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Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

I don't know how. Give me a step-by-step instruction guide.

Also, answer this riddle:

A woman has two children. Now, a homicidal maniac tells her she can only keep one. Which one does she let him kill?

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

I just got a phone call from Jesussaves and he asked me to tell you that he wants his gimick back. :rolleyes:

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

So I don't have any chance of sharing the same pew with you.

I'm Muslim, I don't see why you want them to convert to Christianity but not Islam.

I mean, just let them be.

A woman has two children. Now, a homicidal maniac tells her she can only keep one. Which one does she let him kill?
Neither. She maces him then stabs him to death with a hairpin.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.
Because they're athiests.

that is very kind of you to let up

:fluffle:

I don't know how. Give me a step-by-step instruction guide.

Also, answer this riddle:

A woman has two children. Now, a homicidal maniac tells her she can only keep one. Which one does she let him kill?

Go to your nearest Christian church on Sundays, get The Bible, Become a member of the Church you go to on Sundays, pray to God every night, and live you life like a good Christian would.

Neither. She maces him then stabs him to death with a hairpin.

Trick question. The answer is....the ugly one.

HAHAHAHAHA;)

I'm not converting, because....
You know, it would be hard, praying, going to church, believing in god.
Oh also: I don't like to be told what to do

I won't convert to Xtianity until they admit that I'm not responsible for anyone else in anyway, drop the concept of universal unconditional love, quit being so sanctimonious, realize that forgiveness is a fool's game, abandon the illusion of non-violence, and adopt a system that embraces the human potential in the face of danger.
So basically, I'll become a Christian when the Christian Church quits being Christian.

Go to your nearest Christian church on Sundays, get The Bible, Become a member of the Church you go to on Sundays, pray to God every night, and live you life like a good Christian would.
If I ate the bible, would it be blasphemy for destroying God's word or Saintly because I am truly absorbing his words?

Go to your nearest Christian church on Sundays, get The Bible, Become a member of the Church you go to on Sundays, pray to God every night, and live you life like a good Christian would.

I don't have to read the Bible, just get it? And what about the Satanic Church of Christ which actually believes that Jesus was the son of Satan? Would that qualify? And when I pray I often have random bouts of flatulence. Would this anger God? Because then I'd need to put a plug up there as to not offend him. I really want to try, I'm afraid that my heathenistic ways will lead to a hellfire that even I can't hellenize.

Because its not needed.

Was it Jesus intent to start a new religion? No- Jesus was opposed to religion. Religion is a system of rules that too often devalues and oppresses people. Religion is too often a system of dead rituals that never satisfy the deep longings of our soul. Religion too often creates a sense of guilt with no sense of love or forgiveness.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.
Because there is no evidence to believe that a god exists. I won't accept the existence of god without evidence any more than I'll accept the existence of fairies, leprechauns or the great pumpkin.

Do you believe in the Great Pumpkin, Loyal Christians? If you don't then maybe you shouldn't believe in god either.

Neither. She maces him then stabs him to death with a hairpin.
Yeah, but which child does she do that to?

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

First, I am a Christian. Secondly, if you don't know the answer to your question by now you would be better off asking your pastor "Why won't atheists convert?" than asking the atheists themselves. You will only get the same tired answers they have previously posted, and you will give only the same tired answers the Christians have given before.

If you are looking to convert someone, you aren't going to do it here. You will end up on the defensive not the offensive. However, if this is what "clicks your clock," go for it.

Go to your nearest Christian church on Sundays, get The Bible, Become a member of the Church you go to on Sundays, pray to God every night, and live you life like a good Christian would.
Sorry, I'm allergic to pointless guilt and waking up early on sundays.

Yeah, but which child does she do that to?
Oh. The disabled one. She's very much into eugenics, you see. :eek:

EDIT: Also, are you controlling this puppet as well, dude? If so, then Jesussaves>this one anyday.

Because there is no evidence to believe that a god exists. I won't accept the existence of god without evidence any more than I'll accept the existence of fairies, leprechauns or the great pumpkin.

Do you believe in the Great Pumpkin, Loyal Christians? If you don't then maybe you shouldn't believe in god either.

it's time for this link

http://www.venganza.org/index.htm
:D

Goddamnit!

Will people ever stop trying to convert everyone else and let it all lie!

Geez, I mean, who are you to say that you're right! I'm Christian, I know a lot of non Christians, some of whom have really interesting outlooks on life, death and everything in between!

Why convert, it takes the spice out of life! If you can prove that the Christian God is the one and only true god, then everyone will convert, but not before...

Goddamnit!

Will people ever stop trying to convert everyone else and let it all lie!

Geez, I mean, who are you to say that you're right! I'm Christian, I know a lot of non Christians, some of whom have really interesting outlooks on life, death and everything in between!

Why convert, it takes the spice out of life! If you can prove that the Christian God is the one and only true god, then everyone will convert, but not before...


hurray for understanding people:fluffle:

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

1. When "god" shows me proof of his existance.
2. When christans stop telling people what to learn. ie evolution, because there is no god to tell animals how to evolve.
3. I would only convert, If heaven was something to look forward to.

EVERYBODY HEAVEN IS NOT FUN.. IT'S EXTREMLY BORING ACCORDING TO CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS.

IT'S A STATE OF NIRVANA, NOT WANTING AND YOU ARE ALONE WITH GOD THAT WHOLE TIME UNITL THE END OF THE WORLD THAN YOUR SOUL WOULD LIVE IN THE CITY OF JERESULEM...

(semi-comical ending) Better save some rent money... apartments in Jeruslem can be pretty expensive.

I'm a Buddhist.

I consider Christianity to be the main source of all our social ills in America today.

If the entire religion were to be destroyed tomorrow I would shed no tears for it's death.

Christianity is the greatest threat to Modern Civilization, period.

SNIP...Oh also: I don't like to be told what to do

Don't join the military. :D

Sorry, I'm allergic to pointless guilt and waking up early on sundays.

Ah, Catholic guilt, the reason why so many young Irish boys refuse to go to the Opticians...

hurray for understanding people:fluffle:


Thank you!

http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg
LMAO

Don't join the military. :D

jajaj!!

oh yeah. another point.

if your a fundementalist in any christian religion.. if you kill even in the army, you'll go to hell because you broke a commandment! If you kill anyone of course.

just a fact they always miss.

I'm a Buddhist.


Christianity is the greatest threat to Modern Civilization, period.

I would have to agree with that.

I would call myself atheist. I just dont have a religion. But if I were to pick one, Buddhist would be my first choice.

Anything you can point me to for info on it?

EVERYBODY HEAVEN IS NOT FUN.. IT'S EXTREMLY BORING ACCORDING TO CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS.

:confused: Could you explain to me what "Christian teachings" say that Heaven is not fun?

LMAO
That is almost as Fresh and in my Face as the first 1000 times I've seen it. If I were given the choice between the "humorous" FSM and being ass-raped by Jerry Falwell, my only concern would be how quickly Jerry Falwell could get the condoms and lube.

I'm a Buddhist.

Do you eat meat or kill bugs?

:sniper: Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.
Because you can't spell convert...

:confused: Could you explain to me what "Christian teachings" say that Heaven is not fun?
Well for one thing everyone's deaf and blind up there.

(1b) 1 Clem 34:8
For [the Scripture] saith, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which He hath prepared for them that wait for Him." [ANF]

- Cuts self short from feeding the troll -

If you'd genuinely like to have a Jesus follower's reason for rejecting Christianity, Loyal, I would be willing to give a proper and full reason for doing so. Personally, though, I doubt you're that interested in anyone who doesn't fit into your black-and-white model of "Us Against Them". Who knows, though; I could be pleasantly surprised.

Do you eat meat or kill bugs?

Your confusing Buddhism with Jainism.

Buddhism doesn't REQUIRE you be a veggitarian or not to kill bugs (unless your a Monk or a Nun) but Jainism does.

:confused: Could you explain to me what "Christian teachings" say that Heaven is not fun?
I always viewed Heaven as a boring place where you sit around and are constantly filled with vague amusement while you pal around with God. Which leaves me to believe that God is the biggest drug dealer ever.
On the other hand, some of the more recent interpretations off Hell I've seen (basically, that Hell sucks because all the people in Hell are evil and run around killing each other) seem like it could be kind of cool.

Ah, Catholic guilt, the reason why so many young Irish boys refuse to go to the Opticians...

ROFLAMO. I'm 62 year old "Irish Catholic boy" and have been wearing glasses since I was 40. Could it be a delayed reaction to what I did when I was a teenager? I thought getting three "Hail Mary's and three "Our Father's" on Saturday night was enough and ....:eek:

On the other hand, some of the more recent interpretations off Hell I've seen (basically, that Hell sucks because all the people in Hell are evil and run around killing each other) seem like it could be kind of cool.

Well, since you already died once and came back in Hell, mabye you can die over and over. Which means you have to respawn somewhere before you can go out killing again with infinite lives, making Hell the ultimate video game!

I'm religious but I'm not a Christian.

I used to be. Fundamentalist whackjob Christians like yourself drove me away.

The god that Christians worship claims to be loving but damns decent people to hell for completely arbitrary reasons (like being GAY). I refuse to worship a malevolent being. If the fundy x-tians turn out to be right, oh well, I'd rather be in hell than in heaven with all of them.

I am a heathen. And I also think that we heathens make better lovers, because we aren't prudes.

As for atheists... they don't believe in god(s) or anything, so why would they join any religion, let alone one as obnoxiously hateful as Evangelist Christianity? I don't think Jesus himself would become a Christian with today's fundamentalist Christian views.

Because, every single christian I have ever met has screwed me over very painfully. The most recent was when they lied to the police about something because I refused to accept jesus as my lord and savior. I got in serious trouble because they lied. I don't want to be a part of something as corrupt as that. I know they only represent the minority, but still, I refuse to let them win.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

1. Becasue there is no reason to convert.

2. Because Christianity is illogical and sometimes immoral.

Okay, I grew up as a catholic.
Than I went to protestant church after that.. now nothing.

However, the general assumption is that in heaven you look like yourself without any wounds. The age you look is not known.

However, heaven is not like "I WANT 33 KILOGRAMS OF ICE CREAM" and you get it. Heaven is the state of not wanting according to religious leaders of those two mentioned religions.

It's like you're in a grassy feild and you feel like you're in an electric blanked, all warm and fuzzy that whole time. Thats the good part. however, there is no other people until the end of the world than you live in the city a jeresulem and than god makes another earth where there is no satan or evil. It would be extremly boring in heaven. No contact with other souls. no wanting. you would litterally probally be in one spot until the end of earth. However, this is basing my point on my current human needs. If you did not want to move, know anything, or have a need for communication with other people it would not be that bad. But just... really. they preach HEAVEN=ANYTHING AND EVERTHING YOU WANT THAT YOU COULD NOT GET IN LIFE.

I mean who really looks forward to being... nothing?

Well, since you already died once and came back in Hell, mabye you can die over and over. Which means you have to respawn somewhere before you can go out killing again with infinite lives, making Hell the ultimate video game!

Sweet!

Now, how to get into hell?

Almost all religions believe in the existance of a God. Couldn't it be possible that all these different god's are one and the same and that it's down to how we interpret what was written/beliefs/stories passed down from generation to generation.

As far as atheists go, well, what do you believe, just as a matter of interest, happens after death? I hate the thought of living through pain, sadness, anger, etc, etc, without at least a slap on the back to say 'well done, you made it', although I don't believe in Heaven in the conventional sense, no fluffy white clouds, angels with wings and spending eternity with God. But I do believe that there's a spiritual plane beyond this one...

Your confusing Buddhism with Jainism.

Buddhism doesn't REQUIRE you be a veggitarian or not to kill bugs (unless your a Monk or a Nun) but Jainism does.

Thank you for clarifying that.

I always viewed Heaven as a boring place where you sit around and are constantly filled with vague amusement while you pal around with God. Which leaves me to believe that God is the biggest drug dealer ever.
On the other hand, some of the more recent interpretations off Hell I've seen (basically, that Hell sucks because all the people in Hell are evil and run around killing each other) seem like it could be kind of cool.

Exactly! jaja!
In the waining days on my belief hell was more pleasing to me than heaven.
Partially because I'm Bi and hell is discribed as a repeat of all your sins.. so it's like WOAH SEX and because you are more human in hell. you still have needs.

ROFLAMO. I'm 62 year old "Irish Catholic boy" and have been wearing glasses since I was 40. Could it be a delayed reaction to what I did when I was a teenager? I thought getting three "Hail Mary's and three "Our Father's" on Saturday night was enough and ....:eek:

Ah possibly, it depends on the frequency of the action...

... seem like it could be kind of cool.

It is only cool because a preacher that was sent there (I won't name him but the initials are J.B) raised enough money to air condition the place. :D

Because, every single christian I have ever met has screwed me over very painfully. The most recent was when they lied to the police about something because I refused to accept jesus as my lord and savior. I got in serious trouble because they lied. I don't want to be a part of something as corrupt as that. I know they only represent the minority, but still, I refuse to let them win.

Ah, they'll have to answer for it sometime...this life or the next. Maybe they'll be reincarnated into a lab rat in our neuroscience lab and have electrodes and tetanus toxin shoved into his brain and then have people watch while he slowly dies over the course of a month or so. I always like to think up horrible things that could happen to the people who piss me off in their next lives...

The god that Christians worship claims to be loving but damns decent people to hell for completely arbitrary reasons (like being GAY). I refuse to worship a malevolent being.

God does not condem anyone to hell any more than a judge condems someone to jail. A person, by their actions condem themselves in both cases.

Some people don't consider being homosexual a sin while others do, and that is OK in my book. Everyone has the right to beleive whatever they want. However, no one has the right to shove their belief down the throat of another.

God does not condem anyone to hell any more than a judge condems someone to jail. A person, by their actions condem themselves in both cases.
So in essence, Judge Judy is god!?!?!?!?!?:eek:

Yare yare..I feel like quoting Nietzsche.

"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."

"The very word 'Christianity' is a misunderstanding — in truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."

"I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct for revenge for which no expedient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty — I call it the one mortal blemish of mankind."

"'Faith' means not wanting to know what is true"

"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time."

"Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity."


Dont take me wrong though, I'm christian. Well, kinda. The thing is, most christians are retards. Very sad.

Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. However, no one has the right to shove their belief down the throat of another.

Relief, someone else who has the same outlook on this as I do! As I've already said, variety is the spice of life, if someone believes in something which is different from what I believe in, who are they hurting?

Well, at least he's still ignoring agnostics...

I have a theory.

Christians are paranoid.

There so afraid of change and have been for so long they feel like everyone is out to kill their religion.

So they lash out at everything and everyone and accuse them of being 'godless heathens' or something like that just to so they feel that they are "fighting back".

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

Please don't spam in my name. You're embarrassing me.

Dont take me wrong though, I'm christian. Well, kinda. The thing is, most christians are retards. Very sad.

I find this one a little offensive. It's not that the vast majority are retards, it's just that some of them are so completely blind to the fact that they might, just might, be wrong about this whole religion situation, that it might appear that they're as thick as a 2x4, particularly here in the US. However, in Europe, people tend to be a little more liberal these days - at least from my perspective. It's unfortunate that Muslims are being targeted racially, but that's a consequence of the terrorist attacks on the US, Bali, Spain, and most recently, London, and it's down to a very small number of prejudiced youths who have nothing better to live for

Yes, I'm an atheist, as it is called.


This is my view and opinion on these things, I am entitled to have my own opinions and views on things.
You are under no right to call my opinions or belives for false or untrue, since they only affect me and no one else.
If you however calls my opinions ands views untrue or false, then you do understand that you show no understanding for other persons and needs some common sense.


Become a christian!?
no thank you, I value my own thinking brain too much to settle down with one poorly explained religion.
The thing about christianity is that it is created and manipulated by human beings, and we all knows how corrupt and untrustworthy humans can be.
Do I have to mention the whole pope thingie?
Just look what stand they took under WW2.
Yes, they said they were sorry.
better late then never, huh?
But the pope said it, and the pope is here to represent god.
and god is never wrong, is he now?
And there I think I created a paradox.
But christians seems to be immune to such things, maybe because they are blinded by the light (come on, laught a little. don't be so seriouse all the time)
But one thing that fascinates me with atheists is that they tend to know more about the bible and the religion then those that follows it (This does not include the fanatics of the religion).

So the basic line why I wont convert to christianity is that I do very well without turning to a god.

And if there is a god, then ok.
It is a god.
no big deal, I will continue on with my things anyway.


And since I suspect that most of you have already forgotten what I stated in the beginning, I will do so again.

This is my view and opinion on these things, I am entitled to have my own opinions and views on things.
You are under no right to call my opinions or belives for false or untrue, since they only affect me and no one else.
If you however calls my opinions ands views untrue or false, then you do understand that you show no understanding for other persons and needs some common sense.

[puts on flame proof suit]

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

Now, how to get into hell?
Don't worry, we all get there eventually.
And to the people worrying about their eyesight, no fear. We won't need eyes where we're going.

So in essence, Judge Judy is god!?!?!?!?!?:eek:

You could say that but only in cases of civil law. :)

Please don't spam in my name. You're embarrassing me.

And you are committing blasphemy. :(

I have a theory.

Christians are paranoid.

There so afraid of change and have been for so long they feel like everyone is out to kill their religion.

So they lash out at everything and everyone and accuse them of being 'godless heathens' or something like that just to so they feel that they are "fighting back".

No, I wouldn't say that either. OK, I know that the number of people attending church is dropping dramatically, but the Catholic church needs to pull itself out of the dark ages and into the 21st century.
More so, I think Christians have a history of believing that every community they convert to their own religion means one more community saved from damnation. Unfortunately, they were probably quite happy following whatever God they were originally following and the Christians screwed it up, yet again. Do a quick Google for the Crusades, shouldn't be hard to find a little info on 'Saving the Holy Land', despite the fact that it was Jewish, and Christianity wouldn't be around if it weren't for the Jewish faith, and that Jesus was indeed himself Jewish

God does not condem anyone to hell any more than a judge condems someone to jail. A person, by their actions condem themselves in both cases.

Some people don't consider being homosexual a sin while others do, and that is OK in my book. Everyone has the right to beleive whatever they want. However, no one has the right to shove their belief down the throat of another.

The god the fundamentalist Christians worship is a Draconian judge in that case.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

Why won't you sell your soul to Satan?

Why won't you sell your soul to Satan?

Ah, that would be forsaking God. And getting something for your soul would be commiting one of the seven deadly sins - Greed

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.


I'll tell you... I'm a political person...

And I'm more on the right side then the left.. on the status Quo.
Secondly of all, I find your religion to be pretty prejudice compared to others.

And lastly, I find the Nazi Ideaology and The Christian faith to have alot in common Ironically.

I'm nnearly sure that putting oters down is a sin in the Christian faith. So Loyal Christians, you can't be much of a Christian if you're unwilling to respect others. Remember the words of Christ - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Ah, that would be forsaking God. And getting something for your soul would be commiting one of the seven deadly sins - Greed

And yet, the Christian asks why the Atheist (for example) will not become a Christian...

The point I was trying (perhaps, ham-fistedly) to make... was that the Christian sees that it would be folly to enter into a sham relationship with this other philosophy... and yet can't seem to perceive how the same situation might apply for the Atheist?

I just don't like people who don't call back after you've left a message.

I'm nnearly sure that putting oters down is a sin in the Christian faith. So Loyal Christians, you can't be much of a Christian if you're unwilling to respect others. Remember the words of Christ - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


Now was I putting you down... No I was stating my Opinion.

If you can't take the pressure from a small opinion, then by all means... your an idoit.

By the way I ain't christian, I'm Animist.

I just don't like people who don't call back after you've left a message.

Hahahaha

lmao

Ah, that would be forsaking God. And getting something for your soul would be commiting one of the seven deadly sins - Greed

If you sell your soul to satan you dont get anything, satan just gets your soul.

If you sell your soul to satan you dont get anything, satan just gets your soul.
I call a violation of the trade description act on that.

That Satan, worse than dodgy builders...:p

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
Are you quoting Jeebus? :eek:

Elgesh']I call a violation of the trade description act on that.

That Satan, worse than dodgy builders...:p
Yeah, how dare he oppose the almighty Capitalism that rules our planet!

His villainy knows no bound!:p

Are you quoting Jeebus? :eek:
Samuel L. Jackson. Same difference.

Samuel L. Jackson. Same difference.

I have accepted Samuel L. Jackson as my lord and savior! And I will whine and moan until you all follow my ways and no on elses!

JOIN S.L.JACKISM!

I have accepted Samuel L. Jackson as my lord and savior! And I will whine and moan until you all follow my ways and no on elses!

JOIN S.L.JACKISM!
For his is the wallet that says "Bad motherfucker". Amen

http://www.mess.be/badmotherfuckerwallet/

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.
For the same reason as I haven't converted to Judaism, $cientology, Wiccanism, Satanism or Islam.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

Frankly the God described in your bible has borderline personality disorder at the least. He is arrogant, bad-tempered, violent, self-indulgent and very petty.

All I have to do to get into this so called heaven is worship him, and have blind faith that dispite his past actions (as documented in the bible) he has only my best interests at heart. It matters not what kind of life I live, it doesn't matter how good I try to live or how evil my actions. Get on my knees and devote myself to him and I gain entry. Sounds like a system setup to maximize servitude and facilitate slavery. Doesn't sound like a place I want to go.

Go to your nearest Christian church on Sundays, get The Bible, Become a member of the Church you go to on Sundays, pray to God every night, and live you life like a good Christian would.

None of this actually has anything to do with actually being a Christian. These are Christian acts, but faith is the means to become a Christian. You didn't even mention it. Nothing in your steps about accepting Christ as the Savior or even as existing. You just gave a guide on how to pretend to be a Christian. That says a lot.

None of this actually has anything to do with actually being a Christian. These are Christian acts, but faith is the means to become a Christian. You didn't even mention it. Nothing in your steps about accepting Christ as the Savior or even as existing. You just gave a guide on how to pretend to be a Christian. That says a lot.
Maybe it's Pat Robertson or Fred Phelps?

None of this actually has anything to do with actually being a Christian. These are Christian acts, but faith is the means to become a Christian. You didn't even mention it. Nothing in your steps about accepting Christ as the Savior or even as existing. You just gave a guide on how to pretend to be a Christian. That says a lot.
Belief will come if you act like that long enough. After a time, actions become habits, and then habits become a part of your personality.

If you sell your soul to satan you dont get anything, satan just gets your soul.

Satan doesn't get anything either. Your soul is not yours to sell.

Belief will come if you act like that long enough. After a time, actions become habits, and then habits become a part of your personality.

Faith is not a result of repetition. Habit is a result of repitition and the actions may become a part of personality, but faith requires belief. Homosexuals have married and spend long portions of their lives pretending to be heterosexual. They may have developed a habit of pretending but they never actually WERE heterosexual.

Faith is not a result of repetition. Habit is a result of repitition and the actions may become a part of personality, but faith requires belief. Homosexuals have married and spend long portions of their lives pretending to be heterosexual. They may have developed a habit of pretending but they never actually WERE heterosexual.
Once it is a part of your personality, you couldn't change it anyway, so does it matter? If anyone on the outside sees you as Straight-man, do desires that you have quashed through years of marriage really matter anymore?

Christianity is the most evil death-causing religion on earth. This is undisputable...well evil is an opinion, but the rest is true. :D

Once it is a part of your personality, you couldn't change it anyway, so does it matter? If anyone on the outside sees you as Straight-man, do desires that you have quashed through years of marriage really matter anymore?

They do to you, to your ego, to how you see, value and respect yourself.

It's no stretch to see how your immortal soul would be affected in the same way in the case of 'pretending' to be a christian.

And you are committing blasphemy. :(

Most certainly I tell you that tonight, before the rooster
crows, you will deny me twice more.

Elgesh']They do to you, to your ego, to how you see, value and respect yourself.

It's no stretch to see how your immortal soul would be affected in the same way in the case of 'pretending' to be a christian.
I suppose that such thoughts would occur to me more often if I actually had a soul, immortal or otherwise.
I can't really feel love or belief anyway, so maybe you've got a better perspective on this situation.

Once it is a part of your personality, you couldn't change it anyway, so does it matter? If anyone on the outside sees you as Straight-man, do desires that you have quashed through years of marriage really matter anymore?

They aren't quashed. That's the point. That is why you see people coming out after twenty years of marriage. It doesn't become something you can't change. It becomes a habit that can be adjusted the same way it was created.

Also, whether you actually have faith or pretend to isn't going to be judged by someone who can only see the outside so there is no 'for all practical purposes" argument that holds any water. What you actually think and believe is exactly the point in the case of faith? Appearances have no bearing.

Once it is a part of your personality, you couldn't change it anyway, so does it matter? If anyone on the outside sees you as Straight-man, do desires that you have quashed through years of marriage really matter anymore?

Yep, they do.

Most certainly I tell you that tonight, before the rooster
crows, you will deny me twice more.

You're trolling. Knock it off. It may be humorous to you, but it's only going to get yourself in trouble.

Once it is a part of your personality, you couldn't change it anyway, so does it matter? If anyone on the outside sees you as Straight-man, do desires that you have quashed through years of marriage really matter anymore?

...? once what is part of your personality?
I donno where your going here but I'll go off on a tangent now.
Homosexuality is the result of a low testosterone levels during devlopment of a fetus. These low levels are resulted from the woman undergoing mental/emotional stress during the pregnency. A moderately low level of this will cause bisexuality or a more "masculine" homosexual. Higher levels will result in a "femme" homosexual and the highest levels result in a "transgendered" individual- a person who is transgendered -is- a male in a females body or vice-versa.

There are ways to "change" a persons "sexuality" by giving them either male or female hormones. But these are only tests being done at universities but they have shown that they are able to change peoples desires using hormones.

Sexuality.. is also a product of these monothestic religions. Before most religions other than judiasim were spread... there was no defination of sexuality. The term did not exist... people loved who they wanted to love.

It goes to show how religion negatively effects the world today. It's more a hindernace than something pregressive.

So yes. it is true. "God" does "make" people gay.

...? once what is part of your personality?
Once doing something. I was refering to the addictive aspect of behaviour, but then you went into:
I donno where your going here but I'll go off on a tangent now.
Homosexuality is the result of a low testosterone levels during devlopment of a fetus. These low levels are resulted from the woman undergoing mental/emotional stress during the pregnency. A moderately low level of this will cause bisexuality or a more "masculine" homosexual. Higher levels will result in a "femme" homosexual and the highest levels result in a "transgendered" individual- a person who is transgendered -is- a male in a females body or vice-versa.

There are ways to "change" a persons "sexuality" by giving them either male or female hormones. But these are only tests being done at universities but they have shown that they are able to change peoples desires using hormones.

Sexuality.. is also a product of these monothestic religions. Before most religions other than judiasim were spread... there was no defination of sexuality. The term did not exist... people loved who they wanted to love.

It goes to show how religion negatively effects the world today. It's more a hindernace than something pregressive.

So yes. it is true. "God" does "make" people gay.
. . . And I can only say 0.o and tell you that my Biology and Biotech stuff in High School never went that far.

I'm Muslim, I don't see why you want them to convert to Christianity but not Islam.

I mean, just let them be.

Thank you "Colodia".

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.
Because I won't identify myself with people like you.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

Answer: Well, truth be told, it's not that I have anything against Jesus (how could I anyway, I've never met him.)

I don't really have anything against religion either (some people need something to believe in outside of themselves, and if that works for them, hey, no problem).

I have a problem with loud-mouthed slackjawed IDIOTS like yourself that waste oxygen spewing your "I'm right because I said so" garbage!

And the sad thing is, there are far more of theat type (in my experience) than otherwise (for those outside the submittier of this question, if you have been offended by this rant, I do apologize, and Merry Christmas to you).

/I know, that was a very bad thing for me to do
//But it felt so good to finally tell someone off about this subject.
///And now... SOUP!

Edit: I can't believe I just did this.... argh, but it did still feel good.

. . . And I can only say 0.o and tell you that my Biology and Biotech stuff in High School never went that far.

Sorry ^_^ I just.. like to look up this stuff...it's intresting. And considering I'm bisexual. yeah.... wanted to make sure my soul was properly damned.

First, I am a Christian. Secondly, if you don't know the answer to your question by now you would be better off asking your pastor "Why won't atheists convert?" than asking the atheists themselves. You will only get the same tired answers they have previously posted, and you will give only the same tired answers the Christians have given before.

If you are looking to convert someone, you aren't going to do it here. You will end up on the defensive not the offensive. However, if this is what "clicks your clock," go for it.

Hey...I only had to go 18 posts down in this thread to find a sensible comment.

Nearly a record for this kind of question. ;)

the state i live in levys extra taxes on christians, which are then given to the church. i want to keep my money.

As a short introduction, i was born Catholic. I do believe that there is "A" God somwhere out there. If it is THE god that is stated in the bible is something that has been debated for years and years. That said i believe in equality for all, unlike some people who preach the Catholic and Christian religion (i.e Prez Bush [the asshole]). I'm also learning a lot about other religion by reading and talking to people who believe in other forms of "God". My fiance, for example, believes in god but also believes in the goddess and a Native American religion due to the fact that she's part Ojibiway.

My oppinion though is that no one person believes in religion in the same way, people have their own way of showing whatever supernatural being they believe in that they do believe, and others just plain don't think there is any supernatural being out there. And to me, thats cool. People can make up their own minds and it is not up to one person to judge others based on their preferences in what they do or do not believe.

In conclusion, Believe in God or not, everyone should be equal.



Thank you.

As a short introduction, i was born Catholic. I do believe that there is "A" God somwhere out there. If it is THE god that is stated in the bible is something that has been debated for years and years. That said i believe in equality for all, unlike some people who preach the Catholic and Christian religion (i.e Prez Bush [the asshole]). I'm also learning a lot about other religion by reading and talking to people who believe in other forms of "God". My fiance, for example, believes in god but also believes in the goddess and a Native American religion due to the fact that she's part Ojibiway.

My oppinion though is that no one person believes in religion in the same way, people have their own way of showing whatever supernatural being they believe in that they do believe, and others just plain don't think there is any supernatural being out there. And to me, thats cool. People can make up their own minds and it is not up to one person to judge others based on their preferences in what they do or do not believe.

In conclusion, Believe in God or not, everyone should be equal.



Thank you.

Friend, if you drink, I think I owe you a beer!

Do you eat meat or kill bugs?

I have not made it all the way down the thread yet so maybe someone else addressed this too. But, as a Buddhist, I occassionally eat meat...and kill bugs. I accept that these actions may, in fact, have consequences. Though to be fair, Buddha was not a strict vegetarian...and only a small subset of Buddhists are.

Mmmh... convert to Christianity... mmm... what for?

You're trolling. Knock it off. It may be humorous to you, but it's only going to get yourself in trouble.

Actually, I for one think the Jesus posts are the best part of this thread so far...

I'm not technically an atheist (I'm a satanist) but the main reasons I won't convert are
1.repressing of your natural instincts such as lust
2.I've got beef with any religion that tells me that if I don't adapt to their way of thinking that I'm going to suffer for all eternity
3.I've also got beef with any religion that tells me I'm not good enough for god until I ask forgiveness for things I'm not sorry for
4.all the crazy, silly whackos :D

1.repressing of your natural instincts such as lust
By submitting to your instincts you adopt a harsher, more abusive, and ultimately more dangerous god then any that a Xtian might try and landd you with.

Most certainly I tell you that tonight, before the rooster
crows, you will deny me twice more.

OK, I understand now. You are the reincarnation of Jesussaves. :(

By submitting to your instincts you adopt a harsher, more abusive, and ultimately more dangerous god then any that a Xtian might try and landd you with.

it's more natural,I'm not advocating murder but I believe that if someone wrongs me I have every right to wrong them back.Besides, satanism has a lot of rules about keeping to yourself instead of looking for problems

I have not made it all the way down the thread yet so maybe someone else addressed this too. But, as a Buddhist, I occassionally eat meat...and kill bugs. I accept that these actions may, in fact, have consequences. Though to be fair, Buddha was not a strict vegetarian...and only a small subset of Buddhists are.

On a serious note, I wasn't thinking so much in the terms of vegetarianism but I have heard that Buddhists are against killing all forms of life. Is this true or not?

I'll give some views here, speaking as an atheist.

Nature gave humans the urge to have sex (lust). Nature also teaches humans to get along with one another. (We are social animals, just like apes, herd animals, and some types of insect like bees and ants.) Nature gave us natural instincts for a reason.

What nature did NOT give us is a particular religion. All kinds of religions exist on the planet. Ancient ones like Zoroastrianism and the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and derived religions such as Rastafarianism, Wahhabism [the sect practiced by murderous extremists like the Sa'udi Arabian government and Al-Qa'ida], and Branch Davidianism), non-theistic spiritualities like Confucianism and Buddhism, and nature worship.

So I would submit pretty much to my natural instincts to be a social animal and I don't think I would or should burn in Hell for it.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

I do not consider myself an atheist, however, I no longer consider myself a Christian. Read the following verse, in one's own Bible if so chosen:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
-- Matthew 5:17-20, The Teen Study Bible (NIV), Zondervan

As we see in this verse above, found in the Christian "New Testament," Jesus himself acknowledged and defended the continuing authority of the Tanakh/Torah ("Law," "Prophets") until "heaven and earth disappear." Since heaven and earth are still here, I can only conclude that the Tanakh/Torah continue to possess the same authority as they did since the days of Abraham.

If I ever find a Christian church that acknowledges this simple fact, teaching and practicing the continuing authority of the Tanakh/Torah; doing away with the bizzare, commercialized and unbiblical practices (like the big one coming up this month of December...), I might consider returning. Until then, I can only conclude that Christianity is a false religion composed of followers who do not understand their own scriptures.

Simply reading one's Bible will clearly show what religion Jesus intended his followers to practice. It is not this monstrosity people like to call "Christianity."

Flibble.

Why is "now" our chance, anyway? God in a hurry these days?

Just out of curiosity, why does the OP call out atheists? Why not non-Christians, generally? There's any number of possible reasons, and I'm just curious if there's any one in particular.

it's more natural
So is pissing in your mouth, but I don't see many religionss formed for that purpose
*resists urge to Google*
I'm not advocating murder but I believe that if someone wrongs me I have every right to wrong them back.Besides, satanism has a lot of rules about keeping to yourself instead of looking for problems
Satanism (We are talking about the Levay brand, right? Not some crazy mystic group?) looks a lot like an attempt at Institutionalized Anarcy. If you want to be true to yourself and your will, why not just do so as a run of the mill atheist?

http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg
LMAO

AH HA, pirates are causing global warming I knew it! There, that proves the exisistence of god. It's a miracle.

So is pissing in your mouth...

Natural for whom, exactly?

I mean... the dynamics are wrong, and it'd be inefficient and inaccurate...

I think this might not be a point many people would agree with you on?

Just out of curiosity, why does the OP call out atheists? Why not non-Christians, generally? There's any number of possible reasons, and I'm just curious if there's any one in particular.

You only get 10 celestial brownie points for converting a generic non-believer, you get 50 and a free toaster for an Atheist.

I was raised to be a christian, and it took me a long time to realize that it was all bullshit. I'll be damned (pardon the pun) if I ever go back.

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.

Because they don't want to.

Because they don't have to.

Because fundies such as yourself (no offense) frighten them.

Go to your nearest Christian church on Sundays, get The Bible, Become a member of the Church you go to on Sundays, pray to God every night, and live you life like a good Christian would.
uh.....wrong answer.

I hope you aren't serious with that really


Going to church and reading the Bible doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to Mc Donalds and sitting in a box makes you a Chicken Mc nugget.

as far as being good, none of us will ever be good enough, not even you. :(

You only get 10 celestial brownie points for converting a generic non-believer, you get 50 and a free toaster for an Atheist.
LOL Atheism Rules

:gundge:

I wont convert to Christianity because I enjoy human sacrifice and sex with goats too much.

I think I may just convert to Xtianity.

Just for the Hell of it.:p

Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.
Because of you.

Of course, I wouldn't convert even if it wasn't a thoroughly despicable institution of violent bigotry, hypocricy & prejudice, with a following of pathetic egocentric megalomanic narcisitic sado-masochists. Because I don't believe Jesus existed, I don't believe in anything supernatural, and the thought of letting my morals be dictated by an authority I cannot coallenge makes me want to vomit & strangle cute puppies.

Next idiotic question?

I'm Muslim, I don't see why you want them to convert to Christianity but not Islam.

I mean, just let them be.
Same, but substituting jew for muslim. It goes for any religion though. Leave us non-christians, most of whom aren't atheists, in peace.

Originally Posted by The Loyal Christians
Ok athiests now is your chance. Please tell me why you won't covert to Christianity.


Two reasons.

1. Its all bullshit.
God is a man made invention, designed to be a mental placebo for all of lifes questions that have no answers. This helps the weak-willed find solace.

2. Even if God existed, if the remote possibility existed that I could end up like you, trolling web forums and wasting peoples time, with some idealogical crap, all in order to gain converts to my religion, so that I feed my ego in the face of God, who condones this kind of rancid behaviour....that alone would, and has instantly turned me away from anything you have to offer.

A woman has two children. Now, a homicidal maniac tells her she can only keep one. Which one does she let him kill?
The ugly one. I saw that Family Guy.

'Cause Islam seems a better option, (lmao) my disbelief is my disbelief Hands off fundy... <G>

But within the same scope why don't you convert to atheism and give up your false god(s)

I can be be converted to Christianity.

Just demonstrate to me that Christianity is right or at least mostly right and I will convert.