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Let's see - you provoke outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims, and you get kicked out of office - to be replaced by someone who provokes outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims.

And you're not in the US!

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/92624.html

A few days after the Danish People's Party (DF) punished its Copenhagen mayoral candidate for publishing racist remarks on her website, removing her from the post as the party spokesman on educational affairs, her successor went ahead and described the Muslim religion as a terrorist movement.

Defeated mayoral candidate Louise Frevert's website compared Muslims with cancer tumours in Danish society, causing a public outrage. Though she blamed the statement on her website editor, DF sanctioned her by removing her from a number of spokesman posts in parliament, including the one on educational policies.

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your point?

I always knew I liked the Danes...Whooo Go Danes!!!

You have my support!

Let's see - you provoke outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims, and you get kicked out of office - to be replaced by someone who provokes outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims.

And you're not in the US!

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/92624.html
Well, think about it. If you say it's a cancer, you would have to undergo painful chemo and marrow transplants and what not. By labeling it as terrorism, you can do something more constructive directly against the root of the problem, like invading El Salvador.

Mmmh... I don't think that was the point, either... :)

Mine too! :D

This is Dansk Folkeparti, no? Xenophobia - it's their entire platform, so I am not the least bit surprised. It's like Republicans giving tax cuts to the rich, par for the course.

But do misunderstand me correctly - Dansk Folkeparti's policies sicken me, and they are often used as an example of what sort of attitudes to combat in adjacent Swedish debates.

How far to the Right of the political spectrum is the Dansk Folkeparti in any case?

Isn't it a sort of BNP lite? So this is not really that surprising. (Other than the seats in parliament).

This is Dansk Folkeparti, no? Xenophobia - it's their entire platform, so I am not the least bit surprised. It's like Republicans giving tax cuts to the rich, par for the course.

But do misunderstand me correctly - Dansk Folkeparti's policies sicken me, and they are often used as an example of what sort of attitudes to combat in adjacent Swedish debates.

I like this party and I like Denmark....It shows that, contrary to popular American beleif, there is some sanity left in Europe.

It goes to an extreme though. We do have a problem with immigrants in Europe, but this party verges on being fascist. I love all the Scandinavian countries, but Sweden most of all :D

What on Earth is the point of this thread?
The far-right sucks. And?

It goes to an extreme though. We do have a problem with immigrants in Europe, but this party verges on being fascist. I love all the Scandinavian countries, but Sweden most of all :D

I'd rather have a couple extreme leaders in a right party than a couple extreme leaders in a left party...the latter is what europe mainly consists of right now....However, in a perfect world I would like a not so extreme right party..just to make myself clear.

Indeed, Europe needs reform sorely.

I'd rather have a couple extreme leaders in a right party than a couple extreme leaders in a left party...the latter is what europe mainly consists of right now...
Well, here we disagree.

The Far Right clings on to ridiculous notions of "blame it on those that are not like us". They are the absolutely least likely to ever tackle actual problems. You can expect a Far Left party to recognise problems and try to solve them with economic policies (whether that works is another matter) - which is a lot better than anything Neonazis have to offer.

As for Europe being full of the far left...well, let's see:

Spain: Centre Left
France: Centre Right
UK: Calls itself Centre Left but really is Centre Right
Benelux: All Centre Right (and yes, the VLD-Coalition is Centre Right)
Germany: Coalition between Centre Right and Centre Left
Italy: Centre (?) Right
Poland: Pretty Radical Right and Centre Right Coalition
and so on...

I'd rather have a couple extreme leaders in a right party than a couple extreme leaders in a left party...the latter is what europe mainly consists of right now....However, in a perfect world I would like a not so extreme right party..just to make myself clear.

Indeed, Europe needs reform sorely.

I really don't get the points of these statements.

Europe is in a socioeconomic crisis. Get it now?

Europe is in a socioeconomic crisis. Get it now?
And Racist Parties need to be praised as "sane" then?

Perhaps I did not make myself clear...I never said Europe needs extreme right leaders...I merely said it needs reform.

As for immigrants, making sure that those that we let into Europe can contribute economically and can meld with the host culture is essential. We need to make sure that the level of those foreigners entering the EU is high.

Well, here we disagree.

The Far Right clings on to ridiculous notions of "blame it on those that are not like us". They are the absolutely least likely to ever tackle actual problems. You can expect a Far Left party to recognise problems and try to solve them with economic policies (whether that works is another matter) - which is a lot better than anything Neonazis have to offer.

As for Europe being full of the far left...well, let's see:

Spain: Centre Left
France: Centre Right
UK: Calls itself Centre Left but really is Centre Right
Benelux: All Centre Right (and yes, the VLD-Coalition is Centre Right)
Germany: Coalition between Centre Right and Centre Left
Italy: Centre (?) Right
Poland: Pretty Radical Right and Centre Right Coalition
and so on...

Just because your are far right does not mean you are Neo-Nazi...Reagan was Uber far right, but he was anything but a Neo-Nazi.
As for these, they need adjusting:
Spain: pretty left (they legalized gay marriage for Godsake
France: Centre LEFT...that is a freaking given
UK: Left some some issues and Right on others...
Benelux: No idea so I will agree with you here
Germany: right but germany has been pretty left for a while, one can only hope that merkel with "righten" things out...It pleases me very much so that the german people voted for a conservative
Italy: Centre (?) Right
Poland: I dont know about RADICAL, but I have much love for Poland because they refused to stand down to Russian and German pressures about the Iraq war, and decided to help us.
Scandanavia: Far Left, Radical Left
Switzerland: I'm pretty sure they are right..although, admitingly I dont know much about Swiss politcs

Austria is right wing as far as I know. Switzerland is not part of the EU, unless you mean the entire EEC.

Austria is right wing as far as I know. Switzerland is not part of the EU, unless you mean the entire EEC.

I know..I was just staying European countries...:p

Might as well include Russia too then, its European, its prominent and it has socioeconomic issues too...it would be far Left I guess?

Might as well include Russia too then, its European, its prominent and it has socioeconomic issues too...it would be far Left I guess?

Yeah..from what I know Russia appears to be pretty far left...it begs for reforms....Russia is literally falling apart...and that Putin isnt helping in the least bit.:mad:

It will be a long, long time before Russia ever enters the EU. Hopefully it will begin reforming at some stage. Hopefully, the EU will too :p

It will be a long, long time before Russia ever enters the EU. Hopefully it will begin reforming at some stage. Hopefully, the EU will too :p

One can only hope.....I'm looking into Switzerland right now on our good friend Wiki....have you ever actually checked it out..Its amazing...its Uber-Capitalist....I have newfound respect for Switzerland.:p

Switzerland is often the country that is said to be the ideal model for the EU to follow, what with its condeferal government and powerful economy.

You need to learn a few things...

Just because your are far right does not mean you are Neo-Nazi...Reagan was Uber far right, but he was anything but a Neo-Nazi.
These parties that you are talking about, from BND in the UK over this Danish Party to the NPD in Germany - they're racist, xenophobic, irrational parties - they essentially are Neo-Nazis.

As for these, they need adjusting:
Spain: pretty left (they legalized gay marriage for Godsake)
Nope. "Pretty left" would indicate some sort of Communist inclination. They are Social Democrats...and since when does legalising gay marriage have anything to do with this?
They grant their citizens civil rights....:eek:

France: Centre LEFT...that is a freaking given
This is ridiculous. Have you got any idea what you're talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_a_Popular_Movement

UK: Left some some issues and Right on others...
Well, not really. It's a "Third Way" Party which has taken to more Right-Wing than Left Wing Policies.

Germany: right but germany has been pretty left for a while, one can only hope that merkel with "righten" things out...It pleases me very much so that the german people voted for a conservative
I'm sure it does...you being "Germanic" and all. :rolleyes:

Poland: I dont know about RADICAL, but I have much love for Poland because they refused to stand down to Russian and German pressures about the Iraq war, and decided to help us.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/1054681.stm#leaders
As for Iraq...well, I guess they wanted to prove how "independent" they were by not playing the lap dog for their Neighbours...and instead chose the US.

Scandanavia: Far Left, Radical Left
Ahem...sure. Scandinavia is a seperate case from Continental Europe because they have very different economic situations. But let's have a look:
Iceland (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1025227.stm#leaders): Centre Right
Norway (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1023276.stm#leaders): Red-Green...Centre Left. And their leader is an economist.
Sweden (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1021823.stm#leaders): Social Democrats...Centre Left again. Civil Rights for their people is not radical leftism.
Denmark (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1032760.stm#leaders): Liberal Party (European Meaning, not US) - Centre Right if not Thatcherite.
Finland (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1023629.stm#leaders) (Yes, not really Scandinavian...): Centre Left Coalition.

Switzerland: I'm pretty sure they are right..although, admitingly I dont know much about Swiss politcs
They have a funny system anyways...but Xenophobes are pretty popular there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1035212.stm#leaders

Switzerland is often the country that is said to be the ideal model for the EU to follow, what with its condeferal government and powerful economy.

Fat chance of that happening....The day the Europe takes any reforms in the direction of becoming more like Switzerland...is the day I bow my head east across the atlantic.....However....miracles can happen....;)

It may happen though. Many experts now argue it is the best way for the EU to go.

And Neu Leonstein, he is half German, what is your problem?

And Neu Leonstein, he is half German, what is your problem?
My point is that one cannot be "half German". One can be American, or one can be German. One cannot pick and choose a nationality (especially if he combines it with a curious interest for racial differences).

What I wonder is why do you even care? Its his right to define himself as he so pleases.

You need to learn a few things...


These parties that you are talking about, from BND in the UK over this Danish Party to the NPD in Germany - they're racist, xenophobic, irrational parties - they essentially are Neo-Nazis.


Nope. "Pretty left" would indicate some sort of Communist inclination. They are Social Democrats...and since when does legalising gay marriage have anything to do with this?
They grant their citizens civil rights....:eek:


This is ridiculous. Have you got any idea what you're talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_a_Popular_Movement


Well, not really. It's a "Third Way" Party which has taken to more Right-Wing than Left Wing Policies.


I'm sure it does...you being "Germanic" and all. :rolleyes:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/1054681.stm#leaders
As for Iraq...well, I guess they wanted to prove how "independent" they were by not playing the lap dog for their Neighbours...and instead chose the US.


Ahem...sure. Scandinavia is a seperate case from Continental Europe because they have very different economic situations. But let's have a look:
Iceland (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1025227.stm#leaders): Centre Right
Norway (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1023276.stm#leaders): Red-Green...Centre Left. And their leader is an economist.
Sweden (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1021823.stm#leaders): Social Democrats...Centre Left again. Civil Rights for their people is not radical leftism.
Denmark (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1032760.stm#leaders): Liberal Party (European Meaning, not US) - Centre Right if not Thatcherite.
Finland (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1023629.stm#leaders) (Yes, not really Scandinavian...): Centre Left Coalition.


They have a funny system anyways...but Xenophobes are pretty popular there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1035212.stm#leaders

1. Legalizing gay marriage has everything to do with left and right...we are not just talking economics...although admittidly we are MOSTLY talking economics....and they are Social Democrats...that is LEFT
2. I checked on Wiki...they didnt state the views and stances of the party...so that doesnt clear anything up...and Chirac has not taken any conservative stances that I am aware of.
3. It has nothing to do with my background, but everything to do with the fact that Germany is the leading European state, the most populous (im pretty sure) and has the largest economy. To see the people vote for someone who ran on a conservative pro American platform makes any (conservative) american happy...regardless fo background.
4. As for Poland...like I said, for this I am thankfull.
5. Scandanavia is know for how left it is...like its notorious welfare programs that only work if you have a huge economy and about a 6 million population.

What I wonder is why do you even care? Its his right to define himself as he so pleases.
Could I go around and call myself a Black Man?

It's essentially telling people something that is not true. The very definition of a lie. And as I said with a worrying background.

I'll have to leave for an hour or so, then I'll make a thread about that issue. For the time being, we'd better stop hijacking.

Could I go around and call myself a Black Man?

It's essentially telling people something that is not true. The very definition of a lie. And as I said with a worrying background.

I'll have to leave for an hour or so, then I'll make a thread about that issue. For the time being, we'd better stop hijacking.
We can put the issue to rest right now by accepting the fact that he indeed has German blood.

I never said I was german.....nor half German...I said I was an American with a German background. As you are not an American...you will not understand why I say this. However, in America it is not uncommon at all to relate and talk about your background.....No one is denying the fact the I am an American and not a German...we are simply stating that I am an American with german heritage...I dont see whats wrong with that....Nor do the other 285,000 million Americans.

Neither do I. The same holds true of South Africa. We are hardly oblivious of our Dutch heritage (or English, or French to those who it applies).

Just one thing: Its spellt Scandinavia ;)

Neither do I. The same holds true of South Africa. We are hardly oblivious of our Dutch heritage (or English, or French to those who it applies).

Exactly...I dont know what his deal is with the whole thing...

1. Legalizing gay marriage has everything to do with left and right...we are not just talking economics...although admittidly we are MOSTLY talking economics....and they are Social Democrats...that is LEFT
2. I checked on Wiki...they didnt state the views and stances of the party...so that doesnt clear anything up...and Chirac has not taken any conservative stances that I am aware of.
3. It has nothing to do with my background, but everything to do with the fact that Germany is the leading European state, the most populous (im pretty sure) and has the largest economy. To see the people vote for someone who ran on a conservative pro American platform makes any (conservative) american happy...regardless fo background.
4. As for Poland...like I said, for this I am thankfull.
5. Scandanavia is know for how left it is...like its notorious welfare programs that only work if you have a huge economy and about a 6 million population.
Poland, I am not too sure of. This new president seems to want to create a new republic. I am not sure what his stance towards the EU is.

Hey, if it works for Scandinavia, why toss it away? :p They are unlikely to run out of wealth for many years to come, and will probably find new sources soon. If the EU fully integrates soon though, they will have to adapt to whatever economic system the EU wishes to adopt.

Poland, I am not too sure of. This new president seems to want to create a new republic. I am not sure what his stance towards the EU is.

Hey, if it works for Scandinavia, why toss it away? :p They are unlikely to run out of wealth for many years to come, and will probably find new sources soon. If the EU fully integrates soon though, they will have to adapt to whatever economic system the EU wishes to adopt.

He was born in Białogard, and during the communist era he was active in the communist Socialist Union of Polish Students and was sports minister in the 1980s. He was a former leader of the left-wing Social Democracy of the Republic of Poland, successor to the former ruling Polish United Workers Party, and later of the Democratic Left Alliance....

Thats what Wikipedia said about him....but then it said...

Kwaśniewski was elected president in 1995, defeating the incumbent, Lech Wałęsa. He was re-elected to a second and final term as president in 2000 in a decisive first-round victory. His term ends on December 23, 2005, when he will hand over power to conservative Lech Kaczyński....

So I guess a conservative was voted in...I'm not too familiar with Polish politics.

Poland, I am not too sure of. This new president seems to want to create a new republic. I am not sure what his stance towards the EU is.

Hey, if it works for Scandinavia, why toss it away? :p They are unlikely to run out of wealth for many years to come, and will probably find new sources soon. If the EU fully integrates soon though, they will have to adapt to whatever economic system the EU wishes to adopt.

Theres nothing wrong with Scandanvias system, if your a scandanavian country...However, not calling it left is absurd.

Indeed, Poland is ruled by a Conservative government now, the president of which wants to create a Fourth Republic.

Why do you spell it scandanavian? :confused:

Indeed, Poland is ruled by a Conservative government now, the president of which wants to create a Fourth Republic.

Why do you spell it scandanavian? :confused:

Because it is 11:44 at night and I am multi tasking by posting on this forum while writing a 6 page economics essay on the pros and cons of an organ donor market. :D

Chirac has not taken any conservative stances that I am aware of

?!?!!

Theres nothing wrong with Scandanvias system, if your a scandanavian country...However, not calling it left is absurd.
He never said it wasn't left. He said it wasn't what you said, Far Left and Radical Left. It's more center-left.

And Sweden doesn't have a booming economy, and we have 9 million inhab. yet the social system works just fine here, thank you very much.

Wow this thread was almost a good as this one ---> http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457033

Please, do not assume that DF speaks for all Danes. They're racist idiot scum who snatch votes by painting immigration as some kind of cancerous tumor. The rest of us who did not vote for them see them for what they are - a load of backwards village idiots who got organized.

While the left-right scale is IMO severely outdated, you could call them a socially liberal, yet hardline conservative right-wing party. They want to force christianity into the government, throw all arab immigrants out of the country(white europeans aren't a problem, for some reason..), persecute gays and centralize the government.

Let's see - you provoke outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims, and you get kicked out of office - to be replaced by someone who provokes outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims.
This person wasn't in mayoral office - she was a candidate for mayor. (Edit: it seems she was, and still is, an MP - so still not 'kicked out of office'.) I can only hope you made an honest mistake, misreading the article, and aren't deliberately misrepresenting the facts.

This person wasn't in mayoral office - she was a candidate for mayor. (Edit: it seems she was, and still is, an MP - so still not 'kicked out of office'.) I can only hope you made an honest mistake, misreading the article, and aren't deliberately misrepresenting the facts.
No, my mistake.

But the point of the thread is that here you have someone with positions in a party, and they lose those positions because they said something "racist". And that person is replaced by someone who sounds (to me at least) like more of the same.

We can put the issue to rest right now by accepting the fact that he indeed has German blood.

German blood? Now what on earth is that supposed to be?

"But the point of the thread is that here you have someone with positions in a party, and they lose those positions because they said something "racist". And that person is replaced by someone who sounds (to me at least) like more of the same."

- Please note that Louise Frevert(and members of Dansk Folkeparti in general) say racist things all the time, they usually just make sure they don't break the racism laws - Louise Frevert crossed over and wrote shit that would make Hitler proud. When she did, Copenhagen voters punished her big time. It doesn't matter who would do it.

Also, you don't understand what happened here. As Safalra mentions, she was trying to become Over-Mayor of Copenhagen, a candidate. All the while, she was(and STILL is) member of the Danish national parliament. When she didn't get elected, and lost DF a great deal of votes in the Copenhagen area; HER OWN PARTY tried to oust her from running for mayor another time because she gave them a bad reputation.

They didn't try to throw her out of the parliament, she's still there. Regardless of what kind of "anti-racist discrimination" you want to associate with this situation, it's just not the case.

Let's see - you provoke outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims, and you get kicked out of office - to be replaced by someone who provokes outrage by being "racist" towards Muslims.

And you're not in the US!

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/92624.html
That's classic politics. It happens everywhere.