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What do NSers think about this? I'm overjoyed, as it means that the British public will have a real choice at the next election between a man who's slowly poisoning his golden economic inheritance, and a party shorn of its diehard elements and finally facing up to the 21st century.

There now follows a party election broadcast on the behalf of the Labour Party.
[clip of Lamont on Black Wednesday]
You all remember Black Wednesday, and would never want that to happen again. But the Conservative Party has changed, hasn't it? Who's this in the background though?
[zooms in on David Cameron]
Yes, David Cameron was an advisor to the chancellor on Black Wednesday. Do you really want to trust him with the economy? Trust Gordon Brown. Vote Labour.
[picture of Labour rose]
That was a party election broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party.

(I'm a LibDem really.)

Well I supported Liam Fox... and i now think that the tories have lost any traces of conservatism left in them...

What do NSers think about this? I'm overjoyed, as it means that the British public will have a real choice at the next election between a man who's slowly poisoning his golden economic inheritance, and a party shorn of its diehard elements and finally facing up to the 21st century.
so we exchange a liar for yet another liar in another party... who cares ALL poleticians in england are worthless and only exist to line there own pockets! take the we want more pay in recent news for example

Well I supported Liam Fox... and i now think that the tories have lost any traces of conservatism left in them...

What do you mean by that? Margaret Thatcher was no traditional conservative, but I'm guessing you liked her.

Is this the Cameron with the "Let's just draw a line under the whole episode" attitude to drugs?

(I'm a LibDem really.)

Good stuff.

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I'm pleased Cameron won, because he's a complete wanker, and as such the Tories might finally fuck up hard enough that we could win a few seats.

Good stuff.

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I'm pleased Cameron won, because he's a complete wanker, and as such the Tories might finally fuck up hard enough that we could win a few seats.

So you really think Cameron is going to make the Conservatives more unpopular? Methinks someone's in denial...

Question for the UK people:

Which party gets (or takes) credit for pulling the UK out of the economic disaster from the mid-1960s through the 1970s?

Is this the Cameron with the "Let's just draw a line under the whole episode" attitude to drugs?
I loved the way he said 'draw a line', although most people don't find it funny. From dictionary.com:

draw: 3. To suck or take in (air, for example); inhale.
line: 33. Slang. A small amount of cocaine arranged in a thin, usually tightly rolled strip for sniffing.

Question for the UK people:

Which party gets (or takes) credit for pulling the UK out of the economic disaster from the mid-1960s through the 1970s?

I'm not sure any party gets universal credit for that. It rather depends on one's point of view and indeed whether one credits any party with it. It's a question of history, not a point of political trivia.

Question for the UK people:

Which party gets (or takes) credit for pulling the UK out of the economic disaster from the mid-1960s through the 1970s?

It was Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government in the 1980s that after some initially very painful reforms finally got the economy going again, and we ceased to be the sick man of Europe.

Sadly, the swiftness of the changes meant that to some they were extremely harsh, which explains why many former miners/shipyard workers fell very resentful towards her.

I'm not sure any party gets universal credit for that. It rather depends on one's point of view and indeed whether one credits any party with it. It's a question of history, not a point of political trivia.
I'm just thinking that someone must play up their role in turning it all around, and slagging on the parties that "were responsible for the disaster".

I'm just thinking that someone must play up their role in turning it all around, and slagging on the parties that "were responsible for the disaster".

To most commentators, it's slipping into the past, and our recent economic good fortune means that we are less inclined to be dealing out blame.

I'm just thinking that someone must play up their role in turning it all around, and slagging on the parties that "were responsible for the disaster".

Absolutely. Thing is, both parties play up their role, and dump shit on the others. The Tories probably have a better case, but that's way off meaning they're right.

Absolutely. Thing is, both parties play up their role, and dump shit on the others. The Tories probably have a better case, but that's way off meaning they're right.

A reasonable statement to make could be that although the post-war consensus which both parties followed caused the economic difficulties, it was the Tories who finally made decisions that ended the prolonged decline.

I'm just thinking that someone must play up their role in turning it all around, and slagging on the parties that "were responsible for the disaster".

The "Winter of Discontent" was a major feature of Conservative electioneering during the eighties. Basically they would show news footage of 1979, and ask if anyone wanted to return to it.

I suppose, the black wednesday debacle has overshadowed that these days. (That and "no more tory boom and bust." :rolleyes:)

In reality however, the country's problems in the late seventies were far more severe than black wednesday, being entrenched and structural &c.

so we exchange a liar for yet another liar in another party... who cares ALL poleticians in england are worthless and only exist to line there own pockets! take the we want more pay in recent news for example

Of course there is the fact that they work 70-odd hour weeks, are subject to enormous scrutiny in their private lives and that most of them are so intensely qualified that they could easily earn far more money working in the private sector, but sure, I agree that lazy caricatures can be fun.

Although I'm no longer Conservative, I will say I am pleased to hear that Cameron beat stale old Davis. :)

Ideologically I'm more inclined to support Davis but I can't ignore the fact that Cameron is fundamentally more electable and will give us a good shot at the next election.

I basically lost any faith in the Tories with Clarke's loss in the elections. I would have preferred him as party leader. I am a proponent of the EU, and therefore any party opposed to it will not attract my support. Labour is abysmal, so I am stuck with either making my own party or staying with the Liberal-Dem's. Or not caring at all.

Of course there is the fact that they work 70-odd hour weeks, are subject to enormous scrutiny in their private lives and that most of them are so intensely qualified that they could easily earn far more money working in the private sector, but sure, I agree that lazy caricatures can be fun.
when they chose that line of work they knew the things they would be put thrugh it still doesnt justify being able to simply go to work and say hay i think we need a payrise and getting it if i as well as 99% of the workers of england asked we would get the reply b*llocks from our bosses!!

Prime Minister Questions was interesting today, with Blair and Cameron agreeing on most issues, which I found a little distrubing. The trick Cameron's using is quite clever - by telling Blair the Conservatives will support the education bill, Blair can afford to go further and not worry about losing a lot of backbench support. We'll effectively end up with Conservative government by proxy. Then, when it'll do the most damage, the Conservatives can drop their support and when a vote of confidence is called, Blair will lose massively.

Prime Minister Questions was interesting today, with Blair and Cameron agreeing on most issues, which I found a little distrubing. The trick Cameron's using is quite clever - by telling Blair the Conservatives will support the education bill, Blair can afford to go further and not worry about losing a lot of backbench support. We'll effectively end up with Conservative government by proxy. Then, when it'll do the most damage, the Conservatives can drop their support and when a vote of confidence is called, Blair will lose massively.

Sounds good to me... As a Conservative myself I'm glad to see Cameron elected. Maybe we'll finally be rid of Blair. Even the Lib Dems have got to be pleased by that... :fluffle:

I am mildly upset. Call me old fashioned, but I would rather elect a party based on policies rather than who looks best in fron of the camera.

(Incidentally has anyone seen the front cover of the newest "Private Eye"? :D)

Sod it, Looks like there is no recourse other than to vote Official Monster Raving Loony Party.

basicaly regardless of whomever is in power things will still happen as in these statements an im glad they will still be here for u all to look at as a little '' i told ya so in 10 years time''

1.The U.K WILL accept the euro as a national currency and become even further intergrated as part of the eu slowly becoming a superstate
2. All power will be eroded into brussles leaving a ''puppet'' government for the masses in the U.K to blame
3. Due to massive immigration influx the people riot becouse there was no time for intergration and acceptance
4. The U.K' economy collapses becouse it cannot afford the large pension payouts or the massive social service payouts to the unemployed and immirants
5. The streets of the U.K become a battlefeild becouse this lack of money and gangs such as combat18 as well as others from opposing sides jocky for both money and power
6. The E.U send in troops to enforce ''peace'' so the U.K becomes a state run by french/german troops

so basicaly in my oppinion (with both past and present influences) we are buggred totaly.
and as for the government works for 70 hours a week how the hell do u explain not being able to pay rates on sat/sunday 70 hours over a 10 hour shift = 7 working days in total so im saying ur talking out ur ass on that matter unless you can prove it (please bear in mind government offices start at 7am and close at 5 hence the 10 hour day... :P )

Oh please. :rolleyes: Not another "aRrGh!!1! TeH EvIl EU wIll dEsTrOy Teh Uber - BrItAiN!11!! KiLl tEh ImmIgRaNtS AnD TeH eViL BrUsSeLs ChEeSe EeTiNg FoRiEgNerZoRz!!11!

Talk about exaggeration.

Oh please. :rolleyes: Not another "aRrGh!!1! TeH EvIl EU wIll dEsTrOy Teh Uber - BrItAiN!11!! KiLl tEh ImmIgRaNtS AnD TeH eViL BrUsSeLs ChEeSe EeTiNg FoRiEgNerZoRz!!11!

Talk about exaggeration.
na just basic observations on government i actualy like immigrants so long as they are in england to be a part of it and not to stay on benifits for the rest of time,immigrants who are a working part of england add flair and colour to an otherwise ''greay'' country sure we got rolling hills and feilds of green but u cant beat a kebab after a deacent p*ss up!
and as for killing brussles well.... i cant object to that i do admit to being anti-european owing to personal experiance.