NationStates Jolt Archive

I posted not too long ago that society would be too PC if they took christ from christmas...well oddly enough it looks like that has happened.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47767


so we have a nativity scene...without jesus?????? just the animals..and a shepard....wow...talk about WTF(what the fudgesickles) stuff...

Let's hope they keep Malcom in Xmas or the Muslims might get upset.

Jesus isn't suppsed to be put in nativity scenes until christmas day, heathens.
*says the heretic*

That's just stupid. So now its just, Mas?

"Hey kids, wake up, it's Mas." God, I can't imagine having to hear that in person.

I posted not too long ago that society would be too PC if they took christ from christmas...well oddly enough it looks like that has happened.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47767


so we have a nativity scene...without jesus?????? just the animals..and a shepard....wow...talk about WTF(what the fudgesickles) stuff...

Nice unbiased article you have there. :rolleyes:

Why have the nativity scene at all?

Christmas existed as a holiday before the Christians adopted it.

Nice unbiased article you have there. :rolleyes:

Why have the nativity scene at all?

Christmas existed as a holiday before the Christians adopted it.


yes well north America existed before Europeans got here...does that mean we revert back to old Native Americanj names?look for the last 1600 yrs( ithink) christmas, the birth of Jesus, has been celebrated on december 25th. who cares about other origins? i mean it has been an ongoing tradition for 1600 yrs...and like you said..we adopted it..its ours now.we should be able to have our leader, Christ, to be represented at his own birth...

...and like you said..we adopted it..its ours now.we should be able to have our leader, Christ, to be represented at his own birth...

You may have adopyed it for 1600 years but corporate america owns it now and they will do with it what they do to all now corporately ownd holidays, shove it down our throat.

yes well north America existed before Europeans got here...does that mean we revert back to old Native Americanj names?look for the last 1600 yrs( ithink) christmas, the birth of Jesus, has been celebrated on december 25th. who cares about other origins? i mean it has been an ongoing tradition for 1600 yrs...and like you said..we adopted it..its ours now.we should be able to have our leader, Christ, to be represented at his own birth...

You can -- anyplace but government property or with government funds.

Even then you can, if you follow certain rules about what else you display.

Your persecution complex is just silly.

Let's hope they keep Malcom in Xmas or the Muslims might get upset.
Ha! I'm going to remember this one!

Actually, you've inadvertently brought up a good point...Christmas was also known as Xmas even when I was a little kid...people aren't whining about that...or is this persecution complex new and trendy?

Let's hope they keep Malcom in Xmas or the Muslims might get upset.

Sig worthy!

yes well north America existed before Europeans got here...does that mean we revert back to old Native Americanj names?

Yes.

Now.

You can -- anyplace but government property or with government funds.

Even then you can, if you follow certain rules about what else you display.

Your persecution complex is just silly.

if you follow certain rules about what else you display!!

Your persecution complex is just silly

ookaayyyy...

How about this?

opinionjournal.com BY JAMES TARANTO
Friday, December 2, 2005 3:58 p.m. EST]
(http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007629#atheist)

Now look at this report from the Deseret News of Salt Lake City:

A Texas-based atheist group has filed a federal lawsuit against the Utah Highway Patrol and the Utah Department of Transportation, demanding that crosses erected in honor of fallen UHP troopers be removed from highways on the principle of separation of church and state.

In the suit filed in U.S. District court Thursday, American Atheists Inc., a nonprofit Texas corporation with main offices based out of New Jersey, says several of the 12-foot steel crosses memorializing troopers killed in the line of duty are located on public land in violation of the establishment clause of the First Amendment. . . .

"Generally speaking, the crosses are to memorialize these officers who have given the ultimate sacrifice to the state," UHP spokesman Jeff Nigbur said. Nigbur said a large number of the crosses are located on private property near public highways.

As for the religious symbolism, Nigbur said, the cross symbol was chosen as a general symbol to memorialize the fallen.

"We chose the cross because the cross is the international sign of peace, and it has no religious significance in it," Nigbur said.

"I think that's less than honest," said Salt Lake civil rights attorney Brian Barnard, who represents the atheists.

Maybe atheists would have an easier time winning acceptance if they didn't act like such jerks all the time.


Atheist Jerk Watch (http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007639)
Some readers took offense at our item Friday in which we accused atheists of acting "like jerks all the time." We were engaging in a little hyperbole, but we think we're entitled. As we have written, we are not a religious believer. What's more, we used to be a militant atheist, from roughly age 5 through 17, when we realized that militant atheism is silly and that being a militant atheist is tantamount to, well, being a jerk.

Why I'm Rooting for the Religious Right
Secular liberals show open contempt for traditionalists. (http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006648)

BY JAMES TARANTO
Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT ]
I am not a Christian, or even a religious believer, and my opinions on social issues are decidedly middle-of-the-road. So why do I find myself rooting for the "religious right"? I suppose it is because I am put off by self-righteousness, closed-mindedness, and contempt for democracy and pluralism--all of which characterize the opposition to the religious right.


To see context, click on links...

Seems to me that the intolerance and closed-mindedness of the anti-religious is a sure-fire recipe for ignorance and foolishness, as well as jerky behaviour.

And why are there so many similar instances of things like this?

HOLIDAY BLUES
'Silent Night' secularized
School changes beloved Christmas carol to 'Cold in the Night' with all new lyrics (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47784)

And even articles/editorials by Jewish writers?

Exclusive: Burt Prelutsky says anti-Semitism
being replaced with rampant anti-Christianity (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47775)

So who says Christians have a persecution complex?

When they are out to get you, you aren't paranoid...:(

I posted not too long ago that society would be too PC if they took christ from christmas...well oddly enough it looks like that has happened.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47767


so we have a nativity scene...without jesus?????? just the animals..and a shepard....wow...talk about WTF(what the fudgesickles) stuff...
Bunch of n00bs, don't even know the calender for when you are supposed to put stuff in the nativity scene.

Yes.

Now.
So now we need Indian names? Ok, I'll be Drinks Fire Water while Sharing the Wealth and Disappearing.

There's no Jesus in my nativity scene. That's more because my grandmother "accidently" knocked it over last X-mas in a turkey related dispute...

No, having a traditional nativity scene without Jesus doesn't quite make sense. However, all this whining about atheists persecuting the innocent and helpless majority is not really called for.

THe problem is that people misunderstand the separateion of church and state. The idea is that politics and religion are kept seperate. But instead, because the state is christian, they decide to seperate the state from christianity. No one bitches about a Buddha, or a statue of Vishnu, but christian icons are wrongly viewed as offensive to other faiths, and atheists.

Church and state are seperated so that we can have religious freedom. A nativity scene does not impinge non christians religious freedom, it is a celebration of religious freedom. By removing jesus the state is becoming involved in church business, and is nolonger seperate. Just as politics must be protected from religion, so religious freedom must be protected from the politicians.

I'm an atheist and theyve gone too far for even me.

THe problem is that people misunderstand the separateion of church and state. The idea is that politics and religion are kept seperate. But instead, because the state is christian, they decide to seperate the state from christianity. No one bitches about a Buddha, or a statue of Vishnu, but christian icons are wrongly viewed as offensive to other faiths, and atheists.

When's the last time you saw Vishnu in front of a courthouse in the US?

*sighs* Is any OTHER country having this silly non-war about a holiday?

A few things, the 'birthday' of Jesus was set on the 25th to take over Roman winter solstice holidays. The 25th was Natalis Solis Invincti (and/or Saturnalia depending). The date wasn't set until the 4th century. The tree is a pagan symbol, from Germanic tribes actually. The yule log has its orgins in Celtic celebrations. Hell, giving gifts seems to come from Druidism.

The largest threat against Christmas was fundimental Christians. The Puritans banned the holiday, which they considered secular and disrespectful, during Crommwell's England, and the pilgrams in America also had it outlawed in their settlements.

Thankfully the sailors in Jamestown and Virginia, liked the idea of getting drunk during Christmas and kept the 'holy' tradition.

Santa Claus developed out of a couple different ideas, only one of them Christian (kinda) and then got an odd marrage to St Nicolas.

In other words, Christmas itself isn't a 'Beloved Christian tradition of family and relgion from December 25, 3 AD (Or BC, the date is way off)'. It never really was! Like the dream of a totally Christian (or Diest) America at the founding, the reality is far different.

Beyond that, Easter is, of course the far more important holiday. It wasn't important that Jesus was born, but that He died for our sins, lay dead for three days, then rose again to asscend into Heaven having boght forgiveness with His blood. THAT'S what's important, not the damn sheep in the manger.

Besides, if anyone feels THAT threatened over someone saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, you REALLY need to examine your faith, if it is that weak.

Happy Holidays
Joyous Kwanzaa
Happy Hanukah
Happy New Years
Joyous Agnostica
Happy Festivus
And Merry Christmas!

We need to celebrate Festivus. That would solve everything. :)

Happy Holidays
Joyous Kwanzaa
Happy Hanukah
Happy New Years
Joyous Agnostica
And Merry Christmas!


You forgot Festivus! Why are my people always oppressed? :p


edit: damn you LG, you beat me by a hair...

Christmas was the biggest pagan holiday on the Roman "Astrological" calendar. It had nothing to do with Christan religion. The Roman Catholic church saw that pagan celebration to make it a soap box for change. so they just changed the name around and VIOLA.. we have christmas....

oh yeah. and Jesus was actually born in the Springtime.

you people need to know your history.

pffft.. religion.

You forgot Festivus! Why are my people always oppressed? :p


edit: damn you LG, you beat me by a hair...

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif

We need to celebrate Festivus. That would solve everything. :)
If Festivus, why not Saturnalia? What've you got against that camp?

Religious bigotry abounds.... :p

Nice unbiased article you have there. :rolleyes:

Why have the nativity scene at all?

Christmas existed as a holiday before the Christians adopted it.
I really hate to come in sounding like I'm on your side, but here it is anyway.

I go to church. But we don't celebrate Christmas as anything other than a secular holiday. Why? The Bible doesn't tell us when Christ was born. At least not to the extent that we can say it was the day of December 25th.

You know what else? We don't do Easter, either. Same reasons.

Christmas is just a greeting card/ department store holiday that some folks like to associate with the birth of Christ. If you're Christian, you should be living every day like Christmas or Easter. You shouldn't need a special day for celebrating Christ's birth or resurrection. So, it matters little to me whether we decide to light the Holiday Tree or the Christmas Tree this year.

Sorry about the preaching. I couldn't make it come out any other way.

i'm not a religious person, at all. However, without jesus and such the nativity scene becomes a stable. It has nothing to do with the holidays at all. The nativity shouldn't have been up in the first place, but getting rid of jesus makes it by far the stupidest nativity ever.:headbang:

Now, now, I'm not persecuting Christians. That mural of Nietzsche, Darwin, and Marx burning down a church I painted was just a joke, as are the bumper stickers saying "God is dead" and "Religion is the opiate of the masses". I mean, so what if I plan on eventually banning Christianity or that I long for the day when every schoolchild has read Thus Spake Zarathustra, Origin of a Species, and The Communist Manifesto by the age of 10. That isn't persecution.

When's the last time you saw Vishnu in front of a courthouse in the US?
ZING!

If you like Rage Against The Machine, come to my region, Alied Rage Against The Machine.
For those of you who don't know what it is, Rage is a VERY GOOD band. This is one of their more famous songs.
http://app2.sonymusic.com/sme/master...4290358,00.ram

I posted not too long ago that society would be too PC if they took christ from christmas...well oddly enough it looks like that has happened.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47767


so we have a nativity scene...without jesus?????? just the animals..and a shepard....wow...talk about WTF(what the fudgesickles) stuff...

W.......T.......F.......!

Without Jesus, the nativity is just ole Mcdonald's barnyard pals.

Without Jesus, the nativity is just ole Mcdonald's barnyard pals.

That reminds me of this.

http://t3amss.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/thecreepyburgerking.jpg.w300h162.jpg