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Like many Australians I was horrified and disgusted by the exection of Van Nugyen by the Signaporian Government, today. But what did warm my heart, is the site of over one thousands Catholics (who without prior organization) swamped into St Stephens Cathederal to pray for his soul and the souls of theose who murdered him.

The Catholic Church, for all it's failings, has an unimpeachable position on human life we can all respect, if not agree with: "No Abortion, No Execution, No Murder, No Euthenasia, Life is Sacred".

So too all the Catholics out there, join me in something I haven't done in a long time and light a candle for Van and a candle for his killers.

Like many Australians I was horrified and disgusted by the exection of Van Nugyen by the Signaporian Government, today. But what did warm my heart, is the site of over one thousands Catholics (who without prior organization) swamped into St Stephens Cathederal to pray for his soul and the souls of theose who murdered him.

The Catholic Church, for all it's failings, has an unimpeachable position on human life we can all respect, if not agree with: "No Abortion, No Execution, No Murder, No Euthenasia, Life is Sacred".

So too all the Catholics out there, join me in something I haven't done in a long time and light a candle for Van and a candle for his killers.

Well what about the guys brother and the loan shark. Now how is he going to pay back the loan shark? That mean his brother gets killed too?

Also, what is it Australia could have done without actually going in there and getting the guy?

Well what about the guys brother and the loan shark. Now how is he going to pay back the loan shark? That mean is brother gets killed too?

Also, what is it Australia could have done without actually going in there and getting the guy?
They could have tried the International Court of Justice. Worth a go. They could have attempted to have him extradicted.

And Rotovia, I have issues with the Catholic church's "unimpeachable" record on the sanctity of life, but eh. Thats another thread in itself.

Well what about the guys brother and the loan shark. Now how is he going to pay back the loan shark? That mean is brother gets killed too? There's nothing funny about the situation. A man is dead.

Also, what is it Australia could have done without actually going in there and getting the guy? Nothing, except apply diplomatic pressure, which we did. Millions of letters were sent (according to Australia Post), hundreds of thousands signed petetions taken by Amnesty International in capital cities, tens of thousands of emails were sent through a campaign by GetUp.org and the Australian Parliament passed a resolution begging for his life to be spared.

I'm not contesting whether we did everything inside violating national soverignty, I'm calling on Catholics to pray.

They could have tried the International Court of Justice. Worth a go. They could have attempted to have him extradicted.

And Rotovia, I have issues with the Catholic church's "unimpeachable" record on the sanctity of life, but eh. Thats another thread in itself.
It's unimpeachable in terms of consistancy, that's all. Unlike some protestant denominations that condemnd abortion, but condone execution. But as you said, that's a whole other thread.

Like many Australians I was horrified and disgusted by the exection of Van Nugyen by the Signaporian Government, today.

I didn't know you were such a concerned Australian citizen, Rotovia. In fact, I did know you were an Australian citizen at all...

[QUOTE=Rotovia-]Like many Australians I was horrified and disgusted by the exection of Van Nugyen by the Signaporian Government, today.QUOTE]

I didn't know you were such a concerned Australian citizen, Rotovia. In fact, I did know you were an Australian citizen at all...
I hold dual South African & Australian Citizenship, why?

There's nothing funny about the situation. A man is dead. Actually not making fun. The guys brother was the reason he was trying to make cash right? What happens to him?

Nothing, except apply diplomatic pressure, which we did. Millions of letters were sent (according to Australia Post), hundreds of thousands signed petetions taken by Amnesty International in capital cities, tens of thousands of emails were sent through a campaign by GetUp.org and the Australian Parliament passed a resolution begging for his life to be spared.

I'm not contesting whether we did everything inside violating national soverignty, I'm calling on Catholics to pray.


I wonder if they considered sending in a team to get him out. I know the US has done this before to get citizens.

The Catholic Church, for all it's failings, has an unimpeachable position on human life we can all respect, if not agree with: "No Abortion, No Execution, No Murder, No Euthenasia, Life is Sacred".

That is when they are not furthering the spread of HIV/AIDS by lying to people about condoms and poking holes in them...

[QUOTE=Zexaland]
I hold dual South African & Australian Citizenship, why?
Like most South Africans? :p
*also does*

That is when they are not furthering the spread of HIV/AIDS by lying to people about condoms and poking holes in them...


Sounds like a new thread topic....

The Catholic Church, for all it's failings, has an unimpeachable position on human life we can all respect, if not agree with: "No Abortion, No Execution, No Murder, No Euthenasia, Life is Sacred".

So too all the Catholics out there, join me in something I haven't done in a long time and light a candle for Van and a candle for his killers.

Word...

Actually not making fun. The guys brother was the reason he was trying to make cash right? What happens to him?
A life racked by guilt...?


I wonder if they considered sending in a team to get him out. I know the US has done this before to get citizens. I would imagine only in fleeting, the reality is it would be a huge can of worms.

Hey guys, Singapore is a dictatorship! They can do whatever the hell they want. And as for this death of this guy... WHEN YOU BRING DRUGS INTO SINGAPORE YOU WILL DIE! This guy knew that, and he suffered the consequenses. This is one of the reasons why Singapore is the MOST effecient country in the world. I have nothing but respect for Singapore.

And why are you getting mad over this now? This isn't the first time this has happened.

That is when they are not furthering the spread of HIV/AIDS by lying to people about condoms and poking holes in them...
In my first post I stipluated "for all it's failings". Let's resist the urge to threadjack for the sake of threadjacking and instead mourn, in your own way, the passing of a life at the hands of killers.

Hey guys, Singapore is a dictatorship! They can do whatever the hell they want. And as for this death of this guy... WHEN YOU BRING DRUGS INTO SINGAPORE YOU WILL DIE! This guy knew that, and he suffered the consequenses. This is one of the reasons why Singapore is the MOST effecient country in the world. I have nothing but respect for Singapore.

And why are you getting mad over this now? This isn't the first time this has happened.
*rolls eyes at the Stalinist kiddie*

And I'm always mad when the death penalty is employed, particularly over something like a drugs offence.

Hey guys, Singapore is a dictatorship! They can do whatever the hell they want. And as for this death of this guy... WHEN YOU BRING DRUGS INTO SINGAPORE YOU WILL DIE! This guy knew that, and he suffered the consequenses. This is one of the reasons why Singapore is the MOST effecient country in the world. I have nothing but respect for Singapore.

And why are you getting mad over this now? This isn't the first time this has happened.
1: I don't perticually like dictatorships
2: He knowingly risked his life in the hopes of making enough money to save his brother's. That's selfless love.
3: How can anyone rejoice in the killing of a human being?
4: It's the first time an Australian Citizen has been killed by Signapore, in my lifetime. Did you expect me to travel back in time and protest?

And in trying to save his brother's life, he's willing to put thousands of others at risk? Let's not forget that his brother's a heroin addict too (which was what got him into this mess in the first place), he had first-hand experience of what addiction could do to a person. I don't support the death penalty either but what seems to me like glorifying and honouring a convicted drug trafficker is a tad too much.

And in trying to save his brother's life, he's willing to put thousands of others at risk? Let's not forget that his brother's a heroin addict too (which was what got him into this mess in the first place), he had first-hand experience of what addiction could do to a person. I don't support the death penalty either but what seems to me like glorifying and honouring a convicted drug trafficker is a tad too much.
A man's dead. Drug trafficker or otherwise.

Not that it matters, but estimate by the Drugs Institute of Australia put the figure at 8 users.

And in trying to save his brother's life, he's willing to put thousands of others at risk? Let's not forget that his brother's a heroin addict too (which was what got him into this mess in the first place), he had first-hand experience of what addiction could do to a person. I don't support the death penalty either but what seems to me like glorifying and honouring a convicted drug trafficker is a tad too much.
i dont think you understand the purpose of lighting a candle and saying a prayer for the dead

Beata Virgo, ora pro nobis.

Sancte Michael, Princeps militiae caelestis, ora pro nobis.

Omnia Angeli et Sancti, ora pro nobis.

Angus Dei, misere nobis.

Requiem aeternam dona ei, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat ei. Requiem in pace. Amen. +

Hey guys, Singapore is a dictatorship! They can do whatever the hell they want. And as for this death of this guy... WHEN YOU BRING DRUGS INTO SINGAPORE YOU WILL DIE! This guy knew that, and he suffered the consequenses. This is one of the reasons why Singapore is the MOST effecient country in the world. I have nothing but respect for Singapore.

Well, I have none...so nyah...

And I thought that the US' drug laws were stupid...

A man's dead. Drug trafficker or otherwise.


Alright, I hope you don't forget those that are suffering from heroin addiction in your prayers too.

In my first post I stipluated "for all it's failings". Let's resist the urge to threadjack for the sake of threadjacking and instead mourn, in your own way, the passing of a life at the hands of killers.

"The Catholic Church, for all it's failings, has an unimpeachable position on human life we can all respect"

How can it be unimpeachable when they spread death thourgh sickness for the sake of their flawed moralism? I do not respect them one bit for it.

Spectacular how a thread whose explicit purpose was to hold a prayer vigil for the soul of a murdered man has become the usual anti-Catholic complaint thread. Way to show respect.:(

Spectacular how a thread whose explicit purpose was to hold a prayer vigil for the soul of a murdered man has become the usual anti-Catholic complaint thread. Way to show respect.:(

I agree, Fass...back down...

Alright, I hope you don't forget those that are suffering from heroin addiction in your prayers too.
I never do

Spectacular how a thread whose explicit purpose was to hold a prayer vigil for the soul of a murdered man has become the usual anti-Catholic complaint thread. Way to show respect.:(

Hey, here's an idea! Stop trying to portray the Catholic church's views on life as "unimpeachable" if you don't want people do call you on it being a load of BS.

"The Catholic Church, for all it's failings, has an unimpeachable position on human life we can all respect"

How can it be unimpeachable when they spread death thourgh sickness for the sake of their flawed moralism? I do not respect them one bit for it.
It is unimpeachable in the sense of consistancy, I've covered this already.

Fass, even you have to realise this isn't appropriate.

Hey, here's an idea! Stop trying to portray the Catholic church's views on life as "unimpeachable" if you don't want people do call you on it being a load of BS.

Rotovia has stated CLEARLY that there are shortcomings when it comes to the Catholic Church, but is attempting to shine some light on the situation. You...you, dear sir, only WANT to look at the negatives, never the positives. You consistently look down upon those who you think are intolerant, when you yourself are not very tolerant. Anyone who even has the slightest showing of religious ideals, and you jump down their throats, just like the people who you are "fighting against".

I'm tired of your sarcasm, I'm tired of your insensitivity, I'm tired of aggression, I'm tired of your hijacking, and I'm tired of your hypocracy.

It takes alot to make me angry. You have crossed that boundary for the last time. I've been too kind. I ask you now...SHUT UP!!!

[QUOTE=Zexaland]
I hold dual South African & Australian Citizenship, why?

Just didn't know is all...

--snip--

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/21491632/672361

You have been duly dismissed, rest assured, a long time before this. Step away from the computer if it actually solicits emotion in you. This is the Internet. One would think you'd know this by now.

Just didn't know is all...
Fair enough :)

Like many Australians I was horrified and disgusted by the exection of Van Nugyen by the Signaporian Government, today. But what did warm my heart, is the site of over one thousands Catholics (who without prior organization) swamped into St Stephens Cathederal to pray for his soul and the souls of theose who murdered him.

The Catholic Church, for all it's failings, has an unimpeachable position on human life we can all respect, if not agree with: "No Abortion, No Execution, No Murder, No Euthenasia, Life is Sacred".

So too all the Catholics out there, join me in something I haven't done in a long time and light a candle for Van and a candle for his killers.

I do not believe that the Catholic church's position on human life is unimpeachable, even in the sense of being consistent; in fact, I find it incredibly hypocritical and offensive. That said, even the Catholics can't be wrong about everything, and they are correct in that this was a wrongful sentence that should be protested. Although I don't think the man should be glorified given that he was a drug trafficker (regardless of his reasons), the punishment he was given was cruel, unnecessary, and did not fit the crime committed.

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/21491632/672361

You have been duly dismissed, rest assured, a long time before this. Step away from the computer if it actually solicits emotion in you. This is the Internet. One would think you'd know this by now.

Aren't you special...

Words...words dear fellow. Words solicit an emotional reponse from any medium, from televsion to newspaper to magazine to radio to internet.

Aren't you special...

Words...words dear fellow. Words solicit an emotional reponse from any medium, from televsion to newspaper to magazine to radio to internet.

There's another pic to suit this: http://www.nessitopia.com/images/realwords.JPG

Get some perspective, please.

There's another pic to suit this: http://www.nessitopia.com/images/realwords.JPG

Get some perspective, please.
Stop fucking threadjacking!

I do not believe that the Catholic church's position on human life is unimpeachable, even in the sense of being consistent; in fact, I find it incredibly hypocritical and offensive.
Name one instance in which the Second Vatican Holy Roman Catholic Church has condoned the taking of life...?

There's another pic to suit this: http://www.nessitopia.com/images/realwords.JPG

Get some perspective, please.

I'm in no mood to argue with you. I have realized it is moot anyway...

Know this, I hold no grudges. I believe in forgive and forget. Whatever wrong you may have done to me (even if you do not believe so) I do not care. Forgiveness...THAT is what my faith has given me...

Have a nice evening sir.

Stop fucking threadjacking!

Sorry. I'll leave this thread now. But, really, did you truly suspect that your claims of "unimpeachable record on life" by the Catholic church would go uncommented? You may as well start a thread about Communism, and for all its failings, it having an "unimpeachable record on democracy" and not be expecting someone to call you on it.

First off, I am not getting into the Catholic debate that has seemed to have hijacked this forum even though my people were persecuted by them and blamed for the Holocaust. But I wouldn't touch that matter.

I do not believe that the Catholic church's position on human life is unimpeachable, even in the sense of being consistent; in fact, I find it incredibly hypocritical and offensive. That said, even the Catholics can't be wrong about everything, and they are correct in that this was a wrongful sentence that should be protested. Although I don't think the man should be glorified given that he was a drug trafficker (regardless of his reasons), the punishment he was given was cruel, unnecessary, and did not fit the crime committed.

Did not fit the crime?

The guy was a drug dealer even if his brother had problems with loan sharks. Thus that give them the right to screw up the lives of many more people because of their problems. Are you trying to say that his life was more important than the people who were going to get addicted to the drug that he dealt to him.

I am all against the death penalty, but like I posted on the other thread, he got what every Singaporean who is a drug smuggler got. To you it might not have been worth it but to Singapore which has the lowest drug smuggling rate in the world the death penalty is needed so you cannot invade the Singaporean sovereignty.

Also, the man had 400 grams of heroin so I think it was more than 8 uses. Just propaganda for his side!

Sorry. I'll leave this thread now. But, really, did you truly suspect that your claims of "unimpeachable record on life" by the Catholic church would go uncommented? You may as well start a thread about Communism, and for all its failings, it having an "unimpeachable record on democracy" and not expecting someone to call you on it.

Seriously as I said earlier in this thread. I would think this would make a good "new" thread topic. You should post it...

Have a nice evening sir.

Likewise, although it is morning here. (http://www.worldtimezone.com/) And do realise that I do not hold a grudge, either, not because of some "faith," but because this is the Internet.

Sorry. I'll leave this thread now. But, really, did you truly suspect that your claims of "unimpeachable record on life" by the Catholic church would go uncommented? You may as well start a thread about Communism, and for all its failings, it having an "unimpeachable record on democracy" and not expecting someone to call you on it.
I used too strong a word, "consistent", would have been more appropriate. But the point remains that Catholics gathered en masse because The Church hates murder.

Anyway, thank you for practising restraint

*passes out*

I don't think I should've acted the way I did. It's just that I get so worked up...

*sigh*

Name one instance in which the Second Vatican Holy Roman Catholic Church has condoned the taking of life...?
Banning AIDS carriers from wearing condoms.

Banning AIDS carriers from wearing condoms.

Misguided? Yes. Unwise? Definately.

But I think they're only doing what they think is right, even if I disagree with their stance.

Banning AIDS carriers from wearing condoms.
The point is moot, AIDs cariers are banned from having sex

First off, I am not getting into the Catholic debate that has seemed to have hijacked this forum even though my people were persecuted by them and blamed for the Holocaust. But I wouldn't touch that matter.

Did not fit the crime?

The guy was a drug dealer even if his brother had problems with loan sharks. Thus that give them the right to screw up the lives of many more people because of their problems. Are you trying to say that his life was more important than the people who were going to get addicted to the drug that he dealt to him.

I am all against the death penalty, but like I posted on the other thread, he got what every Singaporean who is a drug smuggler got. To you it might not have been worth it but to Singapore which has the lowest drug smuggling rate in the world the death penalty is needed so you cannot invade the Singaporean sovereignty.

Also, the man had 400 grams of heroin so I think it was more than 8 uses. Just propaganda for his side!

I am saying that drug trafficking is not a crime I believe to be worthy of the death penalty. It's really that simple. I don't care if he was carrying 400 tons of heroin. I am not saying that I think drug trafficking is a good thing, either, because it helps people destroy their own lives and the lives of their families through addiction; if the man were to have spent the rest of his life in prison, you wouldn't have heard me complaining, but the death penalty should be reserved for cold-blooded killers only.

Misguided? Yes. Unwise? Definately.

But I think they're only doing what they think is right, even if I disagree with their stance.
And if such a policy condemns even more people to death, I consider it to be in direct opposition to any policy concerning "the sanctity of life". That is all.

the death penalty should be reserved for cold-blooded killers only.
Like executioners?

I am saying that drug trafficking is not a crime I believe to be worthy of the death penalty. It's really that simple. I don't care if he was carrying 400 tons of heroin. I am not saying that I think drug trafficking is a good thing, either, because it helps people destroy their own lives and the lives of their families through addiction; if the man were to have spent the rest of his life in prison, you wouldn't have heard me complaining, but the death penalty should be reserved for cold-blooded killers only.

Personally, I don't look a execution as appropriate except in situations of combat. I.E. We see Osama Bin Laden on the hillside and we decide to kill him rather than risk capturing him.

The point is moot, AIDs cariers are banned from having sex
The point is not moot. Their policy has lead to thousands of needless deaths. I find it offensive. I find any implications that Catholics value the sanctity of life more than anyone else both offensive and wrong.

I am not a member of the cathlic church but iam a christian. it would be my honor to keep this mans family and country in my prayers.

PATER NOSTER, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen

Like executioners?
bu then what happens to the executioners executioners?????:confused:

Like executioners?
Uh, no, seeing as they are performing a duty for the state, I would consider them exempt, as it is a job which is necessary for society's proper function.

bu then what happens to the executioners executioners?????:confused:

That's most likely lost in paperwork...

The point is not moot. Their policy has lead to thousands of needless deaths. I find it offensive. I find any implications that Catholics value the sanctity of life more than anyone else both offensive and wrong.
How does someone catch AIDs through sex if they're not having sex?

Personally, I don't look a execution as appropriate except in situations of combat. I.E. We see Osama Bin Laden on the hillside and we decide to kill him rather than risk capturing him.
I would prefer to steer this back on topic, as it seems to now be focused on my own views on the death penalty and Catholicism, when it should be about a man who was wrongfully murdered. I'd be glad to debate you any time on the subject in an appropriate topic, however, and the same goes for the Catholic stuff.

Executioners are not murderers. Therefore, the Australian executed weas not murdered he was executed.

If he was murdered, than every man and woman executed in America was murdered.

If you do not believe this than all your ideology is moot.

How does someone catch AIDs through sex if they're not having sex?

None...

Sex is the most common medium for passing AIDS. However, there are other ways. CSI featured a criminal who got HIV from blood splatter to the eyes.

"No Abortion, No Execution, No Murder, No Euthenasia, Life is Sacred".
Okay, I'm going to say right off the bat that I read maybe half of the first page of replies. So, don't bitch at me if I repeat something someone else has already said.
It seems to me that this was a thread about honoring a man who was executed, not an attempt to spread Catholic morals, and certainly not about abortion. That is all.

To the point at hand.

The man who was killed in Singapore was not murdered, he was executed. If someone believes he was murdered, than everyone who was executed in America through the whole time was murdered.

If this is not the case and you can only think that the Singapore case is 'murder' than you are displaying a form of racism even discreetly that maybe you dont even know about.

And that is simply that; if a man or woman can be executed in America and it is not considered murder, and you come to another country that does not have the same culture or 'skin-colour' and call that countries way of justice murder that is 'racism' at a discreet level you might not even realize it. But it is still racism.

I would prefer to steer this back on topic, as it seems to now be focused on my own views on the death penalty and Catholicism, when it should be about a man who was wrongfully murdered. I'd be glad to debate you any time on the subject in an appropriate topic, however, and the same goes for the Catholic stuff.
i dont think the topic IS the righteousness of the sentence but to mourn his death, right or wrong.

may he rest in peace.

i dont think the topic IS the righteousness of the sentence but to mourn his death, right or wrong.

may he rest in peace.

Well spoken.

Just to start off I feel sorry for the guy but what he did was incredibly stupid. Hopefully Singapore returns the body.

A few things on the other replys in the thread. To say the least Rot's original statement of the catholic being unimpeachable on certain issues is just a little bit much. Its done some good and some bad but really what hasn't. I'd suggest taking the posters advice who said to start another thread Fass.


The point is moot, AIDs cariers are banned from having sex
Also are there really laws that ban aids carriers from having sex?

i dont think the topic IS the righteousness of the sentence but to mourn his death, right or wrong.

may he rest in peace.
Oh, feh, to hell with that, then. I'm not going to mourn him. I think there are a few hundred thousand dead people in Sudan who are more worthy of being mourned. I'll only go so far as to protest that he shouldn't have died.

...then everyone who was executed in America through the whole time was murdered.
Yes, they were, sadly.

Oh, feh, to hell with that, then. I'm not going to mourn him. I think there are a few hundred thousand dead people in Sudan who are more worthy of being mourned. I'll only go so far as to protest that he shouldn't have died.

It's been said that one death is a tragedy, 1 million are a statistic.

I do not agree. I see Nguyen's death as meaningless. I each and every one of the deaths from the Sudan genocides to be equally meaningless.

And with that, I need some rest...

Uh, no, seeing as they are performing a duty for the state, I would consider them exempt, as it is a job which is necessary for society's proper function.
The South African Government used to say it was ok to kill kaffers. Know any black people...?

Oh, feh, to hell with that, then. I'm not going to mourn him. I think there are a few hundred thousand dead people in Sudan who are more worthy of being mourned. I'll only go so far as to protest that he shouldn't have died.
Right. Because we should start weighing the value of life now?

I'm an atheist, so I can't say I will pray for Nguyen Tuong Van, but I was certainly thinking of him at 9am this morning when he was hanged. It still weighs heavily on my mind now.

I know that he was a convicted drug smuggler, I know that his actions had the potential to harm many others & I know that Singapore has a mandatory death sentence for drug smuggling, but I don't believe that he should have been killed.

I don't beleive in the death penalty in any nation, whether it is an asian, black or anglo country. The death penaly cheapens life for us all.

What has been acheived by killing this man, apart from devastating his family, particularly his mother & brother, and his friends?

I'm an atheist, so I can't say I will pray for Nguyen Tuong Van, but I was certainly thinking of him at 9am this morning when he was hanged. It still weighs heavily on my mind now.

I know that he was a convicted drug smuggler, I know that his actions had the potential to harm many others & I know that Singapore has a mandatory death sentence for drug smuggling, but I don't believe that he should have been killed.

I don't beleive in the death penalty in any nation, whether it is an asian, black or anglo country. The death penaly cheapens life for us all.

What has been acheived by killing this man, apart from devastating his family, particularly his mother & brother, and his friends?
I actually cired when I heard he had been killed. Yes, I cried over one life. One life I had, in my own perhaps insignificant way, tried to save.

I may be a terrible Catholic, but I know there's something wrong with any country that sanctions murder.

Alright, I hope you don't forget those that are suffering from heroin addiction in your prayers too.

If people would more safely use heroin they would be far less likely to get addicted, no one gets addicted to opioids after one or two useages.


To the point at hand.

The man who was killed in Singapore was not murdered, he was executed. If someone believes he was murdered, than everyone who was executed in America through the whole time was murdered.

If this is not the case and you can only think that the Singapore case is 'murder' than you are displaying a form of racism even discreetly that maybe you dont even know about.

And that is simply that; if a man or woman can be executed in America and it is not considered murder, and you come to another country that does not have the same culture or 'skin-colour' and call that countries way of justice murder that is 'racism' at a discreet level you might not even realize it. But it is still racism.

All execution is murder.

i dont think the topic IS the righteousness of the sentence but to mourn his death, right or wrong.
may he rest in peace.

Again, agreed, and well said.