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So the UK Conservatives (you know the party a little left wing of the Blair) will be announcing their new leader at 1500 GMT, We know he is going to be called David but which do you think has got it.

I tink Cameron migt sneak in
(I Personally wanted Boris Johnson Bah!)

Cameron easily.

Daily mail already projected him winner yesturday ;) and its estimated he should have 2/3's vote. Davis is slightly to extreme to be electable and Cameron also has the better public image..no brainer

Well, Cameron is said to be the strong favourite. The whole thing is absurd though, seeing as David Cameron's and David Davis' political views are way too similar. There's only a few issues on which they vastly differ. There's not going to be much difference who out of the two of them gets in.



(I Personally wanted Boris Johnson Bah!)


Hehe. He may be funny when hosting Have I Got News For You, but Boris running the country.... Hmmm, maybe not so funny

Cameron will get it, and that's the best thing to happen to the Conservative Party since Thatcher resigned.

Hehe. He may be funny when hosting Have I Got News For You, but Boris running the country.... Hmmm, maybe not so funny
Cameron wants to have Boris in his cabinet, apparently. Woo! :D

Cameron easily.

Daily mail already projected him winner yesturday ;) and its estimated he should have 2/3's vote. Davis is slightly to extreme to be electable and Cameron also has the better public image..no brainer

Ah the Mail has got him,
Weren't te Ballots for the party members printed in the daily mail to save on postage ;)

yes these things hold true

C of E=tory party at prayer
Daily mail/torygraph=tory party paper

as long as people remember thatcher, the 80s, boom and bust and norman lamont, they don't stand a chance no matter who their leader is

also, the way the tories "attacked" gordon brown's prebudget speech yesterday was appalling. not only was it pure rhetoric with no factual arguements (unlike the lib dem bloke who actually made some decent arguements), but it was also harking back to the same 'personality politics' they were so keen to dismiss (but still use) back at the last election :rolleyes:

no matter how "bad" the economy is now, its in no way as bad as it got under the tories, or how bad i'm sure it would still be today - or could be in the future - if they (had) got back in office

as long as people remember thatcher, the 80s, boom and bust and norman lamont, they don't stand a chance no matter who their leader is

also, the way the tories "attacked" gordon brown's prebudget speech yesterday was appalling. not only was it pure rhetoric with no factual arguements (unlike the lib dem bloke who actually made some decent arguements), but it was also harking back to the same 'personality politics' they were so keen to dismiss (but still use) back at the last election :rolleyes:

no matter how "bad" the economy is now, its in no way as bad as it got under the tories, or how bad i'm sure it would still be today - or could be in the future - if they (had) got back in office
Yeah, but you could say the same of the wonderful economy of the 1970s - 27% inflation, unemployment up by 1.5 million in 5 years, the worst industrial action of the century, and all under a Labour government. Blair managed to reinvent the party with 'New Labour', so Cameron or Davis will have to try to reinvent the Conservatives. New Tories anyone?

I don't remember thatcher directly.......
I remember that evil bastard major though grrrrr:mp5:

as long as people remember thatcher, the 80s, boom and bust and norman lamont, they don't stand a chance no matter who their leader is

also, the way the tories "attacked" gordon brown's prebudget speech yesterday was appalling. not only was it pure rhetoric with no factual arguements (unlike the lib dem bloke who actually made some decent arguements), but it was also harking back to the same 'personality politics' they were so keen to dismiss (but still use) back at the last election :rolleyes:

no matter how "bad" the economy is now, its in no way as bad as it got under the tories, or how bad i'm sure it would still be today - or could be in the future - if they (had) got back in office

Ahh the 80's *nostalgia sequence*
Yuppies, huge mobile Phones, Kit Cars, SKA, BBC micros, CND, Disruption, Derek Hatton, Strikes, American missile bases, Inflation, negative Equity, Riots, everyone own a council house, Mis-sold Endownments, 1 Pound notes, Rubiks cube, massive economic collapse, ahh how we miss our little miss dynamic, oh how she made me smile introducing the poll tax *Sigh* how I look in joy at the privitisation of every industry, which promptley sold up and closed it down, *happy tory days*

Yeah, but you could say the same of the wonderful economy of the 1970s - 27% inflation, unemployment up by 1.5 million in 5 years, the worst industrial action of the century, and all under a Labour government. Blair managed to reinvent the party with 'New Labour', so Cameron or Davis will have to try to reinvent the Conservatives. New Tories anyone?
new tories? eeewww... but his party will never stand for that - half the party want a return to the old days bringing thatcherism back from the dead as it is. i mean, tories and "forward looking" don't really go into the same sentence :p

yes you could say that about the 70s but they were blighted especially by the OPEC oil crises. the 20%+ inflation and millions of unemployed in the 80s were majoritatively the tories fault in comparison - certainly the engineered recession of '92 (thanks norman!:rolleyes: )

the oil price rises of this year are comparible to the '73 OPEC crisis in that crude prices have doubled. however, are we suffering a 3 day week? are power plants shutting down? no. and thats because of our economic stability since '97 (actually '94 tbh), and brown controlling the problem leading us into a slow, controlled decline rather than a recession/crisis. and thats all in an unfavourable world economic climate since the dot com bubble burst in 2000-ish, too.


for the media to call brown's prebudget report a 'crisis' or whatever nonsense words they are batting about is ridiculous and just pandering for a story after having being spoiled by so many years of healthy, positive economic growth and stability.

but i digress. back on topic: fuck the tories and their new leader.

back on topic: fuck the tories and their new leader.

word!

yes you could say that about the 70s but they were blighted especially by the OPEC oil crises. the 20%+ inflation and millions of unemployed in the 80s were majoritatively the tories fault in comparison - certainly the engineered recession of '92 (thanks norman!:rolleyes: )

the oil price rises of this year are comparible to the '73 OPEC crisis in that crude prices have doubled. however, are we suffering a 3 day week? are power plants shutting down? no. and thats because of our economic stability since '97 (actually '94 tbh), and brown controlling the problem leading us into a slow, controlled decline rather than a recession/crisis. and thats all in an unfavourable world economic climate since the dot com bubble burst in 2000-ish, too.
There was 20+% inflation in the 1970s as well - 26.9% in 1975 - and unemployment of 2 million (from around 300000 in 1968). Yes, the 1980s were bad, but Thatcher was being reactionary to the problems of the 1970s. I'm not saying that justifies what she did (nothing does), but if it hadn't been for a weak Labour government in the mid-70s, the trade unions wouldn't have felt they had so much power.
The OPEC crises in the 70s led to North Sea oil becoming economically viable, which caused problems for our exchange rate. Admittedly it did help our balance of payments. West Germany suffered from the oil shocks as well, but the manufacturing sector there didn't have trade unions on their back demanding 30% wage increases every six months.
And yes, Brown has managed the economy phenomenally well in the last 8 years. Part of me hopes he doesn't become prime minister, and stays chancellor for life.

Browns using the keynesianism theory of economics well, just interesting to see how that works under the cricis. Treading on tough times and what does he do when he needs to break his golden rule of not borrowing more money in an economic cycle, just increase his definition of an economic cycle by 2 years, risky in my opinion.

As for Davis and Cameron being the same, what where you watching. Cameron has stuck in the middle ground looking for hospital reforms scraping the passport idea and spoke about the enviroment and importance of education.

Davis went hardline conservative looking to never spend more money than the government had and increase in public schools.

well I am really bored. so I think I will watch the Election. mostly to listen to the Hurrumphing LOL

Oh, the suspense is killing me! :p

Oh, the suspense is killing me! :p

yes, but not as much as wondering if te webcast will also show bodger and badger, if it is a BBC1 feed.

everyone knows Badger likes mashed potato

Ooooh...unofficially, Cameron has won by a margin of 2 to 1. So, just like everyone was predicting then.

Cameron: 134446
Davis: 64398
More than 2 to 1. I'm off to the pub.

Jeez Michael Howard milked it

total tory whingers
(I mean members that voted) 198844
David Davis 64,398
David Cameron 134446

Well what a suprise, now we can ignore them again

I'm off to the pub.

that is the greatest piece of advice I have ever seen posted in NSGeneral

heck I liked the speech, I'd definatly like to see a middle ground party with conservative beliefs at heart over our middle ground party with socialist beliefs at heart.