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Do you find that noobs act really ungrateful when you own them?

Like, everyone starts off really crap in any game, and I'm no exception. It takes a while to get a grip on the game mechanics, physics, prevailing tactics, etc. And really people who show you how to own, they're doing you a favour, just like I'm doing a favour every time I school a noob these days. I mean, looking back, sure I got owned proper a few times, but every time I learned a whole bunch of lessons, and thought gaining the experience was really cool. I didn't message people afterwards yelling at them that they're never going to have sex. None of that crap I get sometimes.

Anyway, what are your experiences? Whatever your game is, owning noobs, do they accept it as a learning experience, or do you get grief?

It depends on the noobs I guess. It also depends if you're talking about anonymous internetgames or if you're playing at a LAN party with some friends. At the latter people are less inclined to whine, hopefully.

Do you find that noobs act really ungrateful when you own them?

Like, everyone starts off really crap in any game, and I'm no exception. It takes a while to get a grip on the game mechanics, physics, prevailing tactics, etc. And really people who show you how to own, they're doing you a favour, just like I'm doing a favour every time I school a noob these days. I mean, looking back, sure I got owned proper a few times, but every time I learned a whole bunch of lessons, and thought gaining the experience was really cool. I didn't message people afterwards yelling at them that they're never going to have sex. None of that crap I get sometimes.

Anyway, what are your experiences? Whatever your game is, owning noobs, do they accept it as a learning experience, or do you get grief?

In FPS games, they usually get made and curse a lot when I own them.

In strategy games online, like Raging Universe, they first beg me not to attack them again, then make empty threats, then get friends to try to pile on me, and I still end up owning them.

I've learned not to give advice because they think they already know everything. It's best just not to respond to them at all.

You could put it down that the noobs have already been owned by some really anal people who've played the game much more and have insulted them, and they feel the need to get in the first shot.

Or you could put it down to a lot of egos being deflated:sniper: or perhaps:mp5: would be more appropriate.

Speaking a something of a gaming noob myself, I do find that some more experienced guys out there seem to get a big kick out of tooling on noobs simply for being noobs. I'm not the type who behaves like the noobs described in the original post, but I've received some pretty harsh treatment -- from verbal (or text) insults to being singled out for repeated killing (literally, playing Star Wars Battlefront, once had some other player focused solely on doing nothing but killing my guy over and over again as soon as I spawned).

Frankly, imho, if playing with less experienced players annoys you, set up private groups so we can't "intrude." Of course, I'm guessing that the majority of the experienced gamers who act towards noobs as I've described here are just doing it to boost their sad little egos. :rolleyes:

I have somewhat of an opposite problem with Diablo 2 LoD.

I rarely duel, so I rarely get to own n00bs, but I do like to give away any extra unique items I have lying around that are just taking up space. However, I'd say less than half of the people I GIVE some pretty decent stuff to are actually grateful. Most just end up asking for more, and when I apologize and politely say that I'm fresh out of freebies, they get upset!

I just don't get it.

I got banned from a few games for killing too many of the Newbies. Including some Administrators of a few games servers on Tribes 2.......



Those were the days......

I've been labeled a cheat by a few noobs on ocasion and I'm not even that good.. I've also been accused of picking on certain people during games but mostly it's down to people being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

Speaking a something of a gaming noob myself, I do find that some more experienced guys out there seem to get a big kick out of tooling on noobs simply for being noobs. I'm not the type who behaves like the noobs described in the original post, but I've received some pretty harsh treatment -- from verbal (or text) insults to being singled out for repeated killing (literally, playing Star Wars Battlefront, once had some other player focused solely on doing nothing but killing my guy over and over again as soon as I spawned).

Frankly, imho, if playing with less experienced players annoys you, set up private groups so we can't "intrude." Of course, I'm guessing that the majority of the experienced gamers who act towards noobs as I've described here are just doing it to boost their sad little egos.
what's your screen name? Maybe I've owned you a few times!:D

first time i played medal of honor online i killed 5 people in less than one minute and was kicked off because people thought i was cheating... i hate cheaters and it's not my fault if i'm better than someone else.

I think your a n00b.

I think your a n00b.
An uber n00b even!

...to being singled out for repeated killing (literally, playing Star Wars Battlefront, once had some other player focused solely on doing nothing but killing my guy over and over again as soon as I spawned).I've had experiences like that too. In one game of Doom (2 maybe?) multiplayer I played way-back-when, some guy thought it was immensly funny to be hiding when I respawned and blast the heck out of me with a rocket launcher. He wasn't teaching me anything except how to be a dick. I mean, how the heck can you do anything in that situation? He has all the guns and has me covered. It was just stupid.

In my opinion, "n00b" refers to an individual that is new to the game, has no desire to cooperate or learn, and is generally an ass to everyone he meets. They often have huge egos and and dispise it when they are defeated, calling you a "n00b" in turn.

On the other hand, a "newbie" is a person who is new to the game, but is generally polite, and shows a willingness to learn. These guys are always preferable. I've never had a bad experience with a "newbie", they know that they are just starting out and have alot to learn, and in turn, I realize that everyone has to start somewhere.

In my opinion, "n00b" refers to an individual that is new to the game, has no desire to cooperate or learn, and is generally an ass to everyone he meets. They often have huge egos and and dispise it when they are defeated, calling you a "n00b" in turn.

On the other hand, a "newbie" is a person who is new to the game, but is generally polite, and shows a willingness to learn. These guys are always preferable. I've never had a bad experience with a "newbie", they know that they are just starting out and have alot to learn, and in turn, I realize that everyone has to start somewhere.

Good distinction actually. :)

what's your screen name? Maybe I've owned you a few times!:D

Probably. :p

It's a really tough one to guess. Try dropping the "-stan" from my name here. ;)

The-Republic']I have somewhat of an opposite problem with Diablo 2 LoD.

I rarely duel, so I rarely get to own n00bs, but I do like to give away any extra unique items I have lying around that are just taking up space. However, I'd say less than half of the people I GIVE some pretty decent stuff to are actually grateful. Most just end up asking for more, and when I apologize and politely say that I'm fresh out of freebies, they get upset!

I just don't get it.

I get the same response in D2: LOD. I have mules that are heavily laden with goodies, and often times I'll meet newer characters who are in need of some decent low level stuff. I'll hand it over, trying to be nice, and they'll demand higher level things like the Tal Rasha Set, at which point I tell them I don't have it, or if I do that I'm saving it (for my Sorc). They'll get pissed and throw tantrums and call me names, even though I've just handed over the Cow King set or something else. You'll never make free loaders happy, they'll always want more, especially free loading newbs.

Probably. :p

It's a really tough one to guess. Try dropping the "-stan" from my name here. ;)
hmmmmmm.. maybe... Do you ever play on the ThePhotonRaiders clan server?

hmmmmmm.. maybe... Do you ever play on the ThePhotonRaiders clan server?

Don't think I have, no.

Do you find that noobs act really ungrateful when you own them?

Like, everyone starts off really crap in any game, and I'm no exception. It takes a while to get a grip on the game mechanics, physics, prevailing tactics, etc. And really people who show you how to own, they're doing you a favour, just like I'm doing a favour every time I school a noob these days. I mean, looking back, sure I got owned proper a few times, but every time I learned a whole bunch of lessons, and thought gaining the experience was really cool. I didn't message people afterwards yelling at them that they're never going to have sex. None of that crap I get sometimes.

Anyway, what are your experiences? Whatever your game is, owning noobs, do they accept it as a learning experience, or do you get grief?

I get greifed like no other. Why is it that everyone hates people who are good with the Sten or the Bren in that reduced fire thing? Here's a brief exerpt from what I've come to expect when playing COD on a server with >30 people. ESPECIALLY popular maps.

>PFC Cannon-Fodder has entered the server (me)
>PFC Cannon-Fodder ::gun:: n00b
>n00b: j00 suk0rz canonfoder!
>n00b: cheap-*** hacker!
>n00b: why not play fair?
>PFC Cannon-Fodder ::gun:: n00b
>n00b: DAMN TYPE-KILLER!
>PFC Cannon-Fodder: Don't type. Try actually dodging my shots and not running strait into my line of fire.
>PFC Cannon-Fodder: I can garenttee you I'm not cheating. Well, at least Punkbuster can.
>PFC Cannon-Fodder ::gun:: n00b
>n00b: **** j00 n00b!
>n00b: j00 think you all that? suck it!
>n00b: bring it n00b!
>PFC Cannon-Fodder: ::shrug:: suit yourself

::uber mass-killage of d00m::
::more beratings, and I finally leave in disgust::

Do you find that noobs act really ungrateful when you own them?

Like, everyone starts off really crap in any game, and I'm no exception. It takes a while to get a grip on the game mechanics, physics, prevailing tactics, etc. And really people who show you how to own, they're doing you a favour, just like I'm doing a favour every time I school a noob these days. I mean, looking back, sure I got owned proper a few times, but every time I learned a whole bunch of lessons, and thought gaining the experience was really cool. I didn't message people afterwards yelling at them that they're never going to have sex. None of that crap I get sometimes.

Anyway, what are your experiences? Whatever your game is, owning noobs, do they accept it as a learning experience, or do you get grief?
It's interetsing that you should post this, as I've recently acquired a copy of True Combat: Elite (http://www.truecombat.com/intro.php) . It reminds me a lot of the Rainbow Six games, and I love the fact that player's cant just absorb about 15 rounds before getting killed, like in Enemy Territory, (http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/) the game off which TC:E is loosely based.

In my experience, a lot of it has to do with the talent distribution on one's respective team. I'm a lot easier to deal with when learning one-on one type games like RTS titles or what have you. I think a lot of the frustration and name calling comes from utterly enraging situations that happen to me every day: one team will be all pro, one team will be all noobs. Owning noobs is lots of fun [I'm a vet at Enemy Territory, so I know: I do it all the time] but it's just absurd when you pit the game's better players versus the game's worst players in a straight up deathmatch. [i]I get testy and very vocal when my team is 4 people short, for example, and all the top performers on the other team [since it's remarkably easy for them to say] will just laugh and say "oh well." I don't mind learning a game, but I don't play computer games online to get slaughtered by assholes who refuse to brook any competition. I've even found that if I happen to be on either team in a situation like that, it stops being fun and I generally either spectate or simply stop playing at that point, so all the assholes who refuse to even the teams can have another one man advantage to work with.

Still, my favorites are the ones who suck and still talk shit. I was playing TC:E last night and was having a freakishly good round, all the while the resident n00b [the other one--not me :p ] was telling me how much I sucked--despite the fact that my score was 22 and his was around -15. If name calling is amuisng, then trash talking while you're thirty points behind the guy you're trash talking to has got to be comedic gold.

Starcraft map settings Diplomacy maps. It is unbelievable the guff you will get for attempting to or pulling of a backstab. The usual response one will get is something along the lines of "you suck n00b, backstabbing is for pussies" or something like that. This and many other things can be seen as the cry of I'm not winning they must be cheating. It's so easy to blame an opponent with cheating and random name calling instead of realizing that you're really not that good.

I've thought about this immensely, and thus have come to call my ideas the Thesis on Noobishness.

There are three types of people in the world: People who are noobs and don't realise it, people who are noobs but work at becoming un-noob, and people who are pro.

Being a noob and not being aware as such is the worst thing that can happen to you and anyone around. People who aren't aware that they are a noob act like they know everything and are hot shit, but in reality are, of course, noobs. People who are good at the game, usually by pwning everything in sight, but are assholes are still noobs in my book. Or, they can, of course, be someone new who sucks but is unwilling to accept any advice from better players.

When a noob has what I call his "Revelation" (much like Jeremy does in Pure Pwnage (http://www.purepwnage.com)), he becomes a noob working to become un- or non-noob. He sees that playing games is, in yet another take from Pure Pwnage (Anastasia this time), "Not all about pwning." They realise it's about having fun. They aspire to learn everything they can about their game(s) of choice.

When they reach the pinnacle of their gaming capability, they become pro. Pros are those who will take on anybody in the game in a respectful manner. They aren't the kids on a CS server who say "omgz u guys sux0r u wnt 2 fight my klan lolerz". They're the ones who ask nicely for a match. They are the ones who, when they are finished pwning, they give you advice on how to learn. Noobs will respond to their advice with "fuk u dood". Those wanting to become un-noob will listen and learn.

Let's use World of Warcraft as an example:

1. One could have Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40513) and all of the tier-2 armour in their respective set, but if they go into "noob zones" and kill every level 10 person in sight, they are still noobs.

2. A person new to the game who charges into fights without thinking and without heeding advice is a noob.

3. A person like me who is relatively new or very new to the game but is willing to learn is one aspiring to become un-noob.

4. A person who has all of his epic gear and such, but runs Ragefire Chasm with noobs to help them get a nice drop are pros.

Keep in mind that being noob is not limited to gaming: one can be noob IRL, be a noob with girls, etcetera.

Conclusion: Being a noob is the worst thing in the world. Being pro in their respective fields, gaming or not, is something every person should grow to be.