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I don't really care but it seems like some people do. I'm all for a secular nation but do any of us really care if a fake lion is based on a religious figure?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1903338,00.html

Is anyone against this movie and book for this reason?

Why would it be bad if there is a religious allegory for the character?

Why would it be bad if there is a religious allegory for the character?
I don't know. It seems people are getting pissed. I mean, it's C S Lewis for LionChrists Sakes.

I don't really care but it seems like some people do. I'm all for a secular nation but do any of us really care if a fake lion is based on a religious figure?
Wait a second here. This is news in Britain? They didn't already know this?
But USians are the stupid people with no knowledge of things literary.

Anyway, I'm against The Chronicles of Narnia because the ending (the lion gets killed and then gets up again and starts dancing and evil shrugs its shoulders and goes home) is a terrible example of Deus Ex Machina that pissed me off to know end.

I've found more proof of the existance of your apparent "Jesus Lion:"
Clicky (http://hometown.aol.com/sweetfawn4jesus/LionJesus2.jpg)

Wait a second here. This is news in Britain? They didn't already know this?
But USians are the stupid people with no knowledge of things literary.

Anyway, I'm against The Chronicles of Narnia because the ending (the lion gets killed and then gets up again and starts dancing and evil shrugs its shoulders and goes home) is a terrible example of Deus Ex Machina that pissed me off to know end.
It might also be that people are pissed because of this:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2002661342_narnia03.html

I don't know. It seems people are getting pissed.

Well, C.S. Lewis was the penultimate Christian writer and a very intelligent, logical, and tolerant man, so it must be the nutjob religious fundies (omg its teh paganism types) or the nutjob atheist "fundies" that are getting pissed. Everyone else couldn't concievably have any problem with it.

Little known fact: The pig in Green Acres was meant to symbolize L. Ron Hubbard.

It's not like this movie is the first ever movie made with a religious theme...

Little known fact: The pig in Green Acres was meant to symbolize L. Ron Hubbard.
Stupid Scientologist Piggy.

Wait a second here. This is news in Britain? They didn't already know this?
But USians are the stupid people with no knowledge of things literary.


I think its been known as an analogy for a while, but the discovery of this letter is the news, which confirms what we thought before.

Neo always reminded me of Jesus. And Rand, from the wheel of time. I'm sure hundred of other characters have been based on religious people.

Is there really anyone who is outraged by this? And are they equally outrage by other trivial things, like teacups and socks?

I've found more proof of the existance of your apparent "Jesus Lion:"
Clicky (http://hometown.aol.com/sweetfawn4jesus/LionJesus2.jpg)
AAAHH!

It might also be that people are pissed because of this:
And now you've reminded me of something else that pissed me off about the Narnia series, The Screwtape Letters was at least a dozen times as good and was less popular.
Fucking Lion. Fucking kids.
Fucking combinations of the above that leave both parties alive at the end.

Your affectionate Uncle,
H N FIDDLEBOTTOMS VIII

And now you've reminded me of something else that pissed me off about the Narnia series, The Screwtape Letters was at least a dozen times as good and was less popular.
Fucking Lion. Fucking kids.
Fucking combinations of the above that leave both parties alive at the end.

Your affectionate Uncle,
H N FIDDLEBOTTOMS VIII
Just don't make me sit on your lap...

Some people just enjoy being pissed off, and will seize upon any excuse, no matter how flimsy, to be so. This is one of those cases.

:rolleyes:

Some people just enjoy being pissed off, and will seize upon any excuse, no matter how flimsy, to be so. This is one of those cases.

:rolleyes:

But it's got to do with Jesus man. Being pissed of and Jesus are the closest linked things in the world besides peanut butter and chocolate.

But it's got to do with Jesus man. Being pissed of and Jesus are the closest linked things in the world besides peanut butter and chocolate.
Exactly. I'd be willing to bet that a significant percentage of the people who are pissed off about Narnia are also pissed off about Harry Potter, gay marriage, evolution, Dungeons & Dragons, sex education, abortion, and nude beaches.

(I, on the other hand, am getting pissed off at all of the database errors on this forum. This is not linked to Jesus, Narnia, or any of the above topics in any way. Though I wish it was linked somehow with nude beaches.)
:rolleyes:

Am I missing something? No one in either of the articles posted seem to be upset. The really looks like a case of jumping at shadows. We all knew that the books had a christian allagory, no one's making a big deal out of it. Niether article is about people protesting or speaking out or anything like that.

Christians need to pull their underwear out of thier crack. Big Bad Atheists really aren't hiding around corners just looking for reasons to pounce.

You don't see us making a stink about Cool Hand Luke, do you? Calm down.

Am I missing something? No one in either of the articles posted seem to be upset. The really looks like a case of jumping at shadows. We all knew that the books had a christian allagory, no one's making a big deal out of it. Niether article is about people protesting or speaking out or anything like that.
Just being proactive. Wait a few weeks, and you should see some screaming protests from people who didn't get it. Do you really think Fred Phelps is going to pass this one up?

:p

I was shocked to find out recently that it was a Christian themed series of books - I read them as a kid and never made teh conenction. They were good stories too and I was excited when i first heard that Tim Burton was going to make a Narnia movie!

Even though I'm no Christian and I'm a *gasp* evil Liberal baby-eater, I still want to see this one.

I don't really care but it seems like some people do. I'm all for a secular nation but do any of us really care if a fake lion is based on a religious figure?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1903338,00.html

Is anyone against this movie and book for this reason?

No surprise here...I figured this out 26 years ago, when I was 13.

How many people are going to be surprised when they find out that JRR Tolkien was a friend of CS Lewis and Tolkien added christian influences to the Lord of the Rings universe.


http://www.hourwolf.com/spr/spr0039.html

"For those who are not aware of it, Lewis and Tolkien were members of a Oxford University writing group called the Inklings. This included CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien, TH White, W.H. Auden and others. My wife calls them the men without first names, because all used initials in publication.

"The inklings, which existed from the mid-1930s to 1962, were a highly informal group of Oxford writer sand poets who met regularly in college rooms and local pub to read their works in progress," said Daniel Grotta-Kurska in his book JRR Tolkien, Architect of Middle Earth. "According to CS Lewis, they discussed everything from beer to Beowulf."

Auden challenged the members of the Inklings to produce a modern tale of Christian beliefs. Out of this challenge emerged the Tolkien Trilogy, Lewis’ trilogy and White's "Once and Future King"

Just being proactive. Wait a few weeks, and you should see some screaming protests from people who didn't get it. Do you really think Fred Phelps is going to pass this one up?

:p
I know you're kidding (after all, since when has anyone cared what Fred Phelps thinks?) but-

This is part, along with the 'Holiday/Christmas' nonsense of creating a one-sided argument in the attempt to back an opposition in a corner.

For example (using the holiday thing)-
Con-"Why are you against Christmas?"
Lib-"I'm-wait, what?"
Con-"You're against Christmas, you godless beast."
Lib-"Didn't I just wish you a Happy-"
Con-"Holiday! You are trying to diminish Christmas! Why do you hate Christmas?"
Lib-"I don't-there's a lot of holidays going on, New Years-"
Con-"Christmas is the only one that matters!!!! If you do not wish me a Merry Christmas you are trying to destroy the holiday you heathen!!"
Lib-"I gotta be honest, at this point I don't care if you have a Merry Christmas or not."
Con-"UN-AMERICAN!!!"
Lib-"How'd this start?"

This insisted upon outrage that is railed against where no outrage actually exists, it's pretty effective, and it disturbs me.

Neo always reminded me of Jesus. And Rand, from the wheel of time. I'm sure hundred of other characters have been based on religious people.

Is there really anyone who is outraged by this? And are they equally outrage by other trivial things, like teacups and socks?

Kinda how Mat from Wheel of Time is Odin.

There are so many characters who are based partly on religious figures (some more than one) that it's not really surprising.

I must admit, I find it amusing that there are people still figuring this out. Though as far as I was aware the lion was more supposed to be God than Jesus. Whatever. The story's amusing, and allegory on either side is always fun.

I don't care if the Chronicles of Narnia books have a Christina message. I still think they're great books and I have always seen an obvious connection between the two. I don't tihnk anyone should really be surprised by this.

Loads of stories have characters that are obvious representations of religious figures. Gandalf was clearly Jesus, what with coming back from the dead wearing a white robe and having a big beard, and his general coolness, and Yoda seems a lot like buddha. and god for that matter. then theres Neo, and morpheus. Religions have evolved over a very long time so the stories are bound to be kickass. if they sucked no one would believe them. And there are only so many kickass stories so hollywood will inevitably, and sometimes (but not in this case) accidentally rip them off.

I dont care if the lion is jesus as long as he film is good.

It's C.S. Lewis :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Of course it has a Christian message.

I do remember them trying to make us read the Chronicles in elementary school though and this parent had a problem so we read "Charlotte's web" instead.

I don't get it either though. Oh well.

Harry Potter, gay marriage, evolution, Dungeons & Dragons, sex education, abortion, and nude beaches.


Now, what we need is the evolution of sexy Dungeon and Dragons playing lesbians on beaches...with a nearby theatre playing Harry Potter, and uh...I dunno Cider House Rules, or something. That movie had abortion, didn't it?

It's C.S. Lewis :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Of course it has a Christian message.
I think he started out as an atheist (but am too lazy to check, so I might be thinking of a different uber-christian writer), so maybe there is an early work rolling around that precedes his conversion.
I do remember them trying to make us read the Chronicles in elementary school though and this parent had a problem so we read "Charlotte's web" instead.

I don't get it either though. Oh well.
Charlotte's Web was a much better story, partially because I don't think there was anything to get. It was about a pig and a spider who were friends until the spider snuffs it.

I think he started out as an atheist (but am too lazy to check, so I might be thinking of a different uber-christian writer), so maybe there is an early work rolling around that precedes his conversion.


Yes, and he bangs on about it endlessly in "Mere Christianity." Frankly that book would have been far less tedious had he started out as a Christian, and become and aetheist instead.

Oh I'm sure they will pull this book series from the public schools now. I mean, in like 5th grade we were required to read it. So its covertly converting us into christians. what is this world coming to? -rolls eyes-

But seriously, why would anyone have a problem saying that this book, by a christian writer, is about Jesus? Its the same way with, for an example, the star wars movies..There is hidden anti-war, anti-conservatism messages in there..but its still a good story nontheless.

I just assumed people knew about Aslan being a Jesus Archetype. I mean, past a certain point Lewis wasn't dropping hints about it so much as he was pounding away at the reader's head with a ball-peen hammer.

I didn't bother reading all the other posts. Was anybody at all surprised, though?

I didn't bother reading all the other posts. Was anybody at all surprised, though?

No. But I gather that there is some worry that either Christians or Atheists may, or may not, get upset over this. For reasons that were never really disclosed.

No. But I gather that there is some worry that either Christians or Atheists may, or may not, get upset over this. For reasons that were never really disclosed.
I'm hoping that the people who though Christian's might be upset were being entirely sarcastic. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to think that Christians are going to be less then thrilled at a subpar allegory hitting the mainstream.
On the other hand, at least one atheist is bound to stage a protest somewhere, simply because someone has to protest everything.

at least one atheist is bound to stage a protest somewhere, simply because someone has to protest everything.
I wish they'd go protest the shopping-mall Santas instead. Bloody elves.

*blinks*

People are surprised by this? I thought everybody knew this especially since Lewis was a major Bible thumper.

*shrugs*

I am still going to see the movie, the clips look good.

Hmpf, I still have my box set from when I was a kid......

I'm hoping that the people who though Christian's might be upset were being entirely sarcastic. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to think that Christians are going to be less then thrilled at a subpar allegory hitting the mainstream.
On the other hand, at least one atheist is bound to stage a protest somewhere, simply because someone has to protest everything.

I can quite easily imagine some christians protesting the portrayal of jesus as a lion. Quite often, allegory is not their strong suit.

I can quite easily imagine some christians protesting the portrayal of jesus as a lion. Quite often, allegory is not their strong suit.

Considering the lion was the symbol of mark!

*ACK* Sunday school flashback *starts banging head on desktop* out out out!

I can quite easily imagine some christians protesting the portrayal of jesus as a lion. Quite often, allegory is not their strong suit.
And I can quite easily imagine some Atheists turning into koala bears, but just because I can easily imagine something doesn't make it true.
You may want to believe that Christians protest everything because it suits your view they are evil and don't want anyone to have any fun*, but that really isn't the case at all.
I bet you 20 Interweb Dollars that no Christian groups will protest this movie.

*Yeah, I know they have crazy rules, but that is Religion. Religion is a bunch of crazy rules that you impose on your life for no rational reason.

I bet you 20 Interweb Dollars that no Christian groups will protest this movie.


I dunno...remember that one guy down in Westboro Baptist or wherever who protested the funeral of that gay man that was killed in Wyoming?

I know (and am glad) that all religious folks aren't like that, but if some goober out there will protest a grieving family while they bury their son, I'm sure there's some bunch out there that will protest a film.

Hell, I'd like to retroactively protest "On Deadly Ground", although not for religious reasons...it was just so, so terrible...

Considering the lion was the symbol of mark!

*ACK* Sunday school flashback *starts banging head on desktop* out out out!

I freely admit I don't know all that much about religions (other than when the major holidays are, and that's only because other people tell me).

But one thing I do know; there are some christians out there that know even less than I do, but that doesn't stop them from jumping at every opportunity to go around rebuking and condemning people for blaspheming and whatnot. I bet that there exists at least one christian in this country is outraged that Disney - which is well known to be under the control of the international jew conspiracy - is deliberately portraying our Lord Baby Jesus as a "dirty beast" to further the influence of satan, corrupt our youth, encourage belief in UFOs, and promote "eviloutionism" &c.

It's almost a certianty.

And I can quite easily imagine some Atheists turning into koala bears, but just because I can easily imagine something doesn't make it true.
You may want to believe that Christians protest everything because it suits your view they are evil and don't want anyone to have any fun*, but that really isn't the case at all.
I bet you 20 Interweb Dollars that no Christian groups will protest this movie.

*Yeah, I know they have crazy rules, but that is Religion. Religion is a bunch of crazy rules that you impose on your life for no rational reason.

I once saw a gay guy in manhattan protesting that "the rock" movie because it was "homophobic". Since then, nothing has surprised me in the protest stakes.

I'll take your bet, and your Interweb money.

I bet that there exists at least one christian in this country is outraged that Disney - which is well known to be under the control of the international jew conspiracy - is deliberately portraying our Lord Baby Jesus as a "dirty beast" to further the influence of satan, corrupt our youth, encourage belief in UFOs, and promote "eviloutionism" &c.

It's almost a certianty.
Uh tell yuh... Uh blame that "CeeGee" stuff they make all the movies out of these days. Uh swear Uh think they're beaming a signal all subliminal-like, yuh know, so when you watch the "CeeGee" you know they're like, programming you away from the Lard Baby Jeezis and everything.

On one side church groups, backed by the film’s producer Disney, are promoting the story’s message as Christian, with Jesus represented by Aslan saving a world fallen into sin.
Okay, wow. People are actually debating what Lewis and Disney have said themselves. People are actually challenging what the story's own author said? That's just stupid. That's like saying that Star Wars was about a wheel of cheese travelling throughout the galaxy fighting evil ninjas and various Scientologists.

That's just stupid. That's like saying that Star Wars was about a wheel of cheese travelling throughout the galaxy fighting evil ninjas and various Scientologists.
I knew there was a level of symbolism to that movie I was missing.

Anyway, I'm against The Chronicles of Narnia because the ending (the lion gets killed and then gets up again and starts dancing and evil shrugs its shoulders and goes home) is a terrible example of Deus Ex Machina that pissed me off to know end.


If my memory serves me right there is a battle before evil is vanquised... Is there not??:gundge: :gundge: :mp5: :mp5:

Considering the lion was the symbol of mark!

*ACK* Sunday school flashback *starts banging head on desktop* out out out!
Eagle Bear Bull Lion?
And Goat nope that is Satan (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/666).

I don't really care but it seems like some people do. I'm all for a secular nation but do any of us really care if a fake lion is based on a religious figure?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1903338,00.html

Is anyone against this movie and book for this reason?

Not for Aslan being Jesus, but I do dislike the way non-Christians are portrayed in the books. It is for instance repeatedly stated that an education not based on Christianity is useless. People who do not believe in Aslan are either stupid, evil or denying themselves happyness through their "closed hearts" (the dwarfs).
And then the Christian encouragement: All will be allright if you just blindly obey whatever Aslan says. And for the PETA fans: animals who can not speak have no value, and it is allright to kill them for fun.

As stories go however, I like them.

I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised about finding conclusive proof that Aslan is a symbolic representation of Christ. That's approximately as startling as finding conclusive proof that the "lamb of God" is a symbolic representation of Christ. :p

I certainly hope no one will be stupid enough to be offended by an obvious allegory continuing to be an obvious allegory, but I have a low estimation of movie-goers' intelligence ever since people objected to the name of "The Two Towers" on the grounds that it happened to remind them of the World Trade Center tragedy. People can be very, very dumb sometimes.

There is no outrage, protest, or negativity aimed at this movie. People are desperately searching for it, but have been unable to find any. NPR tried to beat the bush about a week ago by interviewing religious figures and trying to get them to agree that its wrong for people to market to Christians, but they couldn't find anyone who would agree with that ridiculous position.

NPR tried to beat the bush about a week ago by interviewing religious figures and trying to get them to agree that its wrong for people to market to Christians, but they couldn't find anyone who would agree with that ridiculous position.

Well.. if one was to write a childrensbook where all the smart and heroic kids were white while all the evil, stupid and unhappy people were black there would be outrage. Replace white with Christian and black with non-Christian and you come pretty close to the aspect of Narnia I dislike.

However, I must admit that I know of no children who became fundamentalists christians who despise every other religion after reading those books, so there doesn't seem to be a problem in reality.

Not having seen the movie, I do not know if the screenversion is different in this aspect.

Well.. if one was to write a childrensbook where all the smart and heroic kids were white while all the evil, stupid and unhappy people were black there would be outrage. Replace white with Christian and black with non-Christian and you come pretty close to the aspect of Narnia I dislike.

However, I must admit that I know of no children who became fundamentalists christians who despise every other religion after reading those books, so there doesn't seem to be a problem in reality.

Not having seen the movie, I do not know if the screenversion is different in this aspect.

What does that have to do with the statement of mine that you quoted?

Well.. if one was to write a childrensbook where all the smart and heroic kids were white while all the evil, stupid and unhappy people were black there would be outrage. Replace white with Christian and black with non-Christian and you come pretty close to the aspect of Narnia I dislike.

Actually, if you recall The Last Battle, there's a Tash-worshipper who's very specifically given credit for being a very good man. Lewis's explanation is that because he's a good person, he's aligned with things that are good even if he doesn't know it. While I suppose this implies that non-Christians are mistaken in thinking that Jesus isn't their personal version of God, it definitely doesn't imply that they are evil. (And it's hard to blame a Christian for thinking that non-Christians are mistaken - I mean, that's sort of a given, really.)

Actually, if you recall The Last Battle, there's a Tash-worshipper who's very specifically given credit for being a very good man. Lewis's explanation is that because he's a good person, he's aligned with things that are good even if he doesn't know it. While I suppose this implies that non-Christians are mistaken in thinking that Jesus isn't their personal version of God, it definitely doesn't imply that they are evil. (And it's hard to blame a Christian for thinking that non-Christians are mistaken - I mean, that's sort of a given, really.)

Yup. IIRC Aslan says that any good deed is done in his name by default, even if the person who did the good deed did it in the name of Tash. He also said that anyone who did wrong was acting in the name of Tash however much they professed to love Aslan.

Loads of stories have characters that are obvious representations of religious figures. Gandalf was clearly Jesus, what with coming back from the dead wearing a white robe and having a big beard, and his general coolness, and Yoda seems a lot like buddha. and god for that matter. then theres Neo, and morpheus. Religions have evolved over a very long time so the stories are bound to be kickass. if they sucked no one would believe them. And there are only so many kickass stories so hollywood will inevitably, and sometimes (but not in this case) accidentally rip them off.

I dont care if the lion is jesus as long as he film is good.

The Matrix was at least partly based on Plato's 'Analogy of the Cave' although I admit that Neo does have messianic tendencies. How does Morpheous fit in OOI?

No surprise here...I figured this out 26 years ago, when I was 13.

How many people are going to be surprised when they find out that JRR Tolkien was a friend of CS Lewis and Tolkien added christian influences to the Lord of the Rings universe.


http://www.hourwolf.com/spr/spr0039.html

"For those who are not aware of it, Lewis and Tolkien were members of a Oxford University writing group called the Inklings. This included CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien, TH White, W.H. Auden and others. My wife calls them the men without first names, because all used initials in publication.

"The inklings, which existed from the mid-1930s to 1962, were a highly informal group of Oxford writer sand poets who met regularly in college rooms and local pub to read their works in progress," said Daniel Grotta-Kurska in his book JRR Tolkien, Architect of Middle Earth. "According to CS Lewis, they discussed everything from beer to Beowulf."

Auden challenged the members of the Inklings to produce a modern tale of Christian beliefs. Out of this challenge emerged the Tolkien Trilogy, Lewis’ trilogy and White's "Once and Future King"

Also, they would read passages from the books they were writing. One time, Tolkien got up and began reading a passsage he had recently wrote, at which point Lewis exclaimed, rather unchristianlike, "Oh God, not another fucking elf!"

Also, they would read passages from the books they were writing. One time, Tolkien got up and began reading a passsage he had recently wrote, at which point Lewis exclaimed, rather unchristianlike, "Oh God, not another fucking elf!"

:D

To anyone who hasnt realised

What is news here is not that it is a religious analogy (that much was known a long time ago) what is news is the letter and the certian proof that Lewis intended it to be so. Before it was littary speculation (very well grounded speculation), now its backed up by evidence

I just assumed people knew about Aslan being a Jesus Archetype. I mean, past a certain point Lewis wasn't dropping hints about it so much as he was pounding away at the reader's head with a ball-peen hammer.

I didn't bother reading all the other posts. Was anybody at all surprised, though? Exactly. It was sort of obvious to me a while after I read it… but then again, I'm very intelligent.:D

How could this offend anyone? Everyone knows Jesus had a beard… why not a mane as well?

People are upset because it seemed like a good story, until you realised it was trying to secretly teach you something. But shock horror, not just anything, but RELIGION!
*sobs* and all I wanted to do was to read a nice kiddy story make belive religious book. Some would hand me the Bible!;) :headbang: :mp5: :D :mad: :cool: :D

What does that have to do with the statement of mine that you quoted?

I was trying to find reasons to consider the movie/books offensive and call out against it.


While I suppose this implies that non-Christians are mistaken in thinking that Jesus isn't their personal version of God, it definitely doesn't imply that they are evil.

I should have clarified that they are portrayed as being evil AND/OR stupid AND/OR unhappy. The dwarfs for instance were not really evil even though they followed the Queen for a while- but it was made very clear that by not embracing Aslan they would be unable to ever reach true happyness.

(And it's hard to blame a Christian for thinking that non-Christians are mistaken - I mean, that's sort of a given, really.)
Very true - but that doesn't mean I have to like it ;)

This is news? Anyone from the literary world, anyone who knows CS Lewis, anyone who has read the books know the whole thing is an allegory. What's the big deal?

This is news? Anyone from the literary world, anyone who knows CS Lewis, anyone who has read the books know the whole thing is an allegory. What's the big deal?

Again, its not news. What is news is the letter that has recently been found

Exactly. It was sort of obvious to me a while after I read it… but then again, I'm very intelligent.:D

How could this offend anyone? Everyone knows Jesus had a beard… why not a mane as well?
Little known fact: Jesus also walked on all fours. The cross was more of a crutch, really.

Again, its not news. What is news is the letter that has recently been found
It seems like people are getting angry at a person who hasn't posted yet. Where are you, oh great protester of biblical movies?

Well as long as the film doesn't have something about, you know... real Christianity being the one true faith or something I can't really see a problem with the Lion being a metaphor for Jesus. I highly doubt any kids will get the metaphor anyhow.

Besides, religious allusions are present in most literature around the globe. I had no problem with "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad, even though Marlow was a Buddha figure and Kurtz was like a darkside Christ.

I don't hate Narnia becuase it's religious, I hate it because it's crap.

I don't hate Narnia becuase it's religious, I hate it because it's crap.
Well I won't debate your opinion, and I won't try to change it either, but personally - and this is speaking as a non-Christian - I thoroughly enjoyed the series, back when I was a wee Dobbs. Perfectly suited for the under-twelve set to read on holidays.

In spite of the heavy-handed allegory. And if your kids aren't too swift on the uptake, it might even go over their heads.

Harmless. Utterly harmless.

Batman is Jesus too.

He devoted his life trying to save a corrupted, evil Gotham City that neglected his father's work to restore peace and order.

Hell, the myth of Jesus is based on earlier mythologies. Who cares? It's all symbolism for the sun anyways.

Wow ... so much ruckus over a work of fiction. It's "Last Temptation of Christ" all over again with a touch of "Davinci Code" and a smattering of "Harry Potter".

Amazing how worked up people will get over fiction.

But USians are the stupid people with no knowledge of things literary.

Aside from the fact that you're wrong, or feel like being nasty just because, at least we know the PROPER appellation for people of our nation, which is not the utterly ridiculous USians.

It's not like this movie is the first ever movie made with a religious theme...

It's not even as if this is the first time this book has been adapted for film or mini-series.

Aside from the fact that you're wrong, or feel like being nasty just because, at least we know the PROPER appellation for people of our nation, which is not the utterly ridiculous USians.
What Poopy heads?:p

Nah seriously on the Tomb oF the Unknown Soldier at Arlington it says American.

But Arlington should be given back to the Lee's and WHy was a Union Soldier picked if you want to encourage unity?

Batman is Jesus too.

He devoted his life trying to save a corrupted, evil Gotham City that neglected his father's work to restore peace and order.

Please don't speak of Batman in the past-tense. It makes me sad...

What I want to know, is if I go see this movie, even as a die-hard athiest, will this be an enjoyable movie, or will there be too much Jesus for me to stand?

What I want to know, is if I go see this movie, even as a die-hard athiest, will this be an enjoyable movie, or will there be too much Jesus for me to stand?

Well, I can't make promises about the movie, but if it's even a remotely faithful adaptation of the book, it's likely to be very enjoyable, and not too Jesus-filled at all. The symbolism is certainly there if you're looking for it, but the Narnia books would be considered very good children's fantasy (heck, very good fantasy, period) even if no one had ever heard of Jesus, and plenty of children have read The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe without noticing the Christian aspect until years later, if at all.

What I want to know, is if I go see this movie, even as a die-hard athiest, will this be an enjoyable movie, or will there be too much Jesus for me to stand?
There is really no way for me to answer without first seeing the movie. Many times when they make a book into a movie it is less enjoyable.

The BBC did a movie of The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe a while back and it was pretty good.

As far as the Jesus thing? I read the series in the 2nd grade for fun and I got the Christian reference, but then I was raised in the church, my friend read it in highschool (borrowed from me) and she didn't get it at all until I pointed it out to her, then she re-read it and still didn't really pick up on it.

It's not really a "Christianity is right, and everyone else is wrong, and Jesus is a Lion isn't that cool thing", it's actually more like " wow, this kinda parallels the Bible, it's a cool story anyway though"

There is really no way for me to answer without first seeing the movie. Many times when they make a book into a movie it is less enjoyable.

The BBC did a movie of The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe a while back and it was pretty good.

As far as the Jesus thing? I read the series in the 2nd grade for fun and I got the Christian reference, but then I was raised in the church, my friend read it in highschool (borrowed from me) and she didn't get it at all until I pointed it out to her, then she re-read it and still didn't really pick up on it.

It's not really a "Christianity is right, and everyone else is wrong, and Jesus is a Lion isn't that cool thing", it's actually more like " wow, this kinda parallels the Bible, it's a cool story anyway though"


Well, I doubt I'll see it in the theater, so I'll probably rent it.
I fully intend, to let the story attempt to entertain me, I just wanted to know if the Jesus theme was laid on too thick.
Hell, I even watched "The Passion of the Christ", and found it enjoyable, albiet for different reasons than most did.