NationStates Jolt Archive

The bi-partisan commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks issued a harsh report card today on the U.S. government's efforts to shore up its defenses and protect the nation against terrorist strikes. According to the commission the US is failing in almost all of 41 categories.

9/11 Panel Harshly Criticizes U.S. Response (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-120505commish_lat,0,5635332.story?coll=la-story-footer&track=morenews)

With Abysmal GPA, Government Fails to Make Kean's List (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/05/AR2005120501933.html)

I found this hard to believe. The people appointed to carry out the administration of our domestic security are highly trained professionals of the highest caliber. Many of these high level appointees have left lucrative private sector jobs in industries ranging from horse show management, political fund raising, or hygenic toenail care. Did they leave these positions for glory or advancement? No... they did it because their country needed them.

I found this hard to believe. The people appointed to carry out the administration of our domestic security are highly trained professionals of the highest caliber. Many of these high level appointees have left lucrative private sector jobs in industries ranging from horse show management, political fund raising, or hygenic toenail care. Did they leave these positions for glory or advancement? No... they did it because their country needed them.

Just like those in FEMA I believe...

I found this hard to believe. The people appointed to carry out the administration of our domestic security are highly trained professionals of the highest caliber. Many of these high level appointees have left lucrative private sector jobs in industries ranging from horse show management, political fund raising, or hygenic toenail care. Did they leave these positions for glory or advancement? No... they did it because their country needed them. for Money...

I wish that the NS Issue law banning donations was a real law. It would get rid of allot of this country's problems.

So does Michael (Savage) Weiner's current attempt to smear the Commission have any merit?
You know, the Able Danger follow up and all that?
Just wondering if anyone had int'restin tidbits on that.
Or if, as is most often the case, Weiner is blowing it out his fat alcoholic bestial homophobic navigation-sense-deprived *sic* arse ...?

Any Committee with Jamie "The Wall" Gorelick on it is worthless.

Any Committee with Jamie "The Wall" Gorelick on it is worthless.

Yes, because if one of the 10 people on the committee can be said to have ever made a mistake, then everything the whole committee does must be wrong.

I found this hard to believe. The people appointed to carry out the administration of our domestic security are highly trained professionals of the highest caliber. Many of these high level appointees have left lucrative private sector jobs in industries ranging from horse show management, political fund raising, or hygenic toenail care. Did they leave these positions for glory or advancement? No... they did it because their country needed them.
But there is further glory and advancement in government positions. So you don't get away from that.

And you also have the problem of the 9-11 commission, who are professionals as well and who by your standards ought to be reasonably credible. I just don't think the government's appearance or reputation for credibility has any relation to whether they are actually in effect doing a good job.

Any Committee with Jamie "The Wall" Gorelick on it is worthless.

Jamie Gorelick was in Pink Floyd?

Any Committee with Jamie "The Wall" Gorelick on it is worthless.

I suggest we have Michael Brown and Scooter Libby look into it.

So which job is it "Heckuva" Brown just got where he's doing security or ... *cringe* ....emergency management?

But there is further glory and advancement in government positions. So you don't get away from that.

And you also have the problem of the 9-11 commission, who are professionals as well and who by your standards ought to be reasonably credible. I just don't think the government's appearance or reputation for credibility has any relation to whether they are actually in effect doing a good job.

Once again, I have been hoisted on the petard of my own subtlety.

Once again, I have been hoisted on the petard of my own subtlety.

Nah, it's funnier if some people don't get it. I once put a [sarcasm] tag on a post and a couple people STILL thought I was serious.

Once again, I have been hoisted on the petard of my own subtlety.
my mistake :)

*bump*

Jamie Gorelick was in Pink Floyd?
No, that was Condoleezi Rice: she's on "The Great Gig In The Sky".

And I wonder what people are going to do in response to this? They're only going to ask to enlarge the government and increase it's power...well it's not working people!

You want to know how to freaking fight terrorism? REDUCE the government's size (including all the kneejerk reactions passed in response to 9/11) - if it has that fewer responsibliities, it can concentrate that much better on the limited responsiblities it does have!

And I wonder what people are going to do in response to this? They're only going to ask to enlarge the government and increase it's power...well it's not working people!

You want to know how to freaking fight terrorism? REDUCE the government's size (including all the kneejerk reactions passed in response to 9/11) - if it has that fewer responsibliities, it can concentrate that much better on the limited responsiblities it does have!

You have no idea what the 9/11 commission recommended, do you?

This is just knee-jerk libertarianism.

I love how the congress and the administration are trying to argue against spending homeland security funds according to risk so that East Butfuck Arkansas can get a taste of that sweet federal cash. Like the terrorists are interested in derailing a trainload of toxic gas near a pig farm.

No, that was Condoleezi Rice: she's on "The Great Gig In The Sky".
ahahah

I find that hard to believe myself, and this as a British Liberal Democrat.

Bush has made America invulnerable to attack by Muslim extremists.

After all...

... who would want to attack their closest ally?

I find that hard to believe myself, and this as a British Liberal Democrat.

Bush has made America invulnerable to attack by Muslim extremists.

After all...

... who would want to attack their closest ally?

;) :D

Does anyone else find the idea of a "report card" and GPA for the government slightly risible?

Does anyone else find the idea of a "report card" and GPA for the government slightly risible?


*looks up risible in dictionary, while grumbling at Lacadaemon's vocabulary*

It is kinda funny, but it is also pretty common.

So does Michael (Savage) Weiner's current attempt to smear the Commission have any merit?
You know, the Able Danger follow up and all that?
Just wondering if anyone had int'restin tidbits on that.
Or if, as is most often the case, Weiner is blowing it out his fat alcoholic bestial homophobic navigation-sense-deprived *sic* arse ...?


Yes there is some merit.

As per bolded, the commission did a good job of that itself.

So does Michael (Savage) Weiner's current attempt to smear the Commission have any merit?
You know, the Able Danger follow up and all that?
Just wondering if anyone had int'restin tidbits on that.
Or if, as is most often the case, Weiner is blowing it out his fat alcoholic bestial homophobic navigation-sense-deprived *sic* arse ...?


Yes there is some merit.

As per bolded, the commission did a good job of that itself.

BTW What documents did Sandy Hamburgler shove down his boxers?

The bi-partisan commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks issued a harsh report card today on the U.S. government's efforts to shore up its defenses and protect the nation against terrorist strikes. According to the commission the US is failing in almost all of 41 categories.

9/11 Panel Harshly Criticizes U.S. Response (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-120505commish_lat,0,5635332.story?coll=la-story-footer&track=morenews)

With Abysmal GPA, Government Fails to Make Kean's List (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/05/AR2005120501933.html)

What takes more resources - trying to protect every possible site in the US imaginable, or going overseas, finding them and killing them? Oh, and capturing a few and putting them up in Gitmo?

What takes more resources - trying to protect every possible site in the US imaginable, or going overseas, finding them and killing them? Oh, and capturing a few and putting them up in Gitmo?

So, you think the war in Iraq and a few covert operations are more sensible actions than the 9/11 Commission's recommendations?

Remember, the Bush Administration fully endorsed the 9/11 Commission's recommendations. They just haven't done much of them.

This just in: Cat-Tribe fails in making interesting thread. Further investigations will be carried out to find out what forces were behind this.

This just in: Cat-Tribe fails in making interesting thread. Further investigations will be carried out to find out what forces were behind this.

*cries and rocks*

I love how the congress and the administration are trying to argue against spending homeland security funds according to risk so that East Butfuck Arkansas can get a taste of that sweet federal cash. Like the terrorists are interested in derailing a trainload of toxic gas near a pig farm.

I'd be surprised if security funds were given according to risk...there's too many influential people in Congress whose districts that money could go to, and who needs security when you can build loyalty in the Congress?

*cries and rocks*

Cheer up, Skippy.

Cheer up, Skippy.

*sniff* *laughs at "skippy"* :D

*sniff* *laughs at "skippy"* :D

I was channeling MSB.

What takes more resources - trying to protect every possible site in the US imaginable, or going overseas, finding them and killing them? Oh, and capturing a few and putting them up in Gitmo?

Equally, one could ask whether it would take more resources to operate and maintain the half dozen or more military bases across the world that the US has or whether it would take less to protect local territories if said bases were closed down.

Global force projection after all, is not exactly a small drain on resources I imagine.

The bi-partisan commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks issued a harsh report card today on the U.S. government's efforts to shore up its defenses and protect the nation against terrorist strikes. According to the commission the US is failing in almost all of 41 categories.

9/11 Panel Harshly Criticizes U.S. Response (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-120505commish_lat,0,5635332.story?coll=la-story-footer&track=morenews)

With Abysmal GPA, Government Fails to Make Kean's List (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/05/AR2005120501933.html)

Look at Hurricane Katrina and imagine it was a bomb that hit the levys. They had warning and they still weren't prepared. Even ignoring the fact that it was documented the levees (don't know which way to spell it) would break in a catagory 4 storm wouldn't you load at least some supplies onto trucks when you learned the storm was definately going to make landfall. You know you will need some supplies at least. When there is a terrorist attack do you think the supplies will arrive magically faster? Or maybe they were too busy mapping supply routes into rich white Manhatten neighborhoods to notice the weather reports.

That response is a good indication of what the government has done to prepare for attack....nothing.