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O.K. so anyway i am seriously debaiting an armed services carreer in oppisition to going into debt for college. I am an artist, I was raised as an army brat. I am avidly anti big brother. opinions, views absolutly welcome.

what country?

See this is working the way i supposed. People generally ignore this sort of thing.

O.K. so anyway i am seriously debaiting an armed services carreer in oppisition to going into debt for college. I am an artist, I was raised as an army brat. I am avidly anti big brother. opinions, views absolutly welcome.
Shrug, I'm doing ROTC because I've wanted to be in the army for a minimum of 4 years. Doing so simply to avoid some debt is not worth it IMO, just not the right motivation. Infact in my case I'm forgoing enough future income that going in the Army may as well be a net-loss.

Of course if your future profession is starving artist... well, yeah.

what country?
U.S. strangely enough.

See this is working the way i supposed. People generally ignore this sort of thing.

Its been six minutes since your opening post to the one I'm quoting. Patience is a virtue.

Shrug, I'm doing ROTC because I've wanted to be in the army for a minimum of 4 years. Doing so simply to avoid some debt is not worth it IMO, just not the right motivation. Infact in my case I'm forgoing enough future income that going in the Army may as well be a net-loss.

Of course if your future profession is starving artist... well, yeah.
Dont think ill ever end up starving, i am a great artist. doing a few years service to get free school seems like a good idea to me.

Its been six minutes since your opening post to the one I'm quoting. Patience is a virtue.
I abandoned hope too soon, just used to being ignored.

If you would give it 110% and you need the money, Uncle Sam pays really good, and medical is free, as is housing, and food.

BUT, and please don't take offense to this, because I'm not accusing, if you will go in just for the money, and punk out like a little bitch (again, I'm not accusing) when it's war time, then stay the fuck out, because the military doesn't need people like that. They all need to count on eachother to be there for eachother when the going gets tough!

Dont think ill ever end up starving, i am a great artist. doing a few years service to get free school seems like a good idea to me.

Until you get sent to some country on the other side of the world 'for a year' and are still there 3 years later. The army pretty much owns you after you join.

Dont think ill ever end up starving, i am a great artist. doing a few years service to get free school seems like a good idea to me.

So have you given any thought to your Branch then? Planning on being in the shit Infantry or in DC Adjunct General? Its also worth noting that you might still go in debt to cover your housing. The Army covers Tution+Fees+monthly stipend (free cash) but not housing.

If you would give it 110% and you need the money, Uncle Sam pays really good, and medical is free, as is housing, and food.

BUT, and please don't take offense to this, because I'm not accusing, if you will go in just for the money, and punk out like a little bitch (again, I'm not accusing) when it's war time, then stay the fuck out, because the military doesn't need people like that. They all need to count on eachother to be there for eachother when the going gets tough!
wow, strong opinion. First, I am no patriot but i am more than willing to join, not only would i fight, Id survive. The military would hold no suprises for me. Any idea based solely on gain is a bad idea anyway. Its in my blod to solder so i might as well.

So have you given any thought to your Branch then? Planning on being in the shit Infantry or in DC Adjunct General? Its also worth noting that you might still go in debt to cover your housing. The Army covers Tution+Fees+monthly stipend (free cash) but not housing.
Housing would be the only complication, wouldnt that be a huge relif?

The Army covers Tution+Fees+monthly stipend (free cash) but not housing.
What?

B.A.H. Base Allowance for Housing (http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1P1:29468441&refid=holomed_1). ALL branches pay it out. It's an off base housing pay allowance calculated by local cost of living.

Until you get sent to some country on the other side of the world 'for a year' and are still there 3 years later. The army pretty much owns you after you join.
The Govt owns me now, they own any american(it's true look more closely at your ssc).

The Govt owns me now, they own any american(it's true look more closely at your ssc).


Fair enough, I guess if you know exactly what you're getting in to then you are more informed to make the choice than most people who join their army. Whats my ssc? (not American) When I think of SSC I think of here (http://www.ssc.govt.nz/display/home.asp) which is where my father works..

What?

B.A.H. Base Allowance for Housing (http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1P1:29468441&refid=holomed_1). ALL branches pay it out. It's an off base housing pay allowance calculated by local cost of living.
yeah, or i could live on base. they make allotments for that too. Not saying that i would want to, i just could.

yeah, or i could live on base. they make allotments for that too. Not saying that i would want to, i just could.
You should see the houses for the Air Force! Fucking beautiful! Of course, you need to either have kids, or be married to qualify. Luckily, I took the big dive! :D

There are other ways to pay for college that don't neccisarily result in debt. In California we have the Pell grant that can pay for a great deal of it. If your art is up to snuff you can use that to get scholarships that will also pay a lot of your way. Americorp also exchanges service for tuition.

If you're dead set on service go for the Coast Guard, at least there you'll be (hopefully) rescuing people instead of shooting them.

Fair enough, I guess if you know exactly what you're getting in to then you are more informed to make the choice than most people who join their army. Whats my ssc? (not American) When I think of SSC I think of here (http://www.ssc.govt.nz/display/home.asp) which is where my father works..
I meant social security, numbering of the masses.

I meant social security, numbering of the masses.

Oh ok. I don't have one of those.

Oh, and there is doing your lower-division work at a Community College, where it is butt ass cheap. Also lets you drift about with exactly what you want to do without it costing you an arm and leg.

There are other ways to pay for college that don't neccisarily result in debt. In California we have the Pell grant that can pay for a great deal of it. If your art is up to snuff you can use that to get scholarships that will also pay a lot of your way. Americorp also exchanges service for tuition.

If you're dead set on service go for the Coast Guard, at least there you'll be (hopefully) rescuing people instead of shooting them.
Thought about that, what does the coast guard do, help people, stop columbians, fight pirates.

Thought about that, what does the coast guard do, help people, stop columbians, fight pirates.
Yeah, they do thier fair share of shooting people, but mostly (perhaps thats in my head) it's rescuing folk, which is all good.

You should see the houses for the Air Force! Fucking beautiful! Of course, you need to either have kids, or be married to qualify. Luckily, I took the big dive! :D
you got married, congrats and condolences

hmm well judging by your spelling you could do with the extra education apart from that i can't believe anyone would be so desperate as to join the armed forces just to be able to go to college, seeing as you have the option don't do it.

Yeah, they do thier fair share of shooting people, but mostly (perhaps thats in my head) it's rescuing folk, which is all good.
I see no good things in the end of life. Unless they actually deserve it, but you would have to be horrificly evil for me to think they deserve it.(like eating all the worlds pez or somthing like that)

What?

B.A.H. Base Allowance for Housing (http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1P1:29468441&refid=holomed_1). ALL branches pay it out. It's an off base housing pay allowance calculated by local cost of living.

No branches pay it out for while you're in College. Housing Allowance kicks in once you're in the military. Not while in ROTC.

hmm well judging by your spelling you could do with the extra education apart from that i can't believe anyone would be so desperate as to join the armed forces just to be able to go to college, seeing as you have the option don't do it.
I didnt lie and say i was a novelist, give me a break, it's not desperation. It can best be viewed as me doing a few years to gain in the funds area and send a positive message to the rest of my family. Being the first of 7 i sort of have to worry about that.

hmm well judging by your spelling you could do with the extra education apart from that i can't believe anyone would be so desperate as to join the armed forces just to be able to go to college, seeing as you have the option don't do it.
I didnt lie and say i was a novelist, give me a break, it's not desperation. It can best be viewed as me doing a few years to gain in the funds area and send a positive message to the rest of my family. Being the first of 7 i sort of have to worry about that.

hmm well judging by your spelling you could do with the extra education apart from that i can't believe anyone would be so desperate as to join the armed forces just to be able to go to college, seeing as you have the option don't do it.
Did you just slight someone's spelling in a run on sentence with no capatilization?
I see no good things in the end of life. Unless they actually deserve it, but you would have to be horrificly evil for me to think they deserve it.(like eating all the worlds pez or somthing like that)
That would be a dastardly villian. But yeah, I agree. That's why I say favor the branch that does more saving people than shooting. If you have to do a service.

you got married, congrats and condolences
Congrats will do. Without her, I'd be in jail or dead of a drug overdose right now! ;)

Just so you know, i am doing this to view myself as a contributor unto society instead of a leech. To not feel worthless, isnt that what everyone wants?

Cannot think of a name]Did you just slight someone's spelling in a run on sentence with no capatilization?

He's not a novelist and i'm not a grammar Nazi. I don't know how positive joining the American military can be? Training to and potentially killing people just to make some money... Rather like a mercenary or a mobster except it's sanctioned by the law.

Just so you know, i am doing this to view myself as a contributor unto society instead of a leech. To not feel worthless, isnt that what everyone wants?

I think there are lots more constructive things you could do to not feel worthless, or a leech on society. I second the coastguard idea or something similar... DEFINITELY more worthwhile than joining the war machine.

I'm not from the states, but aren't there other ways of studying art or giving your skills some direction without spending thousands on college? Maybe vocational training as a graphic designer or web designer, or teaching yourself the programs that will help you in these careers (like Photoshop, Flash etc) - then you can use your art to earn money. You can always do your own projects on the side....

Make art not war! :D

He's not a novelist and i'm not a grammar Nazi. I don't know how positive joining the American military can be? Training to and potentially killing people just to make some money... Rather like a mercenary or a mobster except it's sanctioned by the law.

Riiighhhttt.... cause you know, the American Military Mission is conquest, rape and plunder :rolleyes:

Riiighhhttt.... cause you know, the American Military Mission is conquest, rape and plunder :rolleyes:

Well, maybe it's not their official Mission, but I think we can all agree that every side can be guilty of losing control and carrying out atrocities in times of war...

Well, maybe it's not their official Mission, but I think we can all agree that every side can be guilty of losing control and carrying out atrocities in times of war...

And in some cases also causing some rather good things to happen to a nation. Though I suppose we could have let places like S.Korea never come into existence.