NationStates Jolt Archive

I did this thread awhile back, but since then, many NSers have come and gone, and who knows, maybe even some of your political views have changed since then. For those who weren't here before, the rules are simple: name your favorite political figures (they can be statesmen, political activists, whatever) from each region listed (North America, etc.). And feel free to name as many as you want. And as always, no flaming. You can criticize someone's list if you want, but don't flame the person.


North America


Latin America


Western Europe


Eastern Europe


Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa


Sub-Saharan Africa


Far East


Oceania

Hmm. North America:
Abraham Lincoln
Chief Joseph

I'll have to think about the others.

throw in Emma Goldman. Born in Europe, but emigrated to America...and was then deported. So fit her wherever.

Pick a dead one, any dead one.

North America
big bill (I can't remember his actuall name)

Latin America
at the moment chavez followed by che

Western Europe
salma jaqoob, Lindsey German

Eastern Europe
tito

Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa
?

Sub-Saharan Africa
?

Far East
ho chi min

Oceania
?

my problem is I know which people I admire I just can't remember their names just which organisation they are in

My list:


North America
Joseph McCarthy
Martin Dies
Lysander Spooner
Booker T. Washington
Founding Fathers (way too many to list)
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson (except for the Trail of Tears)
John Tyler
Grover Cleveland
Calvin Coolidge


Latin America
Anastasio Somoza Garcia
Luis Somoza Debayle
Anastasio Somoza Debayle
Alfredo Stroessner
Augusto Pinochet
Hugo Banzer
Fulgencio Batista


Western Europe
Sir William Blackstone
Edmund Burke
Lord Acton
Konrad Adenauer
Ludwig Erhard
Pope Pius XII
Alcide De Gasperi


Eastern Europe
Draža Mihailović
Stanislaw Mikolajczyk
József Cardinal Mindszenty


Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa
Reza Shah Pahlavi
Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Yitzhak Rabin
Camille Chamoun
Faisal bin Abdelaziz Al Saud
Anwar al-Sadat
Hosni Mubarak


Sub-Saharan Africa
Ian Smith
Moise Tshombe
Sir Seretse Khama
Mangosuthu Buthelezi


Far East
Chiang Kai-shek
Syngman Rhee
King Bhumibol Adulyadej
Lee Kuan Yew
Nguyen Cao Ky


Oceania
Robert Menzies
Sir Keith Holyoake

North America
big bill (I can't remember his actuall name)

Big Bill Haywood?

throw in Emma Goldman. Born in Europe, but emigrated to America...and was then deported. So fit her wherever.

Since she was mostly in America, I'd put her underneath 'North America.'

North America

Richard M. Stallman
Angela Davis
Mumia Abu Jamal

Latin America

Hugo Chavez
Sub-Commander Marcos

(Dead):
Ernesto Che Gueverra
Salvador Allende
Pablo Neruda

Western Europe

(France)

Marie-George Buffet, Nicole Borvo, Bernard Birsinger, Francis Wurtz and some other representatives of the French Communist Party who do a wonderful job defending the victims of this reckless society in a difficult context

(Dead):
Robespierre
Jules Vallès, Louise Michel, and the others of Paris Commune
Jean Jaurès

Sub-Saharan Africa

Nelson Mandela


And many others who are not passing through my head right now, and I'm sorry to forget them ;)

Western Europe
Menzies ('Ming') Campbell

Sub-Saharan Africa
Nelson Mandela

Far East
Aung San Suu Kyi

Okay, so two of those a rather cliched choices.

North America
Ronald Reagan

Latin America
Augusto Pinochet

Western Europe
Margaret Thatcher

Eastern Europe
Janusz Korwin-Mikke

North America

Richard M. Stallman
Angela Davis
Mumia Abu Jamal

Latin America

Hugo Chavez
Sub-Commander Marcos

(Dead):
Ernesto Che Gueverra
Salvador Allende
Pablo Neruda

Western Europe

(France)

Marie-George Buffet, Nicole Borvo, Bernard Birsinger, Francis Wurtz and some other representatives of the French Communist Party who do a wonderful job defending the victims of this reckless society in a difficult context

(Dead):
Robespierre
Jules Vallès, Louise Michel, and the others of Paris Commune
Jean Jaurès

Sub-Saharan Africa

Nelson Mandela


And many others who are not passing through my head right now, and I'm sorry to forget them ;)

Lol, you could have just put: "Basically, the polar opposite of RB's list." :D

North America

Eugene Debs, Emma Goldman, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders

Latin America

Simón Bolívar, José Martí, Augusto César Sandino, Salvador Allende, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales

Western Europe

Karl Marx, James Connolly, John Maclean, Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, Sylvia Pankhurst, Manuel Azaña, Leon Blum, George Orwell, Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson, Tony Benn, Michael Foot, Marie-George Buffet

Eastern Europe

Peter Kropotkin, Leon Trotsky, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Josip Broz Tito, Imre Nagy, Alexander Dubček

Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa

Mohammad Mossadeq

Sub-Saharan Africa

Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere, Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu

Far East

Mohandas Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Ho Chi Minh

Oceania

Gough Whitlam

The opposite of RB's list.

Wouldn't that have been a lot easier? :p

Europaland: I mostly agree to your list, but I couldn't honestly put Leon Blum in mine. Among others, I cannot forgive him his betrayal of Spanish Republicans. The clash between the PCF (communists) and the SFIO (social-democrats) about this subject was the cause of the fall of "front populaire" of 1936; the communists refused to betray their spanish bretheren, and created the International Brigads, while the social-democrats refused to even sell them the weapons they so dearly needed in their struggle against Franco). Else, nice list, more complete than mine.

North America:
George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt


Latin America:
Augusto Pinochet
General Jorge Rafael Videla


Western Europe:
Otto Von Bismark
Napoleon Bonaparte
Kaiser Wilhelm II


Eastern Europe:
Czar Peter the great



Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa:
Yasser Arafat
Saddam Hussein
Gamal Abdel Nasser

North America

It is a toss-up between Thomas Jefferson (because of his strong public, if not private, commitment to liberty) and Teddy Roosevelt (because, in many ways, he was the embodiment of the pre-depression American, smart, strong, self reliant, reserved, skilled, and brutal when angered).

Western Europe

It might be going back awhile but, I'd have to go with Boadicea.

Eastern Europe

Maybe Marshal Tito for managing to hold Yugoslavia together despite the intense ethnic hatreds. If not Tito, than maybe Tepes, though it is hard to seperate fact from fiction about his reign these days. Still, the idea of turning away an army without meeting ever bothering to meet their main force...

Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa

Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar for challenging the caste system and rejecting the limitations of the calss he was born into. In my eyes, it takes more bravery to challenge society and all it's gods than it does to challenge a foreign invader.

Sub-Saharan Africa

Nelson Mandella, for the obvious reasons.

Europaland: I mostly agree to your list, but I couldn't honestly put Leon Blum in mine. Among others, I cannot forgive him his betrayal of Spanish Republicans. The clash between the PCF (communists) and the SFIO (social-democrats) about this subject was the cause of the fall of "front populaire" of 1936; the communists refused to betray their spanish bretheren, and created the International Brigads, while the social-democrats refused to even sell them the weapons they so dearly needed in their struggle against Franco). Else, nice list, more complete than mine.
Leon Blum's lack of help for the Spanish Republicans is certainly totally unacceptable although if he had became involved it could have started a civil war in France which I understand is still no excuse for his actions. There are however a number of positive things about Blum such as the social reforms his government brought about which improved the lives of working people and his determination to rearm the country in order to prepare for the inevitable German attack.

There are however a number of positive things about Blum such as the social reforms his government brought about which improved the lives of working people

Well, true, I don't say he did only bad things. But he wouldn't qualify for some I admire. And for the social advances, you have to remember that he conceded them only after a very successful general strike, he didn't do it spontanously (even if he accepted to do them, while many others, especially at that time, would have send the army to open fire against the strikers...).

So my opinion of Leon Blum is more mitigated. He did some very good things, but not always from his own initiative, and he did some unforgiveable (IMHO) things. I wouldn't say he's a bad man, but I wouldn't admire him either.

But well, the subject was not a discussion about Leon Blum, so I'll stop after this ;)

I did this thread awhile back, but since then, many NSers have come and gone, and who knows, maybe even some of your political views have changed since then. For those who weren't here before, the rules are simple: name your favorite political figures (they can be statesmen, political activists, whatever) from each region listed (North America, etc.). And feel free to name as many as you want. And as always, no flaming. You can criticize someone's list if you want, but don't flame the person.


North America


Latin America


Western Europe


Eastern Europe


Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa


Sub-Saharan Africa


Far East


Oceania


Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Fidel Castro

Winston Churchill

Viktor Yushchenko

throw in Emma Goldman. Born in Europe, but emigrated to America...and was then deported. So fit her wherever.
Yup, She gets my vote too. Damn you for being online at the right time and beating me to it! *shakes fist*

Although I hate partisan politics and most of its representatives, I will have to say these:
-Angela Merkel...she is one hell of a determined woman
-Anke van der Meersch
-Margaret Thatcher
-Bismarck
-De Gaulle
-Lenin

As for Monarchs:
-Elisabeth I
-Catherine the Great
-Cleopatra
-Empress Mathilda
-Boadicea
-Julius Caesar
-Augustus Octavian
-Alexander the Great
-Alfred the Great
-Frederick the Great
-Louis XIV
-Charlemagne
-Barbarossa
-Napoleon

Although I hate partisan politics and most of its representatives, I will have to say these:
-Angela Merkel...she is one hell of a determined woman
-Anke van der Meersch
-Margaret Thatcher
-Bismarck
-De Gaulle
-Lenin

I never would have thought I'd see Lenin and Thatcher on the same list. :confused:

North America

Ralph Nader

Latin America

N/A (they're all a bunch of filthy communists!!!)

Western Europe

Julius Caesar
Catherine II (Catherine the Great)

Eastern Europe

N/A (they're all a bunch of filthy fascists!!!)

Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa

N/A

Sub-Saharan Africa

N/A

Far East

N/A

Oceania[/QUOTE]

N/A

I never would have thought I'd see Lenin and Thatcher on the same list. :confused:
I admire them both for their leadership traits. I will not restrict myself ideologically when assessing a person's merits.

I admire them both for their leadership traits. I will not restrict myself ideologically when assessing a person's merits.

Ah, okay.

North America

Ralph Nader

Latin America

N/A (they're all a bunch of filthy communists!!!)

Western Europe

Julius Caesar
Catherine II (Catherine the Great)

Eastern Europe

N/A (they're all a bunch of filthy fascists!!!)

Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa

N/A

Sub-Saharan Africa

N/A

Far East

N/A

Oceania

Mishakal, those were Monarchs/ Emperors. Aren't political persons those associated with partisan politics in one form or another?

Ah, okay.
:) As I said, I have my own set of ideologies, sharing ideas both in utopian communism and laissez-faire Capitalism.

Mishakal, those were Monarchs/ Emperors. Aren't political persons those associated with partisan politics in one form or another?

No, monarchs count, too.

Mishakal, those were Monarchs/ Emperors. Aren't political persons those associated with partisan politics in one form or another?

Huh?:confused:

No, monarchs count, too.
Oh cool, I'll add some to my list then :p

Lol, you could have just put: "Basically, the polar opposite of RB's list." :Deasy call... because that RB thing is a moran.. :D

What is an RB anyways? :confused:

ummmmmmmmmmmmm






If i had a choice i would choose myself......but i can't run for any office so i would say none....






Yeah...thats it....NONE

easy call... because that RB thing is a moran.. :D

What is an RB anyways? :confused:

I'm RB (Roach-Busters).

By no means complete.

North America

Eugene V. Debs
Emma Goldman
Mother Jones
Martin Luther King Jr.
Abraham Lincoln

Latin America

Oscar Arnulfo Romero
Zumbi
Hugo Chávez
Salvador Allende
Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos
Augusto Sandino
Emiliano Zapata
Simón Bolívar
Jacobo Arbenz
Bartoleme de Las Casas

Western Europe

Rosa Luxemborg

Eastern Europe

Alexander Dubček
Mikhail Bakunin

Sub-Saharan Africa

Nelson Mandela
Desmond Tutu

Far East

Mohandas Gandhi

I'm RB (Roach-Busters).Oh...Damn...
me bad.
You can flame my ex-conntry(mp3) if you want :D

Oh...Damn...
me bad.
You can flame my ex-conntry(mp3) if you want :D

No, that's okay. ;)

bump

Far East
Chiang Kai-shek
Syngman Rhee
King Bhumibol Adulyadej
Lee Kuan Yew
Nguyen Cao Ky

You have a lot of dictators on your East Asian list! Shame! :P

You have a lot of dictators on your East Asian list! Shame! :P

A lot of people have Ho Chi Minh (a genocidal Stalinist) on theirs.

A lot of people have Ho Chi Minh (a genocidal Stalinist) on theirs.
Ho Chi Minh is a gift to the people from God!

;)

The Founding Fathers (particularly Jefferson and Franklin, and excluding Addams)
John Locke
Dr. Ron Paul
Michael Badnarik

Oh, and good to see you back R-B!

Boris Johnson.

Just the one for me. No other politician is worthy of anything bordering respect.

Bismarck, Marlborough, and Eng. de Coucy VII.

I'm suprised no one put environmental/political activist Wangari Maathai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Mathai)for their Africa List, Franklin Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Roosevelt) for North America or Lech Walesa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Walesa) for Eastern Europe (though the last two have been cotroversial).

North America

Ralph Nader

Latin America

N/A (they're all a bunch of filthy communists!!!)


I think the cognitive dissonance just made my nose bleed....

I'm suprised no one put environmental/political activist Wangari Maathai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Mathai)for their Africa List, Franklin Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Roosevelt) for North America or Lech Walesa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Walesa) for Eastern Europe (though the last two have been cotroversial).

Europaland put Roosevelt on his list.

My bad. The other two stand though.

North America:
Thomas Jefferson
Grover Cleveland
Several others...

Eastern Europe:
I V Stalin
Khruschev

Western Europe:
Otto von Bismarck
Edmund Burke
Thomas Paine
Francisco Franco
Winston Churchill
Benito Mussolini


Will name others later.

North America:

Chief Joseph
George Washington


Latin America:

Oscar Romero
Simon Bolivar
Lorenzo Cardenas


Western Europe

Winston Churchill
Henry II
Alfred the Great


Eastern Europe

Andrei Sakharov
Mikhail Gorbechov

Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa

Khalid
Saladin

Sub-Saharan Africa

Nelson Mandela

Far East

the guy in front of the tank

Oceania

Don't know enough about their history to say

North America:
Theodore Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson

Western Europe:
Henry II
Winston Churchill
Queen Victoria
Giuseppe Garibaldi

Eastern Europe:
Catherine the Great
Peter the Great
Alexander II

Central Asia:
Genghis Khan

Far East:
King Bhumibol Adulyadej (Rama IX)

I did this thread awhile back, but since then, many NSers have come and gone, and who knows, maybe even some of your political views have changed since then. For those who weren't here before, the rules are simple: name your favorite political figures (they can be statesmen, political activists, whatever) from each region listed (North America, etc.). And feel free to name as many as you want. And as always, no flaming. You can criticize someone's list if you want, but don't flame the person.


North America


Latin America


Western Europe


Eastern Europe


Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa


Sub-Saharan Africa


Far East


Oceania

I only have one favorite political figure: George W. Bush

I'm suprised no one put environmental/political activist Wangari Maathai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Mathai)for their Africa List, Franklin Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Roosevelt) for North America or Lech Walesa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Walesa) for Eastern Europe (though the last two have been cotroversial).

Yeah, in fact Lech Walesa is even more controversial here in Poland itself.

I only have one favorite political figure: George W. Bush

Brace yourself for the attack.