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"And there is no reason that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not--Iraqis should be doing that.
- John Kerry - Face the Nation - December 4, 2005

"And there is no reason that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not--Iraqis should be doing that.
- John Kerry - Face the Nation - December 4, 2005
So what was the bit of the quote before 'And there is no reason'? Unless there wasn't anything, then it seems it's just poor verbal structuring on Kerry's part.

It just sounds hilarious. Almost like a Bushism.

"And there is no reason that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not--Iraqis should be doing that.
- John Kerry - Face the Nation - December 4, 2005
Wow.

I've never seen anybody on this forum so pathetically twist somebodys slightly poorly chosen words in order to try and find a story.

Actually, I take that back. I've seen you do it before. Just not that badly.

Wow.

I've never seen anybody on this forum so pathetically twist somebodys slightly poorly chosen words in order to try and find a story.

Actually, I take that back. I've seen you do it before.

Not looking for a story. Just looking to see if other people do Bushisms.

No one cuts Bush any slack on twisted, out of context errors. So why should I cut anyone else any slack?

Not looking for a story. Just looking to see if other people do Bushisms.

No one cuts Bush any slack on twisted, out of context errors. So why should I cut anyone else any slack?
Way to rise above it and be the 'bigger man'.

No one cuts Bush any slack on twisted, out of context errors. So why should I cut anyone else any slack?

You shouldn't. Though as someone who considered both Bush and Kerry unsuitable for the presidency of the USA I may be a bit biased.

Wow.

I've never seen anybody on this forum so pathetically twist somebodys slightly poorly chosen words in order to try and find a story.

Actually, I take that back. I've seen you do it before. Just not that badly.Never? Really? You should look back to last September.

You know, if the Iraqis were just going to terrorize each other I'd be shouting for the US to leave right now. Unfortunately if we leave now Iraq will very likely become like post soviet Afghanistan and begin exporting terrorism.

Not looking for a story. Just looking to see if other people do Bushisms.

No one cuts Bush any slack on twisted, out of context errors. So why should I cut anyone else any slack?
"Pooty can't do this to me - attack Russia! No, wait! I meant contact Russia." That's why.

Edit: the point I'm making is that Bush's mistakes have much more significance than those of the average person.

Never? Really? You should look back to last September.
As in 2004 and 2005?

"Kerry Thinks Iraqis Should Terrorize Each Other!"

That BASTID! Hehehe! :D

You shouldn't. Though as someone who considered both Bush and Kerry unsuitable for the presidency of the USA I may be a bit biased.

Maybe there's something wrong with the curriculum at Yale. Look at what it produced in Kerry and Bush.

As in 2004 and 2005?
Well, 2004 more than 2005, though you might find a thread or two that twists words poorly in there, too.

As I recall, everyone was twisting everyone else's words during the election year. It was damned ugly, and it was coming from both liberals and conservatives.

Well, 2004 more than 2005, though you might find a thread or two that twists words poorly in there, too.

As I recall, everyone was twisting everyone else's words during the election year. It was damned ugly, and it was coming from both liberals and conservatives.
Well, that's ok, because I said
I've never seen anybody on this forum so pathetically twist somebodys slightly poorly chosen words in order to try and find a story.

And I wasn't posting here in September 2004.

No one cuts Bush any slack on twisted, out of context errors. So why should I cut anyone else any slack?
Because Bush says clearly stupid shit like "Never is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
There is poor sentence structure then there is "You are an idiot."

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I've never seen anybody on this forum so pathetically twist somebodys slightly poorly chosen words in order to try and find a story.
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Twisting words is good4u. Makes you choose them better next time.

Because Bush says clearly stupid shit like "Never is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
There is poor sentence structure then there is "You are an idiot."

Your bias is showing - when Bush misspeaks, it's "you are an idiot". When anyone else misspeaks, it's just a simple mistake.

Your bias is showing - when Bush misspeaks, it's "you are an idiot". When anyone else misspeaks, it's just a simple mistake.
If you can't conjugate 'to be' in your native language, you are an idiot. I don't care who you are.

If you can't conjugate 'to be,' you are an idiot. I don't care who you are.

I do believe the correct quote is "If you don't know what the definition of the word is is then you don't deserve 'to be' the president of the united states." or something to that effect from Lewis Black.

If you can't conjugate 'to be' in your native language, you are an idiot. I don't care who you are.

So, are you saying that the author of The Bell Curve was right? IIRC, he implied that African-Americans were idiots.

How many times have you heard an African-American misuse the verb "to be" - by failing to conjugate it correctly?

So, are you saying that the author of The Bell Curve was right? IIRC, he implied that African-Americans were idiots.

How many times have you heard an African-American misuse the verb "to be" - by failing to conjugate it correctly?
And off we go on a defend Bush tangent.
You must find some one who opposes Bush and attack them with... a red herring!

Not looking for a story. Just looking to see if other people do Bushisms.

No one cuts Bush any slack on twisted, out of context errors. So why should I cut anyone else any slack?
Sure we do--we may poke fun at his linguistic feats of legerdemain, but when we bitch Bush out, it's not for those. It's for lying us into a war, it's for running up massive deficits while cutting taxes for the rich, it's for aiding and abetting torture.

Yeah, we snicker when he says "it's hard to put food on your family," but that's not why we say he's the worst president ever (I used to say the last hundred years, but he's moved up). We've got plenty of other reasons for that.

And off we go on a defend Bush tangent.
You must find some one who opposes Bush and attack them with... a red herring!
When you stick one out like this:

Originally Posted by Teh_pantless_hero
"If you can't conjugate 'to be,' you are an idiot. I don't care who you are."

I just had to use the herring you handed to me.

Sure we do--we may poke fun at his linguistic feats of legerdemain, but when we bitch Bush out, it's not for those. It's for lying us into a war, it's for running up massive deficits while cutting taxes for the rich, it's for aiding and abetting torture.

Yeah, we snicker when he says "it's hard to put food on your family," but that's not why we say he's the worst president ever (I used to say the last hundred years, but he's moved up). We've got plenty of other reasons for that.


I find it truely sad how misinformed the general public is. What if there were no, CNN, or, Michael Moore, or, or, Liberals.......

And off we go on a defend Bush tangent.
You must find some one who opposes Bush and attack them with... a red herring!
No. You must find someone who attacks Bush at every opportunity and pound them with ... a trout! :D

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So, are you saying that the author of The Bell Curve was right? IIRC, he implied that African-Americans were idiots.

How many times have you heard an African-American misuse the verb "to be" - by failing to conjugate it correctly?
Actually, I've heard it misused across the ethnic spectrum, just as I've heard it used properly across the spectrum--stupidity knows no particular ethnicity, although you seem to be implying that the ability to conjugate the verb "to be" is linked in that way.

Your racism is showing--you might want to tuck it back some.

Actually, I've heard it misused across the ethnic spectrum, just as I've heard it used properly across the spectrum--stupidity knows no particular ethnicity, although you seem to be implying that the ability to conjugate the verb "to be" is linked in that way.

Your racism is showing--you might want to tuck it back some.

I'm not the one who's racist. I'm pointing out that someone else's statement about an inability to conjugate the verb "to be" being equal to idiocy no matter who they are.

He's saying that they're idiots - not me.

When you stick one out like this:

Originally Posted by Teh_pantless_hero
"If you can't conjugate 'to be,' you are an idiot. I don't care who you are."

I just had to use the herring you handed to me.
Wrong, I was following your tangent when some one mentioned Bush and you defended him, so I countered, then you said some knee jerk bullshit, so I said that. Then, you attack African Americans in order to divert attention away from the president of the United States failing to properly conjugate 'to be' in his native language.

You are a troll and should be tossed off this forum and locked under a bridge with the rest of them.

And, not all African Americans fail to conjugate 'to be' and the ones that do, do it purposefully to look "cool," which makes them morons, not idiots.

I'm not the one who's racist. I'm pointing out that someone else's statement about an inability to conjugate the verb "to be" being equal to idiocy no matter who they are.

He's saying that they're idiots - not me.
Nope--you're the one who brought ethnicity into the conversation. He said "if you can't conjugate 'to be' in your native language, you're an idiot. I don't care who you are." Nothing about race--just a general statement about people who can't conjugate.

You brought race into the discussion, so as I said, you might want to tuck it back a little, keep it from hanging out there so much. Or you might want to ask yourself why you projected his comments to mean African-Americans, you know, in case you're into the whole soul-searching thing.

Nope--you're the one who brought ethnicity into the conversation. He said "if you can't conjugate 'to be' in your native language, you're an idiot. I don't care who you are." Nothing about race--just a general statement about people who can't conjugate.

You brought race into the discussion, so as I said, you might want to tuck it back a little, keep it from hanging out there so much. Or you might want to ask yourself why you projected his comments to mean African-Americans, you know, in case you're into the whole soul-searching thing.
Hard to be racist when my grandfather is African-American.

I project it to mean "everyone" as he said it was intended to mean.

That includes, directly, any African-American who can't conjugate "to be".

People are being ridiculously paranoid. So what if skin colour was brought up? It certainly sprung to my mind, even if I is not a racist. We should be nice to DK, even if he is often (usually :) )wrong, he at least bothers to back up some of what he says. An evil neocon, who bothers to do so is a rarity on this forum.

Not that he needs my defense, even if he is always outnumbered, he's never outgunned.

Hard to be racist when my grandfather is African-American.

I project it to mean "everyone" as he said it was intended to mean.

That includes, directly, any African-American who can't conjugate "to be".No it isn't. You did it.

Perhaps I jumped a touch too far when I said "your racism is showing," because that implies you're an open racist. But you did make a racist statement--no doubt about that, even if your grandfather is African-American. You introduced race into a discussion where it had not made an entrance before, and did so in a stereotypical way. That's as racist as if you'd said "all Jews have big noses."

Making that sort of statement doesn't make you a bad person, in and of itself, but it should be a signal that maybe you ought to take a closer look at your attitudes toward stereotypes. It's an easy trap to fall into, and I fall into it from time to time myself. Constant struggle and all that.

People are being ridiculously paranoid. So what if skin colour was brought up? It certainly sprung to my mind, even if I is not a racist. We should be nice to DK, even if he is often (usually :) )wrong, he at least bothers to back up some of what he says. An evil neocon, who bothers to do so is a rarity on this forum.

Not that he needs my defense, even if he is always outnumbered, he's never outgunned.

I'm a neocon? Sounds like a good thread to start...

I find it truely sad how misinformed the general public is. What if there were no, CNN, or, Michael Moore, or, or, Liberals.......

Then George W. Bush would be your King.

Hard to be racist when my grandfather is African-American.

Not really. Lot of threads here surround the idea that black folks are way more racist than white folks. I don't agree with it, but plenty of people here will say you're genetically predisposed to racism because of your black blood.

Do a search .... it's crazy.

Not really. Lot of threads here surround the idea that black folks are way more racist than white folks. I don't agree with it, but plenty of people here will say you're genetically predisposed to racism because of your black blood.

Do a search .... it's crazy.

The point I usually try to make is that there are too many "racial" threads in my background to establish just "what" category I fall into.

About the only one I'm pretty sure of not falling into is any Native Americans - but if you figure some of my family have been here since before the Revolution...

Heh yes, Kerry can flub up too. Of course, he isn't the President of the free world, so it's not like international politics depends on his ability to communicate.... this thread is even less relevant than Clinton-bashing.

Hard to be racist when my grandfather is African-American.

I project it to mean "everyone" as he said it was intended to mean.

That includes, directly, any African-American who can't conjugate "to be".
And you went straight for declaring that every African American can't conjugate 'to be' and thus implying I was racist for calling them all idiots.

Haven't read this topic and don't want to waste my time doing so.

So I'll just get your rocks off:

OMG KERRY IS TEH W1N U R SO RITE KIMCHI I AM TEH LBIERAL AND <# TREES AND HIPIES AND HATE AMERIKA AND BUSH!!11111

I would like to offer up a strange little tangent here. George Bush used a word that isn’t, “misunderestimate” in reference to his opponents perception of him. This is widely regarded as a “Bushism” and whatever meaning it had was lost in the scorn it invoked.

Karl Rove used the same word in one of his own speeches.

Bush clearly doesn’t write his own speeches. How many of these so called “Bushisms” were directly written on that paper he has in front of him on the podium? How many times do you think he heard and spoke the words “Abu Ghraib” before he fucked them up on national television?

Think about it.

Bush clearly doesn’t write his own speeches. How many of these so called “Bushisms” were directly written on that paper he has in front of him on the podium? How many times do you think he heard and spoke the words “Abu Ghraib” before he fucked them up on national television?


Yeah ... but still ....

"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were," he said. "It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there."—Iowa Western Community College, Jan 21, 2000

You can't argue with that.

Yeah ... but still ....

"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were," he said. "It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there."—Iowa Western Community College, Jan 21, 2000

You can't argue with that.

Actually it makes a lot more sense if you put these ' ' things in there as such... 'them' and 'they'. I’m not saying he’s an English Major to be sure, merely that he is more cunning then he is given credit for.

I dont see a problem with this.

If I was an Iraqi citizen, who the authorities needed to "make a housecall" to, and lets assume I'm not hiding anything, and its a mistaken identy case, or an honest mistake...

I would much rather have an Iraqi officer/s who are going to be speaking my language, and likely calmer.
Its better than being held at gunpoint by some grunt with an m-16 yelling "GET YER FUCKING HANDS UP!!" , in an unintelligble foreign language , at 3 in the morning.

The only way we get our troops back is to have Iraqs own forces, able to competently conduct such searches.

Im thinking this is pretty much what Kerry was trying to say, and deliberately taking this out of context, is weak, at best.

Im thinking this is pretty much what Kerry was trying to say, and deliberately taking this out of context, is weak, at best.

Remember the classic, "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." Same deal.. the true intent is clear, but the quote is still funny.. both are much better in video playback than in text, but it's still good.

"And there is no reason that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not--Iraqis should be doing that.
- John Kerry - Face the Nation - December 4, 2005

Rofl! xD

I'm actually surprised Jon Stewart missed this one. >>

Rofl! xD

I'm actually surprised Jon Stewart missed this one. >>

The whole Kerry failed-candidacy situation is probably still something of an open wound to those guys.. did you see Colbert choking back tears on the election-night special? I musta replayed it a dozen times.. heh. ;)

The whole Kerry failed-candidacy situation is probably still something of an open wound to those guys.. did you see Colbert choking back tears on the election-night special? I musta replayed it a dozen times.. heh. ;)

The Daily Show has a liberal bias (that's why I love 'em), but usually they'll take a jab wherever they can get one in, no matter what side it's on.

Speaking of Colbert, have you watched the Colbert Report? It's so awesome, especially The Word. xD

The Daily Show has a liberal bias (that's why I love 'em), but usually they'll take a jab wherever they can get one in, no matter what side it's on.

Speaking of Colbert, have you watched the Colbert Report? It's so awesome, especially The Word. xD

Nah.. I lost cable when my neighborhood installed fiber-optic cable a month or so ago.. my not-altogether-legal cable box lost its magical powers and left me with basic.. channels 1-13 and 22-25.. :(

Nah.. I lost cable when my neighborhood installed fiber-optic cable a month or so ago.. my not-altogether-legal cable box lost its magical powers and left me with basic.. channels 1-13 and 22-25.. :(

Awr. :<

Well, basically, it's a parody of right-wing opinion shows like the O'Reilly Factor. It's pretty damn funny, at least to me.

American politics are awesome. I can't wait until our own politics follow suit.

Nah.. I lost cable when my neighborhood in :D :D stalled fiber-optic cable a month or so ago.. my not-altogether-legal cable box lost its magical powers and left me with basic.. channels 1-13 and 22-25.. :(aww ...that suxs

Kerry keeps trying to show people why he's one of the few candidates able to lose to president Bush in an election . The guys pathetic ..but at least he's not Dean ...the Dems have to look at the bright side...or is that a nightmare ? Dean is the leader of the PARTY....hmmm who does that whack job represent ? Come to think of it...they represent a small amount of like minded persons...a very small minority....and the majority usually wins an election...maybe they should have stayed in school for the math part .

The guys pathetic ..but at least he's not Dean
I feel I shouldn't have to point out the ridiculousness of that, but I do. Did you hear some talking points somewhere by one of the pundit gods about Dean? Really. This kind of bullshit is why the dirty Republicans win. They fight dirty and pundits throw around out of context sound clips and talking points.

Remember the classic, "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." Same deal.. the true intent is clear, but the quote is still funny.. both are much better in video playback than in text, but it's still good.
Actually, that wasn't jsut poor sentence structure, it was stupid sentence structure. It requires too much in-depth thought to figure out the "what the fuck are you talking about?" answer. Kerry's add-on, while dumb, wasn't so much "what the fuck are you talking about?" as "add a damn or or something you moron."

This kind of bullshit is why the dirty Republicans win. They fight dirty and pundits throw around out of context sound clips and talking points.

Yes, and no Democrat ever made fun of Bush using Bushisms and calling him "stupid".