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I know the Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins, Butthole Surfers, Sonic Youth, etc. aren't on the poll, but to my knowledge, none of those bands ever adknowledged that they were grunge. I'm not sure if the Stone Temple Pilots did or not. Maybe the Melvins didn't either, but they are so closely associated with it that they deserve a spot.

GnR!!

oh right, you didn't say 'killed by' before you said 'grunge'






erm... Nirvana I guess

in case anyones not clear, I don't really know. I actually still don't like Nirvana since it got played for a month straight at my work and 2 guys absolutely slaughtered it by screaming along to it at the top of their lungs. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Thanks assholes.

Hehe. I've done this before, but what the hell.


If they indeed are considered "Grunge", I would have to go with Alice In Chains.
Probably the best overall musicianship, and definately the best vocal work.

Yes,that's all fine and dandy,but how can you argue with song titles like 'rape me'?

Simple,you can't.:rolleyes:

in case anyones not clear, I don't really know. I actually still don't like Nirvana since it got played for a month straight at my work and 2 guys absolutely slaughtered it by screaming along to it at the top of their lungs. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Thanks assholes.

lol. Did they play their first album? If not, try that.

There are four in a row there that are really hard to choose between; Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Screaming Trees and Pearl Jam.

Guess I'd have to go for Soundgarden, though if STP were an option I'd probably have voted for them.

lol. Did they play their first album? If not, try that.


They played a bit of everything. They mostly played stuff from 'with the lights out' practice versions and things where kurt's voice sounds shit. I'm not sure where it came from, but by the 5th playing of 'Sliver' I swear I was ready to stab somebody.

though if STP were an option I'd probably have voted for them.

I like them, but they came about a little later...these are first and second wave bands :p and as I said, i'm not sure if they claimed to be grunge.

Best is Nirvana but my favourite is Sound Garden.

They played a bit of everything. They mostly played stuff from 'with the lights out' practice versions and things where kurt's voice sounds shit. I'm not sure where it came from, but by the 5th playing of 'Sliver' I swear I was ready to stab somebody.

Ah jeez. Yeah, that box set has a lot of throwaway songs, but a couple of classics.

For the record, I used to HATE Nirvana. Now they're probably my favourite band :p

There are four in a row there that are really hard to choose between; Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Screaming Trees and Pearl Jam.

Guess I'd have to go for Soundgarden, though if STP were an option I'd probably have voted for them.


Speaking of the Screaming Trees, has anyone else heard Mark Lannegans *sp?* of "Peace in the Valley"?

Ah jeez. Yeah, that box set has a lot of throwaway songs, but a couple of classics.

For the record, I used to HATE Nirvana. Now they're probably my favourite band :p

Yeah, I have In Utero and Nevermind, and will probably listen to them and get back into the band in the future, but for the team being I can't listen to them for any extended period of time.

Speaking of the Screaming Trees, has anyone else heard Mark Lannegans *sp?* of "Peace in the Valley"?

I'm pretty sure I have heard it before, but I don't have it on CD or anything.

Do you have to ask?

Don Grungio

Do you have to ask?

Yes :p

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that Cute Little Girls, is neither cute, nor little, nor a girl?

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that Cute Little Girls, is neither cute, nor little, nor a girl?
Because he isn't? I'd have to go with Alice In chains just for the line ".. and God's name is smack for some!"

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that Cute Little Girls, is neither cute, nor little, nor a girl?

Hahahaha :p

I had to go with Pearl Jam because, as much as I like Nirvana they only lasted for 4 years (and only three albums not counting b-sides), and that's being generous (counting Bleach as the start rather than "Nevermind" which was their breakthrough hit). Pearl Jam, on the other hand is still making relevant music today (15 years and 7 albums not counting b-sides later). I have to admit it was a tough choice though, I can see why someone would say Alice in Chains or Nirvana.

For the record, I used to HATE Nirvana. Now they're probably my favourite band :p
I do hate them, i never understood why everyone else was creaming themselves over them and Limp Bizkit (at a later date)

ain't no such thing as a 'good grunge band'

I do hate them, i never understood why everyone else was creaming themselves over them and Limp Bizkit (at a later date)

I don't get the god worship of Kurt. I used to hate them for that, and because it was just the thing...you weren't cool if you didn't like Nirvana. Once that all ended, I found out that they were a great band that made some really good music. Nothing much more than that; they also happened to be in the right place at the right time.

Ah jeez. Yeah, that box set has a lot of throwaway songs, but a couple of classics.Such as "Blandest", "Old Age", and "Oh, the Guilt".

ain't no such thing as a 'good grunge band'
Actually, it's the opposite..."good grunge band" is redundant.

I do hate them, i never understood why everyone else was creaming themselves over them and Limp Bizkit (at a later date)
Because Curt (Kurt?) was cute?

Actually, it's the opposite..."good grunge band" is redundant.
all grunge bands were redundant ;)

Such as "Blandest", "Old Age", and "Oh, the Guilt".

Exactly!

(dude...my three favourites :D)

I also like "Mrs. Butterworth", "If You Must" and "Pen Cap Chew"

Their other B-sides like "Even In His Youth" are great too, but the non-demo version is naturally better.

Skipping the usual controversy: without doubt, it's Pearl Jam.
Most intellectual, farthest-reaching, most political.
But all the rest is genius as well. Except for Soungarden. And Mother Love Bone, perhaps: they were metal more than anything, and the dead dude was too much like David Lee Roth.

I had to go with Pearl Jam because, as much as I like Nirvana they only lasted for 4 years (and only three albums not counting b-sides), and that's being generous (counting Bleach as the start rather than "Nevermind" which was their breakthrough hit). Pearl Jam, on the other hand is still making relevant music today (15 years and 7 albums not counting b-sides later). I have to admit it was a tough choice though, I can see why someone would say Alice in Chains or Nirvana.
I thought Nirvana made 4 albums? Insecticide, bleach, nevermind and in utero.

I'm not really fond of the whole grunge scene thing, but if I had to pick one I'd go with Nirvana.

I also like "Mrs. Butterworth", "If You Must" and "Pen Cap Chew"

Their other B-sides like "Even In His Youth" are great too, but the non-demo version is naturally better.I like "Mrs. Butterworth" and "If You Must", but "Pen Cap Chew" is just okay.

Yeah, for some reason I'm not sure why they picked those particular demos. <shrug>

I thought Nirvana made 4 albums? Insecticide, bleach, nevermind and in utero.

I'm not really fond of the whole grunge scene thing, but if I had to pick one I'd go with Nirvana.Incesticide was a compilation of previously released material.

Skipping the usual controversy: without doubt, it's Pearl Jam.
Most intellectual, farthest-reaching, most political.
But all the rest is genius as well. Except for Soungarden. And Mother Love Bone, perhaps: they were metal more than anything, and the dead dude was too much like David Lee Roth.

Most political? I know Nirvana campaigned heavily for, among other things, gay rights, and Kim Thayil from Soundgarden was involved in the anti-globalisation movement for a while, at least. Though I can't recall what Pearl Jam were involved in.

I thought Nirvana made 4 albums? Insecticide, bleach, nevermind and in utero.

Yeah, if you don't count the unplugged and live albums (which you shouldn't really, anyway.)

Incesticide was a compilation of previously released material.

I think it counts as an album in its own right.

Incesticide was a compilation of previously released material.
It was? Good thing I said I wasn't really interested in the whole scene or I would've made a fool out of myself :p

Most political? I know Nirvana campaigned heavily for, among other things, gay rights, and Kim Thayil from Soundgarden was involved in the anti-globalisation movement for a while, at least. Though I can't recall what Pearl Jam were involved in.

Really? You can't remember Vote for Change? And contributing the sountrack to "Dead Man Walking"? And the video to "Do the Evolution"? The Pro-choice activism of Eddie Vedder? Their affiliation with "Earth First"? Songs like "Jeremy", "Dissident", "WMA", "Immortality" etc etc etc?
Oh, I love Nirvana, but two points are raised against its political involvement:
1. they are not around, and Pearl Jam is. As sad as I am about it, it means that the time of the latter has surpassed the other by all its duration. Now, if Pearl were only involved in the arena from time to time, it still would mean way more, by sheer force of, well, physics...
2. while Nirvana did campaign for things, it came to the forefront with the fascinating (very, very esthetical, don't get me wrong) soup of values that some alternative rock had. The main example is Novoselic, who used to appear in concerts waving the Croatian flag when the new Ustase were storming into Krajna. I don't think he was akin to them in any way, he did it because he is Croatian etc., but it's really separated from commitement (again, not to say that I think such a commitement is a requirement).

Nirvana campaigned heavily for, among other things, gay rights, and Kim Thayil from Soundgarden was involved in the anti-globalisation movement for a while, at least.Krist Novoselic and Kim Thayil were both in the No WTO Combo with Jello Biafra.

I think it counts as an album in its own right.Oh, I'd agree, I'd consider it an album.

It was? Good thing I said I wasn't really interested in the whole scene or I would've made a fool out of myself :pYes, it's akin to Pisces Iscariot (or Judas O) by the Smashing Pumpkins, or Dead Letter Office by R.E.M.

Really? You can't remember Vote for Change? And contributing the sountrack to "Dead Man Walking"? And the video to "Do the Evolution"? The Pro-choice activism of Eddie Vedder? Their affiliation with "Earth First"? Songs like "Jeremy", "Dissident", "WMA", "Immortality" etc etc etc?

Okay (I wasn't doubting you for a moment there - just looking for elaboration :)). I'm not the biggest Pearl Jam fan though. I find them a little boring...well, they have some really good songs, and are good musicians, it just doesn't click with me.

Krist Novoselic and Kim Thayil were both in the No WTO Combo with Jello Biafra.

I know, and rock they did. I want a copy of their EP.

Okay (I wasn't doubting you for a moment there - just looking for elaboration :)). I'm not the biggest Pearl Jam fan though. I find them a little boring...well, they have some really good songs, and are good musicians, it just doesn't click with me.I have to agree, they really dropped off in musical quality after No Code.

I know, and rock they did. I want a copy of their EP.Lol. I think it would cost you about as much to order from the U.S. as a Butthole Surfers album would.

It's probably more alternative rock than grunge, but I'd say that Alice Donut were the best.

It's probably more alternative rock than grunge, but I'd say that Alice Donut were the best.

Long time since I've heard that name...

Your daughter has a venereal disease

From that list its got to be Mudhoney. How can you go past song thats called 'Touch Me I'm Sick' and actually lives up to the greatness of the title. They're so much more fun to listen to than most grunge bands.

From that list its got to be Mudhoney. How can you go past song thats called 'Touch Me I'm Sick' and actually lives up to the greatness of the title. They're so much more fun to listen to than most grunge bands.

I've seen them live :p

Mudhoney, Nirvana and Alice in Chains are the only ones I can say I particularly like. Overall, Mudhoney, although I'm not a massive fan of grunge. It's good, but there's much better music out there.

Krist Novoselic and Kim Thayil were both in the No WTO Combo with Jello Biafra.

Those guys rocked :)

It was Mudhoney or the Melvins! I've voted for the Melvins, because IMO, they're the best of these bands still putting out good material. And some of the spin-off stuff rocks (Fantomas, though it _is_ Patton's brain-child).

Nirvana purely for the masterpiece that is In Utero. And MTV Unplugged.

Sensational.

Come. By a mile.
(And why no mention of Hole?)

Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins Melvins. I rest my case.

Come. By a mile.
(And why no mention of Hole?)


Because Courtney Love is an untalented crack whore?

(And why no mention of Hole?)

Because they wouldn't fit on the poll...why do I always get questions like that? There are only 10 options!

Temple of the Dog, Love Battery and Tad (among others) aren't on there either. There is a reason for the "other" option...

I don't know which is worse: that someone seriously suggested Hole or that nobody else has said Neil "Don Grungio" Young, the Godfather of Grunge. :(

Neil "Don Grungio" Young, the Godfather of Grunge. :(

Neil Young was but one of many formative influences on the genre...

Because Courtney Love is an untalented crack whore?
If you believe that, then surely you're forced to admit that Live Through This is a Nirvana album, and accord it some props?

Neil Young was but one of many formative influences on the genre...

Maybe, but he's the only Grunge I can listen to for extended periods and enjoy. :p

I don't know which is worse: that someone seriously suggested Hole or that nobody else has said Neil "Don Grungio" Young, the Godfather of Grunge. :(

If we're going to be pedantic about the roots of grunge and name check Young, then its only fair that Crazy Horse get equal billing with him.

If we're going to be pedantic about the roots of grunge and name check Young, then its only fair that Crazy Horse get equal billing with him.

:)

so many choices..........I had to go with Nirvana, because I feel like they were most influencial...........

ironically they are the only ones on the poll that I haven't (didn't get to :() seen live, and only one of 2 that I haven't also been backstage and met.;) Although I have met David Grohl. (he's pretty cool :D)

I know the Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins, Butthole Surfers, Sonic Youth, etc. aren't on the poll, but to my knowledge, none of those bands ever adknowledged that they were grunge. I'm not sure if the Stone Temple Pilots did or not. Maybe the Melvins didn't either, but they are so closely associated with it that they deserve a spot.

Look at me Kanabia, look at me. I have four words for you Kanabia, "Touch Me I'm Sick".

Look at me Kanabia, look at me. I have four words for you Kanabia, "Touch Me I'm Sick".

:D Did you also see them when they came down?

Because they wouldn't fit on the poll...why do I always get questions like that? There are only 10 options!

Temple of the Dog, Love Battery and Tad (among others) aren't on there either. There is a reason for the "other" option...
Oh come on Temple of a Dog is just a Side project.
*shifty eyes*

I don't get the god worship of Kurt. I used to hate them for that, and because it was just the thing...you weren't cool if you didn't like Nirvana. Once that all ended, I found out that they were a great band that made some really good music. Nothing much more than that; they also happened to be in the right place at the right time.
I have never listened to anything but the 'singles' so perhaps my opionion(As if it ever does) should'nt count for much but of all the song's ive heard i honestly don't like them much.

Full Bloom(Or is it In Bloom.....) and the song they tried to ban are the only songs i like.

Because Curt (Kurt?) was cute?
Fred Durst is Cute? o_0
Ko(Lack of a backwards R)n was the other Band ever went Fonzie over but i thought sucked.

:D Did you also see them when they came down?

No, when were they last here? I first found out about them when I saw Nirvana in the early 90s & they referenced them in gig info. I looked them up a bit, listened to a few of their albums that my friends owned & they were awesome. I'm ashamed to say that I don't actually have any of their CDs, I always just scabbed my friend's ones when I wanted to listen to them.

No, when were they last here? I first found out about them when I saw Nirvana in the early 90s & they referenced them in gig info. I looked them up a bit, listened to a few of their albums that my friends owned & they were awesome. I'm ashamed to say that I don't actually have any of their CDs, I always just scabbed my friend's ones when I wanted to listen to them.

I saw them in March. They put on a brilliant show....they were on for almost two hours and had three encores. :)

Their albums can be hard to find, so you're excused. You can find them at HMV in the city, though.

I saw them in March. They put on a brilliant show....they were on for almost two hours and had three encores. :)

Their albums can be hard to find, so you're excused. You can find them at HMV in the city, though.

Sounds like a 'ken awesome show.

It's not that they're hard to find, it's more of a case of $$. I haven't bought a CD for over 12 months. If they're in HMV, they'd have to be in JB & cheaper?

It's not that they're hard to find, it's more of a case of $$. I haven't bought a CD for over 12 months. If they're in HMV, they'd have to be in JB & cheaper?

Possibly. You'll find it if you look around.

I can't believe only 4 other people voted for Mudhoney. Come on ppl! Where are your priorities/taste?
Shame, shame, shame. On you all. Except for the 4 (5 including me!:) )

Simple...

...Nirvana.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the song that changed the decade, and all other Grunge acts were able to exist because of that one song.

:cool:

all other Grunge acts were able to exist because of that one song.

:cool:

I'd dispute that. Most of these bands had albums out before SLTS topped the charts.

Fair point, though I would add that those bands that had albums out were not selling many of said albums until SLTS made it's impact. Certainly not under the "Grunge" label.

I could be wrong, though, and it would not be the first time.

:confused:

I'd dispute that. Most of these bands had albums out before SLTS topped the charts.

I agree with you. Smells Like Teen Spirit was chosen to be the epitome of the Seattle sound by Mtv. The grunge phenomenon was already well developed when Mtv chose that song as a vehicle to introduce the world to what was going on in the Seattle music scene. Had Nirvana not existed, Mtv would've chosen a different grunge song to put in heavy rotation in order to introduce the nation at large to the Seattle sound. Mtv was looking for that new sound and Seattle was where it was at, if not Nirvana, they would've chosen someone else. Nirvana blew up internationally only because Mtv put them in heavy rotation, had they chosen to pass on them, it wouldve been someone else in their spot.

Pearl Jam's first big album was the best grunge CD... Once, Even Flow, Alive, Jeremy, and Black comprised a great first half of the CD (along with Porch).

I agree with you. Smells Like Teen Spirit was chosen to be the epitome of the Seattle sound by Mtv. The grunge phenomenon was already well developed when Mtv chose that song as a vehicle to introduce the world to what was going on in the Seattle music scene. Had Nirvana not existed, Mtv would've chosen a different grunge song to put in heavy rotation in order to introduce the nation at large to the Seattle sound. Mtv was looking for that new sound and Seattle was where it was at, if not Nirvana, they would've chosen someone else. Nirvana blew up internationally only because Mtv put them in heavy rotation, had they chosen to pass on them, it wouldve been someone else in their spot.I can agree with you to an extent, but on the other hand, the song that MTV might've picked might not have caught on the way that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" did.

Pearl Jam.

Given To Fly may just be the worlds most underrated song ever. Or atleast on the list.

Not to menion the beauty of Jeremy, Black, Better Man...


Although, I do love all the bands on that list.

I can't believe only 4 other people voted for Mudhoney. Come on ppl! Where are your priorities/taste?
Shame, shame, shame. On you all. Except for the 4 (5 including me!:) )
Is Mudhoney Mudvayne?:p

Alice in Chains & Nirvana (AIC in tie breaker)

does anyone else find the fact that Kobain and Staley dyin on the same date strange? (or am i wrong about this)

Simple...

...Nirvana.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the song that changed the decade, and all other Grunge acts were able to exist because of that one song.

:cool:
Piffle.
It isn't like there aren't any crap hair metal bands around anymore, is it?

It's a threeway tie between Soundgarden, Nirvana and Alice In Chains.

In the end though...I'll go with Nirvana.

does anyone else find the fact that Kobain and Staley dyin on the same date strange? (or am i wrong about this)I don't believe they both died on the same date. I know that Wendy O. Williams of the Plasmatics killed herself on April 6th, which is one day after Kurt's date, but I don't think Layne was near there.

I don't believe they both died on the same date. I know that Wendy O. Williams of the Plasmatics killed herself on April 6th, which is one day after Kurt's date, but I don't think Layne was near there.
He had an alibi?

I didn't realize ALice in Chains had any real talent until the unplugged album. I listened to it over and over. I was always turned off by the over-distortion of the effects on their other albums.

All of the bands listed are pretty damn good but I had to go with Pearl Jam as they opened up the genre for me.

Piffle.
It isn't like there aren't any crap hair metal bands around anymore, is it?

Hair Metal is completely different - bands like Poison, Ratt and Skid Row are examples of "Hair metal". The bands listed do not fall into that category at all. The music style is completely different and the subject matter in the songs is completely different.

Hair Metal is completely different - bands like Poison, Ratt and Skid Row are examples of "Hair metal". The bands listed do not fall into that category at all. The music style is completely different and the subject matter in the songs is completely different.
Yeah, but while the fuss was going on over a few bands ripping off Thin Lizzy instead of the Guns & Roses Cobain was whining about how Corporate Rock's time was over for good now and how nobody would listen to dumb metal bands anymore in every interview he did, wasn't he?
Always struck me as an insubstantial argument at the time, really: all that happened was a few dodgy hair metal bands made shiity grunge records to try and chase the wave, then went to their usual bollocks after it broke and everybody lost interest.

Unfortunately there always are those copycats who ride the coattails of the real talent

Unfortunately there always are those copycats who ride the coattails of the real talent
Yep. Nirvana doing a bad pastiche of More Than A Feeling in the manner of Dinosaur Jr springs to mind for a start.
You miss my point, though: there were a lot of claims that grunge was going to kill off hair metal forever, which it obviously hasn't.

Pearl Jam. Easily.

there were a lot of claims that grunge was going to kill off hair metal forever, which it obviously hasn't.

I can't think of any modern hair metal bands...

I can't think of any modern hair metal bands...
The Tsunami

The Tsunami

Who?

Who?
OMG shit sorry i meant The Darkness but i got distracted by something on TV about Imran Khan saying the only reason people helped out during the Tsunami was because there were whites where as the Kashmir Quake didn't affect whites so no one cars...

OMG shit sorry i meant The Darkness but i got distracted by something on TV about Imran Khan saying the only reason people helped out during the Tsunami was because there were whites where as the Kashmir Quake didn't affect whites so no one cars...

LOL!

LOL!
Racism is nothing to laugh about......

Racism is nothing to laugh about......

Of course not, but dumbass slips are. :D

Of course not, but dumbass slips are. :D
Dont say Gods earthquake's were a mere slip.:upyours:

Dont say Gods earthquake's were a mere slip.:upyours:

*gunshot*

*gunshot*
IGNORES!
http://usd.edu/phys/courses/phys211/warmup/graphics/cannon3.gif

I can't think of any modern hair metal bands...
We don't need any more of the bastards: most of the old ones are still going.