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At 7:53 AM today 64 years ago, forces of the Japanese Imperial Navy launched a surprise attack against Pearl Harbor that resulted in over 3,000 US soldiers, airmen and sailors killed or wounded and signaled America's entry into the Second World War.

May we never forget them.

May we never forget all WWII servicement, of all nations, who helped topple the facist regimes worldwide.

Plus about 70 or so Japanese.

I've always been consfused about what to say in this instance. Happy Pearl Harbor Day? Merry Pearl Harbor Day? That doesn't sound quite right.

May we never forget all WWII servicement, of all nations, who helped topple the facist regimes worldwide.
Although he wasn't really fascist, didn't Stalin survive to live years later? :rolleyes:

I've always been consfused about what to say in this instance. Happy Pearl Harbor Day? Merry Pearl Harbor Day? That doesn't sound quite right.
You're not celebrating it, you're commemorating it.

Although he wasn't really fascist, didn't Stalin survive to live years later? :rolleyes:

We'll conveniently ignore Mr. Stalin for this thread.

At 6:36 pm, December 7th, 1972

Something even more cataclysmic happened! :eek:

We'll conveniently ignore Mr. Stalin for this thread.
Right :p

Semper fidelis, boys.

At 6:36 pm, December 7th, 1972

Something even more cataclysmic happened! :eek:

Plugging your birthday again? I didn't get you that pony, you know. So just stop asking!

At 6:36 pm, December 7th, 1972

Something even more cataclysmic happened! :eek:

which was?

I've always been consfused about what to say in this instance. Happy Pearl Harbor Day? Merry Pearl Harbor Day? That doesn't sound quite right.

The Japanese refer to it as "Super Happy Fun Bomb Polynesian Islands Day". I think the word is "boomru".

Plugging your birthday again? I didn't get you that pony, you know. So just stop asking!


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We'll conveniently ignore Mr. Stalin for this thread.
His name was "Mr. Dzugashvili", not "Mr. Stalin". Stalin was his...well...nickname, or title or whatever you want to call it.

The Japanese refer to it as "Super Happy Fun Bomb Polynesian Islands Day". I think the word is "boomru".

Sounds appropriate.

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Hey I'm doin' you a favor ...

Clicky (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_fe_st/wa_bestiality)

:eek:

[/hijack (sorry)]

His name was "Mr. Dzugashvili", not "Mr. Stalin". Stalin was his...well...nickname, or title or whatever you want to call it.

Bah, whatever.

Is "Mr. Evil Pseudo-Communist Facist Dictator Guy" more appealing to you?

His name was "Mr. Dzugashvili", not "Mr. Stalin". Stalin was his...well...nickname, or title or whatever you want to call it.
What did his name mean again? Man of steel or something...

which was?

The creation of the World's First Lunatic Goofball. :)

Actually, the actual date of my creation depends on whether you're pro-life or pro-choice.

But on December 7th, after much shrieking and carrying on, I popped out to take a look around. :)

We'll conveniently ignore Mr. Stalin for this thread.

You may ignore the man, but not the 'stache.

Hey I'm doin' you a favor ...

Clicky (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_fe_st/wa_bestiality)

:eek:

[/hijack (sorry)]

It wasn't for sex! I have birthday cake for that. It was for tackling. :)

At 6:36 pm, December 7th, 1972

Something even more cataclysmic happened! :eek:
We're pretty close to the same age, huh...

You can listen to the broadcast here (http://www.umkc.edu/lib/spec-col/ww2/PearlHarbor/ph-txt.htm#fdr)

The creation of the World's First Lunatic Goofball. :)

Actually, the actual date of my creation depends on whether you're pro-life or pro-choice.

But on December 7th, after much shrieking and carrying on, I popped out to take a look around. :)

Fun random LG/Keru fact:

LG: Born 6:36 pm, 12/7/72
Keru: Born 6:36 am, 7/1/72 after only 2 hours of labor (which accounts for the missing 2)

Creeeeepy.

Fun random LG/Keru fact:

LG: Born 6:36 pm, 12/7/72
Keru: Born 6:36 am, 7/1/72 after only 2 hours of labor (which accounts for the missing 2)

Creeeeepy.

Doesn't that make you, like, brothersish?

Doesn't that make you, like, brothersish?
Only if they popped out of teh same vagina on those dates.

Only if they popped out of teh same vagina on those dates.
Or YOUR vagina!

You may ignore the man, but not the 'stache.
Hitler's pwned his! :p

I really didn't get a good look at the vagina in question. My eyes were closed. But I am assured it was my mother's vagina.

Or YOUR vagina!
Lest we forget the Soldiers...:cool:

Doesn't that make you, like, brothersish?

Well ... he's a clown and I am a professional puppeteer turned children's music teacher ... both freespirited pranksters with a mud fetish ... both religious with leanings toward the "brotherly hippie love" side of our respective faiths rather than the "I kill you now" side.

Yeah ... I'm guessing there's a kindred spirit there somewhere.

I bet a whole thread can be done on this and we can stop hijacking this one.

Well ... ok ... it's not really a hijack ... after all ... those brave men and women fought and died to give us the freedom to be who we are and say what we like.

So hijack a thread to thank a Veteran! woo!

His name was "Mr. Dzugashvili", not "Mr. Stalin". Stalin was his...well...nickname, or title or whatever you want to call it.

Stalin - or Monsieur Stalin if you worked for the British Foreign Office 1941-45 - was certianly more than a nickname. He insisted upon being called that. And given that იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი's word had the force of law, I think you can safely say it was in effect a legal name change.

იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი

God I hate 'leet speak.

God I hate 'leet speak.

YAY! :D

Biggest..hijack....EVAR!

Biggest..hijack....EVAR!

It was either this, or get hijacked by the "Should AMerica have dropped the Bomb on Japan?" crowd.

I think I prefer this. :)

Georgan looks almost as funny as Armenian.. I swear, the first time I drove through Glendale, I was like "..." True story.

It was either this, or get hijacked by the "Should AMerica have dropped the Bomb on Japan?" crowd.

I think I prefer this. :)
True, true...

God I hate 'leet speak.

I know. Damn commies. :mad:

It was either this, or get hijacked by the "Should AMerica have dropped the Bomb on Japan?" crowd.

I think I prefer this. :)

Give it time. Most USA'ans are asleep, all snug in their beds right now. Come dawn, the "we saved lives by nuking children" crowd will show.

don´t forget all soldiers who died in all wars...

More December 7 stuff.

The Russian counterattack started on the 5th pushed the Germans away from Moscow, spelling the end of WWII.
The whole battle of Moscow cost about 900,000 lives.

A year later 300,000 soldiers were encircled in Stalingrad.

Give it time. Most USA'ans are asleep, all snug in their beds right now. Come dawn, the "we saved lives by nuking children" crowd will show.

What's wrong with Nuking children? I hear they roast pretty well. With some garlic, parsley, and chives.

Yum.

His name was "Mr. Dzugashvili", not "Mr. Stalin". Stalin was his...well...nickname, or title or whatever you want to call it.


Nom de guerre. (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=nom+de+guerre)

And let us not forget the Japanese service men who died valiantly that day as well.

What's wrong with Nuking children? I hear they roast pretty well. With some garlic, parsley, and chives.

Yum.

Yeah, but we were wasteful and didn't eat them.

Yeah, but we were wasteful and didn't eat them.

I thought that was all us Americans did, eating babies and all.

I thought that was all us Americans did, eating babies and all.

Of course.. problem was, food rationing was tough in those days - you couldn't get good sweets or preserves.. and you can't rightly serve japanese children without mint jelly..

I thought that was all us Americans did, eating babies and all.

Normally, but for some reason we passed on the crispy Japanese baby in garlic sauce. Maybe we were full. Still, though, we shouldn't have ordered it if we weren't going to eat it.

Normally, but for some reason we passed on the crispy Japanese baby in garlic sauce. Maybe we were full. Still, though, we shouldn't have ordered it if we weren't going to eat it.

I must admit, the ones we grilled over an open flame in Iwo Jima and Okinawa really filled us up.

Japanese are very nice with barbeque sauce, you know.

I must admit, the ones we grilled over an open flame in Iwo Jima and Okinawa really filled us up.

Japanese are very nice with barbeque sauce, you know.

I've been saving room for some Chinese. They're actually Hallal, you know ... it says so in Qur'an.

I've been saving room for some Chinese. They're actually Hallal, you know ... it says so in Qur'an.
Really?

Are humans in general clean?

Really?

Are humans in general clean?

Nope ... just the Chinese and the Scandinavians. An exception is made that Africans from eastern provinces are Hallal if you're travelling.

Nope ... just the Chinese and the Scandinavians. An exception is made that Africans from eastern provinces are Hallal if you're traveling.

Hmmm...are you of fine human cuisine? Tell me, great man-cooker, what type of human is most delectable to the tongue?

Nope ... just the Chinese and the Scandinavians. An exception is made that Africans from eastern provinces are Hallal if you're travelling.
Heh South Africans too...we are pretty fussy about that, as well as duplicitly polite...it comes with being rich...oh yes, and vehemently racist :rolleyes:

Heh South Africans too...we are pretty fussy about that, as well as duplicitly polite...it comes with being rich...oh yes, and vehemently racist :rolleyes:

Hehe ... oh you're South African? Well then you're actually a step up from Hallal ... you're Kosher! Sweeeet ....

Since I actually keep kosher .... *mouth waters* ....

Hehe ... oh you're South African? Well then you're actually a step up from Hallal ... you're Kosher! Sweeeet ....

Since I actually keep kosher .... *mouth waters* ....
White South African...we taste bad and we bite...trust me, you'd spit me right out :p

White South African...we taste bad and we bite...trust me, you'd spit me right out :p

Ooooh ... I like the white meat ... no worries about that gamey taste ... I use tobasco sauce. :D

Ooooh ... I like the white meat ... no worries about that gamey taste ... I use tobasco sauce. :D
Oh you wouldn't like me, I'm way too boney :p

Oh you wouldn't like me, I'm way too boney :p

Then you'll make fine soup ... now stop making excuses and get in my belly!

Oh ... crap ... are we still talking about Pearl Harbor?

Then you'll make fine soup ... now stop making excuses and get in my belly!

Oh ... crap ... are we still talking about Pearl Harbor?
Pearl Harbour went down the drain about...oh...3 pages ago?

This forum is so going on my senior thesis.

"The evolution/devolution of internet thought"

Score.

This forum is so going on my senior thesis.

"The evolution/devolution of internet thought"

Score.


Hooray! I'm a term paper!

This forum is so going on my senior thesis.

"The evolution/devolution of internet thought"

Score.
Turn it into a mathematical formula if you so please. :p

Nom de guerre. (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=nom+de+guerre)

And let us not forget the Japanese service men who died valiantly that day as well.

First, Pearl Harbor was notable mainly in that the AMERICANS got attacked. The casualties inflicted were against MILITARY targets, not civilian targets. The men who died had a "severe risk of dying" in their job description. The IJA and the IJN had committed actual atrocities, instead of a militarily justifiable action, throughout Asia, with casualties tallying in the millions, though this was, in part, a result of the continental population density. The main importance of Pearl Harbor was that Japan drew America into the war, and failed to press its advantage, not the casualties taken by military personnel.

Second, should we feel more for the dead Americans, some of who might have been under the impression that the military was a "safe" job, but if they were not, they would have no excuse to protest their deaths, or the dead Japanese, who somehow managed to die despite a force superiority and the element of surprise?

My thesis?

Eventually, all internet threads eather evolve or devolve. They can evolve into politics, moral thought, or religion. Some threads can get to evolved that posts are not needed. The thread is, for lack of a better term, "Enlightened".

But rare is the evolutionary thread. Most threads devolve into food, sex, alcohol, or drugs.

What I wonder is, are the death of all those lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ever mourned for/commemorated outside Japan? The vast majority of the deceased were innocents. It would be a cruel irony if they weren't.

My thesis?

Eventually, all internet threads eather evolve or devolve. They can evolve into politics, moral thought, or religion. Some threads can get to evolved that posts are not needed. The thread is, for lack of a better term, "Enlightened".

But rare is the evolutionary thread. Most threads devolve into food, sex, alcohol, or drugs.
What if they begin as food, sex, alcohol or drugs? :p

What I wonder is, are the death of all those lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ever mourned for/commemorated outside Japan? The vast majority of the deceased were innocents. It would be a cruel irony if they weren't.

Just like LG said.

And so says my thesis.

What if they begin as food, sex, alcohol or drugs? :p

They can evolve into the upper level topics, but cannot devolve.

They are ameobas to the enlightened gods.

What I wonder is, are the death of all those lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ever mourned for/commemorated outside Japan? The vast majority of the deceased were innocents. It would be a cruel irony if they weren't.

Oh, believe me, they are. Weren't you around in August/September? Don't worry, everyone took the opportunity presented by mourning bomb victims to call America "teh great satan!"

But that's not the point. We had those threads three months ago.

Oh, believe me, they are. Weren't you around in August/September? Don't worry, everyone took the opportunity presented by mourning bomb victims to call America "teh great satan!"

But that's not the point. We had those threads three months ago.
I'm not American, and to my knowledge, we do little to commemorate these deaths in Europe. Perhaps because they weren't relevant to us though. We don't commemorate the deaths of those lost in Pearl Harbour either.

What I wonder is, are the death of all those lost in the Nanjing area ever mourned for/commemorated outside China? The vast majority of the deceased were innocents. It would be a cruel irony if they weren't.

We can just switch it around, you know. While Japan is a very popular country, it should be recalled that the IJA decided to "let's have our fresh recruits kill civilians to desensitize them to the horrors of war" in the past. Both Japan and the United States have considerable innocent blood on their hands over WW2, and Japan would have had killed more civilians if it had the ability to strategically bomb American factories.

What I wonder is, are the death of all those lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ever mourned for/commemorated outside Japan? The vast majority of the deceased were innocents. It would be a cruel irony if they weren't.

I do. Believe me ... I do. I even made the backhanded "we saved lives by nuking children" comment.

I do. Believe me ... I do. I even made the backhanded "we saved lives by nuking children" comment.
Good on you. :) I am not particularly emotional, or touched by events which are of little relevance to me. Yet, when so many innocent lives are lost, I do believe we could accord the deceased an amount of cordial respect.

My stance is this:

"If you, or a member of your family who survives physically or in memory, was directly affected by various 'ZOMG' dates in history, then this event is important to you. You should commemorate the occasion to confirm the meaning of those events in such a life. However, if this does not involve you, then please don't join the 'Let's pretend we're mature and we'll ape the grown-ups' crowd. While yes, commemorating tragic events show your condolences to the dead or affected, by ganging up en masse to the topic, you devalue it by saturation."

My stance is this:

"If you, or a member of your family who survives physically or in memory, was directly affected by various 'ZOMG' dates in history, then this event is important to you. You should commemorate the occasion to confirm the meaning of those events in such a life. However, if this does not involve you, then please don't join the 'Let's pretend we're mature and we'll ape the grown-ups' crowd. While yes, commemorating tragic events show your condolences to the dead or affected, by ganging up en masse to the topic, you devalue it by saturation."
I agree here. I am particularly sang-froid, to the point of being called callous, yet commemoration beyond a certain degree turns into false sympathy, which is devoid of any true meaning.

Yes, remember the Japanese, because their's was the greater sacrifice.

Yes, remember the Japanese, because their's was the greater sacrifice.

Dude that was during the post-war years, in the Godzilla era.

It was either this, or get hijacked by the "Should AMerica have dropped the Bomb on Japan?" crowd.

I think I prefer this. :)
Oh God no, please no. I'm really not in the mood nor up to arguing that AGAIN!

You may ignore the man, but not the 'stache.


That stache...

Hmm..

Bit of a "San Francisco Carwash", aint it?

Its a shame. Because the Japanese were racist greedy jerkwads, 3,000 Americans had to die, including a few civillians. And, as payback, 250,000 Japanese had to die, including a few soliders. They started it.

Its a shame. Because the Japanese were racist greedy jerkwads, 3,000 Americans had to die, including a few civillians. And, as payback, 250,000 Japanese had to die, including a few soliders. They started it.
Umm. For the period of conflict between Japan and the US, the body count on both sides was a bit higher... and included a lot of people from other nations as well.