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Transgendred/transexual people?

Should they just be happy with what they're given?

Should they expect any help from a government?

Should the be legally recognised as their 'new' sex?

Is it just needless mutilation?

What about marriage?

What if your child claimed to be transgendred/transexual?

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To be honest, I don't know what the fuck transgendered/transsexual even means.

For that reason, I really don't care. If they want to be whatever, fine by me.

It makes as much sense as a white guy trying to act black.


Except in this case it requires irreversible mutilation of their genitals.

My only problem is that guys/girls end up not knowing what gender that person is until it's a little late. It's just harsh deception.

I think they got some serious mental issues that need to be addressed.

On another note, when in Bangkok, always look for Adams apples.

Transgendred/transexual people?

They're just people.

Should they just be happy with what they're given?

People don't have to be happy with the body they're born with. I mean, if somebody was born with some sort of very noticable physical deformity, I doubt anyone would begrudge them cosmetic surgery if they so wanted it.

Should they expect any help from a government?

Dunno. I think it would depend on what help the person's government gives for other procedures.

Should the be legally recognised as their 'new' sex?

Yes.

Is it just needless mutilation?

No.

What about marriage?

Transgendered people are just people. What should it matter whether or not a person was a different sex at one point?

What if your child claimed to be transgendred/transexual?

:)

Not about to have any chilluns... but if I did, I'd probably be like 'Righto' and then my daughter/son would hence become my son/daughter, and I would give them what support they needed.

...I probably misused the term 'hence' there...

Transgendred/transexual people?

Should they just be happy with what they're given?

They've already tried that and couldn't be, or they wouldn't want to be transgendered! :p

Should they expect any help from a government?

To pay for expenses? ... no, I don't think so... legal and civil rights should be appreciated, though

Should the be legally recognised as their 'new' sex?

Definitely.

Is it just needless mutilation?

No! Don't be silly. It's such a huge thing to go through, think anyone's going to put themselves to physical, emotional, psychological trauma and risk social/legal ridicule for fun?!

What about marriage?

What about it? I change my sex to a woman's, I should be able to marry a bloke.

What if your child claimed to be transgendred/transexual?

I'd feel unhappy for them that their life will be made harder, that another level of difficulty will be added to it. From mid to late teens though, it's their call, and it's their body.

Sometimes, all you can do is be there and hold someone's hand, whatever your feelings - I'm sure every parent can appreciate the sentiment...

Heh I am gay and if born a woman, yeah I'd be happier with it, but to be honest, changing genders is not for me. Far too risky, and in my opinion, its not the same as actually being born a woman. So, I am happy being a guy :p

Heh I am gay and if born a woman, yeah I'd be happier with it, but to be honest, changing genders is not for me. Far too risky, and in my opinion, its not the same as actually being born a woman. So, I am happy being a guy :p

And that, my friend, is likely the view of all people who's gender is the same as their sex!

They're just people.



People don't have to be happy with the body they're born with. I mean, if somebody was born with some sort of very noticable physical deformity, I doubt anyone would begrudge them cosmetic surgery if they so wanted it.



Dunno. I think it would depend on what help the person's government gives for other procedures.



Yes.



No.



Transgendered people are just people. What should it matter whether or not a person was a different sex at one point?



Not about to have any chilluns... but if I did, I'd probably be like 'Righto' and then my daughter/son would hence become my son/daughter, and I would give them what support they needed.

...I probably misused the term 'hence' there...
All of the above. Seriously, those where going to be my answers...

I think that transexuals should remember that while they've got their junk dangling, they're a man as far as I am concerned. You're a He, and if we get to my bedroom before the extra bit comes out, we're going to have problems.
I like a nice boy as much as the next man, but I also like to know what I'm buying before I unwrap it.
Oh, and I also think that transgenders need to quit bothering me and complicating things just because they can.

I think that transexuals should remember that while they've got their junk dangling, they're a man as far as I am concerned. You're a He, and if we get to my bedroom before the extra bit comes out, we're going to have problems.
I like a nice boy as much as the next man, but I also like to know what I'm buying before I unwrap it.
What about post-ops?





And remeber there are female to male transexuals as well...

I think that transexuals should remember that while they've got their junk dangling, they're a man as far as I am concerned. You're a He, and if we get to my bedroom before the extra bit comes out, we're going to have problems.
I like a nice boy as much as the next man, but I also like to know what I'm buying before I unwrap it.
Oh, and I also think that transgenders need to quit bothering me and complicating things just because they can.

Have we had a little run-in with someone? :p

wait, why should my tax dollars go and help pay for some person who cant figure out if he likes being a he or a she?
I think the government has more inportant things to do, like run the country.

wait, why should my tax dollars go and help pay for some person who cant figure out if he likes being a he or a she?
I think the government has more inportant things to do, like run the country.

That's the only point you've got?

mind _this_ >< broad...

I agree that the state shouldn't fund this type of operation (as you say, sheer practicalities), or some of the associated procedures, but I don't think it's the most important point to raise!

Elgesh']That's the only point you've got?

mind _this_ >< broad...

I agree that the state shouldn't fund this type of operation (as you say, sheer practicalities), or some of the associated procedures, but I don't think it's the most important point to raise!
What about the State paying for it through a health service entirely funded by taxes with a state healthcare system, that the transgendered person also pays taxes for?

What about post-ops?
If they've cleaned up (and don't keep talking about how they used to be a man, because that would make dull pillow talk), then sure, the Fiddlebottoms is down with that.
And remeber there are female to male transexuals as well...
Yes, but I don't really pursue men that much and (provided that they aren't looking like some freaked out drag queen/king) I don't mind paling around with people who are more-or-less in fancy dress.

If they've cleaned up (and don't keep talking about how they used to be a man, because that would make dull pillow talk), then sure, the Fiddlebottoms is down with that.
:)

What about the State paying for it through a health service entirely funded by taxes with a state healthcare system, that the transgendered person also pays taxes for?

No. We don't have an ideal society; some things are just impractical for the state to deliver. This falls into that category.

Elgesh']No. We don't have an ideal society; some things are just impractical for the state to deliver. This falls into that category.
Well, I guess it depends on your country. I live in the UK, where the tax-payed NHS will do it.

And that, my friend, is likely the view of all people who's gender is the same as their sex!
Your point being?

Well, I guess it depends on your country. I live in the UK, where the tax-payed NHS will do it.

Does it? I didn't know that :)

I still don't think it _should_, but that's another matter, I guess

Should they just be happy with what they're given?

No, they should be able to have a body consistent with their gender identity.

Should they expect any help from a government?

Yes, included in universal health care.

Should the be legally recognised as their 'new' sex?

Definitely.

Is it just needless mutilation?

If it's what they want, I have no problem.

What about marriage?

They should be free to marry as they see fit.

What if your child claimed to be transgendred/transexual?

I have no children, but I would hope that I would be accepting and supportive.

Your point being?

None, really.

Just statin' the obvious, that people who's gender is the same as their sex generally aren't going to go through a load of difficulties and surgery to become the opposite sex.

I'm pretty heartened by the responses so far :)

I'm pretty heartened by the responses so far :)
It's surprising, isn't it :D May I ask why you started the thread?

Elgesh']It's surprising, isn't it :D May I ask why you started the thread?
Boredom, mainly.

And the fact that I'm transgendered myself.

But mainly boredom.

Boredom, mainly.

And the fact that I'm transgendered myself.

But mainly boredom.

Boredom rules! Boredom with my essay-writing has kept me on NS...till 3.20am... Och, I'm going to bed...

Elgesh']Boredom rules! Boredom with my essay-writing has kept me on NS...till 3.20am... Och, I'm going to bed...
UK then, aye?

Having a night out and coming home drunk ahs kept me on NS until 3:26am, but whatever floats your boat ;)

I don't think the government should pay for sex changes unless there is a very very large degree of psychological trauma associated with being whatever gender a person currently is. The operation may be a good idea, but if its not an essential service the government shouldn't pay for it.

Trannies should be recognized as whatever gender they are physically, not chromosomally and not in identity. If someone's got boobs and a vagina (functional womb or not) they're female. If they've got a dick and no boobs, they're male. If they've got a dick and boobs, there's a bit of a gray area, but I could still see that characterized as female for most purposes.

This topic is vaguely of interest to me because my grand-uncle is a famous tranny. The family mostly avoids mentioning him (or her now, but whatever, I still think of him as a him, especially since he turned lesbian), but it's still kind of an interesting issue. Sort of our skeleton in the closet. We call him Uncle Dick, which I find rather ironic.

Transgendred/transexual people?

Should they just be happy with what they're given?

Should they expect any help from a government?

Should the be legally recognised as their 'new' sex?

Is it just needless mutilation?

What about marriage?

What if your child claimed to be transgendred/transexual?

:)
Honestly? I think that people should be happy with what they're given. If not..Meh, do what you want. However, I won't regard what, imo, is cosmetic surgery as a changing of gender. If/when it becomes possible to change someone's DNA so they turn into the gender of their choice, that's fine and dandy. I can accept being mentally another gender and all, just not the surgery bit as a true change. I certaintly wouldn't stop someone from going for it, though.

Marriage? Why should such change things? If they find love and want marriage, go for it.

If, on the incredibly small chance I had a kid, and they said that, I'd tell them what I said here, but I'd also say I'd love and support them, regardless of any decision they made.

As for government help..Dunno. I actually never thought of it.

I know there are cost issues surrounding such things - eg. why should my taxes go on someone doing changing their sex - but then there are cost issues surrounding a load of health-related issues. For example, most people I know don't really have a problem with the NHS funding the treatment of heavy smokers or drinkers, yet an argument exists that they could have prevented their problem. Transgendered people could not, as far as my understanding goes. The NHS exists to provide services for all people, regardless of their status or problems; that's the whole ethos behind the thing.

I accept that there isn't a public health service in all countries, but if you pay money into private medical insurance, surely the medical profession have an obligation to provide you with any treatment you may need? (And if you feel you need a sex change operation to ensure your wellbeing and happiness, surely that's as valid as any other treatments to ensure your wellbeing and happiness).

In short, pretty much everything that Kiwi-Kiwi and Elgesh said. Transgendered people are just people like everyone else, they just have a specific problem - but we all have problems of one form or another, so what singles this one out? They have a right to a happy lifestyle like everyone else; if that involves changing their biological sex, that's entirely up to them.

Honestly? I think that people should be happy with what they're given. If not..Meh, do what you want. However, I won't regard what, imo, is cosmetic surgery as a changing of gender. If/when it becomes possible to change someone's DNA so they turn into the gender of their choice, that's fine and dandy. I can accept being mentally another gender and all, just not the surgery bit as a true change. I certaintly wouldn't stop someone from going for it, though.


Just a quibble over terminology, but basically gender is pretty much a fixed thing. It's sex that a person gets surgery to change, in order to have it match their in-born gender.

It generally goes that gender is of your identity, while sex is what you are physically. They aren't always the same thing.

Though debatably they can mean the same thing.