Right or Left
The Atlantian islands
05-12-2005, 04:53
If you had to live in either a Super Right Wing state, or a Super left Wing state, which would you choose. There is no inbetween.
Europa Maxima
05-12-2005, 04:54
The difference being what? The economic system? Fascism and communism (Stalinist form) are nearly indistinguishable.
The Atlantian islands
05-12-2005, 04:58
The difference being what? The economic system? Fascism and communism (Stalinist form) are nearly indistinguishable.
Right=Authoritian, Religious, conservative economics.
Left=Anarchist, Atheist, liberal economics.
Europa Maxima
05-12-2005, 04:59
Right=Authoritian, Religious, conservative economics.
Left=Anarchist, Atheist, liberal economics.
Conservative economics in the European sense or in the American sense? Here liberal economics is taken to mean capitalism.
Neu Leonstein
05-12-2005, 05:39
Right=Authoritian, Religious, conservative economics.
Left=Anarchist, Atheist, liberal economics.
By "liberal" I take it you mean the exact opposite.
Then I'd rather choose the Left.
I like my freedoms, and an authoritarian dictatorship is most likely to be worse than even the chaos of anarchism, I'm not religious and have no intent on being forced to be so...and I prefer more centrist economics, but I suppose this is still better than the Right option.
Europa Maxima
05-12-2005, 05:42
By "liberal" I take it you mean the exact opposite.
Then I'd rather choose the Left.
I like my freedoms, and an authoritarian dictatorship is most likely to be worse than even the chaos of anarchism, I'm not religious and have no intent on being forced to be so...and I prefer more centrist economics, but I suppose this is still better than the Right option.
Agreed. Same here. That, or I would form the Resistance :D :p
Harlesburg
05-12-2005, 05:44
Right=Authoritian, Religious, conservative economics.
Left=Anarchist, Atheist, liberal economics.
Thats crap the right can be very liberal Economically and the Left Uber Conservative.
*Awards The Brown Star*
Superb Right.
The South Islands
05-12-2005, 05:44
Give me Liberty, or give me Death!
-Patrick Henry, Lawyer, Virginian
Dissonant Cognition
05-12-2005, 05:50
Right=Authoritian, Religious, conservative economics.
Left=Anarchist, Atheist, liberal economics.
Why is "right" necessarily authoritarian and religous? What about atheist anarchocapitalists?
Why is "left" necessarily anarchist and atheist? What about Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Pol Pot, etc.?
To all those people who insist on hanging onto the "Left vs. Right" ideological spectrum: Your model is outdated and broken.
The model isn't completely outdated, it just needs tweaking.
It needs to factor in libertarianism and athoritarianism.
viva la http://www.politicalcompass.org/
this will explain more if necessary.
Dissonant Cognition
05-12-2005, 06:10
The model isn't completely outdated, it just needs tweaking.
It needs to factor in libertarianism and athoritarianism.
viva la http://www.politicalcompass.org/
this will explain more if necessary.
An even more accurate model would factor in citizenship, age, culture/ethnicity, religion, gender, health, surrounding political system, socialization, education, environment, individual genetic factors, and countless other possible variables and factors that shape how a person arrives at a particular ideology.
This is a map of the internet, an easily observed and studied human construction: http://www.opte.org/maps/static/1069524880.LGL.2D.700x700.png
I'd imagine that an accurate map of human behavior and political ideology would make that internet map look like a one dimensional line.
A one dimensional model of political ideology is just absurd. Two isn't much better. :)
Edit: I just took the Political Compass quiz and got the following results -
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79
I claim that the quiz is extremely inaccurate. It seems to interpret my anti-corporate answers as indicating leftist ideology. On the contrary, I am of the opinion that modern corporations exist for the purpose of allowing the elites an avenue to influence goverment for the purposes of destroying free market competition. As such, my anti-corporate stance is derived from a devotion to free market capitalist principles; accurate results would thus place me well to the right side of the chart. Unfortunately, the ideological model upon which the Political Compass quiz is based is outdated, inaccurate, and broken ( :D ) as it assumes that an anti-corporate stance must necessarily derive from leftist politics.
[NS]The-Republic
05-12-2005, 06:12
I'd rather live in a far left state and have to consciously hold on to my religious values than live in a far right state and have to fight for my civil freedoms.
Der Drache
05-12-2005, 14:45
Eh, I didn't vote because I think my vote would be missinturpreted. I prefer to live in an extreme left wing state because I happen to like the extreme left wing areas of the country better (the coasts). I don't really like the south or the great plains as much. But this has nothing to do with politics. I would probably prefer more right wing then left wing politics. My ideal state would be a moderate one in the midatlantic. Too bad one doesn't exist. Pennsylvania may appear moderate, but really its just a bunch of left wing extremists in the east counterbalancing a bunch of right wing extremists in the west. Maryland might be more truely moderate, I don't really know.
Well I'm a centrist... no really I am. There is an NS Centrist Party you can join that shares my views. I should know, I founded it. Going too right or left is dangerous and almost certainly will not work. Communism and Fascism have both been flawed ideologies. Socialism and Conservatism are both better off when they take the middle ground... and more overtly likeable.
"When the going gets tough, compromise!"
So, in other words: Chose between the Nazi-State and the Sovjet-State.
Well, I go for the Krauts ;-)
Pure Metal
05-12-2005, 15:11
Conservative economics in the European sense or in the American sense? Here liberal economics is taken to mean capitalism.
quite. i wouldn't say liberal economics qualifies to be called "super left wing"
if the choice is facist or communist (keeping things nice n simple), i go with the latter without hesitation
quite. i wouldn't say liberal economics qualifies to be called "super left wing"
if the choice is facist or communist (keeping things nice n simple), i go with the latter without hesitation
The words "Super left wing" conjure an image of a superhero in red spandex hunting down evil capitalist businessmen for some reason...
Non-violent Adults
05-12-2005, 15:59
The model isn't completely outdated, it just needs tweaking.
It needs to factor in libertarianism and athoritarianism.
viva la http://www.politicalcompass.org/
this will explain more if necessary.
It's not that the distinction between the right and left are insufficient; it's that they're nonsense, at least when used in a generic sense, as they are here in this stupid thread.
Europa alpha
05-12-2005, 18:24
First of all anyone adressing the Soviet state as super-left is tainted by propoganda, and needs to read up. They were right, they werent commies either. Anyone AFTER reading up still refering to them as Communists or Lefties doesnt deserve an opinion, and moreover deserves to be shot repetatively.
Naturally Anarchism is good, cos you could form your own Coallition and form Law, Thereby floating ever so slightly right. Whereas you would not have this freedom in a Right-state
The words "Super left wing" conjure an image of a superhero in red spandex hunting down evil capitalist businessmen for some reason...
lol. I remember seeing a parody of that Captain America cartoon, with Comrade Captain Communism, or something :p
-Magdha-
05-12-2005, 18:28
The words "Super left wing" conjure an image of a superhero in red spandex hunting down evil capitalist businessmen for some reason...
That sounds more like a supervillain than a superhero to me. :D
Augh...Both suck!
I'd much rather fight against them than live in them.
But if I had no choice...then beam me over to the motherland, comrade!