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Here's an interesting article from the L.A. Times, and after reading it, I'd like to know the answers too! So if any Muslims out there would care to address this, I'd appreciate this.
Five questions non-Muslims would like answered (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-op-prager13nov13,0,1904398.story?coll=la-home-sunday-opinion)


For more details on the questions, please see the article linked above.

(1) Why are you so quiet? (about terrorism)

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?



BTW - If you'd rather just ignore the questions, and attack America instead, feel free, because you'll be winning me $20 bucks in a bet I have with someone. ;)

I'll put down $100 on that bet....Put me in on the pot.

This is going to be interesting. :)

...I hope :p

Uh... you are aware that muslim groups have spoken out against every terrorist attack by a muslim to date, correct? It's not their fault you refuse to listen.

I'll put down $100 on that bet....Put me in on the pot.
Haha I'll bet 100 euros that they will blame Europe somehow, going back to the age of the Crusades. :rolleyes:

Number 1 could be answered if you'd actually bother to listen every once in awhile.

Ah yes, the old all-Muslims-are-to-blame-for-terrorists argument, designed to show that the religion of Islam is evil and Christianity is supportive of democracy, openness and peace. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

* puts two brownies on the table *

I've seen many Muslim groups - the largest in the US, England, Iraq all speak out against terrorism several times and it has been widely reported.

Attrocities are commited in the name of all religions and political views it seems. Abortion clinic bombings and the like.

Oh...yeah fine.

1. Already answered that.

2. Why does that matter and would the situation be better if they were?

3. Power corrupts. Oh, and some guys take things too far.

4. Because that's all you'd see if that's all your looking for.

5. Why does this questionaire imply that I'm out to kill random people for the hell of it?

*sighs* :rolleyes: I wonder how long it will be before someone points out that, gee, no religion on this planet has ever been free from the above questions. Replace Islam and Muslim with Christanity and Christian, and it still works. Replace it with Buddhism and Buddhist, and it still works.

Question for you then, want to tell me how this isn't flamebaiting?

Blah blah blah, we have yet to see someone actually answer these questions.....just liberals coming on here to bitch....not exactly what we are looking for.....

*sighs* :rolleyes: I wonder how long it will be before someone points out that, gee, no religion on this planet has ever been free from the above questions. Replace Islam and Muslim with Christanity and Christian, and it still works. Replace it with Buddhism and Buddhist, and it still works.

Question for you then, want to tell me how this isn't flamebaiting?

How bout Judaism...if you replace it with Judaism and Jewish will it work???

Blah blah blah, we have yet to see someone actually answer these questions.....just liberals coming on here to bitch....not exactly what we are looking for.....
Perfect example about the whole not-listening thing.

Perfect example about the whole not-listening thing.

Perfect example of people not answering the questions that the orginal poster listed....

Perfect example about the whole not-listening thing.
Indeed.

Perfect example of people not answering the questions that the orginal poster listed....
How the hell am I supposed to answer them without aligning myself with some of the most evil governmental leaders in the world?

How bout Judaism...if you replace it with Judaism and Jewish will it work???
Yup. Show me a religion that has not opressed and terrorised people sometime in its past? Show me just one... besides the flying nodles or whatever LG's choice of deity is. ;)

I believe that muslims cannot be blamed for terrorism and such.

The questions I would, however, especially like to see answered are three and five.

Forget the rest. Just

3

5

Answer those.

Perfect example of people not answering the questions that the orginal poster listed....
Did you read Colodia's earlier post where s/he answered all the questions or did you just ignore it?

It doesn't even take a Muslim to answer these...

1. They aren't.

2. Because there aren't that many Christians in Palestine. There are other "Christian" terrorist groups, such as the KKK, who live in more Christian areas. You don't start a grassroots terrorist organization where there are no roots.

3. Theocracies tend to oppress. It's happened frequently throughout history. The killing of Christians in feudal Japan by Neo-Confucianists, the killing of Jews in the Holy Roman Empire by Christians, etc.

4. Fanaticism causes people to do crazy things. As previously stated, other religions have radical terrorist fanatics too.

5. See #3.

Oh...yeah fine.
And now I shall, with langorous ease, dissect your statements and render them impotent with my pointed queries.
1. Already answered that.
Yeah, sure, blame the guys who are ignoring you for not hearing what you have to say. That makes a lot of sense.
2. Why does that matter and would the situation be better if they were?
Of course it would. I find it heinous that the PLO discriminates against willing Christians who are just as eager to be damned suicidal fools in public as muslims. Americans believe in the equal rights of all people to fuck shit up.
3. Power corrupts. Oh, and some guys take things too far.
Well then how come there has never been a single oppressive Christian majority country in the history of teh world? Obviously only Muslims are corruptable.
4. Because that's all you'd see if that's all your looking for.
You can't go looking for eggs unless the Easter Bunny was by.
I'm pretty sure that the above meant something in context, I'm just not sure what.
5. Why does this questionaire imply that I'm out to kill random people for the hell of it?
Why are you so defensive? Perhaps because of a guilty conscience? Your own evil betrays you to my senses! Prepare to be smitten*, infidel!
No, wait, that didn't sound right.

In a manner that is both accepting of all cultural beliefs and embraces alternate sexualities while respecting your combined rights to an abortion and freedom of speech, of course

Yup. Show me a religion that has not opressed and terrorised people sometime in its past? Show me just one... besides the flying nodles or whatever LG's choice of deity is. ;)
No no, I'm pretty sure I was assaulted by a noodle the other day...

For more details on the questions, please see the article linked above.

(1) Why are you so quiet? (about terrorism)

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

these arent my words, but are taking from another forum:

1) The Muslim world has largely been on the "public affairs defensive" since 9-11, and seemed for a long time to have adopted the unfortunate tactic of silent condemntation--basically, keeping their mouths shut in the hope that it would blow over. Obviously this was a poorly thought out course of action, but should NOT be confused with approval of terrorism, either tacit or active. Plus, as Publius notes, recent months have seen the mainstream Muslim community become notably more vocal. I think the finally realized that the problem was not going to go away, and that active measures on their parts were required to seperate themselves from the zealots and murderers who would hijack their faith. From Britain to Jordan, mainstream Muslims everywhere have at last (perhaps overdue) started to publicly, and VERY vocally, rally against the Islamofascists.

2) Ummmmmmm.... because, proportionately, there are so few Christian Palestinians? And as Publius points out, "a few" does not equal "none." Besides, the world has AMPLE supply of Christian terrorists... from the Phallangists in Lebanon to abortion clinic bombers in America, there is not short supply of those willing to do evil in Jesus' name. Many confuse the conflict in Israel-Palestine as being strictly of a religious nature; I would argue it is not; it is an ETHNIC conflict, not a religious one.

3) Personally, I would argue that YES, fundamentalist Islam is a contributing factor to the less than democratic conditions of many of the nations described. However, it is far from the sole factor. Bottom line, Islam is an evolving religion, and is going through the same growing pains that Christianity and Judeaism have gone through in the past. This does not give the Muslim community a free pass for what I consider some serious social flaws in the practical application of fundamentalist Islam; it does however put it in a historical perspective, and illustrates that they are going through a phase that Christianity itself passed though not too long ago.

4) Because Islam, due to a variety of reasons, is ripe for the hijacking by demogogues and murderers. While this is a theological-philosophical problem that the Muslim community is going to have to address sometime soon, it does NOT make innocent Muslims "guilty by association," any more than I am guilty of the Abu Ghurayb offenses by virtue of the fact that I wear a uniform.

5) Religious persecution is a serious problem in many fundamentalist Muslim theocracies; however, it would be just AS serious a problem in America if we were a Christian theocracy. The source of the problem is the theocratic nature of the government itself, not the particular denomination of that theocracy. If anything, Saudi Arabia and its ilk should serve as a serious warning to all the pCm types here in America of just what exactly they're asking for.

I believe that muslims cannot be blamed for terrorism and such.

The questions I would, however, especially like to see answered are three and five.

Forget the rest. Just

3

5

Answer those.
I'd settle for just 3 even.

Did you read Colodia's earlier post where s/he answered all the questions or did you just ignore it?

They didnt address the questions, but merely beat around them.

They didnt address the questions, but merely beat around them.


it's easy to ask hateful questions and not listen to reasonable asnwers. it's harder to actually listen to those responses and see the reason in them. went the easy route eh? oh well.

Oh...yeah fine.

[QUOTE=Colodia] 1. Already answered that.
Out of how many hundreds of millions of Muslims, the amount speaking out just isn't good enough.

2. Why does that matter and would the situation be better if they were?Not an answer.

3. Power corrupts. Oh, and some guys take things too far.Every government has power. What's your point? Not good enough.

4. Because that's all you'd see if that's all your looking for.Not an answer.

5. Why does this questionaire imply that I'm out to kill random people for the hell of it? Not an answer

Even if I'm liberally scoring this, you get a 2/5.

Here's an idea... let's name some of the groups that have spoken out against terrorism instead of just saying that "many groups have" as an answer to number 1. Then those of us who apparently failed to listen the first time around won't have any more excuses :)

They didnt address the questions, but merely beat around them.
They weren't questions to begin with. They were a set-up.

Well then how come there has never been a single oppressive Christian majority country in the history of teh world? Obviously only Muslims are corruptable.

You would argue that the Catholic Church in the High Middle Ages was not oppressive? Even if it was an authoritarian entity, it oppressed many nations.

it's easy to ask hateful questions and not listen to reasonable asnwers. it's harder to actually listen to those responses and see the reason in them. went the easy route eh? oh well.
Hey, feel free to ask me questions about any particular category I fall into, and at least I'll answer them instead of attacking the question. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Colodia] Oh...yeah fine.


Out of how many hundreds of millions of Muslims, the amount speaking out just isn't good enough.

Not an answer.

Every government has power. What's your point? Not good enough.

Not an answer.

Not an answer

Even if I'm liberally scoring this, you get a 2/5.
You know what you get?

You get a fucking F-

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?
Because there's never been any atrocities committed in the name of Jesus Christ has there?

Blah blah blah, we have yet to see someone actually answer these questions.....just liberals coming on here to bitch....not exactly what we are looking for.....

Ah yes, anyone who isn't rabidly supportive of exterminating a religion is a "liberal" "bitching."

Of course, maybe no ones answered these questions because no one who is Muslim has posted? Since the original poster is demanding that Muslims answer it. And maybe no Muslims have answered because they're tired of people demanding that they speak out about terrorism as if they had anything to do with it? Just another thought.

Why haven't you spoken out against Irish terrorists yet? Or the Oklahoma City Bombing? I'm not hearing enough apologies from you about shit you didn't do. That proves your idealogy is evil! ;)

They weren't questions to begin with. They were a set-up.

Yeah, your right...."Everyone" is just out to get you.....:rolleyes:


"Everyone"= The Russians

[QUOTE=FireAntz]
You know what you get?

You get a fucking F-
I get an F-? I'm not the one being asked questions. If you don't have the answers, just admit it and move on. No one will blame you.

It's better to stay quiet and have everyone assume your an idiot, then to open your mouth and prove them right! ;)

Yeah, your right...."Everyone" is just out to get you.....:rolleyes:


"Everyone"= The Russians
No no, just idiots.

[QUOTE=FireAntz]
You know what you get?

You get a fucking F-

OoOoO someones getting mad because he doesnt use deodorant and just realized that he lives in a country were showering is a daily activity.

[QUOTE=Colodia]
I get an F-? I'm not the one being asked questions. If you don't have the answers, just admit it and move on. No one will blame you.

It's better to stay quiet and have everyone assume your an idiot, then to open your mouth and prove them right! ;)
:D

Well fucking done genius. You can't respond to me without flaming. Say bye-bye to any and all respect you had from anyone that actually mattered.

OoOoO someones getting mad because he doesnt use deodorant and just realized that he lives in a country were showering is a daily activity.

didnt take long to for this to turn to flame. you wanted answers and there are some in post #24. take it for what you will...

You would argue that the Catholic Church in the High Middle Ages was not oppressive? Even if it was an authoritarian entity, it oppressed many nations.

lol...dude, he was being sarcastic.

[QUOTE=FireAntz]
:D

Well fucking done genius. You can't respond to me without flaming. Say bye-bye to any and all respect you had from anyone that actually mattered.

I matter, and I respect him.

[QUOTE=Colodia]

I matter, and I respect him.
Shh, mmkay? You no get to talkie anymore wittle one.

Look. There have been many, many, countless Islamist extremist attacks that have killed many, many innocent people.

There have been 7 murders of abortion doctors, and a few scattered bombings, which I have seen no proof that those who commited them did so in the name of God. Look a Rudolph: He hasn't mentioned God, he literally thinks he's saving lives because abortion is murder.

And people STILL bring up those scattered Christian ones again and again. The countless Islamisist ones are dismissed (by liberals). This thread is proof.

Look. There have been many, many, countless Islamist extremist attacks that have killed many, many innocent people.

There have been 7 murders of abortion doctors, and a few scattered bombings, which I have seen no proof that those who commited them did so in the name of God. Look a Rudolph: He hasn't mentioned God, he literally thinks he's saving lives because abortion is murder.

And people STILL bring up those scattered Christian ones again and again. The countless Islamisist ones are dismissed (by liberals). This thread is proof.

They weren't questions to begin with. They were a set-up.

I never thought I'd say this. Ever. I agree with him. - The Noble Men

You would argue that the Catholic Church in the High Middle Ages was not oppressive? Even if it was an authoritarian entity, it oppressed many nations.
Never, the Catholic Church can do no wrong! It is a religion founded on the purest of principles and guided by magickal ponies that would never, ever, ever, ever try and impose their beliefs on other people or abuse their power in any way.

[QUOTE=The Atlantian islands]
Shh.

Wow...that must have taken lots of brain power to muster up a reply such as that...."shh" wow, one for the books.:rolleyes:

Hey, feel free to ask me questions about any particular category I fall into, and at least I'll answer them instead of attacking the question. :rolleyes:


OK, Why are so many KKK members and Abortion clinic bombers Conservative Republican Christians and so few Muslim?In fact forget the part about Muslims. Is it because Christians are just murderous bastards because the bible is so violent and teaches hate? Why don't we see all christian leaders everywhere takign out full page ads daily to denounce Christian violence? I mean with over 90% of the country being Christian, we just havent heard denouncements from enough of them. I'll attack my own questions now: What stupid questions. It's a few fundamentalists not the entire christian base that is violent and hateful. You shouldn't expect the few to be the voice of the many.

lol...dude, he was being sarcastic.
Sorry, didn't realise it. ITs very late here :p

Never, the Catholic Church can do no wrong! It is a religion founded on the purest of principles and guided by magickal ponies that would never, ever, ever, ever try and impose their beliefs on other people or abuse their power in any way.
You forgot to add that the Vatican is located in a mythical land of fairies, far far away, where one hears nor sees evil, high up in the clouds.

[QUOTE=Colodia]

Wow...that must have taken lots of brain power to muster up a reply such as that...."shh" wow, one for the books.:rolleyes:
Yeah I don't think you should talk anymore unless you have something to say that isn't defined as flamebaiting or flaming. Until you can, you can't talk anymore and be respected.

Anddd in the midst of the chaos...no one, including Mr.Too-good-for-deodorant, has honestly answered the orginal questions.

Never, the Catholic Church can do no wrong! It is a religion founded on the purest of principles and guided by magickal ponies that would never, ever, ever, ever try and impose their beliefs on other people or abuse their power in any way.


nor would they touch little boys innapropriately.

I find it quite hilarious that instead of trying to answer the questions (with the exception of 1 poster) everyone is yelling "Christianity is just as bad!"

Guess what! I hate Christianity too! :eek: They are a bunch of fucking hypocrites! And yes, they don't condemn abortion clinic bombings enough either.BUT, how many abortion clinics have been blown up this year? And hoe many suicide bombers have killed how many civilians?


But I'm not scared to go to a Christian majority country and get kidnapped, blindfolded, and have my head cut off, just for being an aid worker. ;)

Anddd in the midst of the chaos...no one, including Mr.Too-good-for-deodorant, has honestly answered the orginal questions.


It seems the only 'honest' answer you would accept is an answer that you would agree with, everything else is just liberal hogwash.

[QUOTE=The Atlantian islands]
Yeah I don't think you should talk anymore unless you have something to say that isn't defined as flamebaiting or flaming. Until you can, you can't talk anymore and be respected.

Oh right because I just go out of my way to gain respect from the stupid arabs who send themsleves out to bomb my fellow Jews, because they beleive we are infidels....Screw you guys....we should just wall you guys in and let you guys fight over your stupid sand piles. No wonder no one likes you guys...Go to hell.

I find it quite hilarious that instead of trying to answer the questions (with the exception of 1 poster) everyone is yelling "Christianity is just as bad!"

Guess what! I hate Christianity too! :eek: They are a bunch of fucking hypocrites!

But I'm not scared to go to a Christian majority country and get kidnapped, blindfolded, and have my head cut off, just for being an aid worker. ;)
I find it quite hilarious that you refuse to acknowledge that you shouldn't talk anymore either.

Time-out for you mister. Or miss. Or whatever you are.

Look. There have been many, many, countless Islamist extremist attacks that have killed many, many innocent people.

There have been 7 murders of abortion doctors, and a few scattered bombings, which I have seen no proof that those who commited them did so in the name of God. Look a Rudolph: He hasn't mentioned God, he literally thinks he's saving lives because abortion is murder.

And people STILL bring up those scattered Christian ones again and again. The countless Islamisist ones are dismissed (by liberals). This thread is proof.

Many, many? Countless? My how specific you get. And I like your use of the term "Islamisist" to show how you've changed from a few years ago when you'd happily just say "Muslims" or perhaps "Towel heads." Your xenophobia is improving in subtlety!

This thread is proof.

I find it quite hilarious that instead of trying to answer the questions (with the exception of 1 poster) everyone is yelling "Christianity is just as bad!"
I don't think there are that many Muslims on NS. To my knowledge there are only 3 (one of which I haven't seen for ages).

Maybe you should all wait with the foaming until someone comes along and answers?

these arent my words, but are taking from another forum:

1) The Muslim world has largely been on the "public affairs defensive" since 9-11, and seemed for a long time to have adopted the unfortunate tactic of silent condemntation--basically, keeping their mouths shut in the hope that it would blow over. Obviously this was a poorly thought out course of action, but should NOT be confused with approval of terrorism, either tacit or active. Plus, as Publius notes, recent months have seen the mainstream Muslim community become notably more vocal. I think the finally realized that the problem was not going to go away, and that active measures on their parts were required to seperate themselves from the zealots and murderers who would hijack their faith. From Britain to Jordan, mainstream Muslims everywhere have at last (perhaps overdue) started to publicly, and VERY vocally, rally against the Islamofascists.

2) Ummmmmmm.... because, proportionately, there are so few Christian Palestinians? And as Publius points out, "a few" does not equal "none." Besides, the world has AMPLE supply of Christian terrorists... from the Phallangists in Lebanon to abortion clinic bombers in America, there is not short supply of those willing to do evil in Jesus' name. Many confuse the conflict in Israel-Palestine as being strictly of a religious nature; I would argue it is not; it is an ETHNIC conflict, not a religious one.

3) Personally, I would argue that YES, fundamentalist Islam is a contributing factor to the less than democratic conditions of many of the nations described. However, it is far from the sole factor. Bottom line, Islam is an evolving religion, and is going through the same growing pains that Christianity and Judeaism have gone through in the past. This does not give the Muslim community a free pass for what I consider some serious social flaws in the practical application of fundamentalist Islam; it does however put it in a historical perspective, and illustrates that they are going through a phase that Christianity itself passed though not too long ago.

4) Because Islam, due to a variety of reasons, is ripe for the hijacking by demogogues and murderers. While this is a theological-philosophical problem that the Muslim community is going to have to address sometime soon, it does NOT make innocent Muslims "guilty by association," any more than I am guilty of the Abu Ghurayb offenses by virtue of the fact that I wear a uniform.

5) Religious persecution is a serious problem in many fundamentalist Muslim theocracies; however, it would be just AS serious a problem in America if we were a Christian theocracy. The source of the problem is the theocratic nature of the government itself, not the particular denomination of that theocracy. If anything, Saudi Arabia and its ilk should serve as a serious warning to all the pCm types here in America of just what exactly they're asking for.

LOOK EVERYONE! THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!

I'd really love to hear people discuss *these* answers instead of previous half-assed ones.

[QUOTE=Colodia]

Oh right because I just go out of my way to gain respect from the stupid arabs who send themsleves out to bomb fellow Jews, because they beleive we are infidels....Screw you guys....we should just wall you guys in and let you guys fight over your stupid sand piles. No wonder no one likes you guys...Go to hell.
Hey genius, I'm a fucking American.

So I heard hell is reserved for those who hate others in a similar fashion. Hmm. Well you can draw your own conclusions for that.

I'd really love to hear people discuss *these* answers instead of previous half-assed ones.
Shut your mouth.

LOOK EVERYONE! THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!

I'd really love to hear people discuss *these* answers instead of previous half-assed ones.

wow, and i thought no one would even read that post... :p

[QUOTE=Colodia]

Oh right because I just go out of my way to gain respect from the stupid arabs who send themsleves out to bomb my fellow Jews, because they beleive we are infidels....Screw you guys....we should just wall you guys in and let you guys fight over your stupid sand piles. No wonder no one likes you guys...Go to hell.

Is this the part where you take your toys home and get a new best friend?

Shut your mouth.
Would you care to give me a reason why I should?

LOOK EVERYONE! THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!

I'd really love to hear people discuss *these* answers instead of previous half-assed ones.
I read them, and I'd be happy to discuss them with whomever wrote them.
I'm looking for individual answers, and individual opinions.

LOOK EVERYONE! THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!

I'd really love to hear people discuss *these* answers instead of previous half-assed ones.


their blinders block them from viewing this post and their hatred for muslims wont change even if they did read it it seems

[QUOTE=The Atlantian islands]
Hey genius, I'm a fucking American.

So I heard hell is reserved for those who hate others in a similar fashion. Hmm. Well you can draw your own conclusions for that.

Hell is reserved for those who blow themselves up in hopes that the explosion captured a Jew, Christian, European, or American....

Fucking pathetic....and you, whether or not you are muslim, are sticking up for them.

[QUOTE=The Atlantian islands]

Is this the part where you take your toys home and get a new best friend?

....

I read them, and I'd be happy to discuss them with whomever wrote them.
I'm looking for individual answers, and individual opinions.

Oh what a chicken-shit response.

[QUOTE=Colodia]

Hell is reserved for those who blow themselves up in hopes that the explosion captured a Jew, Christian, European, or American....

Fucking pathetic....and you, whether or not you are muslim, are sticking up for them.
:rolleyes:

You obviously know nothing and do not deserve to debate anything related to this topic. Get out there, get a life, and learn a little culture before you start thinking that your above and beyond a billion people.

I read them, and I'd be happy to discuss them with whomever wrote them.
Well, you know, it's kind of *your turn* to post, then. There's not really anything to argue until someone comes up with a reason for why those aren't entirely practical, fair, and logical answers to the questions. I for one find them completely satisfactory.

Well, you know, it's kind of *your turn* to post, then. There's not really anything to argue until someone comes up with a reason for why those aren't entirely practical, fair, and logical answers to the questions. I for one find them completely satisfactory.


he's stalling until he can get some more bs talking points jotted down

[QUOTE=The Atlantian islands]
:rolleyes:

You obviously know nothing and do not deserve to debate anything related to this topic. Get out there, get a life, and learn a little culture before you start thinking that your above and beyond a billion people.

Funny, because you have accuratly just described the Muslim attitude towards the rest of us "infidels"..."above and beyond a billion people"...After all, what is the life of one infidel, when the reward is 27 virgins....disgusting.
How can you defend a people who kill us, because they are raised to hate us, becaue their parents were raised to hate us, and because their children (should they not wish to blow up any infidels and themselves in the process) will be raised to hate us.

Funny, because you have accuratly just described the Muslim attitude towards the rest of us "infidels"..."above and beyond a billion people"...After all, what is the life of one infidel, when the reward is 27 virgins....disgusting.
How can you defend a people who kill us, because they are raised to hate us, becaue their parents were raised to hate us, and because their children (should they not wish to blow up any infidels and themselves in the process) will be raised to hate us.
Jesus Christ...I swear to God your a hopeless case and I pray to God that you don't have any influence on a younger generation.

[QUOTE=Colodia]

Funny, because you have accuratly just described the Muslim attitude towards the rest of us "infidels"..."above and beyond a billion people"...After all, what is the life of one infidel, when the reward is 27 virgins....disgusting.
How can you defend a people who kill us, because they are raised to hate us, becaue their parents were raised to hate us, and because their children (should they not wish to blow up any infidels and themselves in the process) will be raised to hate us.

Congratulations, you just accurately described .01% of the Muslim population!

1) The Muslim world has largely been on the "public affairs defensive" since 9-11, and seemed for a long time to have adopted the unfortunate tactic of silent condemntation--basically, keeping their mouths shut in the hope that it would blow over. Obviously this was a poorly thought out course of action, but should NOT be confused with approval of terrorism, either tacit or active. Plus, as Publius notes, recent months have seen the mainstream Muslim community become notably more vocal. I think the finally realized that the problem was not going to go away, and that active measures on their parts were required to seperate themselves from the zealots and murderers who would hijack their faith. From Britain to Jordan, mainstream Muslims everywhere have at last (perhaps overdue) started to publicly, and VERY vocally, rally against the Islamofascists. See!? There's an answer, boys and girls. I accept it and give it an A. See how easy that was?

2) Ummmmmmm.... because, proportionately, there are so few Christian Palestinians? And as Publius points out, "a few" does not equal "none." Besides, the world has AMPLE supply of Christian terrorists... from the Phallangists in Lebanon to abortion clinic bombers in America, there is not short supply of those willing to do evil in Jesus' name. Many confuse the conflict in Israel-Palestine as being strictly of a religious nature; I would argue it is not; it is an ETHNIC conflict, not a religious one. Not really an answer, so much as a "well there are some Christians who are evil, so there!"

3) Personally, I would argue that YES, fundamentalist Islam is a contributing factor to the less than democratic conditions of many of the nations described. However, it is far from the sole factor. Bottom line, Islam is an evolving religion, and is going through the same growing pains that Christianity and Judeaism have gone through in the past. This does not give the Muslim community a free pass for what I consider some serious social flaws in the practical application of fundamentalist Islam; it does however put it in a historical perspective, and illustrates that they are going through a phase that Christianity itself passed though not too long ago. I don't quite agree 100%, but it's a noble enough answer, with some valid points.

4) Because Islam, due to a variety of reasons, is ripe for the hijacking by demogogues and murderers. While this is a theological-philosophical problem that the Muslim community is going to have to address sometime soon, it does NOT make innocent Muslims "guilty by association," any more than I am guilty of the Abu Ghurayb offenses by virtue of the fact that I wear a uniform. Mostly true, but it's bullshit to say it's because it "is ripe for the hijacking by demogogues and murderers"
All religions are!

5) Religious persecution is a serious problem in many fundamentalist Muslim theocracies; however, it would be just AS serious a problem in America if we were a Christian theocracy. The source of the problem is the theocratic nature of the government itself, not the particular denomination of that theocracy. If anything, Saudi Arabia and its ilk should serve as a serious warning to all the pCm types here in America of just what exactly they're asking for. Thats a copout. I don't see any real answer there.

Jesus Christ...I swear to God your a hopeless case and I pray to God that you don't have any influence on a younger generation.

Odd that I am agreeing with you on a social issue!

But, sadly, that IS the younger generation. A generation that is programmed by the media's tireless flogging of the 9/11 sympathy card to hate and fear Islam.

These two links directly connect to my feeling on A-rabs

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/middleeast.html

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/antiameri.html


Ahh...after looking at those I feel much better.:D

These two links directly connect to my feeling on A-rabs

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/middleeast.html

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/antiameri.html


Ahh...after looking at those I feel much better.:D
Oh your a riot with old internet jokes.

(1) Why are you so quiet? (about terrorism)Mosy aren't. Muslims like most people, are loudly opposed to terrorism

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?
How many Christians are there in Palestine?

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?Because alot of Muslim countires happen to be in poorer regions and poorer regiosn tend not to have democracies?

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?Al Qadea is to Islam and the Klu Klux Klan is to Christianity

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?Because they're extremist nutjobs...?

I'm Catholic, but that's my best shot.

But, sadly, that IS the younger generation. A generation that is programmed by the media's tireless flogging of the 9/11 sympathy card to hate and fear Islam.

Any kid that lives around large muslim populations knows to call b-llshit.

These two links directly connect to my feeling on A-rabs.
*Desperately tries to find the word Arab anywhere and only finds Muslim*

Not really an answer, so much as a "well there are some Christians who are evil, so there!"

george habash http://www.palestineremembered.com/al-Ramla/al-Lydd/Story173.html

Not really an answer, so much as a "well there are some Christians who are evil, so there!"
The very question is already bullshit. You can't tell me that "Non-Muslims" in LA (read: Christians) are not trying to assert that Islam is violent and Christianity isn't. His answer covers that message, and as you see, most people here seem to interpret it that way too.

Thats a copout. I don't see any real answer there.
Why? The thing you are asking for is not about religion, it's about government.

I have to ask you though - what kind of answer would you want?
The only ones you agreed with are those that put a fault with some sort of collective Muslim collective.

How many Christians are there in Palestine?



I know very, very little about the middle east, but Israel has:

Arab Christians 1.7%, other Christian 0.4%
Source (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#People)

These two links directly connect to my feeling on A-rabs

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/middleeast.html

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/antiameri.html


Ahh...after looking at those I feel much better.:D
I know this is meant as a joke, but you aren't really that prejudiced are you? :confused: I mean, do you honestly believe all Muslims (or Arabs for that matter) are evil?

I know this is meant as a joke, but you aren't really that prejudiced are you? :confused: I mean, do you honestly believe all Muslims (or Arabs for that matter) are evil?

No. There is not one group of any people who are all evil...except maybe some kind of mass murderer cult....But I just cant stand muslim apologists like these guys.....

Here's an interesting article from the L.A. Times, and after reading it, I'd like to know the answers too! So if any Muslims out there would care to address this, I'd appreciate this.

(1) Why are you so quiet? (about terrorism)

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

BTW - If you'd rather just ignore the questions, and attack America instead, feel free, because you'll be winning me $20 bucks in a bet I have with someone. ;)

These I can answer, and I'm not even Muslim!
1) They're not quiet, you're just not listening.
2) Because Palestine doesn't have a very big Christian population.
3) Define "free", if by free you mean democratic, it's because the governments in 46 of the 47 Muslim-majority countries are run by dicks.
4) Because some Muslims are dicks that hide behind Islam.
5) See answer to Q3.

That clear things up? Good.