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Brought up in another thread
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/01/07/cops_investigate_school_strip_search_case/
Personaly I found this to be un believable
And it was upheald by texas courts

Brought up in another thread
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/01/07/cops_investigate_school_strip_search_case/
Personaly I found this to be un believable
And it was upheald by texas courts

It's texas. Not much shock there.

Note: I was the one who brought it up, so I get 10% royalty;)

Just shoot every tenth kid at the school then hang them naked outside as a warning to other would be theives, or "would be tenth kids"

Just shoot every tenth kid at the school then hang them naked outside as a warning to other would be theives, or "would be tenth kids"
I hope that was a joke

Just shoot every tenth kid at the school then hang them naked outside as a warning to other would be theives, or "would be tenth kids"

I know, right! Decimation! Good enough for the Romans, and they conquered the known world! What has Texas done?

Is there no locus parenti in the US education system? Because I know that parents wouldn't strip search their kids to try and find something that was missing.

If you search my pants, I'm ashamed to say you won't find quite ten...

Heavy sigh...

I know, right! Decimation! Good enough for the Romans, and they conquered the known world! What has Texas done?

Texas is it's own known world. So you could argue - so has Texas!

In my school, if you don't have a pencil, drop your shoes. But in this school they drop your pants.
I find this disgracefull... Strip searched for a TEN!!! During that time they spent more than $ 10 worth of time

There has to be a better way to deal with this problem. I mean c'mon.

In my school, if you don't have a pencil, drop your shoes. But in this school they drop your pants.
I find this disgracefull... Strip searched for a TEN!!! During that time they spent more than $ 10 worth of timeI know so many violations of decency for such little payback

I'd get naked in front of my classmates for ten dollars.

I'd get naked in front of my classmates for ten dollars.

*slips a fifty*

This'll be fun.

*slips a fifty*

This'll be fun.

Damn, for 50 I'd do a nude pole dance.

*does sexually compromising pole dance*

Damn, for 50 I'd do a nude pole dance.

*does sexually compromising pole dance*

For the purposes of that post, would you mind being that borg chick from Voyager?

Damn, for 50 I'd do a nude pole dance.

*does sexually compromising pole dance*

Bah. I would have thought you'd do that for a mere $20. Gimme my $50 back.

Bah. I would have thought you'd do that for a mere $20. Gimme my $50 back.

Fat Chance.

I will give you a free lapdance, though.

For the purposes of that post, would you mind being that borg chick from Voyager?

Nah, this gal (http://www.cinenews.gr/v3/oscars2005/images/redcarpet003.jpg). She was the only good thing about that day after tomorrow movie.

Is there no locus parenti in the US education system? Because I know that parents wouldn't strip search their kids to try and find something that was missing.

Sorry, but if I had good reason to believe my child had stolen something from another child and that the only way to recover it was a strip search of my kid, I'd make him strip in a second! I'd do it in private, just me and my child and no one else though. If I was wrong and he didn't have it, I'd apologize profusely and do something nice for him in a big way. However, if I was right and I did find it, he would be in so much trouble he would need to fear for his playtime (he's 11) for quite a while to come.

how distrubing.

Can you imagine how absolutely rediculous this would look in any other setting? What would you do if your boss told you to strip to find his ten? (no 'I have a hot boss, so I'd do it in a heartbeat'' jokes, haha) What would have happened if it were an older (high school/college) class? It would be unthinkable, so why here?

Can you imagine how absolutely rediculous this would look in any other setting? What would you do if your boss told you to strip to find his ten? (no 'I have a hot boss, so I'd do it in a heartbeat'' jokes, haha) What would have happened if it were an older (high school/college) class? It would be unthinkable, so why here?

Damn, Paradise!

Is there no locus parenti in the US education system? Because I know that parents wouldn't strip search their kids to try and find something that was missing.

locuwhat?

I hope that was a joke
I hope he was serious.

Can you imagine how absolutely rediculous this would look in any other setting? What would you do if your boss told you to strip to find his ten? (no 'I have a hot boss, so I'd do it in a heartbeat'' jokes, haha) What would have happened if it were an older (high school/college) class? It would be unthinkable, so why here?
Because old people dont feel the need to show respect or decency twords young people.

Because old people dont feel the need to show respect or decency twords young people.

The same people who get dumped in nursing home because their kids don't want them around? :)

I'd get naked in front of my classmates for ten dollars.

I've done it for free. :p

This is reminding me of an earlier thread where an airliner makes men move away from boys traveling alone. Here the teachers get to strip the kids down...
Of course, Texas IS a different country when you think about it.

The same people who get dumped in nursing home because their kids don't want them around? :)
Lol I worked in a nursing home (still do security there)

One lady had the best wall hanging it says "be nice to your kids ... they choose your nursing home"

:p

Though to be fair what I saw out of our long term care working there 7 years, most of the residents do need to be there.
But again I worked in long term care not assisted living.

If we are to do a strip search for money, what is the cut off point? Do we begin to search at $100. or $1000.? A theft is a theft. As long as the law is not broken, no one's rights have been violated. Complain, complain. Get up off your lazy seats and join the world. If you don't like this country and it's laws, then contribute and vote to make changes. You can always leave and find another country. I'm sure the grass is greener on the other side.

If we are to do a strip search for money, what is the cut off point? Do we begin to search at $100. or $1000.? A theft is a theft. As long as the law is not broken, no one's rights have been violated. Complain, complain. Get up off your lazy seats and join the world. If you don't like this country and it's laws, then contribute and vote to make changes. You can always leave and find another country. I'm sure the grass is greener on the other side.
Yeah because you know every parent that does not want their kids strips earched by school personell should leave the country:rolleyes:

Sorry but laws in the US are not "take it or leave it" propositions
We work to make sure stupid things like this example do not happen

If we are to do a strip search for money, what is the cut off point? Do we begin to search at $100. or $1000.? A theft is a theft. As long as the law is not broken, no one's rights have been violated. Complain, complain. Get up off your lazy seats and join the world. If you don't like this country and it's laws, then contribute and vote to make changes. You can always leave and find another country. I'm sure the grass is greener on the other side.

And what is the cut off point for the number of suspects? 10 or 10 000? Do you argue strip searching 10 000 people to find 10$?

Yeah because you know every parent that does not want their kids strips earched by school personell should leave the country:rolleyes:

Sorry but laws in the US are not "take it or leave it" propositions
We work to make sure stupid things like this example do not happen



And so people come to this forum to make a difference? Yeah, right!
Once again, the laws ARE "take it or leave it", until one goes out to change it.
Not to try and sue for the money. I have yet to see a person sue, win, collect and donate it to a "cause". They sue 'cause their ultimate intention was the MONEY. The strip search was just the excuse.

And so people come to this forum to make a difference? Yeah, right!
Once again, the laws ARE "take it or leave it", until one goes out to change it.
Not to try and sue for the money. I have yet to see a person sue, win, collect and donate it to a "cause". They sue 'cause their ultimate intention was the MONEY. The strip search was just the excuse.
I do my best to change things that I can
Being from minnesota ... I have limited effect on Texas law I apologize for that

And I have seen plenty ... you may want to take a look at quite a few aclu cases.

And even if they keep the money sometimes puting an economic crimp on thoes that pull stupid stunts like this one can make a difference.

If we are to do a strip search for money, what is the cut off point? Do we begin to search at $100. or $1000.? A theft is a theft. As long as the law is not broken, no one's rights have been violated. Complain, complain. Get up off your lazy seats and join the world. If you don't like this country and it's laws, then contribute and vote to make changes. You can always leave and find another country. I'm sure the grass is greener on the other side.

I suppose you know some magical country where you agree with every single law on the books?

And what is the cut off point for the number of suspects? 10 or 10 000? Do you argue strip searching 10 000 people to find 10$?

I think you've lost sight of what happened. There was a theft of money. Whether it was $10., $5. etc. Heck, maybe you're right. I think I'll continue to steal a maximum of $10. at a time, since it appears that amount is insignificant. I'll keep it on me, since no one can search me. Continue to put it away, come back and do it over again and again. I'll never have to be a constructive citizen, ever. I've now found a new income. No taxes to pay, no hours to keep and vacation whenever I want. You've opened my eyes to a new career. Theft without responsibility. Thank you.

Sorry, but if I had good reason to believe my child had stolen something from another child and that the only way to recover it was a strip search of my kid, I'd make him strip in a second! I'd do it in private, just me and my child and no one else though. If I was wrong and he didn't have it, I'd apologize profusely and do something nice for him in a big way. However, if I was right and I did find it, he would be in so much trouble he would need to fear for his playtime (he's 11) for quite a while to come.

So, you'd do something nice for your naked kid?

:mad: -->:fluffle: -->:eek:
Good God, I am so fucked up

I think you've lost sight of what happened. There was a theft of money. Whether it was $10., $5. etc. Heck, maybe you're right. I think I'll continue to steal a maximum of $10. at a time, since it appears that amount is insignificant. I'll keep it on me, since no one can search me. Continue to put it away, come back and do it over again and again. I'll never have to be a constructive citizen, ever. I've now found a new income. No taxes to pay, no hours to keep and vacation whenever I want. You've opened my eyes to a new career. Theft without responsibility. Thank you.
There was an accused theft of 10 dollars (which may I point out WAS NOT FOUND)

Regardless of the amount of money it does not give the school the right to STRIP SEARCH MINORS.

Even in the real world the ammount of money you steal makes a difference in which crime you commit (if you are ignorant of that fact you may want to look up the difference between mistomener and felony theft)

If you dont think that the ammount you steal changes the procedures and consequences then you may want to do more research

I suppose you know some magical country where you agree with every single law on the books?

Don't know of any magical country. I just don't go around whining. When all people do is whine about the high cost of gasoline and drive around in gas guzzlers, I do something about it. I invest in the companies making the profits. When people whine about the rates going up on insurance, I invest in the insurance companies. And when people whine about the federal government not taking care of them, I suggest they go to their friends, family, church and charities for handouts, instead of my pockets. You see, I'm a realist. I know my personal limits. I know that I don't have it within me to make a difference and I accept that. I don't go around whining. I play the game. And believe me, it's all just a game, whether you like it or not.

Don't know of any magical country. I just don't go around whining. When all people do is whine about the high cost of gasoline and drive around in gas guzzlers, I do something about it. I invest in the companies making the profits. When people whine about the rates going up on insurance, I invest in the insurance companies. And when people whine about the federal government not taking care of them, I suggest they go to their friends, family, church and charities for handouts, instead of my pockets. You see, I'm a realist. I know my personal limits. I know that I don't have it within me to make a difference and I accept that. I don't go around whining. I play the game. And believe me, it's all just a game, whether you like it or not.
Then exactly why are you a member of a political debate forum ? if by your deffinition of "whining" discludes disscussions such as these?

Not to mention the fact that you profess "voting with your money" the idea of using capatalizm to controll things you agree or dont agree with, but so look down on the parents in this case doing the same by suing for inapropreate behavior (note I am not talking about frivalous lawsuits so lets not get into that arguement)

The parents are economicly controling the schools inapropreate behavior

Maybe if parents encouraged nudity more, they wouldn't fear for their children's modesty so much. :)

There was an accused theft of 10 dollars (which may I point out WAS NOT FOUND)

Regardless of the amount of money it does not give the school the right to STRIP SEARCH MINORS.

Even in the real world the ammount of money you steal makes a difference in which crime you commit (if you are ignorant of that fact you may want to look up the difference between mistomener and felony theft)

If you dont think that the ammount you steal changes the procedures and consequences then you may want to do more research

You suggest that if the money WAS found, then it would have been ok to strip search, but since no money was found, it didn't look good.
If YOU read the article, the school evidently DID have the right to strip search. The courts found it to be legal. And yes, I do know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony(use a dictionary). It's part of my line of work. I suggest you don't want to get into a serious discussion of criminal law with me. You'll end up looking very foolish.

Maybe if parents encouraged nudity more, they wouldn't fear for their children's modesty so much. :)
True that, my problem is the school forcing such.

I suppose if nudity were the norm I would be pissed at the school forcing kids to wear cloths

You suggest that if the money WAS found, then it would have been ok to strip search, but since no money was found, it didn't look good.
No it would not have been ok but it lends doubt on the fact that the 10 dollars was ever actualy taken

If YOU read the article, the school evidently DID have the right to strip search. The courts found it to be legal. And yes, I do know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony(use a dictionary). It's part of my line of work. I suggest you don't want to get into a serious discussion of criminal law with me. You'll end up looking very foolish.
Go for it wouldent be the first time I have ... I would be more then happy to debate such.
Thats, part of being on this forum, expanding your knoledge through debate and learing from others

True that, my problem is the school forcing such.

I suppose if nudity were the norm I would be pissed at the school forcing kids to wear cloths

I've always favored a total lack of norms, myself. :)

No it would not have been ok but it lends doubt on the fact that the 10 dollars was ever actualy taken

Go for it wouldent be the first time I have ... I would be more then happy to debate such.
Thats, part of being on this forum, expanding your knoledge through debate and learing from others


Before we begin a debate of your choice, please, please, please. Separate your words and spell correctly. I had to read your very short reply 3 times before I understood your thought. I still do work for a living and have very little time to devote to this insignificant thread.
When I began this NationStates game, I thought it had some serious overtones. Now being here a very short time, I see it's a site for extreme liberals to whine and complain to each other. Sort of like group therapy.
Anyway, it's been an experience.

Before we begin a debate of your choice, please, please, please. Separate your words and spell correctly. I had to read your very short reply 3 times before I understood your thought. I still do work for a living and have very little time to devote to this insignificant thread.
When I began this NationStates game, I thought it had some serious overtones. Now being here a very short time, I see it's a site for extreme liberals to whine and complain to each other. Sort of like group therapy.
Anyway, it's been an experience.
I am sorry I will do better. I was replying from a linux box and my spelling is not always up to par. I normally run things through a spellchecker first.

I've always favored a total lack of norms, myself. :)
Fair enough lol

Is there no locus parenti in the US education system? Because I know that parents wouldn't strip search their kids to try and find something that was missing.

Yes, but with the state of the Texas school system today, and the rise of "Tex-Mex" as a language, they think that Locus Parenti means "act like an insane parent."

Yes, but with the state of the Texas school system today, and the rise of "Tex-Mex" as a language, they think that Locus Parenti means "act like an insane parent."
No kidding, I normally am not a fan of home schooling, but with examples like these I would most defiantly be eying it as an option.

Then exactly why are you a member of a political debate forum ? if by your deffinition of "whining" discludes disscussions such as these?

Not to mention the fact that you profess "voting with your money" the idea of using capatalizm to controll things you agree or dont agree with, but so look down on the parents in this case doing the same by suing for inapropreate behavior (note I am not talking about frivalous lawsuits so lets not get into that arguement)

The parents are economicly controling the schools inapropreate behavior

This will be my last post because I do have to be on my way. Once again, you, like 99.9% of the liberals on this forum are correct. I should not invest my hard earned dollars and make a livable life for myself and my family. I should not pay my own way through society. You're absolutely right. I should have the federal government supply me with everything I need. They should take care of my medical needs, my housing needs, my food needs, and maybe even rear my children for me from birth to the grave. Long live socialism. Yeahhhhhhhh! Down with laws we don't like. Down with anyone but liberals telling us what to do and how to live. Sue those mean people for strip searching my child, that's already in a special school for troubled teens.

This will be my last post because I do have to be on my way. Once again, you, like 99.9% of the liberals on this forum are correct. I should not invest my hard earned dollars and make a livable life for myself and my family. I should not pay my own way through society. You're absolutely right. I should have the federal government supply me with everything I need. They should take care of my medical needs, my housing needs, my food needs, and maybe even rear my children for me from birth to the grave. Long live socialism. Yeahhhhhhhh! Down with laws we don't like. Down with anyone but liberals telling us what to do and how to live. Sue those mean people for strip searching my child, that's already in a special school for troubled teens.
Who said I am "liberal" maybe in the classic since of the word
I tend to lean libertarian if you want to be honest.

… you know what happens when you assume…

Obviously, the reason they didn't find the $10 is that they forgot to do a cavity search. It should be included next time..

I think you've lost sight of what happened. There was a theft of money. Whether it was $10., $5. etc. Heck, maybe you're right. I think I'll continue to steal a maximum of $10. at a time, since it appears that amount is insignificant. I'll keep it on me, since no one can search me. Continue to put it away, come back and do it over again and again. I'll never have to be a constructive citizen, ever. I've now found a new income. No taxes to pay, no hours to keep and vacation whenever I want. You've opened my eyes to a new career. Theft without responsibility. Thank you.

I think you missed my point. They strip searched 10 kids because 1 kid stole 10$ - the amount does not matter. Suppose they had 10 000 suspects, would they have the right to strip search them all?

This will be my last post because I do have to be on my way. Once again, you, like 99.9% of the liberals on this forum are correct. <spippa dippa doo>

It's nice to finally get some recognition.

as for the rest of your post that has nothing to do with the post you quoted, good job at generalizing and taking things completely out of context... you are most definitely in the legal field and most definitely a conservattive through and through. ahhh generalizations :fluffle:

I think you missed my point. They strip searched 10 kids because 1 kid stole 10$ - the amount does not matter. Suppose they had 10 000 suspects, would they have the right to strip search them all?
I think what (s)he is saying is that s(he) would expect the school to strip search his/her daughter if someone in the same class was accused of stealing something/anything. Stealing is wrong so everyone must be strip searched. Thats just the way the game is played. Take it or leave it. You are just a whiney liberal if you voice your opinion about things you take issue with.

It's nice to finally get some recognition.

as for the rest of your post that has nothing to do with the post you quoted, good job at generalizing and taking things completely out of context... you are most definitely in the legal field and most definitely a conservattive through and through. ahhh generalizations :fluffle:
Glad you saw it too

I would never have kids, but if I did I would be highly uncomfortable with them strip searching my kid for any reason. Call me in and have me search them if necessary. Do not, under any circumstances touch my childs naked body. I'll end up having to beat you within an inch of your life because I have no idea what kind of pervert you are.

Glad you saw it too

well I have to defend my fellow commie pinko tree-hugging liberal hippy whiners

I would never have kids, but if I did I would be highly uncomfortable with them strip searching my kid for any reason. Call me in and have me search them if necessary. Do not, under any circumstances touch my childs naked body. I'll end up having to beat you within an inch of your life because I have no idea what kind of pervert you are.
Agreed absolutly

My priest was considered an "educator" (in fact they made him teach our 4th grade sex ed class)
And i know what he did to me

A teacher touches my kids naked body they will have me after their ass

Brought up in another thread
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/01/07/cops_investigate_school_strip_search_case/
Personaly I found this to be un believable
And it was upheald by texas courts

I don't see anything in that article that says the searches were upheld by the texas courts. All I see is the local sherrif saying the searches weren't a crime.

Have the parents sued?

Do you have another link?

I don't see anything in that article that says the searches were upheld by the texas courts. All I see is the local sherrif saying the searches weren't a crime.

Have the parents sued?

Do you have another link?
Ill look I might have gotten them being upheald from another link
I posted this one because it seemed most "reputable"

I will look for you my friend (doing programming right now so I am sorry if I am slow)

Hmmm I dont have the time to read it all over right now but this appears to say this case (or one very simmilar) was heald to be unconstitutional in texas

http://www.tjpc.state.tx.us/publications/reviews/05/05-2-33.htm

Hmmm Maybe I was just confused with the upheald part, if so I apologize

Reminds me of a story.

Me: Mrs. Abadabadoo; may I go to the bathroom?
Mrs. A: Not now...We have a test!
Me (Ten Minutes Later): I've almost finished. Can you lemme go now?
Mrs. A:No; you'll disrupt the other students.
Me: What the (#&*#&%)*$&*()@&$
Mrs. A: Be quiet!
Now, I'm not the best to think things through...So rather than walk out to take a piss, I walked into the corner and quietly did my business, to make sure I didn't disrupt the other students.
'Twas a brilliant moment.

Obviously, the reason they didn't find the $10 is that they forgot to do a cavity search. It should be included next time..

Very obviously, and according to the logic of Fireantz/Grand Patriots, that would be just fine. A crime is a crime. Is a crime.

So is the strip search. A crime.

Hmmm I dont have the time to read it all over right now but this appears to say this case (or one very simmilar) was heald to be unconstitutional in texas

http://www.tjpc.state.tx.us/publications/reviews/05/05-2-33.htm

Hmmm Maybe I was just confused with the upheald part, if so I apologize

Bizarrely, this is not the same case. It is another case in which high school students were strip-searched.

Apparently strip-searching students is a popular idea

The US Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit found such searches illegal in the case you linked. But that wasn't in Texas. (Texas is in the 5th Circuit.)

Very obviously, and according to the logic of Fireantz/Grand Patriots, that would be just fine. A crime is a crime. Is a crime.

So is the strip search. A crime.

then the obvious answer would be to strip search the strip searchers - if they complain then they are just whiney liberals

Bizarrely, this is not the same case. It is another case in which high school students were strip-searched.

Apparently strip-searching students is a popular idea

The US Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit found such searches illegal in the case you linked. But that wasn't in Texas. (Texas is in the 5th Circuit.)
Intresting ... I am trying to find more but my databasing project is taking up a bit of time
(and I relized the difference when I started reading the discription of what happened, gym teacher)

then the obvious answer would be to strip search the strip searchers - if they complain then they are just whiney liberals
Come to think of it the money was not found on the students
Why the hell was the teacher not subject to the same treatment the students were?

Come to think of it the money was not found on the students
Why the hell was the teacher not subject to the same treatment the students were?


agreed -

agreed -
Yup our "law expert" says that a crime was commited
Sense the kids were already naked why not the teacher?

And if he disagreed you know he is either guilty or liberal commie pinko scum

Wow. The more I search the more I find dozens of similar cases of strip searches. I won't do links because there are so many cases. INSANE!!!

It looks like most of the time they are found illegal later.

Anyone else notice that wasn't the first time they'd done it?

Green said the school has conducted such searches in the past without calling parents.

Wow. The more I search the more I find dozens of similar cases of strip searches. I won't do links because there are so many cases. INSANE!!!

It looks like most of the time they are found illegal later.
Lol yeah I relized when I tried to find the link I had before how hard it is to find again lol

.....

It looks like most of the time they are found illegal later.
Under what circumstances are they found legal?

Under what circumstances are they found legal?

I haven't been looking that closely, but I don't think I've found any where a court has held the search was legal. I've just seen a few where the search was found illegal, and a bunch where no court decision is apparent.

I haven't been looking that closely, but I don't think I've found any where a court has held the search was legal. I've just seen a few where the search was found illegal, and a bunch where no court decision is apparent.
Same ... Ill post if I find something different

This is not specific to strip searches, but it is the analysis that applies under federal law.

The U.S. Supreme Court addressed search and seizure in public school settings in New Jersey v. T.L.O., 469 U.S. 325 (1985). In T.L.O., the court held that the Fourth Amendment applies to public school officials; however, school officials need only have reasonable suspicion to conduct a search or seizure, instead of the probable cause standard required for police officers. The reasonable suspicion standard has two steps in its analysis: 1) the search must be reasonable at its inception, and 2) the search must be reasonable in scope. T.L.O., 469 U.S. 325, 341-342.

The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals observed in 1980: "It does not require a constitutional scholar to conclude that a nude search of a thirteen year-old child is an invasion of constitutional rights of some magnitude. More than that: it is a violation of any known principle of human decency." Doe v. Renfrow, 631 F.2d 91, 92-93 (7th Cir. 1980), cert. denied, 451 U.S. 1022 (1981). This may not be the prevailing view today. Many appellate courts have upheld the reasonableness of strip searches, when looking for drugs. See, e.g., Williams v. Ellington, 936 F.2d 881 (6th Cir. 1991) and Cornfield v. Consolidated High School Dist. No. 230, 991 F.2d 1316 (7th Cir. 1993). In Jenkins v. Talladega City Bd. of Educ., en banc, 115 F.3d 821 (11th Cir. 1997), cert. denied, 522 U.S. 966 (1997), the Eleventh Circuit held that it was no longer "clearly established law" that it was impermissible for school official to strip search students.

After further review of this thread and some noob's initial posts...

You see, I'm a realist.
No, you're just kind of dumb. I can tell because you pulled some "omg socializm ftl capitalizm ftw commiez kill teh nation" bullshit. Typical of people whose thought processes haven't grown past the Cold War (which ended 14 years ago, if you didn't know...I mean, you're still bitching about "communism", so you must have been living under a rock. Islam and Middle-Eastern people are the focus of your yawn-inducing, neo-conservative rants now, didn't you get the memo?).

The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals observed in 1980: "It does not require a constitutional scholar to conclude that a nude search of a thirteen year-old child is an invasion of constitutional rights of some magnitude. More than that: it is a violation of any known principle of human decency." Doe v. Renfrow, 631 F.2d 91, 92-93 (7th Cir. 1980), cert. denied, 451 U.S. 1022 (1981). This may not be the prevailing view today. Many appellate courts have upheld the reasonableness of strip searches, when looking for drugs. See, e.g., Williams v. Ellington, 936 F.2d 881 (6th Cir. 1991) and Cornfield v. Consolidated High School Dist. No. 230, 991 F.2d 1316 (7th Cir. 1993). In Jenkins v. Talladega City Bd. of Educ., en banc, 115 F.3d 821 (11th Cir. 1997), cert. denied, 522 U.S. 966 (1997), the Eleventh Circuit held that it was no longer "clearly established law" that it was impermissible for school official to strip search students.

Interesting post Cat.

I had always assumed - foolishly I suppose - that school officials lacked the power to order strip searches. Moreover, I further assumed in the unlikely event a situation arose in which strip searches were required, bona fide law enforcement agencies would be involved to administer it.

Whatever the case may be, I am certianly not comfortable with the idea that Teachers can strip search students.

I am finding many more cases where the court found the search illegal, but granted no damages because the searchers had qualified immunity.

I am finding many more cases where the court found the search illegal, but granted no damages because the searchers had qualified immunity.
Well here is one they were granted damages

http://www.nospank.net/n-d94.htm (if I did not misread)
Edit though it looks like an out of course settle ment

Interesting post Cat.

I had always assumed - foolishly I suppose - that school officials lacked the power to order strip searches. Moreover, I further assumed in the unlikely event a situation arose in which strip searches were required, bona fide law enforcement agencies would be involved to administer it.

Whatever the case may be, I am certianly not comfortable with the idea that Teachers can strip search students.

I am shocked by the caselaw myself, but the war on drugs marches on.

It does appear that many states have state laws prohibiting student strip searches.