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Following David Camerons election to the Leadership of the tory party, which party would you vote if their was an election tomorrow?

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I dislike just about every party in Britain:

Labour: I admire Blair, but can't stand most of his policies.

Liberal Democrats: Like a lot of their policies, but too woolly and annoying to win my vote.

Conservatives: Not in a month of Sundays, especially with that drug-addict, pompous creep Cameron leading them.

DUP: Admire the Rev. Ian, but don't like their demagoguery (although they're probably right about the IRA).

SDLP: Closest in political terms, but oppose the independance of Ulster.

SNP: Agree with a lot of policies, except Scottish independance.

RESPECT: Agree with most of their policies, but can't stand George Galloway (pretentious, hypocritical, snide, lying, two-faced, smug scumbag) and their tolerance of fundie Islamists, just to get the Muslim vote in their favour.

The Rest: Fairly uninspired really.

Overall, despite my dislikes, I'd vote for Labour as the lesser of several evils.

greens. we are running out of time.

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The only party in Britain I would ever vote for is the Scottish Socialist Party.

lib dems in Westminster elections, S.N.P in Holyrood

wouldnt vote labour to save my life. i like to keep my money for myself. i usaually vote UKIP for council and europe, tories in general election.

greens. we are running out of time.
amen.

used to be a labour supporter. no longer socialist.
then lib dem.
now greens cos whats the use in (even mild) socialism when the planet's gonna be fucked if we don't do something about it :confused:


its not really who leads the party i care about, but the policies and what the parties stand for, and they don't change as often as leaders of the torys do :p

If I lived over there, Monster Raving Looney Party. Politics is already a joke, may as well embrace it in a positive way. It's a shame we don't have one in the US. Not that they would get many votes in the one, err, two party system over here, either.

Hmmmm... Generally I reckon that the Lib Dems would tax everyone to death. I can't stand Euro sceptic parties, George Galloway is a pompous twit and Robert-kilroy Silk...well, he commplained about foreign influences changing "our national culture" and he called his own party a Latin name-Veritas!

If I lived over there, Monster Raving Looney Party. Politics is already a joke, may as well embrace it in a positive way. It's a shame we don't have one in the US. Not that they would get many votes in the one, err, two party system over here, either.
Yup. Only reason I didn't vote for them in the last election was because there was no Loony candidate standing in my constituency. Plenty of loonies, but no Loony.

Hmmmm... Generally I reckon that the Lib Dems would tax everyone to death. I can't stand Euro sceptic parties, George Galloway is a pompous twit and Robert-kilroy Silk...well, he commplained about foreign influences changing "our national culture" and he called his own party a Latin name-Veritas!
Ah, but you see, when something has been bastardising our culture for thousands of years, it is part of the culture. But when it's only been bastardising it for a few decades, it's obviously because of the filthy infidels coming over here and stealing our jobs.

Britain should just forego elections and install Dogburg II as PM for life. Just my two cents.

LibDems: no way in Hell am I voting labour again until they've got rid of Blair and started moving back towards the left. With the business back in July excusing the twerp from having to keep his word and stand down, that'll be a while yet.

no way in Hell am I voting labour again until they've got rid of Blair and started moving back towards the left.Assuming Gordon Brown takes over Blair's role, as is the current prediction, would you return to Labour? My understanding is that Brown is much more left-wing than Blair, but then that wouldn't be hard. However, much as I despise Blair, he must've had some spark that kept him in power for eight years to date. Brown strikes me as a deeply uncharismatic and, frankly, boring individual even though the economy has generally been alright under him.

The only main British party that ever run here in Northern Ireland are the Tories, but they have little to no chance of gaining seats here (though they came pretty close in the recent council elections). I would sooner have the choice of them, Labour and the Lib Dems as parties here can really have very little say in Westminster - even if one single party won every seat (which would never happen anyway), that would only be 26 out on 619 or something in total.

However, I've tended to vote Alliance as they are one of the few parties not divided by unionism/nationalism. That said, some of their policies I completely abhor, but then again that applies to just about all parties, whether in mainland GB or here.

I just could not vote Lib Dem, hard-working people would be taxed into nothingness.

Any other ideas?

We destroy the government and set up our own democracy. Everyone's seen how lax secruity is at the houses of parliment, how hard can it be?

Er no, although throwing out Blair and his pet poodle approach to politics wouldn't be so bad, at all.

We destroy the government and set up our own democracy. Everyone's seen how lax secruity is at the houses of parliment, how hard can it be?
You go in now, we'll follow in the new year. Ok?

You go in now, we'll follow in the new year. Ok?

I'm not fooling for that one again

Assuming Gordon Brown takes over Blair's role, as is the current prediction, would you return to Labour? My understanding is that Brown is much more left-wing than Blair, but then that wouldn't be hard. However, much as I despise Blair, he must've had some spark that kept him in power for eight years to date. Brown strikes me as a deeply uncharismatic and, frankly, boring individual even though the economy has generally been alright under him.

The only main British party that ever run here in Northern Ireland are the Tories, but they have little to no chance of gaining seats here (though they came pretty close in the recent council elections). I would sooner have the choice of them, Labour and the Lib Dems as parties here can really have very little say in Westminster - even if one single party won every seat (which would never happen anyway), that would only be 26 out on 619 or something in total.

However, I've tended to vote Alliance as they are one of the few parties not divided by unionism/nationalism. That said, some of their policies I completely abhor, but then again that applies to just about all parties, whether in mainland GB or here.
I weould vote for Brown, yeah. (I think most of the people who voted labour in the last election were under the impression that they were as well, to be honest.) Mind you, he's even more of a eurosceptic than Blair, but at least he's vaguely leftwing.

I just could not vote Lib Dem, hard-working people would be taxed into nothingness.I agree; I'm not against a system of social security nor a redistribution of wealth per se, but I am against people working their bollocks off and having pretty much fuck all to show for it. Effort with reward is not a very fair system in my eyes.

I also hate the Lib Dem policies on criminal justice (or, rather, lack of justice).

I agree with PM's point - what's the use in any of political ideology if we don't have a planet to show for it. So I'd be pretty happy to see the Greens in power for that reason alone...Not that it's going to happen, and not that I have a say living in Belfast! :mad:

ok lets get this down to business.

1. who hasnt taken coke
2. so what if he has
3. he probably hasnt
4. Blair is a civil rights destoying george bush rimming madman (bring back hunting)
5. The lib dems are dengerous and left wing
6. Cameron is the only one who can win
7. Higher tax and less civil rights or lower axes and more civil rights your choice
8. Who votes for a fourth party anyway wasted vote.
9. Scotland is a shithole
10. The conservatives have the answers
11. VOTE CONSERVATIVE

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even though you cant see me i can still see ya,
i run fasta quick like a ninja,
i am the masta,
flows that can rearrange ya,
flows that can cause disasta,
making paper,
bad behavia,
dont try test me now ive done told ya,
me and my crew weve come to blaze fire,
you can roll deep but we are roll deepa.

ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM
AND IF YOU DONT WANT HOLES IN YOUR BOAT DONT ROLL ON THE ROLL DEEP TEAM
NO NO NO YOU DONT YOU ONLY ROLL DEEP IN YOUR DREAMS
IF THATS WHAT YOUR TELLING ME
YOU MUST BE MY ENEMY
YOU DONT KNOW THE WORDS ON THE STREETZ.

ok lets get this down to business.

1. who hasnt taken coke
2. so what if he has
3. he probably hasnt
4. Blair is a civil rights destoying george bush rimming madman (bring back hunting)
5. The lib dems are dengerous and left wing
6. Cameron is the only one who can win
7. Higher tax and less civil rights or lower axes and more civil rights your choice
8. Who votes for a fourth party anyway wasted vote.
9. Scotland is a shithole
10. The conservatives have the answers
11. VOTE CONSERVATIVE

:mp5: :mp5: pow pow

even though you cant see me i can still see ya,
i run fasta quick like a ninja,
i am the masta,
flows that can rearrange ya,
flows that can cause disasta,
making paper,
bad behavia,
dont try test me now ive done told ya,
me and my crew weve come to blaze fire,
you can roll deep but we are roll deepa.

ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM
AND IF YOU DONT WANT HOLES IN YOUR BOAT DONT ROLL ON THE ROLL DEEP TEAM
NO NO NO YOU DONT YOU ONLY ROLL DEEP IN YOUR DREAMS
IF THATS WHAT YOUR TELLING ME
YOU MUST BE MY ENEMY
YOU DONT KNOW THE WORDS ON THE STREETZ.

i have to say, the second half of your post made a *lot* more sense than the first half.

Over the last few years I was happy to vote Labour considering they were putting out a nice government and mostly policies I could deal with, the higher taxes arn't too nice but improved NHS and Education are stuff I could get behind.

I really like the look of Cameron and the way he deals with politics. Now the Conservatives are getting their act together and if Brown comes to power my votes definatly back with the torries. Always dangerous to have one party in power too long and I'll agree with the point someone else made I'm all for a small bit of welfare and redistribution of wealth but taxing the hell outa the hardworking just isn't something I like to vote for.

Bit of Greens is always nice but you know all the main parties are acceping more enviromental positions and heck we always got the EU to force us to pick up the slack if we ever get to messy.

Bit of Greens is always nice but you know all the main parties are acceping more enviromental positions and heck we always got the EU to force us to pick up the slack if we ever get to messy.

the main parties (and the EU) will not do nearly enough. we have at max ten years before the chance to stop climate change is gone forever.

the main parties (and the EU) will not do nearly enough. we have at max ten years before the chance to stop climate change is gone forever.

Blair's actually raised the Nuclear issue and renewable enegy debate for once and Cameron listed the Enviroment as one of his areas to target. As I see it good progress.

Over the last few years I was happy to vote Labour considering they were putting out a nice government and mostly policies I could deal with, the higher taxes arn't too nice but improved NHS and Education are stuff I could get behind.

I really like the look of Cameron and the way he deals with politics. Now the Conservatives are getting their act together and if Brown comes to power my votes definatly back with the torries. Always dangerous to have one party in power too long and I'll agree with the point someone else made I'm all for a small bit of welfare and redistribution of wealth but taxing the hell outa the hardworking just isn't something I like to vote for.

Bit of Greens is always nice but you know all the main parties are acceping more enviromental positions and heck we always got the EU to force us to pick up the slack if we ever get to messy.

Talk to a teacher or a nurse, the NHS and education system are not doing so well.

Based on my reading of their policies, and based on the two surveys I took, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats. In one, they scored highest; in the other, the Greens were tied with them.

Blair seems to me to try too hard to be Bush's lapdog.

Talk to a teacher or a nurse, the NHS and education system are not doing so well.

I haven't used it myself but I'm pretty sure qualitys gone up since '97 atleast. Funding certainly went up but if your suggesting funding is up but quality is down then I'd expect you to vote conservative come election time :rolleyes:

Blair's actually raised the Nuclear issue and renewable enegy debate for once and Cameron listed the Enviroment as one of his areas to target. As I see it good progress.

nuclear is the wrong option, and this is all coming far too late anyway. 'good progress' is not what we need, massive action is.

Talk to a teacher or a nurse, the NHS and education system are not doing so well.

i think the NHS is doing extremely well services wise, just if brown had been able to spend however much he has on the war on terrorism on the NHS it would be fine financially as well.

Hmmmm....I think I'll just stick with my earlier point DON'T vote Lib Dem! High taxes, incompetent party AND their bloody irritating way of wanting to let hardened criminals walk off scot free-Don't vote for them!

Hmmmm....I think I'll just stick with my earlier point DON'T vote Lib Dem! High taxes, incompetent party AND their bloody irritating way of wanting to let hardened criminals walk off scot free-Don't vote for them!

I don't think you have to worry about that

Just in case

You know, I think the tories are the best, they reward people who have worked and are working extremely hard with the right not to be taxed to heavily and to enjoy themselves a bit, there also not overly obsessed with bueracracy like Labour. Remember that they are really are hoping to challenge America over its pollution, something which Tony the Poodle is not capable of doing.

nuclear is the wrong option, and this is all coming far too late anyway. 'good progress' is not what we need, massive action is.
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As I see it. Global warming is the biggest threat right now. Renewable energy is still pretty pathetic and can't come close to accomidating our needs. Nuclear energy counts for about 25% of Britains energy supply basically vital.

Encouraging people to use less energy and increasing renewable energy methods and research is on the agenda anyway but in the mean time Nuclear is the best method for dealing with global warming at the moment.

As I see it. Global warming is the biggest threat right now. Renewable energy is still pretty pathetic and can't come close to accomidating our needs. Nuclear energy counts for about 25% of Britains energy supply basically vital.

Encouraging people to use less energy and increasing renewable energy methods and research is on the agenda anyway but in the mean time Nuclear is the best method for dealing with global warming at the moment.

renewable energy should not be pathetic, as it can accomodate our needs the UK has enough capacity for offshore windfarms to supply its energy needs 3 times over alone. this is completely clean, cheap energy. power isnt all ofthe problem though, we need to massively cut down on car use and industrial emissions. the only party that would do what is needed is the greens.

The kind of party with free beer

renewable energy should not be pathetic, as it can accomodate our needs the UK has enough capacity for offshore windfarms to supply its energy needs 3 times over alone. this is completely clean, cheap energy. power isnt all ofthe problem though, we need to massively cut down on car use and industrial emissions. the only party that would do what is needed is the greens.

Yeah I agree renewable engergy shouldn't be pathetic but currently it isn't great. And I'll agree on Bush's policy of increasing reasearch into making it more efficient and practical rather than cutting it down.
I'm not sure where you got the idea windpower could supply Britians entire electricity supply 3 times over but show me a source if you can....
As for reduction is car use, that might be a bad idea. Think of the damage it would do to the economy... If the economy does baddly it gives the government less money to work with from taxes and thus less funding into developing better renewable energy.

The kind of party with free beer


Hmm join the party most likely to win and just wait around in headquaters on election night

Based on my reading of their policies, and based on the two surveys I took, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats. In one, they scored highest; in the other, the Greens were tied with them.

Blair seems to me to try too hard to be Bush's lapdog.
You've made a typographical error here: it's "bitch" not "lapdog"...

Hmm join the party most likely to win and just wait around in headquaters on election night
At a party.... everyone's a winner:)

Lib Dem.

Labour and the Tories are basically the bloody same. They have some minor differences of policy, but they're basically the same.

Green's chances are non existant. Lib Dems have barely a hope of getting in, and the greens no way.

The Lib Dems are where labour were last time they were worth voting for.

Do I support a 50% tax on all earners over £100,000? Yes. £50,000? Plenty. My parents (A teacher and an engineer, so you can hardly say they don't work hard) Only earn a little more than that before tax, and we live perfectly comfortably. (Then again, I am a Communist. I just happened to accept that Communism wont work on a national level)



To be honest, I deplore the idea of politicians.

I prefer my system :D Whereby nobody can serve more than two consecutive terms. That way, people in govenment then have to go out and work with whatever legislation they'd brought in, which would be much more successful

I'm rambling, so I'll shut up now :D

Do I support a 50% tax on all earners over £100,000? Yes. £50,000? Plenty. My parents (A teacher and an engineer, so you can hardly say they don't work hard) Only earn a little more than that before tax, and we live perfectly comfortably. (Then again, I am a Communist. I just happened to accept that Communism wont work on a national level)


If you became successful enough to make 100k + a year tell me if your then happy to have half of everything you make taken away from you.



I prefer my system :D Whereby nobody can serve more than two consecutive terms. That way, people in govenment then have to go out and work with whatever legislation they'd brought in, which would be much more successful

2 term limit? America basically. And that has many flaws such as a sell by date on your leader (something Blair has now that hes not running for the next election) and this really weakens the last term of government as people no longer need to suck up and agree with him.

where there is a wil theere is a loophole, my father makes over a million a year and we pay barely any tax hahahahaha, the NHS is failing REFORM, education is shit, THEY ARE RIDICULOUSLY EASY and blair is a ****, a silly silly ****. EVERY ONE VOTE TORY FOR THEY ARE THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE OTHERWISE ENGLAND WILL DIE
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The one with the thugged out mentality
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50 pounds the tables will turn man the
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1-2 1-2 Neeko ah pass through
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If you became successful enough to make 100k + a year tell me if your then happy to have half of everything you make taken away from you. Err yeah actually. I don't know how much I'm gonna earn (I havent a clue what job I'm going through after I finish my A-levels, and hopefully my degree in bioinformatics) But I'd be happy for my money to go help people.

Mind you I am easily pleased. As long as I have a roof over my head, clothes, food, a decent computer with reasonable broadband internet acess and enough cash to buy a few games a month, I'm happy :D (Oh, and cash to spend on gf. Thats important too!)

2 term limit? America basically. And that has many flaws such as a sell by date on your leader (something Blair has now that hes not running for the next election) and this really weakens the last term of government as people no longer need to suck up and agree with him. Only you're president has a two term limit AFAIK (Could be wrong!) It should be on all politicians, because they end up not knowig what is going on in the real world, and the legislation they enact has few effects on them most of the time. Thusly I think a two term limit so that they have to deal with the laws they enact.

As an American, I find it hard to identify closely with any of the British parties.

Based on my understanding of British politics, however, I would have to cast my vote for the Lib Dems. I don't agree with all of their platforms, but it couldn't hurt to create a legitimate 3rd party in the UK...at the very least it would force Labour and the Tories to modify their own policies to compensate...

...of course, that may or may not be a good thing, depending on your political point of view, but I see a wider degree of political discourse as a positive thing. :)

Not being familiar with the Brittish system, I have to say I would vote for the party with which I am the most familiar- the Silly Party.

Climb every mountain...

If you became successful enough to make 100k + a year tell me if your then happy to have half of everything you make taken away from you.


Awww! Poor little buisness men who work a massive 50 hour week behind an office desk, who've never had to resort to "commoner" jobs - their daddy made sure of that. Do you know how much harder writing reports is than working in a factory? Bloody much harder. And £50,000 a year for someone not a filthy pleb is disgusting - BMWs don't drive themselves you know!

Yeah I agree renewable engergy shouldn't be pathetic but currently it isn't great. And I'll agree on Bush's policy of increasing reasearch into making it more efficient and practical rather than cutting it down.
I'm not sure where you got the idea windpower could supply Britians entire electricity supply 3 times over but show me a source if you can....
As for reduction is car use, that might be a bad idea. Think of the damage it would do to the economy... If the economy does baddly it gives the government less money to work with from taxes and thus less funding into developing better renewable energy.

source: http://www.bwea.com/offshore/info.html


The UK has potentially the largest offshore wind resource in the world, with relatively shallow waters and a strong wind resource extending far into the North Sea. The UK has been estimated to have over 33% of the total European potential offshore wind resource - enough to power the country nearly three times over.

if not a reduction in car use (bicycles would be much better, solving health problems too), a change to biofuels is essential.

Lib Dem.

Labour and the Tories are basically the bloody same. They have some minor differences of policy, but they're basically the same.

Green's chances are non existant. Lib Dems have barely a hope of getting in, and the greens no way.

The Lib Dems are where labour were last time they were worth voting for.

Do I support a 50% tax on all earners over £100,000? Yes. £50,000? Plenty. My parents (A teacher and an engineer, so you can hardly say they don't work hard) Only earn a little more than that before tax, and we live perfectly comfortably. (Then again, I am a Communist. I just happened to accept that Communism wont work on a national level)



To be honest, I deplore the idea of politicians.

I prefer my system :D Whereby nobody can serve more than two consecutive terms. That way, people in govenment then have to go out and work with whatever legislation they'd brought in, which would be much more successful

I'm rambling, so I'll shut up now :D

Your wrong, Your Ideas DO NOT work. The Lib Dems are terrible, annoying, weirdos. I arrest my case.

Come On! anymore opinions?

Indecided, in the old days I'd vote lib dem but now there mving right like everyone, probably the Greens. Or any party that has a 90% tax on those who earning oiver 1 million votes.

Your wrong, Your Ideas DO NOT work. The Lib Dems are terrible, annoying, weirdos. I arrest my case.
Resions. It's Rest my case BTW.

NO! Not the Lib Dems! anyone but them

NO! Not the Lib Dems! anyone but them
There far to right really, my policys are:
tax
90% Income Tax on those who earn over 1 million, maybe 95%.
going down in grades of 50% on those who earn £100,000 a year
25% on those who earn £50,000-£100,000
10% if you earn £40,000-£50,000
5% below that.

NHS:
vastly increase funding, scrap patient chaoice and brig all the hospitals up/down to the same standed. Then try to up that standed slowly. 50% of private health companys earning go to the NHS.

Crime:
Rehabilitation for petty crimes and heavy fines, not jail sentences. Jail only for those who do serious crimes. Murders get life and will never be let out except by appeal, same for rapists and molestors.

Armed forces: Disarm, British force size to be decreased but better trained. Nuclear deterrent to be replacd. Get the hell out of iraq, and apologise to the Iraqi people

Europe: More intergration and co-operation.

Enviroment: Work for somthing more strigent than Kyoto, tax breaks and rewards to companys that don't polloute. Extra tax on those who do.

I will probably vote for some outside party or spend 5 minuets forming one in my tree house (no girls aloud:mad: ) either that or labour

There far to right really, my policys are:
tax
90% Income Tax on those who earn over 1 million, maybe 95%.
going down in grades of 50% on those who earn £100,000 a year
25% on those who earn £50,000-£100,000
10% if you earn £40,000-£50,000
5% below that.

NHS:
vastly increase funding, scrap patient chaoice and brig all the hospitals up/down to the same standed. Then try to up that standed slowly. 50% of private health companys earning go to the NHS.

Crime:
Rehabilitation for petty crimes and heavy fines, not jail sentences. Jail only for those who do serious crimes. Murders get life and will never be let out except by appeal, same for rapists and molestors.

Armed forces: Disarm, British force size to be decreased but better trained. Nuclear deterrent to be replacd. Get the hell out of iraq, and apologise to the Iraqi people

Europe: More intergration and co-operation.

Enviroment: Work for somthing more strigent than Kyoto, tax breaks and rewards to companys that don't polloute. Extra tax on those who do.

you stinking commie!

i like you:)

basicota, the lib dems would be my choice if there was no green party. charles kennedy is one of the few politicians (others include sir menzies campbell and the late robin cook) that i actually trust and respect.

There far to right really, my policys are:
tax
90% Income Tax on those who earn over 1 million, maybe 95%.
going down in grades of 50% on those who earn £100,000 a year
25% on those who earn £50,000-£100,000
10% if you earn £40,000-£50,000
5% below that.
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I'm sorry but anyone capable of making 1 million + would be on the first plain out of your country. And millionaires fleeing with their money isn't exacly good for the economy...


NHS:
vastly increase funding, scrap patient chaoice and brig all the hospitals up/down to the same standed. Then try to up that standed slowly. 50% of private health companys earning go to the NHS.
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So every hospital should be the same standard, regardless of how many people live near the hospital. Surely something in a small town should be smaller than a big city hospital. And again why would a private health company set up if 50% of its earnings are taken away, it'd be impossible to make a profit therefore the eliment of choice goes. And stuff that can't be on the NHS (basically the expencive stuff isn't going to be avalible when its actually needed)



Armed forces: Disarm, British force size to be decreased but better trained. Nuclear deterrent to be replacd. Get the hell out of iraq, and apologise to the Iraqi people

Europe: More intergration and co-operation.

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Well getting out of Iraq would leave it in a huge mess and I'd personally preffer to stabalise it. And as for Europe having just a fixed YES more intergration I agree with but only if they co-operate with us, for example the rebate situation right now we want to get the best deal we can not neccessarily just go along with what Europe says we should.

wotcha Jurgencube, did you see the source i left for you?:)

wotcha Jurgencube, did you see the source i left for you?:)

heh yeah I gotta say I'm surprised. I do wonder what it means by "potentially" if that actually means every possible spot :eek: but I guess it means we could live with bassically no nuclear or fossil fules if practical, I just wonder why no ones mentioned the extent wind power can be used for, before.

heh yeah I gotta say I'm surprised. I do wonder what it means by "potentially" if that actually means every possible spot :eek: but I guess it means we could live with bassically no nuclear or fossil fules if practical, I just wonder why no ones mentioned the extent wind power can be used for, before.

yeah, it does mean every single spot, which i agree is a bit excessive (despite wind turbines being far more attractive than oil or gas rigs which currently litter the north sea), but if one out of every three spots is used that will still cover the energy needs. coupled with a reduction in energy use that number will drop even more.
believe me, we (the environmentalists) have been saying it for a long time, its just the NIMBYs who put out other myths to scare people into submission.

I'm sorry but anyone capable of making 1 million + would be on the first plain out of your country. And millionaires fleeing with their money isn't exacly good for the economy...
Humm, they might flee yes, but it's better than them staying and earning that much money which could be put to ebtter use. it'd aklso mean people like footballers (Who have to stay) would have to pay a lot out.



So every hospital should be the same standard, regardless of how many people live near the hospital. Surely something in a small town should be smaller than a big city hospital. And again why would a private health company set up if 50% of its earnings are taken away, it'd be impossible to make a profit therefore the eliment of choice goes. And stuff that can't be on the NHS (basically the expencive stuff isn't going to be avalible when its actually needed)
I said 50% of the profit, the'd still make a profit. personally I'm against private healthcare anyways. And as for you point about big city hospitals vs little hospitals, I mean relistically, odviously Queens Med (nottingham) is going to have more staff and facilitys than Airedale. But the treatment of patiences should be the smae, Ie: same waiting lists ect.



Well getting out of Iraq would leave it in a huge mess and I'd personally preffer to stabalise it.
indeed stabalising the mess we've created is important, but that isn't our trouble. Why should we be helping the US out ont ehre war. Thay started it, they can cpe with it.And as for Europe having just a fixed YES more intergration I agree with but only if they co-operate with us, for example the rebate situation right now we want to get the best deal we can not neccessarily just go along with what Europe says we should.
We work with them, they work with us. You scratch my back I'll scratch yours. Many europians dislike us becuase they see us a 'freeloading' and not adding everything. Eg. Staying out of the euro annoys them. why should we be a big player if we don't join in on things passed eg. the euro.