin several months ago, and I dig it. Definetly interested in more.

Smashing Pumpkins :: As much as I enjoy their music, I do not own a single Pumpkins CD...perhaps I should pick one up...

Blind Guardian :: I already own Nightfall in Middle Earth, and their double-disc live CD...I love what I'm hearing and I want more!

Shadows Fall :: Another band I saw at Ozzfest, and I keep telling myself I'll pick up one of their CDs...

A Perfect Circle - Thirteenth Step :: I already own Mer de Noms and Emotive...perhaps I should pick this up as well.

In Flames - Their new live DVD just came out...perhaps that's what I should get.

---

What do you think?


If you don't own a Smashing Pumpkins CD... do yourself a huge favor and buy Siamese Dream.

That was one of my favorite CDs in college and I still play it once in a while (it's over a decade old).
Heron-Marked Warriors
09-12-2005, 00:09
You guys still buy CDs? Haven't you heard of file-sharing?


Yeah, but there's just something nice and solid about having that box to hold. Plus the speakers on my pc are awful and the ones on the CD player are good, and I can't be arsed with burning a whole load of cds.
The Beach Boys
09-12-2005, 01:10
Yeah, but there's just something nice and solid about having that box to hold. Plus the speakers on my pc are awful and the ones on the CD player are good, and I can't be arsed with burning a whole load of cds.


yeah, and anyway, who wants to listen to mp3s? I know you can get some lossless files for sharing, but an awful lot of the stuff available for file sharing is still only in mp3. puke! I won't insult my speakers or my headhones. or my ears.

I even agree with Pure Thought about analogue being better to listen to but we're from the same generation so maybe that's not a surprise. maybe one day lossless audio files will be the default and that'll be a different story.

meanwhile sharing mp3s is like sharing a nasty disease with somebody.

and while I'm talking about Pure Thought, I don't like to say this, but he's lying. I've seen his vinyl collection and it's way bigger than he admits. sorry dude, but your vinyl is super impressive and you shouldn't hide it. and yeah dude, you are a freak. live with it.
Ham-o
09-12-2005, 02:50
Not that I like them, but I say TOOL in order to complete you collection. I support buying every CD of an artist you really like.
Cwazybushland
09-12-2005, 03:09
Why not get "Creole Kings of New Orleans volume 1"?

Probably because I'm the only person on NS who likes that stuff.
Nyuujaku
09-12-2005, 03:53
I just bought my first CD in months myself on Monday. I bought Bestial Machinery by Agoraphobic Nosebleed, and haven't regretted it. Basically, if you take ADHD and distill it into music, this is what you get -- 2 CDs of heavy turbocharged instrumentals and guttural screaming of profanities. Definitely mood music, not something that tells a story.
Delator
09-12-2005, 08:31
Are you familiar with Alice In Chains? I'd highly recommend their album Dirt.

I already own it. :cool:

or you could get the first Demons & wizards CD (the Cd is named the same). It's a side project from the singer of Blind Guardian. A bit darker than BG but easely as good.

I wouldn't mind a darker version of BG...I'll have to check that out sometime.

That is a very good recommendation, but the longer he doesn't buy a Tom Waits record, the longer he is missing out.

Oh sweet Jesus, if you are going to buy an album, Rain Dogs is his best, maybe my favorite album. Also go with Swordfishtrombone, Mule Variations, Bone Machine, Alice, Blood Money, Real Gone.

One of my friends is a big fan, and I dig what he's played for me...I'll buy it for myself one day! :p

Well... if you like Velvet Acid Christ... you might like Kevorkian Death Cycle, or maybe some :Wumpscut: or (one has to assume you already have...) Skinny Puppy.

How are you on KMFDM? They've an interesting back-catalogue, and were pretty impressive before they split. (The 're-built' KMFDM, is a pale reflection of former greatness, in my opinion). "Adios" and 'symbols' are arguably the best place to start.

Filter? Stabbing Westward? (First albums by each, being the 'best', I believe).

I actually have never heard of Kevorkian Death Cycle, but of course you were correct to assume that I like both Wumpscut and Skinny Puppy.

I also really like KMFDM...they've made a lot of albums though...weren't "Adios" and "symbols" the last two albums before the split? Usually bands get worse over time...:confused:

"Short Bus" is definetly Filters best, although with Stabbing Westward, my heart will forever remain loyal to "Darkest Days".

Including Paranoid (demos, b-sides, '98 live recordings)?

Nope, 'fraid not, just the traditional studio release albums (although the first two are the "special edition" releases with the red covers and bonus materials...meh)

get Alive In Athens 3cd live set by Iced Earth.
maybe a little non-heavy in some respects, but i think - going on those choices - you won't be disappointed!

I already own quite a bit of Iced Earth, and just bought their Greatest Hits album in June...which includes many tracks from "Alive...", so at this point I think more might be overkill. :p

If you're going to buy something that's not on the list, buy Nirvana. But if you have everything by Nirvana already, then the Smashing Pumpkins is where to go.

I got the Nirvana box set for Christmas last year, so I'm set there. :)

I'd have to say both Wither, Blister, Burn & Peel and Darkest Days are better than Ungod.

Really? A little more polished perhaps... and with good tracks on each... but I fully believe all their 'passion' was in that first work.

As I said, I lean towards Darkest Days...but as for "passion", I would say WBB+P was their peak, but thats just my opinion.

I notice nobody bothered to mention their self-titled disc. :p

If you don't own a Smashing Pumpkins CD... do yourself a huge favor and buy Siamese Dream.

If I pick up some Pumpkins, I'll probably go with Mellon Collie, just for the 'bang for the buck' aspect.

---

...whew, see what happens when you're gone all day! Too many quotes! :p
Boonytopia
09-12-2005, 09:58
If you're only choosing from your list, I'd say Tool. Undertow is a very good album, with a couple of outstanding tracks on it. I don't think it's as good as Aenima (sp?), but very good nonetheless. If you're looking at something outside your list, the choice is endless.....
Heretichia
09-12-2005, 10:18
APC is great, thirteenth step sucks ass though... stick with mer de noms or get the Tool cd, pretty much the same music anyway:)
Ancient Valyria
09-12-2005, 12:29
I wouldn't mind a darker version of BG...I'll have to check that out sometime.

actualy it's not so much a darker version of BG as it is a better version of Iced Earth ;)
Delator
09-12-2005, 12:44
actualy it's not so much a darker version of BG as it is a better version of Iced Earth ;)

Well...hell....that begs for serious consideration! *ponders*
The Elder Malaclypse
10-12-2005, 18:44
Now that's a strange choice for best album ever...
Well it was either that or... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000005X1J/qid=1134236545/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-7577259-8164707?n=507846&s=music&v=glance
Grave_n_idle
10-12-2005, 23:06
I actually have never heard of Kevorkian Death Cycle, but of course you were correct to assume that I like both Wumpscut and Skinny Puppy.

I also really like KMFDM...they've made a lot of albums though...weren't "Adios" and "symbols" the last two albums before the split? Usually bands get worse over time...:confused:

"Short Bus" is definetly Filters best, although with Stabbing Westward, my heart will forever remain loyal to "Darkest Days".


KMFDM started off experimental (like, REALLY experimental, at times)... and went into a sort of dancable/heavy/(slightly)industrial phase (which they referred to as Ultra-Heavy-Beat Music)... which was all pretty good. Towards the end of their 'natural' life, however, (yes, symbols and Adios) they were a little more experimental again, and a little more eclectic... and almost became a who's-who in the experimental/industrial scene... becoming something of a 'supergroup; (performances included Ogre from Skinny Puppy, and Ministry's Chris Connelly).

After Columbine, after 'the split', about half of the band reformed. It's still pretty good, but it lacks the vitality of the pre-split stuff.
Jello Biafra
11-12-2005, 12:57
I also really like KMFDM...they've made a lot of albums though...weren't "Adios" and "symbols" the last two albums before the split? Usually bands get worse over time...:confused: I have a couple KMFDM albums, and I'd have to say WWIII is the best out of the ones that I have. Adios doesn't have nearly enough guitars.

I got the Nirvana box set for Christmas last year, so I'm set there. :) That'll do, for now. You should get all of their albums anyway, but it isn't as mandatory as it would've been otherwise. :)

I notice nobody bothered to mention their self-titled disc. :p It has its moments, but it's by far their worst album.
Pure Metal
11-12-2005, 13:07
get Another Lesson In Violence by Exodus.

ties with alive in athens for best live show i've heard (RL or recorded)
plus i don't care if you'll like it or not - just get it :p
Delator
11-12-2005, 13:55
Well, I walked into the store not knowing what I was going to get, and ended up getting Arch Enemy's "Doomsday Machine"...hell, it was only $10.00.

But since I made this thread, I now have quite a few other bands to check out.

My "to buy" list is now longer than ever....THANKS A LOT YOU GUYS! NOW I'LL NEVER FINISH!!! :mad:

:p
Ancient Valyria
11-12-2005, 13:58
Well, I walked into the store not knowing what I was going to get, and ended up getting Arch Enemy's "Doomsday Machine"...hell, it was only $10.00.

But since I made this thread, I now have quite a few other bands to check out.

My "to buy" list is now longer than ever....THANKS A LOT YOU GUYS! NOW I'LL NEVER FINISH!!! :mad:

:p
you're welcome :p
Pure Metal
11-12-2005, 14:02
Well, I walked into the store not knowing what I was going to get, and ended up getting Arch Enemy's "Doomsday Machine"...hell, it was only $10.00.

But since I made this thread, I now have quite a few other bands to check out.

My "to buy" list is now longer than ever....THANKS A LOT YOU GUYS! NOW I'LL NEVER FINISH!!! :mad:

:p
better that than being in musical limbo
*crosses arms, sticks nose in air and pouts*
(i know you were j/k)
Harlesburg
12-12-2005, 10:11
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness would be the one I'd recommend. It's a double album, so it would have more bang for your buck. It's also their best.

(I'd say that Siamese Dream is their best single disc, but the two discs of Mellon Collie... together make it better.)

Agreed here, too.
Defianatly.
Jello Biafra
12-12-2005, 12:34
But since I made this thread, I now have quite a few other bands to check out.

My "to buy" list is now longer than ever....THANKS A LOT YOU GUYS! NOW I'LL NEVER FINISH!!! :mad:
You should check out the "your favorite bands" thread for a list of good bands.

(Psst...I have over 400 things on my "to buy" list.:))
Fass
12-12-2005, 12:37
08-12-2005 :rolleyes:

Could we please not grave dig?
Teh_pantless_hero
12-12-2005, 12:57
08-12-2005 :rolleyes:

Could we please not grave dig?
I demand sacrifice to the thread necromancer gods!
Monkeypimp
12-12-2005, 12:58
08-12-2005 :rolleyes:

Could we please not grave dig?


That's less than a week, that's barely a gravedig. My thread I did last year on Klonor had some real gravedigs..
Pure Thought
12-12-2005, 13:25
08-12-2005 :rolleyes:

Could we please not grave dig?

Please explain this for me; I don't understand. I know the official rulings of NS' Mods pretty well, but I don't see the relevance of them here.

Are we really supposed to believe that this thread is supposed to close now just because it's a week old? Come on! Music is one of the most interesting topics here.

I'm listening to an early Pink Floyd album I haven't had on the turntable in a few years -- I should be ashamed shouldn't I? -- Ummagumma. I can't believe I neglected it for so long! And before that I had on some of my John Coltrane collection including Spiritual. And before that I was listening to Jimi Hendrix' amazing performance at Winterland.

All of it is stuff Delator might want to listen to sometime. Or he might already have listened to it. He might love some or all of it, or hate it. Or not care. And folks here might want to express opinions about some or all or none of it. And others might want to agree or disagree.

The thread is an invitation: "opinions wanted!" Are you saying some Mod is about to tell us we have to stop now?

TIA.
Fass
12-12-2005, 14:12
That's less than a week, that's barely a gravedig. My thread I did last year on Klonor had some real gravedigs..

Wait, that's not Aug 12? It's Dec 8? Really, what notation do they use here? I'm confused.
Monkeypimp
12-12-2005, 14:19
Wait, that's not Aug 12? It's Dec 8? Really, what notation do they use here? I'm confused.


It's Jolt.co.uk, so not being all wierd and north american, it goes day/month/year.

actually, considering you can set your own timezone, I wouldn't be surprised if you could set the way you want the date set yourself. I'm gonna go check
and it doesn't appear you can, so my comment stands.
Fass
12-12-2005, 14:22
It's Jolt.co.uk, so not being all wierd and north american, it goes day/month/year.

Yeah, I thought it was month/day/year, like September 11 becomes 9/11 instead of 11/9. *sigh*

Mea culpa.
Delator
12-12-2005, 15:40
Yeah, I thought it was month/day/year, like September 11 becomes 9/11 instead of 11/9. *sigh*

Mea culpa.

Nos totus planto erroris. :)

Coincidentally, do you have any music to recommend??
Fass
12-12-2005, 17:50
Coincidentally, do you have any music to recommend??

Well, I like The Knife. (http://rabidrecords.com/theknife/music.html) They're a bit special and take some getting used to, but they're worth it.

For some easy listening, I like Laleh. (http://www.laleh.se/media.asp) Her "Live Tomorrow" (http://mfile.akamai.com/9139/wma/stream.wmg.com/wmi/sweden/audio/laleh_livetomorrow.wma) is a big hit here at the moment.
Bodies Without Organs
12-12-2005, 17:54
Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting because the term "hunting" precludes the possibility of failure. Chuck Norris goes killing.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.