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Make your case, for or against.

Deep Kimchi stands accused of being a neocon - make your case for or against that idea.

I think it's worse. I think you're a Decepticon.

Make your case, for or against.

Deep Kimchi stands accused of being a neocon - make your case for or against that idea.
No, you're not a "neocon." You are, however, militaristic and a bit demented ... like me! :D

I think it's worse. I think you're a Decepticon.
Oh yeah? Well, I'm the Rubicon. Don't cross me! :p

No, you're not a "neocon." You are, however, militaristic and a bit demented ... like me! :D

Sounds like a neo-con to me... ;)

I think you're an apologist for the Bush administration, which isn't quite the same thing. I don't know your stance on extending global hegemony, for instance, which is a vital part of the PNAC agenda.

I think you're an apologist for the Bush administration, which isn't quite the same thing. I don't know your stance on extending global hegemony, for instance, which is a vital part of the PNAC agenda.
Well, here I am. Ask your questions, and I shall give testimony!

Make your case, for or against.

Deep Kimchi stands accused of being a neocon - make your case for or against that idea.

Well, either you're a neocon or a treehugging pink leftie (withUS or againstUS). You know the drill.

Sounds like a neo-con to me... ;)
You need to revise your definition, K-dude! :p

Oh yeah? Well, I'm the Rubicon. Don't cross me! :p

Out-punned in transformers references... nooooooo

You cannot...destroy...my...destiny!

Well, here I am. Ask your questions, and I shall give testimony!
Nah--don't really care if you're a neocon or not.

You need to revise your definition, K-dude! :p

I was referring specifically to the demented part, but...

How would you define "neo-conservative"? I figure that they're economic rationalists with an unhealthy dose of blind patriotism and possibly open religious leanings. Bearing in mind that the term isn't really used to describe anyone in our political system...the only time it is mentioned is in relation to the USA, really.

Out-punned in transformers references... nooooooo

You cannot...destroy...my...destiny!
Hehehe! BUSTED! :D

What I find interesting is that foes of the current administration invariably get around to the dreaded "PNAC".

In my current experience, the only people who mention PNAC are not Republicans. I have never heard a live Republican mention PNAC. Not once.

There are only six staffers at PNAC. A rather small organization to evoke such paranoia.

Make your case, for or against.

Deep Kimchi stands accused of being a neocon - make your case for or against that idea.

Nope. You ain't a Jewish Hawk, therefore you can't be a Neocon.

You are, at best, a Libertarian Leaning Paleocon and, at "worst" a Reganite Hawk. ;)

You are a neocon mouthpiece due to blind defense of the rightwing neocons and knee-jerk reactionism full of red herrings and ad hominems.

Neocon? Nah ... I doubt you're rich enough and you don't appear to hate Jews (typical neocon trait).

Apologist? Probably, but I don't pay that much attention.

Do you and I agree politically? No ... but that doesn't make you a neocon.

J'accuse!

Je vous accuse d'avoir fait référence à vous-même à la troisième personne, et d'avoir, ainsi, pété plus haut que votre propre cul.

Does William Kristol refer to himself in the third person?

Neocon? Nah ... I doubt you're rich enough and you don't appear to hate Jews (typical neocon trait).

Apologist? Probably, but I don't pay that much attention.

Do you and I agree politically? No ... but that doesn't make you a neocon.

Aren't a lot of neocons jews? Like Irving Kristol &c.

Aren't a lot of neocons jews? Like Irving Kristol &c.

Self-loathing bastards the lot of them.

Neocon? Nah ... I doubt you're rich enough and you don't appear to hate Jews (typical neocon trait).




That's right, Paul Wolfowitz hates Jews doesn't he?

Does William Kristol refer to himself in the third person?

J'espère que non.

Self-loathing bastards the lot of them.

Maybe. But as my jewish friends always tell me, if you're not a self hating jew, you're not doing it properly.

That's right, Paul Wolfowitz hates Jews doesn't he?

Apparently some of you don't realise that you can be a Jew and still hate Jews.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with extreme zionism and how it hurts the Jewish people or maybe you're not realising that these neocons are hurting the Jewish people by making the Protocols seem true.

*shrug*

Maybe. But as my jewish friends always tell me, if you're not a self hating jew, you're not doing it properly.

Rofl ... yeah, well ... there's a difference. :p

J'accuse!

Je vous accuse d'avoir fait référence à vous-même à la troisième personne, et d'avoir, ainsi, pété plus haut que votre propre cul.
If that's a crime, Sinuhue must also be guilty.

If that's a crime, Sinuhue must also be guilty.

Condamnée, d'ores et déjà.

Aren't a lot of neocons jews? Like Irving Kristol &c.

The term "Neocon" was initially used as a perjorative to describe Podhertz, Kristol, etc. - i.e. visible, political Jews who visibly and vocally buck stereotype and promote "Conservative" (mostly Hawkish) viewpoints. In turn, this has lead to various conspiracy theories about both the "Control" of Jews in the administration as well as the assertion that attacking Hawks and Bush Supporters by calling them "Neocons" is anti-semitic (or at least anti Zionist - see Pat Buchanan...).

Here's a good discussion of the Jewish/Neocon thing.

http://www.detroitjewishnews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=721

For those who haven’t heard the conspiracy theory — which has been circulating through Europe and the Middle East for some time before making it to the floor of Congress and into the pages of mainstream U.S. news media — it goes something like this:

A few dozen crafty neoconservatives — in short, former liberals with hawkish intentions and often Jewish-sounding surnames — have abducted U.S. foreign policy and surreptitiously forced the nation down a heady path of imperialism intended to help Israel and the Likud Party.

Among those most often accused of leading the so-called cabal — an interesting choice of words considering that its origins come from the Hebrew word Kabbalah, which refers to Jewish mysticism — are Richard Perle, a member of the Pentagon’s influential Defense Policy Board; Paul Wolfowitz, deputy secretary of defense, and Douglas Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy.

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Noted one prominent Washington Jewish neocon, “It happens to be a bunch of people who have a certain world view, in the Republican Party, mainly centered around foreign policy issues. They’re just doing the same thing other folks do, but maybe the [Jewish] history [of neoconservatism] lends itself to conspirators.”

Irving Kristol, often called the godfather of neocons, is frequently quoted as defining a neoconservative as a “liberal who has been mugged by reality.”

That reality, most neocons readily admit, is that the neoconservative movement originated among a crowd of once-liberal New York Jews, some of them radical, who had begun to question the Democratic Party’s leftist tendencies.

As Podhoretz once explained, they loathed communism, believed in welfare to a point, were relatively friendly toward organized labor and enthusiastically supported Israel.

But today’s neoconservatives — it should be noted the term has been used as a pejorative since its inception, even though some neocons wear it as a badge of honor — don’t believe they’re solely, or even predominantly, responsible for the current administration’s backing of Israel.

Condamnée, d'ores et déjà.

Les preuves me semblent en effet irréfutables...

Apparently some of you don't realise that you can be a Jew and still hate Jews.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with extreme zionism and how it hurts the Jewish people or maybe you're not realising that these neocons are hurting the Jewish people by making the Protocols seem true.

*shrug*


Thanks for that - perhaps you're unfamiliar with the fact that extreme zionism and neo-conservatism aren't actually the same thing?

I merely challenged your assertion that all neo-cons are anti-semites.

Thanks for that - perhaps you're unfamiliar with the fact that extreme zionism and neo-conservatism aren't actually the same thing?

They go hand in hand.

I merely challenged your assertion that all neo-cons are anti-semites.

*shrug* Challenge away ... I stand on what I've seen and experienced with neocon politics. It's an opinion, not a fact. Which is why I said it's a "typical neocon trait" and not a "definite neocon trait".

Meh. Don't worry about it. Depending on the conversation, I'm regularly accused of being either a neocon capitalist pig or an ultraprogressive liberal, depending on what idiot I'm speaking to.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with extreme zionism and how it hurts the Jewish people or maybe you're not realising that these neocons are hurting the Jewish people by making the Protocols seem true.You mean sort of like the "Global Ummah or Death!" Moslems? :rolleyes:

AFAIC Israel has a lot more to worry about (destruction wise) than do their foes. :headbang:

Meh. Don't worry about it. Depending on the conversation, I'm regularly accused of being either a neocon capitalist pig or an ultraprogressive liberal, depending on what idiot I'm speaking to.
Hah! :D I've been banned from Liberal boards for being a Neocon and from Conservative boards for being a Godless Liberal.

Libertarians get no respect... ;)

You mean sort of like the "Global Ummah or Death!" Moslems? :rolleyes:

AFAIC Israel has a lot more to worry about (destruction wise) than do their foes. :headbang:

Just on numbers alone, figure 14 million Jews vs. over one billion Muslims.

Technically speaking, the Muslims could walk into Israel with a rock in each hand, and take the place.

You mean sort of like the "Global Ummah or Death!" Moslems? :rolleyes:

Exactly, but why roll the eyes. Have you forgotten, like Eutrusca does so often, that I'm a Jew?

Technically speaking, the Muslims could walk into Israel with a rock in each hand, and take the place.

Yeah ... but we won't. It would be funny, though.

Libertarians get no respect... ;)
With political polls sinking new lows for the Republicrats, let's hope that changes in '06. ;)

Yeah ... but we won't. It would be funny, though.
No, it won't happen because the non-Arab Muslims are too far away to care, and the Arabs will always be as T.E. Lawrence predicted so presciently.

I was referring specifically to the demented part, but...

How would you define "neo-conservative"? I figure that they're economic rationalists with an unhealthy dose of blind patriotism and possibly open religious leanings. Bearing in mind that the term isn't really used to describe anyone in our political system...the only time it is mentioned is in relation to the USA, really.
Neocons internationally: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Neocons economically: The neoconservative generally views neoliberal economics as a way to achieve their agenda. There is free trade advocacy and military-industrial complex propaganda further to the global economic monoculture in their agenda.

Like many classic or "old right" conservatives, neoconservatives generally believe in supply side economics (often known as Reaganomics).

The foreign policy idea of neoconservative relates to the domestic idea of a common sense conservative most strongly in the view that tax cuts are inherently good for the economy, no matter how the public spends the money that they keep.

Neocons' social agenda: "Old Left."

Good source: http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Neoconservatism_(United_States)/

No, it won't happen because the non-Arab Muslims are too far away to care, and the Arabs will always be as T.E. Lawrence predicted so presciently.

It would still be funny ... a billion Muslims with rocks in hand marching on Israel. Comedy galore. I sense a Mel Brooks film.

Have you forgotten, like Eutrusca does so often, that I'm a Jew?
A Jewish Muslim who plays guitar and indulges in obfuscation, misdirection, and online tom-foolery! :D

It would still be funny ... a billion Muslims with rocks in hand marching on Israel. Comedy galore. I sense a Mel Brooks film.

Well, if we MUST be subjected to another film centered in Jerusalem - beter Mel Brooks than Mel Gibson!


As to the actual thread: I don't care if you fall into the category of the standard, publicly defined catch-bin of "NeoCon" or not. Labels rarely interest me.


Besides, far more important is the simple fact I just know that you're .......... WRONG!

:D

Besides, far more important is the simple fact I just know that you're .......... WRONG!

:D

You wouldn't say that if you were at one of my wife's house parties...

You wouldn't say that if you were at one of my wife's house parties...
I still have yet to receive pics as requested a long time ago. And being the kinky perv I am, I'd still like to view this "evidence". :D

Exactly, but why roll the eyes. Have you forgotten, like Eutrusca does so often, that I'm a Jew?
Nope. I was rolling my eyes at the idea that Zionisim ("Israel/Jerusalem is ours dammit!") is somehow comparable to Global Ummah ("The World is Ours Dammit! Dhimmitude or Death!")

I still have yet to receive pics as requested a long time ago. And being the kinky perv I am, I'd still like to view this "evidence". :D
Yeah, me too!!!! I was left out as well!

Yeah, me too!!!! I was left out as well!

I still have not forgotten how I was snubbed, as well, and continued to be so despite repeated requests.

Nope. I was rolling my eyes at the idea that Zionisim ("Israel/Jerusalem is ours dammit!") is somehow comparable to Global Ummah ("The World is Ours Dammit! Dhimmitude or Death!")

Heh ... well I didn't make that comparison. They're entirely different animals.

and online tom-foolery! :D

The world would be a better place if more people committed random acts of tom-foolery.

Why am I not suprised that Fass and Syn share my perverse request, and remember what I'm talking about? :p

Why am I not suprised that Fass and Syn share my perverse request, and remember what I'm talking about? :p

Ditto.

Make your case, for or against.

Deep Kimchi stands accused of being a neocon - make your case for or against that idea.

you = my daddy

You wouldn't say that if you were at one of my wife's house parties...


*sigh*

Yes. We ALL get it. you and your wife are swingers.

If we know nothing else about your personal life, you have certainly made this point abundantly clear. Ad nauseum.

What? Do you bring it up so often because it gives you some supposed status with the teenaged boys here?

I dunno.


I'm a little too old to find your sex life to be anything of my concern, and have lived too much to consider your preferences anything unique, or even anything too far outside the norm.

I'm neither shocked, mortified, intrigued, or even mildly interested in it. I reserve my interest in my own orgasms, and those of my wife.

If it makes you and your wife happy - well good for you.




My only opinion on the matter is that I'm rather tired of hearing about it.

My only opinion on the matter is that I'm rather tired of hearing about it.

I'm not making any offers, and I believe that more of these posts come from others than from me.

Meh, I've always thought you just sound like a regular old conservative. And a well-spoken one at that.

*snip*
Dude, stop harshing his mellow. He's not even the one talking about it, mostly!
Some of us kinkos do care what we NS'ers do with our "stuff" offline. ;)

Neocon - not sure

crazy guy who seems to enjoy his guns and killing people a bit too much and seems to back just about ANYTHING the Bush administration does (you may not agree with everything but you are quick to defend them) - yeah

but the bottom line is: "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Seuss (via Elena)

Make your case, for or against.

Deep Kimchi stands accused of being a neocon - make your case for or against that idea.

Neoconservatives are distinguished from other Conservativos for:

- For unilateralist action in the foreign scene, if necessary.
DK - Well, you aren't for the invasion of Iraq (right?(, but i bet you would support unilateral action against some other country.. but these things are hard to frame. You reject the UN, and I suppose other forms of International governance (I think), so I would say you are semi-neocon here.

- For spending goverments
DK - I bet you are not, therefore not neocon.

Well, I reckon you are 1/4 NeoCon, but I also recognize I am being brutally arrogant and taking wild guesses. Sorry :p

hmmm didnt you serve in the military?

i thought all the neocons were chickenhawks


(and i agree with silliopolous)

you = my daddy
Well, they say it's a wise man who knows his own father, but this is just carrying things to a totally ridiculous limit, I suspect. :D

My only opinion on the matter is that I'm rather tired of hearing about it.
Heh! Then don't read posts about it! :p