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Alright, with my 60-something post wisdom, I haven't seen anything on a potiental draft in the US.

Understanding its a common fact that troop recruitments are at record lows, and Iraq has to be finished. I say this not because I support the war, but because I don't support creating a new terrorist state, this time with a shitload of oil to fund themselves, rather than heroin (sorry for the stereotype- seeing as I'm not a government agent, thats about all I could come up with, and apparently the most commonley known.)

So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draft?

#1. There will not be a draft. Politicly, it would be suicide.

#2. I would take full advantage of my dual citizenship. :D

join the army.

Well if you guys had a draft, I suppose I'd do the same thing my parents did back during Vietnam:

Help the dodgers get here (to Canada).

Alright, with my 60-something post wisdom, I haven't seen anything on a potiental draft in the US.

Understanding its a common fact that troop recruitments are at record lows, and Iraq has to be finished. I say this not because I support the war, but because I don't support creating a new terrorist state, this time with a shitload of oil to fund themselves, rather than heroin (sorry for the stereotype- seeing as I'm not a government agent, thats about all I could come up with, and apparently the most commonley known.)

So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draft?
I would expadite plans on looking for a job in canada, they have some great job opertunities anyways.

Though already needing major knee surgury and a few other quirks would usualy disqualify me from normal service (so I have been told)

I would love to work up in canada anyways, I just dont feel like leaving my family if I can work down here

#1. There will not be a draft. Politicly, it would be suicide.

#2. I would take full advantage of my dual citizenship. :Ddo you mean flee the country? As just claiming another nationality doesn't protect you at all. At least that's what it says in Passport on page 2 (note 5).

Wear pink and talk with high pitched lisp?

I'd probably go help Dobbsworld help me escape. If that makes any sense.
Government enforced slavery is still slavery, even if they try and confuse the issue with crap about equality and equal chances.

#1. There will not be a draft. Politicly, it would be suicide.

#2. I would take full advantage of my dual citizenship. :D

I agree, it would be political suicide. But, I also think that our dear executive officer has really screwed shit up. I mean think about it. Not only are we gonna have to pay for this war, our kids and grandkids will too.

Like I said before, if we pull out now, we essentially turn Iraq into a terrorist state; there's no way the current Iraqi government could uphold itself. That's why I'd stay in it.

Realistically, I think there would have to be a draft for America to win, and even then its a long shot...

If I were drafted, I'd just team kill until I got banned from the server.

#1. There will not be a draft. Politicly, it would be suicide.
I agree...but then again, Bush doesn't have anything to lose other than the war in Iraq.
If it became a military necessity, do you think they wouldn't do it?

I did not think of the easy way

Just tell them I am bisexual (which I am)

Pretty simple
Hell if they want some video evidence I could even provide it:p

They apparently dont want my kind anyways

Errr..


Race you to Canada?

Alright, with my 60-something post wisdom, I haven't seen anything on a potiental draft in the US.

Understanding its a common fact that troop recruitments are at record lows, and Iraq has to be finished. I say this not because I support the war, but because I don't support creating a new terrorist state, this time with a shitload of oil to fund themselves, rather than heroin (sorry for the stereotype- seeing as I'm not a government agent, thats about all I could come up with, and apparently the most commonley known.)

So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draft?

Really give the board a hard time as I'm already in the Army.

Well, if I lived in the US, just tell them I'm gay or something. I'm pretty much bisexual anyway, so gay would 'seal the deal', as it were.

Well I guess you have an advantage. My problem is that I'm a pretty good athlete, a decent shot (3'X5' target from 200 yards), and decent with electronics. I think their only problem with me would be that I have different herbal beliefs than them, but they would try and stomp that out of me...
they did it to my uncle in 'Nam.

Well, if I lived in the US, just tell them I'm gay or something. I'm pretty much bisexual anyway, so gay would 'seal the deal', as it were.
I am as well ... I wonder if they have official pollicies on bisexuals

I think we just get auto classified as gay

They seem to think in binary anyways I am sure they will look at any guys that like guys even part time as icky and undesired

Really give the board a hard time as I'm already in the Army.

What do you mean by that?

I'd be more openly bisexual than I already am, if that's even possible. Or just flee to Bonaire, Netherlands Antilles and mooch off my former bio teacher and scuba dive until the heat lets up.

Step 1: Apply to West Point (they WANT me to go!)
Step 2: Major in physics (as otherwise planned)
Step 3: Complete my military service working at DARPA.
Step 4: Design super weapons that enable the US to win the war easily, thereby ending the draft and letting me do some pure science. Also it lets you guys get back to your lives.

Yes, if the draft came, I WOULD join the military. But after a few years at West Point, I think the Army would decide to send me to the Pentagon, not the front. I would serve my country WITHOUT putting my life on the line. Besides, I probably could do more good at DARPA than in actual combat.

What do you mean by that?
that its really hard to draft someone when they are alread in the army

What do you mean by that?

If the draft board sent me a notice that I was being drafted, I would make sure to question thier competance due to the fact that I'm already in the Army Reserves.

OTOH, there won't be a draft. While recruitment numbers are down, reenlistment numbers are very high.

If we ever get to the point where we have to have another draft, things will be so obviously at a crisis that few will try to evade.

On a related note ... if they get to the point where they send me a recall letter? Run! :D

Join the army as support - working with computers, not guns

that its really hard to draft someone when they are alread in the army

Yea...I guess maybe you're an exception?

Alright you bisexuals; assuming they won't take that excuse, or maybe make an all gay brigade or something. Then what?

Just show up at the Draft Board all twitchy, clutching at your johnson and pretend to masturbate when someone's looking, but let 'em think you don't know they're around. Bonus points for wearing pants crusted liberally with dried semen.

Alright you bisexuals; assuming they won't take that excuse, or maybe make an all gay brigade or something. Then what?
Well, I would be a girl. So no fighting. Excellent.

If they still don't take that then I'd join the race to Canada.

But all this is irrelevent...I live in Northern Ireland, where there has never been conscription for anything.

If the draft board sent me a notice that I was being drafted, I would make sure to question thier competance due to the fact that I'm already in the Army Reserves.

OTOH, there won't be a draft. While recruitment numbers are down, reenlistment numbers are very high.

Yes, but you can't reenlist more people that were already enlisted can you? I'll see if I can find some information on it, but I think that the army is losing more people than its signing or resigning.

^Don't quote me on that though.

Well, I would be a girl. So no fighting. Excellent.

If they still don't take that then I'd join the race to Canada.

But all this is irrelevent...I live in Northern Ireland, where there has never been conscription for anything.

Lucky you...

I'm disabled and too old to be drafted. It wouldn't affect me. I'd hate to see my younger friends go, but I wouldn't stop them, I wouldn't have the right to do that.

If we ever get to the point where we have to have another draft, things will be so obviously at a crisis that few will try to evade.

On a related note ... if they get to the point where they send me a recall letter? Run! :D
Well if we were fighting for the existance of my family ... fuck yeah I would stay to help my family
Hopefully they would use my real skills with computer security and such
If we were in that sort of bad way I would

Though as professor at a univ (part time now) I have a feeling I would not be drafted early :)

Yea...I guess maybe you're an exception?

Alright you bisexuals; assuming they won't take that excuse, or maybe make an all gay brigade or something. Then what?
Im an exception to what?

I agree...but then again, Bush doesn't have anything to lose other than the war in Iraq.
If it became a military necessity, do you think they wouldn't do it?

But a draft can't happen on just an Executive Order. It needs to pass both houses.

Which will not happen, if those congressmen want to have any chance of getting reelected.

But a draft can't happen on just an Executive Order. It needs to pass both houses.

Which will not happen, if those congressmen want to have any chance of getting reelected.
I would not vote for ANYONE that voted for inacting the draft unless the survival of the US was at stake

I would not vote for ANYONE that voted for inacting the draft unless the survival of the US was at stake
And I have a feeling that the vast majority of americans, even the more conservative ones, would agree with you.

And I have a feeling that the vast majority of americans, even the more conservative ones, would agree with you.
I know my dad would agree and he uses liberal as a curseword:p

He got drafted and lost his place at a univ during vietnam ... while he is hardcore repub he absolutly hated the draft for an offensive war such as that

Yes, but you can't reenlist more people that were already enlisted can you? I'll see if I can find some information on it, but I think that the army is losing more people than its signing or resigning.

^Don't quote me on that though.

http://www.dailyfreepress.com/media/paper87/news/2003/09/19/News/Army-Enlistment.Down-470697.shtml

Ok according to this, they fell short by about 25% that year, but it may be a cyclical system.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/29/army.recruiting/

These here say that the army's coming short of their goals, even after they lower their goals.

"Even after the service lowered its target for May from 8,050 to 6,700 enlistments, the final figure was 1,700 short.

Also falling behind their goals are the National Guard and Reserve components."

I'd join the navy before the draft was brought into effect.

If it was too late, and there was no way I could legally get out of it, I'd accept it as my duty. I'm not the type to abandon my country and run to Canada.

Keep in mind (not the OP here) but this was all hypothetical, what would you do IF there was a draft. Now, I have two things I didn't put in. One, I am flat footed, and I don't think they take flat-footed people, and two, if I was taken, I'd prefer to be put to help with communications (what with working and hoping to become a sound engineer).

Keep in mind (not the OP here) but this was all hypothetical, what would you do IF there was a draft. Now, I have two things I didn't put in. One, I am flat footed, and I don't think they take flat-footed people, and two, if I was taken, I'd prefer to be put to help with communications (what with working and hoping to become a sound engineer).

The foot thing isn't a disqualifier any more IIRC. Boots come w/ arch support.

Keep in mind (not the OP here) but this was all hypothetical, what would you do IF there was a draft. Now, I have two things I didn't put in. One, I am flat footed, and I don't think they take flat-footed people, and two, if I was taken, I'd prefer to be put to help with communications (what with working and hoping to become a sound engineer).

Thank you Tex...I think we were.

Now, to get back on track; yes this is if on the slim chance one happened to go through, what would you do.

http://www.dailyfreepress.com/media/paper87/news/2003/09/19/News/Army-Enlistment.Down-470697.shtml

Ok according to this, they fell short by about 25% that year, but it may be a cyclical system.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/29/army.recruiting/

These here say that the army's coming short of their goals, even after they lower their goals.

"Even after the service lowered its target for May from 8,050 to 6,700 enlistments, the final figure was 1,700 short.

Also falling behind their goals are the National Guard and Reserve components."


I know about new enlistments. The figures don't account for re-enlistments though.

I'd join the Coast Guard to avoid getting drafted.

If that didn't work, I'd join the navy (the insurgents don't have one)

If that failed, I'd join the air force.

If that failed, I'd fake being gay.

And if I got drafted anyway, I'd try to get my legs broken or something so I'd be crippled.

This is all in a hypothetical draft for the Iraq war, though. My plans would be entirely different in different circumstances.

Also, if the draft is the lottery system, and you get picked, there is a very good chance you get sent to the front.

I'd join the Coast Guard to avoid getting drafted.

If that didn't work, I'd join the navy (the insurgents don't have one)

If that failed, I'd join the air force.

If that failed, I'd fake being gay.

And if I got drafted anyway, I'd try to get my legs broken or something so I'd be crippled.

This is all in a hypothetical draft for the Iraq war, though. My plans would be entirely different in different circumstances.

What kind of circumstances?

I would not vote for ANYONE that voted for inacting the draft unless the survival of the US was at stake
If a nation's people don't feel the need to give their lives to defend it of their own volition, then that nation no longer deserves to exist.

I'd join the navy before the draft was brought into effect.

If it was too late, and there was no way I could legally get out of it, I'd accept it as my duty. I'm not the type to abandon my country and run to Canada.
I was not talking about doging when my draft order came in
I have been planning to move up there anyways

I would just make sure that happened before my millitary service

Thats assuming they wanted bad kneed flat footed bisexual adjunct professors anyways

If a nation's people don't feel the need to give their lives to defend it of their own volition, then that nation no longer deserves to exist.
Yes ... if it was survival (of the nation)we were talking about in this case my opinions would be much different

but it hardly matters anyways I dont particularly want them and they dont particularly want me

Who here is actually of qualifying draft age (I think 18-26, maybe 30)?

There isn't going to be a draft because these issues are cyclical. The Iraq War probably doesn't have anywhere near as big an effect as the strong economy does. Job growth is increasingly stronger (especially for recent college grads/18-21 year olds), which is pulling more and more people away from the military; similar things occured during the 1990's.

What kind of circumstances?

If we were invaded or another country declared war on us. Say China, for example, declared war on the US, and began attacking us, and was going to invade (not likely, but it's an example). In this instance, I'd have no problem with being in the military, though I'd probably join the Navy.

And I know people are going to say "We were attacked on 9/11," however, it was 19 terrorists, most of them Saudi Arabians, who attacked us, not the government or nation of Iraq.

Anyway, I would not serve in the military for the current war. Oh, and I'm 18 by the way.

Well if we were fighting for the existance of my family ... fuck yeah I would stay to help my family
Hopefully they would use my real skills with computer security and such
If we were in that sort of bad way I would

Though as professor at a univ (part time now) I have a feeling I would not be drafted early :)
Heh! Lucky you, eh?

That situation would probably be the only one where a draft would be tolerated. I shudder to think. :(

Who here is actually of qualifying draft age (I think 18-26, maybe 30)?
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So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draft?

Burn Draft-cards or whatever the modern equivalent is that I can burn in public protest? Obviously I would refuse to serve, but I would stay in country and do whatever jail-time was required for refusing the draft (after all, there's no stronger protest than accepting the consequences for your actions against injustice).

I'd probably assist Dobbs in getting people who wanted to dodge the draft across the border (from this side) as well.

I really disagree. I think its sort of a Titanic-like situation. All of you say "Its never gonna happen." They said that about the "unsinkable ship," too...

This is a hypothetical situation.

My reliigon is my escape. In Buddhism, the First Precept is "I undertake the precept to refrain from destroying living creatures." Humans are living creatures, ergo, anything I do to help kill them is immoral to me. Hence, military service is kinda out. I'd fail basic training anyway (although I'm good with a rifle).

My reliigon is my escape. In Buddhism, the First Precept is "I undertake the precept to refrain from destroying living creatures." Humans are living creatures, ergo, anything I do to help kill them is immoral to me.
So if the US were attacked by a Zombie Legion, and you were drafted, would you serve?

This is a hypothetical situation.

My reliigon is my escape. In Buddhism, the First Precept is "I undertake the precept to refrain from destroying living creatures." Humans are living creatures, ergo, anything I do to help kill them is immoral to me. Hence, military service is kinda out. I'd fail basic training anyway (although I'm good with a rifle).
Had a fantastic Medic in one of my units in Vietnam. Volunteered to go, but wouldn't carry a weapon. One of the bravest men I ever met.

He was Buddist.

This is a hypothetical situation.

My reliigon is my escape. In Buddhism, the First Precept is "I undertake the precept to refrain from destroying living creatures." Humans are living creatures, ergo, anything I do to help kill them is immoral to me. Hence, military service is kinda out. I'd fail basic training anyway (although I'm good with a rifle).

You've gotta be wicked out of shape to fail basic...They start you slow enough to build some strength, then after you clear medical you get your ass worked.

Once you clear medical theres almost no going back.

Had a fantastic Medic in one of my units in Vietnam. Volunteered to go, but wouldn't carry a weapon. One of the bravest men I ever met.

He was Buddist.

You were in Vietnam?
My hat comes off to you...and for now stays off.

My father (yes he's old) and uncle caught the tail end of that war...

If you don't mind me asking, where did you end up and what kind of fighting did you see over there?

In fact, I know what I would do; I would sing

"You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant"

Because you know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.

And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it

I'm not in the US, but if I was I'd dodge, protest like all hell and fuck shit up.

In fact, I know what I would do; I would sing

"You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant"

Because you know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it

I was honestly waiting for someone to say that.
However value-less the "cool point" system is to you, that is worth about 250,000 right there. (My system is that if you get to 500,000, you get a free pizza party of favor of equal value)

I was honestly waiting for someone to say that.
However value-less the "cool point" system is to you, that is worth about 250,000 right there. (My system is that if you get to 500,000, you get a free pizza party of favor of equal value)


:D

Sorry, already did my service in the Army infantry...

You were in Vietnam?
My hat comes off to you...and for now stays off.

My father (yes he's old) and uncle caught the tail end of that war...

If you don't mind me asking, where did you end up and what kind of fighting did you see over there?
I arrived in-country SEP67, a brand new 2LT, was given command of a counterinsurgency team ( it fit with both my civlian and military training ), and spent 15 months with them, moving from Bien Hoa to Song Be to Phouc Vinh. I left that unit a Captain, having spent one year as a 2LT and one year as a 1LT. I also got serveral awards, including two Bronze Stars. I loved the job ... best one I ever held. :)

After 30 days leave Stateside, I took over command of a Company of the 173rd Airborne Brigade ( Separate ) at Ahn Khe, later moving to Phan Tiet. I left Vietnam for the last time SEP69, returning Stateside as an Instructor at the JFK Special Warfare Center, Fort Bragg, NC.

How's that? :)

I'll tell them that they don't want the truth, because deep down, in places they don't talk about at parties, they want me on that wall. They need me on that wall. I'll tell them that I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to men who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it.
:D

Yea...well maybe if you're too old for the draft, wouldn't it suck to have your kids taken to war?

I would go back in. For those who say they would dodge the draft, protest, run like a girl for the border. Who do you think you owe your freedom too? A bunch of pacifist blowhards?

I arrived in-country SEP67, a brand new 2LT, was given command of a counterinsurgency team ( it fit with both my civlian and military training ), and spent 15 months with them, moving from Bien Hoa to Song Be to Phouc Vinh. I left that unit a Captain, having spent one year as a 2LT and one year as a 1LT. I also got serveral awards, including two Bronze Stars. I loved the job ... best one I ever held. :)

After 30 days leave Stateside, I took over command of a Company of the 173rd Airborne Brigade ( Separate ) at Ahn Khe, later moving to Phan Tiet. I left Vietnam for the last time SEP69, returning Stateside as an Instructor at the JFK Special Warfare Center, Fort Bragg, NC.

How's that? :)

Assuming you're familiar with the cool-point system, thats worth a lifetime of pizza free. I'll even make it more than one topping.

So you were an officer?
My respect has gone up even more. While I'm sure being a gi sucked, having to actually decide what and where must have been a true bitch.

I would go back in. For those who say they would dodge the draft, protest, run like a girl for the border. Who do you think you owe your freedom too? A bunch of pacifist blowhards?

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with my freedom. I owe my freedom to people who waged a guerilla war against an occupying army.

Yea...well maybe if you're too old for the draft, wouldn't it suck to have your kids taken to war?
Both of my sons had the option to join the military. One of them went into the National Guard, but had to get out when they found he had a problem with his joints ( not the ones you smoke! the ones in his body! :p )

They're both too old now, as are all three of my girls. My oldest grandaughter is now 15. If she elects to go into the military, I would be surprised but supportive. If she doesn't elect to go into the military, I will be supportive. It's highly unlikely the US will ever draft women.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with my freedom. I owe my freedom to people who waged a guerilla war against an occupying army.
That's one of the most myopic views of history I have ever heard.

I would go back in. For those who say they would dodge the draft, protest, run like a girl for the border. Who do you think you owe your freedom too? A bunch of pacifist blowhards?

How exactly is the current war, which i do believe the op was talking about, related to American freedom? And try not to give me the rehashed 60's red scare propoganda. Its tired, its worn, and definitely not valid.

Id rather go to Canada or sit in jail then die for Bush.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with my freedom. I owe my freedom to people who waged a guerilla war against an occupying army.
Exactly. Freedom and fighting for the state have very little to do with one another.

Yeah...Well idk; not to be stereotypical, but for a few days every month, that would be a one-femal wrecking crew of a soldier ;) . I heard of one woman soldier in Iraq that got up on a .50 and mowed down six or seven iraqi gunmen, saving nine or ten guys. I'm pretty sure she got at least a bronze or silver star for that.

How exactly is the current war, which i do believe the op was talking about, related to American freedom? And try not to give me the rehashed 60's red scare propoganda. Its tired, its worn, and definitely not valid.

You as a citizen do not get the option to pick the wars you want to fight. If they have a national draft and you get picked. Guess what, you serve or should serve jail time. However you agree with the said war.

Assuming you're familiar with the cool-point system, thats worth a lifetime of pizza free. I'll even make it more than one topping.

So you were an officer?
My respect has gone up even more. While I'm sure being a gi sucked, having to actually decide what and where must have been a true bitch.
Sometimes.

Yes, I was an officer. I went from Basic to Advanced Individual Training to Officer Candidate School to Airborne School to Counterinsurgency Operations School, then was attached to the 1ST Special Forces Group, Okinawa, for six months before I volunteered for Vietnam.

Id rather go to Canada or sit in jail then die for Bush.

Yes, Canada>Bush most definately. However, don't try and tell me that Bush is just as bad as those guys.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with my freedom. I owe my freedom to people who waged a guerilla war against an occupying army.

If you are from the US that isnt true. The states formally declared themselves independent. Had a nice signing ceremony and all. They officially had a governing body. They officially by decree of that governing body raised the continental army. Which by those days standards fought as a regular army. They may have used guerilla tactics. Although it was a regular army with a command structure that was clear.

Yeah...Well idk; not to be stereotypical, but for a few days every month, that would be a one-femal wrecking crew of a soldier ;) . I heard of one woman soldier in Iraq that got up on a .50 and mowed down six or seven iraqi gunmen, saving nine or ten guys. I'm pretty sure she got at least a bronze or silver star for that.
God, I love women who can kick ass! :D

Frankly it Doesn't matter if there is a draft to me. Either way I'm going to be a US Marine. As an officer or as an enlisted person. At the moment it seems as if the officer is the most likely.

You as a citizen do not get the option to pick the wars you want to fight. If they have a national draft and you get picked. Guess what, you serve or should serve jail time. However you agree with the said war.
One of the reasons why I'm an anarchist.

I never said it was.

And I think I would just serve after reading most of this.
I just wanted to know about other people.

Now, marrakech, what would you do?

I would probably go back in. I am a veteran of Gulf War I. Was up to rank of Sgt. when I got out. Would most likely want to go back into armored. Most likely they would put me there....

Frankly it Doesn't matter if there is a draft to me. Either way I'm going to be a US Marine. As an officer or as an enlisted person. At the moment it seems as if the officer is the most likely.

Congrats!

I am no longer desired material. Besides if they wanted me; things would be really screwed! :p

One of the reasons why I'm an anarchist.
Anarchy is just a dictatorship waiting to happen.

:mp5: Anarchy = Bad...:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
You have anarchy, you get more :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper:

Wow this was my one hundredth post...Happy post-thing to me?

If you are from the US that isnt true. The states formally declared themselves independent. Had a nice signing ceremony and all. They officially had a governing body. They officially by decree of that governing body raised the continental army. Which by those days standards fought as a regular army. They may have used guerilla tactics. Although it was a regular army with a command structure that was clear.


A large part of the War was fought long before there was a government, or even an official document of seperation (if the blatant propoganda that was the Declaration of Independance really can be considered that). They were guerilla radicals fighting for an ideal.

That said... Most revolutions are fought that way. *shrug*

I'm going to be a US Marine. As an officer or as an enlisted person. At the moment it seems as if the officer is the most likely.
Go for it! Just try to remember when you're going through training that many, many before you have made it, and if you give it your best, so will you. :)

Go for it! Just try to remember when you're going through training that many, many before you have made it, and if you give it your best, so will you. :)

Just out of curiosity Eutrusca, what type of grades do you need to be an officer?

Not that I'm considering it but....idk:rolleyes:

I would go back in. For those who say they would dodge the draft, protest, run like a girl for the border. Who do you think you owe your freedom too? A bunch of pacifist blowhards?
My freedom is hardly preserved by submitting to a system wherein I admit that the government know more about what battles I should be fighting then I do. If I felt the need to defend, then I'd leap to the fore and do what I could, but I'll be damned if I let some shit-head* who won the world's biggest popularity contest decide that their cause is worth my death.

*This refers to any and all elected representatives, not just any particular past, current, or potential ones.

You as a citizen do not get the option to pick the wars you want to fight. If they have a national draft and you get picked. Guess what, you serve or should serve jail time. However you agree with the said war.

Poor attempt at switching topics. You earlier used the argument of "who do you owe your freedom to". I pointed out that according to the op, such an argument is completely irrelevant and thus, has no value whatsoever in the proposed scenario to make it worth consideration. The debt of freedom, to which you used to rant against pacifists, simply does not apply in this case.

That's one of the most myopic views of history I have ever heard.

Oh? How so? Are you trying to claim that the American revolutionaries did not use guerilla war tactics against the British army? If we'd faced them on their terms, we would have lost. We fought them in regular battles sometimes, but a large part of our victory was not due to winning battles and taking ground, but inflicting enough casualties that they reconsidered whether keeping the colonies was worth the amount of lives and money it would cost.

The war in Iraq has nothing at all to do with my freedom, or that of any other American. Iraq didn't attack the US, and posed no threat to our freedoms. How American freedoms would be at all adversely affected by not going to war in Iraq has yet to be proven to me.

Oh, and Eut, on a less serious note, why did you leave FRoDR? It's incredibly lame to leave our region. Really, that's just not cool.

Anarchy is just a dictatorship waiting to happen.
Why, because you say so?

Anarcho-communism has the most safeguards in place to prevent dictatorship. The people are empowered, equal and all involved in governing themselves and the machinery of the state is gone.

And Dodudodu, really intelligent response. :rolleyes:

One of the reasons why I'm an anarchist.

Anarchy looks great in theory. It doesn't work in the real world (people suck like that).

That said, forcing people to fight unjustifiable wars (especially ALL of the modern ones since WWII) is a good enough reason to hate the idea of government. You can have real civil rights without letting human nature screw everything up.

Oh? How so? Are you trying to claim that the American revolutionaries did not use guerilla war tactics against the British army? If we'd faced them on their terms, we would have lost. We fought them in regular battles sometimes, but a large part of our victory was not due to winning battles and taking ground, but inflicting enough casualties that they reconsidered whether keeping the colonies was worth the amount of lives and money it would cost.

The war in Iraq has nothing at all to do with my freedom, or that of any other American. Iraq didn't attack the US, and posed no threat to our freedoms. How American freedoms would be at all adversely affected by not going to war in Iraq has yet to be proven to me.

Oh, and Eut, on a less serious note, why did you leave FRoDR? It's incredibly lame to leave our region. Really, that's just not cool.
Um ... aren't you kind of forgetting little things like the War of 1812, the Civil War, WWI and WWII ( not to mention all the other, less well known wars )?

I had my reasons for moving my Nation, none of which had anything to do with the Region.

Anarchy looks great in theory. It doesn't work in the real world (people suck like that).

Spain during the Spanish Civil War. A good portion of Paris during the 1500's.

Ugh, you people...

Poor attempt at switching topics. You earlier used the argument of "who do you owe your freedom to". I pointed out that according to the op, such an argument is completely irrelevant and thus, has no value whatsoever in the proposed scenario to make it worth consideration. The debt of freedom, to which you used to rant against pacifists, simply does not apply in this case.

Sure it does..

Why, because you say so?

Anarcho-communism has the most safeguards in place to prevent dictatorship. The people are empowered, equal and all involved in governing themselves and the machinery of the state is gone.
A pipedream with little or no basis in reality.

Why, because you say so?

Anarcho-communism has the most safeguards in place to prevent dictatorship. The people are empowered, equal and all involved in governing themselves and the machinery of the state is gone.

And Dodudodu, really intelligent response. :rolleyes:

I thank you.

Honestly, anarcho-communis is not true anarchy. Just because what you think would work doesnt sound good, adding "anarchy" to it doesn't necessarily make it better.

Now, if anarcho-communism is what I believe it is, there has to be someone to enforce it; completely defeating anarchy.

Congrats!

I am no longer desired material. Besides if they wanted me; things would be really screwed! :p


Go for it! Just try to remember when you're going through training that many, many before you have made it, and if you give it your best, so will you.

Thank you very much, both of you. And yes, many before me have made it, and I intend to make it as well.

Just out of curiosity Eutrusca, what type of grades do you need to be an officer?

Not that I'm considering it but....idk
For the NROTC program I'm in as a marine option, I need to maintain a 2.5 out of 4.0. Bu thtey highly recomend at least a 3.0

That said, forcing people to fight unjustifiable wars (especially ALL of the modern ones since WWII) is a good enough reason to hate the idea of government. You can have real civil rights without letting human nature screw everything up.

Tanzania's counter invasion of Uganda was perfectly justifiable.

Sure it does..

Then provide the link. Elaborate the causal relation between the idea of American freedom and independence to the current conflict to date. Where is your evidence? Your research. Do not simply use scare tactics, appeals to emotion or simple statements of "yes it does" as your argument. Pinpoint the link, and show it or do not use it again as your debating point.

Dodudodu ...

found an old pic of me taken in Veitnam right after I was promoted to 1LT:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5725/forrest1b0tp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LOL! "The Kid" strikes again! :D

Tanzania's counter invasion of Uganda was perfectly justifiable.

Sorry, misspoke. I meant all the modern ones fought by the U.S. (not because I'm U.S.-Centric, but because the issue of the draft appears to be.).

My freedom is hardly preserved by submitting to a system wherein I admit that the government know more about what battles I should be fighting then I do. If I felt the need to defend, then I'd leap to the fore and do what I could, but I'll be damned if I let some shit-head* who won the world's biggest popularity contest decide that their cause is worth my death.

*This refers to any and all elected representatives, not just any particular past, current, or potential ones.

So you would dodge a draft if you didnt believe in the cause? Mind you it would be a fairly large conflict to bring up the draft again.

And Eustresca...I'm curious as to the sort of grades I'd need to be an officer.
Any ideas?

A pipedream with little or no basis in reality.

Just like a peaceful world with Capitalism.


I've got all night (literally).

Dodudodu ...

found an old pic of me taken in Veitnam right after I was promoted to 1LT:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5725/forrest1b0tp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LOL! "The Kid" strikes again! :D

So thats what you looked like back then. If memory serves, you had a picture of yourself currently posted some time ago. Tell me. How did you go from that to Colonel Sanders? :p

LOL! "The Kid" strikes again! :D

Hey I thought you were Army! Those ears suggest the air force! :p

So you would dodge a draft if you didnt believe in the cause? Mind you it would be a fairly large conflict to bring up the draft again.

I think I might....it completely depends on the cause.

Marrakech- sounds like a dnd rpg type game.
If thats the case, my opinion of you has dropped several points.

And Eustresca...I'm curious as to the sort of grades I'd need to be an officer.
Any ideas?

Well its been awhile for Eut. Maybe I can answer for you. You need a bare minimum of a 2.5. Obviously the better you can do will help you out.

So you would dodge a draft if you didnt believe in the cause? Mind you it would be a fairly large conflict to bring up the draft again.

He is still beter then the guys who signup, take advanced training and then go wait I am a pacifist when the shooting starts.....

Alright as my last post of the night....no chance of me joining the army.

I look like a giant penis when I shave my head...:p
That's my deciding factor.

So you would dodge a draft if you didnt believe in the cause? Mind you it would be a fairly large conflict to bring up the draft again.
It isn't so much that I'd dodge the draft if I didn't believe in the cause, I'd always dodge the draft. If I believed in the cause du jour, I'd have already joined up by the time the draft board start poking around with their mystical random numbers.
Waiting to support the cause until the whims of fate deem fit to put you there always seemed sort of silly in concept.
Whatever, I really doubt that a cause I believe in is going to be taken up by the US anytime soon, we're to busy playing the street cop and wiping other people's noses of late.

So you would dodge a draft if you didnt believe in the cause? Mind you it would be a fairly large conflict to bring up the draft again.


I'd go one step further and say I would reject an draft on princaple. If there was a war being fought that I beleived to be a proper cause I would sign up to do a non-combat role in it (I wouldn't be able to take another person's life, but I would gladly work to safeguard the lives I could), but I would never accept conscription, because it is wrong.

I would go back in. For those who say they would dodge the draft, protest, run like a girl for the border. Who do you think you owe your freedom too? A bunch of pacifist blowhards?
To an extent yes we do owe a lot to people who stay home and live and reproduce and work for the infastructure

The millitary may be the sward and shield but the private life is the heart
And in the end i would preffer to be in the heart then the sward and shield

I fight for the right to choose between the heart and the sward and shield untill the very heart is threatned (in that case if the heart dies the sward and shield have no purpose)

Um ... aren't you kind of forgetting little things like the War of 1812, the Civil War, WWI and WWII ( not to mention all the other, less well known wars )?

I had my reasons for moving my Nation, none of which had anything to do with the Region.

I am overlooking all those, however, without the American revolutionaries, who often as not used the tactics of guerilla warfare, the United States of America would not have been involved in any of those, as it would not exist as a national entity (though, in some ways, at first, it was not a national entity but a collection of state entities).

However, the wars that we fought that were justified (WWII) for example, we were usually defending either ourselves, or other countries from invasion by a foreign nation. WWII, Japan used its military to attack us (they had actually planned to declare war just before attacking, but it was delayed a bit) and so we declared war. Germany and Italy both declared war on us, but in their case, we'd already been aiding the allies in some ways.

In the Korean War, North Korea invaded South Korea, so we and the UN (who the Soviet Union was idiotically boycotting at that time) came to SK's defense, since SK definitely did not want to be taken over by NK.

These were justified, in my opinion.

The Iraq war is not. Why? Well, they didn't attack us (this fact has already been mentioned), let alone attempt to invade us, and the last time they invaded anyone was in 1991.

I'm not going to kill people unless I have a damn good reason, and that goes for getting killed, too.

Well, if you have your reasons for moving, that's fine. I just thought it might have been due to the lack of activity.

So thats what you looked like back then. If memory serves, you had a picture of yourself currently posted some time ago. Tell me. How did you go from that to Colonel Sanders? :p

Does this look like Colonel Sanders to you?

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5725/forrest1b0tp.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3347/forrest47ny.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Remember ladies, this is what happens when guys age WELL! :D

I thank you.

Honestly, anarcho-communis is not true anarchy. Just because what you think would work doesnt sound good, adding "anarchy" to it doesn't necessarily make it better.

Now, if anarcho-communism is what I believe it is, there has to be someone to enforce it; completely defeating anarchy.
It obviously is NOT what you think it is. Communism and anarchism are essentially the same thing, a stateless, classless society, organised into unions, or community groups. Anarcho-communists just have their own view of how such a society is to be reached. (As opposed to Marxists, Marxist-Leninists etc)

I'd recommend reading the Anarchist FAQ, but it's down. Try some Emma Goldman.

Hey I thought you were Army! Those ears suggest the air force! :p
Oh, you're a regular laugh riot, you are! Verrrry funny. Ha. Ha. :p

Does this look like Colonel Sanders to you?

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3347/forrest47ny.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/images/sanders_h.jpg

Going to go with Yes on that one.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/images/sanders_h.jpg

Going to go with Yes on that one.
Have you considered the services of a competent Opthamologist? :p

I'd go one step further and say I would reject an draft on princaple. If there was a war being fought that I beleived to be a proper cause I would sign up to do a non-combat role in it (I wouldn't be able to take another person's life, but I would gladly work to safeguard the lives I could), but I would never accept conscription, because it is wrong.

Actually I wouldnt hold it against someone because they couldnt take combat. Most of the military is non-combat related. Plenty of those positions.

As far as taking another persons life. Ask most vets and they will tell you that you dont think about it like that at the moment. Your survival instincts and most importantly training take over in combat.

I would join and work my way up to be one of the guys with a key to launch a nuke. I would then swipe the key from the other guy and launch Nukes everywhere. :)

Remember ladies, this is what happens when guys age WELL! :D

Nice pic. Your going to make me want to dig out some of my own. ;)

only child
objective offender (term?)
find work in Canada

if none of that worked and they forced me to help fight a war I didnt believe in i would sabotage as much as I could before I killed myself

only child
objective offender (term?)
find work in Canada

if none of that worked and they forced me to help fight a war I didnt believe in i would sabotage as much as I could before I killed myself


In all honesty that is a messed up statement to say of ones self. Now seriously would you really think to do this?

In all honesty that is a messed up statement to say of ones self. Now seriously would you really think to do this?

no, I'd probably go out One Flew Over The Cookoos Nest style after sabotaging as much as I could, which would probably actually get me killed anyway :D

Death is much better than assisting in killing others that I don't feel deserve it.

no, I'd probably go out One Flew Over The Cookoos Nest style

hehe your quoting a movie that was made before 75% of NS'ers were alive. Although that was a great one. I say more power to you... ;)

and Iraq has to be finished. I say this not because I support the war, but because I don't support creating a new terrorist state,
I have read none of this thread and only want to address this issue and move on.

I hate to tell you this. But removing Saddam and allowing a "democracy" composed of Muslim politicians and extremists to take his place inherently creates a new terrorist state.

I have read none of this thread and only want to address this issue and move on.

I hate to tell you this. But removing Saddam and allowing a "democracy" composed of Muslim politicians and extremists to take his place inherently creates a new terrorist state.


I doubt it that this will happen. That is opinion only. I will take the positive path and say that it will be a good thing in the long run for the Iraqi's

I doubt it that this will happen. That is opinion only. I will take the positive path and say that it will be a good thing in the long run for the Iraqi's
Which doesn't really counter what I said.

Which doesn't really counter what I said.

Was I countering you? Just figured I would put out what I thought would happen. I figured you did, so it was ok. ;)

Assuming that you're asking what I would do were I not Canadian, female, and incapable of meeting the physical fitness requirements, I would pretend to be gay.

Have you considered the services of a competent Opthamologist? :p

Nonsense. A little trim with some scissors and you'd be the spitting image of Sanders.

If they ever decided to reinstroduced the draft here in Australia I'd probably do one of a number of things to prove my unworthiness to serve.


1. Tell em I'm a communist and would most likely try subvert others into the true meaning of fragging.

2. Shoot myself in the foot.

3. I'm a foreign national not loyal to this government.

4. Avoid the draft and help others do the same.

I would plead my double major sculiosis made it so I was phyisically incabable of going into the military. And I could probably pull some other physical issues. And if that didn't work, join and sign up for a non-overseas job. Assuming you can do that.

I would imagine half the forum would suddenly admit their undying love for Fass...

Hah, I like him well enough :p

I agree with those that say if things were desperate enough that the US needed the draft, I would have already signed up. If I hadn't, I don't think I would have to worry about getting sent to the front lines. My physical limitations almost guarantee a F4. As far as basic training, etc, I would so not put up with that shit if I didn't believe it was worth it.

I would do my duty, and serve my country. I would do what was asked of me, and I wouldn't come back and accuse my fellow soldiers of war crimes.

From what I understand of your law (admittedly, I mostly see foreign policy), you guys are already pretty close to martial law, and depending on the next war the GOP pick, a draft may be essential.

The question's hypothetical here in the UK. AFAIK I'm in what _would_ be a protected profession, and would be exempt from the draft. However, depending on the war, I may choose to enlist anyway.

If we were fighting Venezuela because our rulers (corporate, government and church, the sacred trinity) are afraid of their progressive policy (but dress it up as though they're a terrorist state, or could strike us within *cough* 45 minutes), I'd fight to my last breath against the government. If, however, we were fighting somebody who really was the nouveau Stalin or Hitler, I would enlist at the drop of a hat.

I would do what Muhammed Ali did.

I'll show up to where Im supposed to be....
..and then promptly refuse to enlist.

"Fuck you, and your war, sir."
-Me.

While I'm sure being a gi sucked, having to actually decide what and where must have been a true bitch.

In my case, I was an NCO. Being in the infantry does not suck - it is the greatest experience of brotherhood that men can find on Earth.

In my case, I was an NCO. Being in the infantry does not suck - it is the greatest experience of brotherhood that men can find on Earth.
Here, here. speak on brother.

I wonder where all the pro war people went? You would think NS was totally antiwar.

As for me, I think someplace I still have my draft card and my 1-A card. Would they take a fat 53 year old?

I wonder where all the pro war people went? You would think NS was totally antiwar.

As for me, I think someplace I still have my draft card and my A-1 card. Would they take a fat 53 year old?

I guess you haven't read my posts on this thread. I'm pro war, and I voted with my body.

I guess you haven't read my posts on this thread. I'm pro war, and I voted with my body.
You voted with your body for another war ...


Can sane person actualy be "pro war" ... or is it more pro "this or that" war.One would think that most people are pro for a specific objective rather then being for war in general

You voted with your body for another war ...

Can sane person actualy be "pro war" ... or is it more pro "this or that" war.One would think that most people are pro for a specific objective rather then being for war in general

I specifically enlisted in the infantry so I could get the opportunity to kill people. The politics behind a war do not concern me.

Of course, my opportunities were rather limited, as I missed the Panama thing due to being in another infantry unit, and then went to the First Gulf War, where it didn't last long enough for me to kill too many people.

Yes, you can be perfectly sane, and think like this. Sanity is a legal term. I know when there are legal opportunities to kill, and I work within those limits. So by definition, I am sane.

I am against a draft, largely because it would fill the armed forces with people who don't want to be there.

Now read this:

http://www.landscaper.net/timelin.htm#Statistics%20and%20Myths

Myth: Most American soldiers were addicted to drugs, guilt-ridden about their role in the war, and deliberately used cruel and inhumane tactics.

The facts are:

*

91% of Vietnam Veterans say they are glad they served (Westmoreland papers)
*

74% said they would serve again even knowing the outcome (Westmoreland papers)
*

There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non veterans of the same age group (from a Veterans Administration study) (Westmoreland papers)
*

Isolated atrocities committed by American soldiers produced torrents of outrage from antiwar critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any attention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations. From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725 South Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and schoolteachers. (Nixon Library) Atrocities - every war has atrocities. War is brutal and not fair. Innocent people get killed.
*

Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only 1/2 of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes. (Westmoreland papers)
*

97% were discharged under honorable conditions; the same percentage of honorable discharges as ten years prior to Vietnam (Westmoreland papers)
*

85% of Vietnam Veterans made a successful transition to civilian life. (McCaffrey Papers)
*

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent. (McCaffrey Papers)

Myth: Most Vietnam veterans were drafted.
2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. (Westmoreland papers) Approximately 70% of those killed were volunteers. (McCaffrey Papers)

I would do what Muhammed Ali did.

I'll show up to where Im supposed to be....
..and then promptly refuse to enlist.

"Fuck you, and your war, sir."
-Me.

That'd probably be me, too. I'd probably go to jail for it, but I wouldn't go to war.

First I'd go for concientious objector status, because I'm against killing and war in general, and against most of the wars the US launches in spacific.

Either that or pretend I wasn't phically fit enough to pass boot camp. Or fail my drug test.


Isolated atrocities committed by American soldiers produced torrents of outrage from antiwar critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any attention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations.

None of the Mi Lay squad ever went to prision, exect the Lt, who, even though he got a life sentence, spent 2 years in jail, a few more on house arrest.

The US indeiscrimantly bombed the north, killing many civilians.

The US dropped Agent White, a rice-killing chemical and carcinegenic, to starve out the Viet Minh's pool of recruits.

The CIA advised Nixon to change the bombing stratigy to bombing damns instead of the villages, because while it would cause less direct civilians deaths, and thus give the anti-war movement less ammo, it would be more effective in killing crops, for the same reason as the use of Agent White.

After the investigation fallowing My Lai, a US military official remarked that the media was making such a big deal of the event because it was the only one they had found out about. He said "every platoon has a My Lai hidden somewhere"

Obviously, attacks on civilians were part of the US stratigy as well.

Alright, with my 60-something post wisdom, I haven't seen anything on a potiental draft in the US.

Understanding its a common fact that troop recruitments are at record lows, and Iraq has to be finished. I say this not because I support the war, but because I don't support creating a new terrorist state, this time with a shitload of oil to fund themselves, rather than heroin (sorry for the stereotype- seeing as I'm not a government agent, thats about all I could come up with, and apparently the most commonley known.)

So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draft?
A military draft is so fundamentally opposed to American values that it makes me sick. I am ashamed that my country EVER employed the draft. I would never even remotely consider complying with a draft.

To go a step further: let's pretend that America is engaged in a war that I support to the point where I am planning to sign up for duty. If a draft was announced, I would no longer be willing to sign up for duty, even if I still believed in the original cause of the war. I might consider joining the military of a non-draft-using allied country or something, but I would never fight for any nation that was using a military draft.

I would imagine half the forum would suddenly admit their undying love for Fass...

Countries with drafts tend not to accept that as an excuse.

Countries with drafts tend not to accept that as an excuse.
They might have Fass there to verify that you're telling the truth, and I'm sure he doesn't have the time or the inclination to do all that work with people who probably have backs that look like a hairy version of the far side of the Moon.

They might have Fass there to verify that you're telling the truth, and I'm sure he doesn't have the time or the inclination to do all that work with people who probably have backs that look like a hairy version of the far side of the Moon.

For King and country, I am ready to abide many a hardship, to probe countless a darkness.

For King and country, I am ready to abide many a hardship, to probe countless a darkness.
You would need a mirror on the opposite wall, so you could tell if they were telling the truth about liking it.

You would need a mirror on the opposite wall, so you could tell if they were telling the truth about liking it.

Oh, I have a very sensitive instrument. Any semblance of such ideological resistance would be amplified and promptly subdued by appropriately targeted thrusts, and nullified by an increased level of guttural noise.

Oh, I have a very sensitive instrument. Any semblance of such ideological resistance would be amplified and promptly subdued by appropriately targeted thrusts, and nullified by an increased level of guttural noise.

Back on topic, if there was a draft, I wonder how many guys would be willing to fake being gay - to that extent. Only to find out that the military at that point would not care.

Back on topic, if there was a draft, I wonder how many guys would be willing to fake being gay - to that extent. Only to find out that the military at that point would not care.

I don't know, they can keep voting Republican to hedge their bets.

Back on topic, if there was a draft, I wonder how many guys would be willing to fake being gay - to that extent. Only to find out that the military at that point would not care.
Who is faking ... I already like men:p

I somehow dont feel the need to hide that just so I can serve against my will

I would take Reggie Bush first pick. He's a much surer thing than Leinart or Vince Young.

It would depend on the war. An Iraq or Vietnam like one? No. WW2? Yes.

I'd go to war if it was all a big online Quake style fight

than I could enjoy fragging people all day long

find some bizzare wackjob's talmudic commentary that prohibits jews from entering the armed forces.

So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draf


Go and fight.

To do anything else would be a disgrace to my family as every generation in my family has fought in a war since we came to America.

I would take Reggie Bush first pick. He's a much surer thing than Leinart or Vince Young.

You win this thread and another thread of your choosing.

So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draft?

I would be a little pissed, seeing as how I am considering going to college and becomming an officer. But I would salute smartly and have fun blowing up the enemy, whoever the hell the enemy is. I would also bitch because girls don't have to sign up for the Selective Service.

However, I don't feel a draft is possible. Hell, I think several military leaders do not want a draft. If even the military doesn't want access to what amounts to an infinite supply of soldiers, who does?

Well, if you're going into officer school you won't get drafted.
You don't have to worry about it.

I can't be drafted, I get seizures :D

Well...err....I could call you lucky.
I dunno; theres a plus side to everything I guess.
So lets switch; what would be the plus of getting drafted?

If the draft were to occur, i would flee to canada.

Go and fight.

To do anything else would be a disgrace to my family as every generation in my family has fought in a war since we came to America.
How very depressing. To feel obligated to do something just because others before you have done it.

My parents taught me to grow to do better in life then even they did, not follow directly in their footsteps

I thought all parents wanted better for their children then they may or may not have had it

I know exactly what I'd do if I was an American and the draft came up to finish a was as pointless as Iraq. Snort speed and suck cocks, and turn up on the day with a blood test that'll never pass muster and a medical exam which states I've admitted to having unprotected homosexual sex within the last 12 months. Voila, no more draft for me :)

Join the navy or form a rebel faction.

Join the navy or form a rebel faction.

Join up with the Maryland Militia :)

Already in so the point is moot.

The only people who think that a draft is a good idea are those who wish to destroy the US military or want to promote an agenda of class envy.

Since I am overweight and depressed I doubt I would pass the psychological exam to get into the army.

Since I am overweight and depressed I doubt I would pass the psychological exam to get into the army.
I wouldn't stake my life on that assumption.

Wear a dress. Carry a purse. Make passes at the recruitement fellas.

Whatever.

I am shocked at how many people will dodge the draft. If you don't want to fight, find a way to serve without fighting. I don't know, pack parachutes or drive supply convoys.

I actually had a plan that involved doing my duty. In fact, it even involved ending the war.

For review, my plan was to serve in the Pentagon weapons labs and design superweapons that enable the US to win the war in 5 days.

Was it also your plan to liquidate Japan?

If the draft were to occur, i would flee to canada.
Just in time for the war of Quebec independence...

I am shocked at how many people will dodge the draft. If you don't want to fight, find a way to serve without fighting. I don't know, pack parachutes or drive supply convoys.

I actually had a plan that involved doing my duty. In fact, it even involved ending the war.

For review, my plan was to serve in the Pentagon weapons labs and design superweapons that enable the US to win the war in 5 days.

It's not just that I wouldn't want to fight, it's that I wouldn't want to be a part of something I believe to be immoral.

It's already been proven that volunteer armies are vastly more superior to drafted ones. If ever I would join the army, it would only be when my nation was directly threatened and I was needed, but it would be my choice, not some politician's.

It's already been proven that volunteer armies are vastly more superior to drafted ones. If ever I would join the army, it would only be when my nation was directly threatened and I was needed, but it would be my choice, not some politician's.So how does Israel with it's compulsary military service fit into your assesment?

So what would "my fellow Americans" do in a draft?
I have a piece of paper that ranks me the worst of five suitability degrees for the German draft. It might just convince an American recruiter.