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You know I have been doing some thinking about somethings, so i have done some research on prophecy on Israel and also the endtimes, written in the bible some 2000+ yrs ago, that has so far all come true. let me give a few examples as cited by www.ineedjesus.com
(notice this also goes along with some end time prophecy)


1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6.
The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the
people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:


A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.


B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.


C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I
do it for me"?



D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.



E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.




F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.




G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?



H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.


I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point?
Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.


7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.
Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2004) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.
Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9.
Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.



Ok so there are just 11 of some prophecies give..Now what is the chance that people 2000 yrs ago and before, could accuratly give such predictions? Im no mathmatician, but i can assume the number is astronomical. Also, i don't recall other "holy books" giving such accurate predictions so long ago. If I am wrong, then please site specific evidence. But, if this is right, then what excuse do you(rhetorical) have for not beleiving the word of God?

Why does the world have to end? Is it God basically going "fuck it, I'm sick of this"?

Why does the world have to end? Is it God basically going "fuck it, I'm sick of this"?


It is ending because God is tired of all the sin, this is a point in time in which sin is at its highest peak, and thus the ultimate evil will arise to try and kill off all of God's people and His creation.

But, if this is right, then what excuse do you(rhetorical) have for not beleiving the word of God?
Rhetorical? No, that question has a very real answer.

True and Right are different things. Just because someone can see the future does not mean that the power by which he does so is a benevolent one. "The Devil often speaks truths to sway the hearts of men," as they say.

It is ending because God is tired of all the sin, this is a point in time in which sin is at its highest peak, and thus the ultimate evil will arise to try and kill off all of God's people and His creation.

Question: If sin is contiunally rising isn't it alway at it's peak?

I get the feeling if God was truly made tired by sin, he would have ended the world during any one of the genocides we've had over the past fifty years. But he didn't. Now he's going to do it because people no longer lock their doors? WTF is up with that?

Rhetorical? No, that question has a very real answer.

True and Right are different things. Just because someone can see the future does not mean that the power by which he does so is a benevolent one. "The Devil often speaks truths to sway the hearts of men," as they say.


Yeah I was going to mention that in the above, but there was enough in there anyways..But yeah so called new age prophets and psychics only can see things, because their power is of the flesh and from satan, whom is very powerful and can mimic God very well..So yeah i agree with you on that

It is ending because God is tired of all the sin, this is a point in time in which sin is at its highest peak, and thus the ultimate evil will arise to try and kill off all of God's people and His creation.

How can God get tired? Since he's omniscient, he knew exactly how much sin there would be and when. Since he's omnipotent, he had the power to make a universe without sin AND with free will! Since he's supposedly loving, why is God's solution to evil trying to kill off his creation to... kill off his own creation?

All these questions and many more are why I don't believe in this God guy.

Question: If sin is contiunally rising isn't it alway at it's peak?

I get the feeling if God was truly made tired by sin, he would have ended the world during any one of the genocides we've had over the past fifty years. But he didn't. Now he's going to do it because people no longer lock their doors? WTF is up with that?

Well everything has to fall int place first. Christ won't return for the heck of it, certain things have to come about. one of the missing things is that of the third temple in jerusalem. But God has a planned time table and will follow it accordingly

What I don't get is why this omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being confesses to being 'a jealous god', and yet says that he/she is perfect, and the only god.

We know from the prophecy that Gog and Magog are going to make war on Israel. But it's never clear whether Gog is a nation on its own, or is the name of the king of Magog.

In other words, referencing "Gog and Magog" as forces that will attack Israel in one phrase, and referring to "Gog, king of Magog" in another, is a little strange. Perhaps that inconsistency should be addressed? After all, aren't we taught that for every little variation in expression and connotation, there is a reason?

PS: are we doing the citations in English or in Hebrew?

Well everything has to fall int place first. Christ won't return for the heck of it, certain things have to come about. one of the missing things is that of the third temple in jerusalem. But God has a planned time table and will follow it accordingly

Well good luck to him. Personally I think we're going through a less-than-evil time right now. Things are just starting to get good.

How can God get tired? Since he's omniscient, he knew exactly how much sin there would be and when. Since he's omnipotent, he had the power to make a universe without sin AND with free will! Since he's supposedly loving, why is God's solution to evil trying to kill off his creation to... kill off his own creation?

All these questions and many more are why I don't believe in this God guy.


1) You can't have free will without the presence of sin. thats just how it is. If we are to be truly free he has to allow the rebellion in the world. or else we will be mindless robots FORCED to love Him.

2) He is loving, thats why he Offered His Son as a sacrifice so we won't have to face a worse form of death...hell...Punishment is neccessary though...

3) most people truly don't believe in God, simply because they don't want to be accountable for their wrongdoing..so if there is no God, then they are not wrong...so thats why

What I don't get is why this omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being confesses to being 'a jealous god', and yet says that he/she is perfect, and the only god.
The Old Testament actually has polytheistic tones to its references to other gods and goddesses, such as the Ba'als (Ba'al Peor for example, or Ba'al Zevuv, which is Beelzebub in English) and Ashtoreth (Astarte?). It's never suggested that such gods don't exist, merely that they are not to be worshipped by Israelites. The Prophets begin to refer to them as "elilim" instead of "elohim", but it's not clear precisely what that means. "Elilim" may have been referring to the idols and fetishes that people used in their worship, not to the god that the idol represented. (If the idol was seen as the god itself, then it was probably seen as a false god.)

Whew, am I glad I am a practicing goodhearted Roman Catholic. I got nothing to fear, and would embrace God's armegeddon.

(Also = The mayans say the world is also gonna end in bout 7 years, and they had no contact with the people who wrote the bible, this is gettin spooky, and mysteryious)

We know from the prophecy that Gog and Magog are going to make war on Israel. But it's never clear whether Gog is a nation on its own, or is the name of the king of Magog.

Looks like they just gave up creatively at that point. "Ok I need a bad guy and his loyal minions. Fuck it, I'll just use the sounds of my baby gurgling."

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I want to know what the abomination which causes desolation is! I mean, how are we supposed to recognise it when it is set up in Israel?

What I don't get is why this omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being confesses to being 'a jealous god', and yet says that he/she is perfect, and the only god.

There are gods, and there is God. gods are materialistic or made up false hoods that are worshipped instead of worshipping the one, true God. He is a jealous God because he doesn't want us to love these false idols. So he knows there are idols that people worship as gods, but he is the only true God.

Whew, am I glad I am a practicing goodhearted Roman Catholic. I got nothing to fear, and would embrace God's armegeddon.

(Also = The mayans say the world is also gonna end in bout 7 years, and they had no contact with the people who wrote the bible, this is gettin spooky, and mysteryious)

Newton says 2024. Mayans say 2012 Nostreadumus says that Jesus is already born but the world won't end till 7000. I say that they're all wrong.

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Looks like they just gave up creatively at that point. "Ok I need a bad guy and his loyal minions. Fuck it, I'll just use the sounds of my baby gurgling."

lmao!! ;D

1) You can't have free will without the presence of sin. thats just how it is. If we are to be truly free he has to allow the rebellion in the world. or else we will be mindless robots FORCED to love Him.

I don't buy that. He's GOD. As in, ALL-POWERFUL. There is nothing he can't do. There is no "that's just how it is." God IS all that is! Did I mention he's God?

Therefore I assert you CAN have free will without the presence of sin. It's just that "God," if he exists, CHOSE not to do things like that. He WANTED sin. He CREATED it.


2) He is loving, thats why he Offered His Son as a sacrifice so we won't have to face a worse form of death...hell...Punishment is neccessary though...

Ah yes, God's so loving he kills his own kid. Now why is it that God-fearing southern baptists then, say that when a woman gets an abortion she is not loving? They say in fact that she's just committing murder. Kind of like God - he murdered his own son.

And I still don't see why this god character needs to destroy the world in order to save it from being destroyed. That smells a bit fishy to me.

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how is this flaming or spam? there is intelligent argument to be made on it. and im not doing this to tick anyone off..this is just something to enlighten the masses :D

There are gods, and there is God. gods are materialistic or made up false hoods that are worshipped instead of worshipping the one, true God. He is a jealous God because he doesn't want us to love these false idols. So he knows there are idols that people worship as gods, but he is the only true God.

I just don't trust any being which torments you for an age because you refuse to follow his fascist dictates.

:)

God is my favourite fictional character.

Didn't Jesus say that the world would end during the lifetime of his disciples? Did that come true too?

I want to know what the abomination which causes desolation is! I mean, how are we supposed to recognise it when it is set up in Israel?
Sharon and his new party, Kadima, probably. I mean, Sharon himself is a pschopath - he pointed out at one point that his heart stopped during battlefield surgery, and had to be restarted. You wonder if that caused some brain damage, no?

Anyway, the guy's a nutter. Disobeys orders from superiors when he had them, stands by and watches civilians under his protection get slaughtered (slaughtered by Christians, mind you) and then in the name of "peace" pursues this insane hard-line unilateralist plan to... I don't know what. Nobody knows what he's thinking. I suspect even he might not.

A pull-out isn't psychotic.

There are gods, and there is God. gods are materialistic or made up false hoods that are worshipped instead of worshipping the one, true God. He is a jealous God because he doesn't want us to love these false idols. So he knows there are idols that people worship as gods, but he is the only true God.
But how do you explain the Pentateuch essentially conceding that the Ba'alim and Ashtoreth and other such deities exist? I mean, "Worship no gods before me" seems to suggest that there are other gods out there other than the one speaking.

And I still don't see why this god character needs to destroy the world in order to save it from being destroyed. That smells a bit fishy to me.

That, my friend, is why you are not God :P

God is my favourite fictional character.

Naw, he's too powerful. He needs a weakness, so people can empathise with him. Like Loki. He's too prudish too. He doesn't get the gay demographic the same way Batman and Robin did.

I love prophecies.

Its like how the say: You shoot a arrow at a wall and paint the target around it.



Get what I mean?


Ps and yes I have heard something about isreal being a final battle ground for the holy land. or some jazz like that.

That, my friend, is why you are not God :P

Why do you think I'm not God?

A pull-out isn't psychotic.
No, but if you are trying to lead your country of 8m to peace with your neighbors, of more than seven times that population, it makes sense to pursue a less unilateral path - not to mention, it makes sense not to get into engagements like the one in Lebanon, which Sharon was involved in starting.

Didn't Jesus say that the world would end during the lifetime of his disciples? Did that come true too? Didn't he also say something about his disciples having eternal life through him?

Eternity is just until the end of time.

Anyway, so what if there are other gods and godlings?

yes I have heard something about isreal being a final battle ground for the holy land. or some jazz like that.
Yeah, at Mt Megiddo.

Why do you think I'm not God?

You have no noodly apendages.

I just want to say something about crime 50 years ago, there was plenty of crime then people had to lock their doors. Anyway just to let you know that while there is a lot of crime now, there was then, and that crime levels have a lot to do with how many snot nosed brats ooops poorly parented kids who have no prospects for employment there are floating about with too much free time on their hands.

oh and this end of the world thing? That little fad comes around about every 15 or 20 years. It's getting really old. Some guy named Hal Lindsey made a fortune off the end of the Word. I wonder if anyone ever makes fun of him or if he can buy minions who shut people up who ask awkward questions?

Naw, he's too powerful. He needs a weakness, so people can empathise with him. Like Loki. He's too prudish too. He doesn't get the gay demographic the same way Batman and Robin did.


Screw that, God's like the Hulk! Fuck yeah!

EDIT: The battle of Meggido was in the First World War. Try again, God!

I just want to say something about crime 50 years ago, there was plenty of crime then people had to lock their doors. Anyway just to let you know that while there is a lot of crime now, there was then, and that crime levels have a lot to do with how many snot nosed brats ooops poorly parented kids who have no prospects for employment there are floating about with too much free time on their hands. I sometimes have too much time on my hands. I post shite on Nationstates and make 3D movies, not committing crimes.

You have no noodly apendages.

Yes I do. But we don't have to go there if it's against the forum rules. And it is.

Didn't he also say something about his disciples having eternal life through him?

Eternity is just until the end of time.

Anyway, so what if there are other gods and godlings?


Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:36

This generation?

Ooops. God must be late.

A mild nitpick.

Israel is spelled with the A before the E. It comes from Jacob's nickname given to him by the angel with which he fought - "Yisra-el". So.

Besides, it's my name.

A mild nitpick.

Israel is spelled with the A before the E. It comes from Jacob's nickname given to him by the angel with which he fought - "Yisra-el". So.

Besides, it's my name.

Mr. Israel?:eek:

The battle of Meggido was in the First World War.
What? I was under the impression that the first World War was within Europe and didn't involve the Near East. Enlighten me, please.

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:36

This generation?

Ooops. God must be late. Oh, that part, when Jesus was talking about his followers being stoned and persecuted towards the end times because of him.

That happened, alright.

I sometimes have too much time on my hands. I post shite on Nationstates and make 3D movies, not committing crimes.

Well the second activity might be counted as creative...I was talking about kids stuck in a lower level of technology anyway. 50 years ago picking locks was even a little cool....with some people....

What? I was under the impression that the first World War was within Europe and didn't involve the Near East. Enlighten me, please.

Go read a history book. PLEASE. There were battles all over the East. Lawrence of Arabia? Biggles in the Desert?Ooops...

It is ending because God is tired of all the sin, this is a point in time in which sin is at its highest peak, and thus the ultimate evil will arise to try and kill off all of God's people and His creation.

Too bad there is no God.

GOD SMASH! RAAAWR!

Oh, that part, when Jesus was talking about his followers being stoned and persecuted towards the end times because of him.

That happened, alright.

To be honest, I don't even know what the passage was about. I just copied that from the sceptics annotated Bible. Where it says about this passage:

"All these things shall come upon this generation."
Jesus predicts the end of the world within the lifetime of his listeners.

I think that if god really wants to destroy the world, then Chuck Norris will stop him.

Middle name, Dove. :3

GOD SMASH! RAAAWR!

You wouldn't like him when he's angry:

Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings. He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded. (Joshua 10:40)

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:36

This generation?

Ooops. God must be late.

I don't think you're using the right kind of logic here:

1. The prophecy must be true.
2. Therefore, if it hasn't come about then the wording must have been metaphorical and it would be stupid to take it literally.
3. If it has come about then clearly it was meant literally and is proof of the Bible's infallibility. Die stupid heathen die!!!

:rolleyes:

Some things to think about...

1)where did cain's wife come from? up until that point the only woman mentioned is eve.
1a) did he marry his mom?
1b) isnt incest bad?

2)if the whole world spawned from adam and eve, how did we develope different skin colors?
2a) doesnt that prove evolution at least to some degree?
2b) again... what about the incest? if 2 ppl spawned all others then its not possible for sex not to be incest.

3)christianity has done more evil in its own name and for its own enrichment that any other religion ever.

4)chrisitanity has converted more of its followers by force than any other

5)why are certain books/gospels left out of the bible? isn't it all important?

6)why use analogies? i think people would believe a lot more a lot easier if it just flat out said things. (or are they analogies? ppl=sheep is quite true)


you see my friends we are both aethiests, i just believe in one god fewer than you. When you realize why it is that you refuse any other possible god, you will realize why it is that i refuse yours.

Go read a history book. PLEASE. There were battles all over the East. Lawrence of Arabia? Biggles in the Desert? Ooops...
While I'm doing that reading, could you provide some information specifically about Mt Megiddo? Yeah, I made a mistake there and forgot about some history. (My specialties in war history are the US civil war and the second world war, anyway.) However, the war in general wasn't the question, it was the war at Mt Megiddo.

I think that if god really wants to destroy the world, then Chuck Norris will stop him.

CURSE YOU CHUCK NORRIS!!

[/Ben Stiller]

On a similar but somewhat other note, the meaning of the word 'sin' in Hebrew is closer to 'falling short of what God planned for you, falling short of His expectations', and not exactly 'EVERY SINGLE BAD THING YOU EVER DO IS A SIN!'. It is, but thats not exactly a correct definition. (On the as of yet undiscussed topic of- we are born sinful, and/or you sin no matter what you do, and/or you are always sinning, you sick, wicked person.) English- the greatest language because its equally difficult for everyone to use. ;)

Middle name, Dove. :3

Thats actually kinda cool. I really wish I had thought more when I picked mine. You can actually be Lucifer if you want.

You know I have been doing some thinking about somethings, so i have done some research on prophecy on Israel and also the endtimes, written in the bible some 2000+ yrs ago, that has so far all come true. let me give a few examples as cited by www.ineedjesus.com
(notice this also goes along with some end time prophecy)


1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6.
The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the
people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:


A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.


B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.


C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I
do it for me"?



D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.



E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.




F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.




G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?



H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.


I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point?
Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.


7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.
Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2004) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.
Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9.
Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.



Ok so there are just 11 of some prophecies give..Now what is the chance that people 2000 yrs ago and before, could accuratly give such predictions? Im no mathmatician, but i can assume the number is astronomical. Also, i don't recall other "holy books" giving such accurate predictions so long ago. If I am wrong, then please site specific evidence. But, if this is right, then what excuse do you(rhetorical) have for not beleiving the word of God?


i couldn't agree more... also if you've heard the news in Har miggido, israel(hence the word armaggedon) they found the probably the first Christian church and that is where the last battle on earth where the Antichrist and god's army mainly the jews are supposed to battle at.
All the believers will be up in heaven during the rapture, and the jews and the anti christ battle it out. But lets say if your hindu or something else you choose a side, and after the battle there will be a treaty signed, and seven years before the Messiah comes to rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. and the devil locked up, before the end comes he will be release to get has many poeple on his side as possible then all will go up to heaven who believe at least the the devil and his follower thrown into the hot sulfur springs in which the false prophet and the beast were thrown in.

You wouldn't like him when he's angry:

Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings. He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded. (Joshua 10:40)

God:
Hulk By Proxy
Coming this summer to a theater near you!

It is ending because God is tired of all the sin, this is a point in time in which sin is at its highest peak, and thus the ultimate evil will arise to try and kill off all of God's people and His creation.



I am always SO fond of people who know exactly what God means/ wants. Good on yer for having a direct line with Him.

Let me ask you this: have you ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy? If a book (be it holy or not, that's not up to me to decide) declares a certain event to happen in the far far future, ANY possibility to let that prophecy happen will be taken.

Furthermore: I cannot believe in your version of God. God, to me, is neither good nor evil, man nor woman, loving nor vengefull. The reason for me to believe that is because I got a brain and an education to use it.

Try philosophy for a while, you might enjoy it.




BTW. Yes, I'm pagan. :)

Some things to think about...

1)where did cain's wife come from? up until that point the only woman mentioned is eve.
1a) did he marry his mom?
1b) isnt incest bad?

2)if the whole world spawned from adam and eve, how did we develope different skin colors?
2a) doesnt that prove evolution at least to some degree?
2b) again... what about the incest? if 2 ppl spawned all others then its not possible for sex not to be incest. Most Christians take all that as allegory.

3)christianity has done more evil in its own name and for its own enrichment that any other religion ever. I don't suppose you heard about the Fida'in, or the Islamic practise of strengthening a blade by killing slaves with it?

4)chrisitanity has converted more of its followers by force than any other Have you ever heard of Islam? Both of them have done bad things.

5)why are certain books/gospels left out of the bible? isn't it all important? Some of the gospels were not reliable etc.

6)why use analogies? i think people would believe a lot more a lot easier if it just flat out said things. (or are they analogies? ppl=sheep is quite true) Analogies are common features of language, to let people relate to thing. I don't know about you, but the parables communicate ideas easily to me.

On a similar but somewhat other note, the meaning of the word 'sin' in Hebrew is closer to 'falling short of what God planned for you, falling short of His expectations', and not exactly 'EVERY SINGLE BAD THING YOU EVER DO IS A SIN!'. It is, but thats not exactly a correct definition. (On the as of yet undiscussed topic of- we are born sinful, and/or you sin no matter what you do, and/or you are always sinning, you sick, wicked person.) English- the greatest language because its equally difficult for everyone to use. ;)

That's very interesting, do you have a link to a site with more detail?

I have a feeling that this could be very useful in future theology debates.;)

Some things to think about...

1)where did cain's wife come from? up until that point the only woman mentioned is eve.
1a) did he marry his mom?
1b) isnt incest bad?
If I get into a fantasy-story mood, I like to think he married a woman created by another god.

2)if the whole world spawned from adam and eve, how did we develope different skin colors?
2a) doesnt that prove evolution at least to some degree?
2b) again... what about the incest? if 2 ppl spawned all others then its not possible for sex not to be incest.
Well, combine different seed populations with the pressures of different environments, and you'll get people up north or south with heat-conserving bodies and pale skin, and people in the middle with heat-releasing bodies and dark skin.

3)christianity has done more evil in its own name and for its own enrichment that any other religion ever.
Probably, that's not true when you compensate for the fact that Christianity is the largest religion ever, in terms of number of people (currently, about 2bn).

4)chrisitanity has converted more of its followers by force than any other
I'm really not sure about that.

5)why are certain books/gospels left out of the bible? isn't it all important?
They didn't fit with the image of the god that the council at Niceae(?) wanted to project, so Thomas et al. got tossed. As for why some of the older Hebrew scriptures have been left out, well... some were just plain forgotten, while others were considered too far-out for the message that the authorities wanted to send out to the worshippers.

6)why use analogies? i think people would believe a lot more a lot easier if it just flat out said things. (or are they analogies? ppl=sheep is quite true)
Because of brains and the peculiar ways that they work.

you see my friends we are both aethiests, i just believe in one god fewer than you. When you realize why it is that you refuse any other possible god, you will realize why it is that i refuse yours.
Good philosophizing. :3

Some things to think about...

1)where did cain's wife come from? up until that point the only woman mentioned is eve.
1a) did he marry his mom?
1b) isnt incest bad?

2)if the whole world spawned from adam and eve, how did we develope different skin colors?
2a) doesnt that prove evolution at least to some degree?
2b) again... what about the incest? if 2 ppl spawned all others then its not possible for sex not to be incest.

In fairness to the believer out there, the church has already stated that thats metaphorical.

3)christianity has done more evil in its own name and for its own enrichment that any other religion ever.

4)chrisitanity has converted more of its followers by force than any other


Doesn't prove the religion is wrong. All it proves that greedy men will seek positions of power

5)why are certain books/gospels left out of the bible? isn't it all important?


Because the church isn't sure that they're real.

6)why use analogies? i think people would believe a lot more a lot easier if it just flat out said things. (or are they analogies? ppl=sheep is quite true)


People like anologies.

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It's traditional to snip when you quote long posts. Please do so.

sadly, no. it was in a video we watched in sunday school. the only interesting part of the video, actually. the rest was a bunch of ladies whining about how sorry they were that they had abortions, and how they thinks its wrong now and theyll never do it again, and HERCLE! ALLOWING ABORTION TO BE LEGAL DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY SINGLE PREGNANT LADY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH IS JUST GONNA GO OUT AND KILL THEIR UNBORN CHILD!!! I DON'T THINK ITS RIGHT, BUT I DO THINK THAT A PERSON WHO DOESN'T SHARE MY VIEWPOINT ON THIS SHOULD BE STOPPED FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT IS, as far as I know, at the moment, COMPLETELY LEGAL!!!

A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.

B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.

C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I do it for me"?

D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.

E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.

F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.

G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?

H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.



Ok ok ok ... enough. All of those things can, and have, been argued about concerning US society in general. The US is not the world and there wasn't a US when these prophecies were given.

Also, I too have read the Jewish prophecies concerning the Messianic era and, guess what, Jesus doesn't equate in the mix anywhere. Also, it's not a good idea to discuss the epistles of Paul or Timothy when discussing Jewish prophecy as those are Christian, not Jewish, texts.

I'm going to make a prophecy for the world to end right now, here, in front of you all.

Before the world ends, the following must happen:
1) Life must be discovered outside of Earth
2) Religion must die and become a scattered concept
3) Machines will take the place of men, and walk amongst us as men
4) One man of Slovakian descent must take over much of Europe
5) The United Nations must collapse
6) Men will be able to take flight and travel vast, cold, and dark distances

Now, if I had 2500 years to wait around and see if this stuff would come true, I can guarantee you it willl. For instance - my god, the UN is having troubles! Oh no, we can travel space! Oi - Robotics is upon us! HELP! Mainstream religion is dying! DEAR GOD - we found a fossil of bacteria on a martian meteorite!

Hence why I do not give much credit to the Bible.

Prophecies are written vaguely, and generally with educated assumptions on the future. We can't predict our future, but we sure as hell can make good guesses on this.

All of these "prophecies" would eventually become true. Why? It's easy for vaguaries to come true, because there was never anything solid in them to begin with.

There are gods, and there is God. gods are materialistic or made up false hoods that are worshipped instead of worshipping the one, true God. He is a jealous God because he doesn't want us to love these false idols. So he knows there are idols that people worship as gods, but he is the only true God.



Excuse me?
As far as I know, the Old Testament (being by it's nature the book of God Himself) was given to the people of Judea some 6000 jears ago (I'll be generous: you can add/subtract a couple of milennia if it suits you).

Then what's the deal with the peoples BEFORE the people of Judea? I'm talking about the old Chin empire, Aboriginals, Celts, Indians, whatever. They have been wrong, what, since for-ever? Seems to me the only people who really made sure the shit hit the fan were those that followed One God.

Next point: since in your opinion the world must be 6000 jears old (since the O.T is literal, I know), explain dinosaurs to me, please.

*snip*. The prophecy in Daniel is detailed - exactly the order of the leaders that will invade is put down, for example.

Christ and Antichrist will fight this war for the "wrong" sides. God's people will raise Antichrist to head their number; such will be his power. When Christ, who draws upon the least likely to fight alongside him, is victorious, God's people will fail and plunge themselves into oblivion. For such has the image of Christ been skewed, those who claim to represent him will no longer recognise him when he does appear.

Christ and Antichrist will fight this war for the "wrong" sides. God's people will raise Antichrist to head their number; such will be his power. When Christ, who draws upon the least likely to fight alongside him, is victorious, God's people will fail and plunge themselves into oblivion. For such has the image of Christ been skewed, those who claim to represent him will no longer recognise him when he does appear.

What?

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Hah, indeed. I guess when I saw that a sci-fi author could just make up a religion and now-days have millions believe in it as the one true religion, my faith in the infallibility of the bible was shattered.

Damn Jedi!

What?
... Good question. I'm guessing it's some sort of "prediction".

It's a thinly or not-at-all veiled attack on mainstream Christianity.

Didn't Jesus say that the world would end during the lifetime of his disciples? Did that come true too?
My Bible, Student Bible-NIV, points out that the word in Hebrew for generation is the same as the word for race. So interpret that as you wish.

Ok so there are just 11 of some prophecies give..Now what is the chance that people 2000 yrs ago and before, could accuratly give such predictions? Im no mathmatician, but i can assume the number is astronomical. Also, i don't recall other "holy books" giving such accurate predictions so long ago. If I am wrong, then please site specific evidence. But, if this is right, then what excuse do you(rhetorical) have for not beleiving the word of God?
Oh, sure, accuracy is the key. You select a number of things that you interpret in your own way (because they are vague enough), united by the fact that you already consider them holy (as opposed to the immense -no, that's an understatement... infinite number of things said on the same subject) and you fall for the same sophistry that has made Christianity so polivalent as to be dissmisable. Good job.
By the way, if you believe in it, why reason is there to argue for it?

It's a thinly or not-at-all veiled attack on mainstream Christianity.

The theme of corruption in the church is present all through Revalations, IIRC.

My Bible, Student Bible-NIV, points out that the word in Hebrew for generation is the same as the word for race. So interpret that as you wish.
Yeah, but that part of the Bible is in Greek.

Anyway, the word in Hebrew for "race" is geza' while the word for "generation" is dor.

I'm going to make a prophecy for the world to end right now, here, in front of you all.

Hooray! Hosannah!

Can I go smite sinners in your name? Pretty please? :D

Right, so lets say someone can predict the future via divination. Fine. Who is to say where they get their knowledge from, who they say they got this knowledge from and so on? What if people from a future universe have learnt to break the space/time continuum and warn us of what would come to be? Say the force is supernatural, who is to say its God to begin with? What if these individuals were highly psionic and could project their mind into the future? Any number of possible explanations can be given to these prophecies.

Some of the predictions, in addition, are rather simplistic. Homosexuality would increase. Well, assuming societies become more liberal, it would be seen as less of a sin, and thus more people would come out of hiding. Not a very difficult guess to make.

Why should these predictions coerce anyone into believing in God, when there is no pure evidence of their proof and it is possible they were written in such a way so as to ensure it was believed they were God-sent? I may seem overly skeptical, but I am not one who simply believes everything they hear.

(snipped)


Because the church isn't sure that they're real.


People like anologies.

If the Church isn't sure about the word of God, then what can you be sure of?
If the Church (a group of humans) tries to understand the meanings of God, what would be more likely: 1) they are so well adapted to devine thoughtprocess they can, flawless, explain what the Creator of the Universe has in store for Time, Space and Matter.
or
2) their humanbrains short-circuit because they can't interpret devine thoughtprocess and make stuff up.

Example:
Would a God, being omnipotent, who abhorrs sex and everything related with sex, still let people get born with not only the drive to procriate but also the tools? Wouldn't it be much easier, especially for him, to remove those? Hang on, weren't we made in his image? Why, I believe that would mean he Does it too!

Oh, sure, accuracy is the key. You select a number of things that you interpret in your own way (because they are vague enough)

Indeed. You can use revalations to prove anything. This guy (http://www.bushisantichrist.com/) use it to prove GW was the anti-christ.

By the way, if you believe in it, why reason is there to argue for it?

There's always a reason to argue.

Why, I believe that would mean he Does it too!

I've just had the most bizzare mental image.

You know I have been doing some thinking about somethings, so i have done some research on prophecy on Israel and also the endtimes, written in the bible some 2000+ yrs ago, that has so far all come true. let me give a few examples as cited by www.ineedjesus.com
(notice this also goes along with some end time prophecy)

I am respondign to this bit-by-bit knowing that most of this is not your work, Zilam. I do know you posted this out of intrigue and not necessarily belief, but I have done a bit of thinking about the Book of Revelations in comparison to some other end-of-world scenarios (Islam, Hinduism, Ragnarok.) They all have signs that seem to be coming true, but I assure you that not ALL of them are coming true. The ones below may be true, but they said there were 50 signs and this is only 11; last time I checked this is 39 short.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

I don't know how improbable that really is; it almost seems more like a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Jews had been given something of a hard time before that and felt the need to stick together as times got orse for them. Ultimately, people referred back to the idea of a Jewish state after the atrocity of the Holocaust as a means of keeping this from happening to them again.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

The location of Israel was probably the best they could have dome, both for religious and political reasons. Palestine was in constant overhaul, especialyl since the Europeans had to come and screw everything up in the Middle East, so sticking Israel in the Middle East couldn't have made things a while lot worse; it just shifted the focus. Israel's survival has to do with American support as much as any divine intervention.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

That isn't what they meant by "from the nations," though what they did mean is likely true as well/ After all, where else are people going to go when they are displaced but to other nations? At least after the Treaty of Westphalia, they didn't have much of a choice.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6.
The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the
people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:


A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.


B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.


C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I
do it for me"?



D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.



E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.




F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.




G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?



H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.


I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point?
Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.


7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.
Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2004) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.
Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9.
Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.



Ok so there are just 11 of some prophecies give..Now what is the chance that people 2000 yrs ago and before, could accuratly give such predictions? Im no mathmatician, but i can assume the number is astronomical. Also, i don't recall other "holy books" giving such accurate predictions so long ago. If I am wrong, then please site specific evidence. But, if this is right, then what excuse do you(rhetorical) have for not beleiving the word of God?



I will issue my response to the rest of this when I get off work. My glasses just broke - AGAIN, right before vacation...argfa...why does this ALWAYS HAPPEN TO ME... - and I have just 35 minutes left.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
Seems to me that the belief that Isreal would be reconstituted was a primary factor in it coming to pass. It happened because people believed that it should and would and acted in accordance with those beliefs.

Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things,
L Ron Hubbard foretold that many people would not believe his scripture too...

despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted.
Funnily enough Hubbard also claimed overwhelming evidence...so did that guy at Waco

As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.
If God really intended overwhelming evidence, wouldnt leaving clear evidence of this world-flood be a helpful hint...pretty hard to call something overwhelmingly evidenced when it appears to be utterly unevidenced and in fact contrary to available evidence...

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Many nations constituted in modernity happened at the very moment they happened....which evidently is always within a day (moments being of short duration, they tend not to span days but rather occur within them)...


3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Name a single country constituted in modernity that wasnt brought forth out of the nations...I know of no nation that was brought forth on a metorite or by mermaids emerging from the ocean...

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.
See reply to 1.

Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?
I personally knew people of that generation who have 'passed'.. heck I know people belonging to a couple of generations past that generation who have in fact 'passed'.

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.
Aha, that explains destiny church the bretheren and the fundamentalist right.....NOT:rolleyes:

Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day.
Fair enough, after all you yourself seem more concerned with books, fear and spiritual fruits than for Jesus... Ok, you win that one....

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The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the
people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:
You surely got this one wrong...!

A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.
And yet Satanism pre-dates Isreal.

B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.
Blame our ancestors, they had this tendency too...

C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I
do it for me"?
Are you referring to the age old art of masturbation, or the egoism that human beings appear to have displayed since, well since they were human beings?

D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.
You are pulling my leg now arent you?

E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.
Yeah not like those good folk that Moses rescued from the Egyptions....we should be as grateful as they are described as having been....oh, hang on...


F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.
Has it?

G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?
Yeah, we are sexually out of control, not like Lot and his daughters, they were a chaste group, or those Kings who kept trying to screw that guy's wife every time he pretended she was his sister, or that charming guy who was going to have his dead son's surviving wife put to death for prostitution until she produced evidence that proved he had in fact been her customer....if only modern people could have the sexual morals illucidated in the bible....:rolleyes:

H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.
Right, and of course before the 1940's people never went and had fun even though they knew to do so would be sinful and thus putting their love of pleasures above their love of God (let me guess you think adultory, gluttenly, theft and other commandment breaking sins, were never engaged in for pleasure before Isreal was reconsituted....?)


I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point?
You realise that before the bible was written, when it was being written, throughout all the changes it underwent, in fact pretty much throughout human history humans have taken drugs...?

Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night.
Some places they did actually, and some places they still dont...in fact a few hundred years ago a lot of folk did more than lock their doors at night, they built huge walls so they could 'lock their city' at night...

There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies.
What has 'profanity' got to do with anything?

One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.
?:confused: ? Er, no... unless you consider charming stuff like teachers abusing students to be less of a problem than gum chewing...

7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.
What's incrediable about that? We're talking about people who think every animal in the world (and in fact at least 2 of every species) can all fit on one boat...

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.
I dont believe the bible is published everywhere.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9. Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.
I dont think it did....Russia was to the North of where Israel is now a long time before Isreal was there (again as the case may be)...

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.
Er, it's not astounding, but rather wrong...Australia is more easterly than china and more 'end of the earth' but doesnt have a military of 200 million...so whether or not China actually does, (or could scrape one up in a pinch) is neither here nor there even if we can take China's word on it...

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC),
Is it?


Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.
Er no actually...

But, if this is right, then what excuse do you(rhetorical) have for not beleiving the word of God?
I dont need an excuse. I either do or do not believe, and I dont....:rolleyes:

Yeah, at Mt Megiddo.



The Plains of Meggido. To my knowledge, there is no Mt. Meggido.

While I'm doing that reading, could you provide some information specifically about Mt Megiddo? Yeah, I made a mistake there and forgot about some history. (My specialties in war history are the US civil war and the second world war, anyway.) However, the war in general wasn't the question, it was the war at Mt Megiddo.

Unfortunately, I don't have any specific information :D

It was mentioned in passing in one of my texbooks somewhere. I'll see if I can dig anything up :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_%281918%29

i couldn't agree more... also if you've heard the news in Har miggido, israel(hence the word armaggedon) they found the probably the first Christian church and that is where the last battle on earth where the Antichrist and god's army mainly the jews are supposed to battle at.
All the believers will be up in heaven during the rapture, and the jews and the anti christ battle it out. But lets say if your hindu or something else you choose a side, and after the battle there will be a treaty signed, and seven years before the Messiah comes to rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. and the devil locked up, before the end comes he will be release to get has many poeple on his side as possible then all will go up to heaven who believe at least the the devil and his follower thrown into the hot sulfur springs in which the false prophet and the beast were thrown in.

If the last battle is going to happen there - how do you know it didn't already, perhaps in the Great War, or even under Thutmoses III; and if so does that me that this is Hell? (sorry favourite question tossed out be a priest)

Okay I gotta ask: what the hell is this "rapture" thingy that I hear so many US fundamentalist types go on about? I mean seriously where is it's basis in scripture and the theological history of Christianity? Or is it just a matter of we need to use fear to empower the preacher, while offering the illusion of superiority to those that think they will "poof" be taken into heaven because they are better?

The only real book of revelations in my...er...book, is Neon Genesis: Evangelion! Has anyone ever seen such glorious anime?

Yeah, but that part of the Bible is in Greek.

Anyway, the word in Hebrew for "race" is geza' while the word for "generation" is dor.

Actually all of the Christian Bible was in Greek - in fact if I'm not mistaken the Old Testament even included some extra text that was lost in the Hebrew tradtion, but was re-incorporated into the Torah about a century or more ago.

Actually all of the Christian Bible was in Greek - in fact if I'm not mistaken the Old Testament even included some extra text that was lost in the Hebrew tradtion, but was re-incorporated into the Torah about a century or more ago.

Arahmaic IIRC... and nothing's been re-incorporated into the Torah for thousands of years.

Seems to me...
-snip-
....I dont need an excuse. I either do or do not believe, and I dont....:rolleyes:

An excellent rebuttal *applauds*

I find all of the explainations of the book of Revelations from the Christians scholars tend to be rather unbelievable because they approach the book from a strict literal interpretation. I just can't believe it was ever intended to be explaining physical events. It make more sense to my mind that this the final battle is an internal battle that everyone must make about spiritual matters. The following explanation has helped me considerably. It is only about half of the entire piece. I can post the rest if anyone wants to read it.


COMMENTARY ON THE ELEVENTH CHAPTER OF THE REVELATION OF ST. JOHN

In the beginning of the eleventh chapter of the Revelation of St. John it is said:

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

This reed is a Perfect Man Who is likened to a reed, and the manner of its likeness is this: when the interior of a reed is empty and free from all matter, it will produce beautiful melodies; and as the sound and melodies do not come from the reed, but from the flute player who blows upon it, so the sanctified heart of that blessed Being is free and emptied from all save God, pure and exempt from the attachments of all human conditions, and is the companion of the Divine Spirit. Whatever He utters is not from Himself, but from the real flute player, and it is a divine inspiration. That is why He is likened to a reed; and that reed is like a rod -- that is to say, it is the helper of every impotent one, and the support of human beings. It is the rod of the Divine Shepherd by which He guards His flock and leads them about the pastures of the Kingdom.

Then it is said: "The angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein" -- that is to say, compare and measure: measuring is the discovery of proportion. Thus the angel said: compare the temple of God and the altar and them that are praying therein -- that is to say, investigate what is their true condition and discover in what degree and state they are, and what conditions, perfections, behavior and attributes they possess; and make yourself cognizant of the mysteries of those holy souls who dwell in the Holy of Holies in purity and sanctity.

"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles."

In the beginning of the seventh century after Christ, when Jerusalem was conquered, the Holy of Holies was outwardly preserved -- that is to say, the house which Solomon built; but outside the Holy of Holies the outer court was taken and given to the Gentiles. "And the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months" -- that is to say, the Gentiles shall govern and control Jerusalem forty and two months, signifying twelve hundred and sixty days; and as each day signifies a year, by this reckoning it becomes twelve hundred and sixty years, which is the duration of the cycle of the Qur'án. For in the texts of the Holy Book, each day is a year; as it is said in the fourth chapter of Ezekiel, verse 6: "Thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year."

This prophesies the duration of the Dispensation of Islam when Jerusalem was trodden under foot, which means that it lost its glory -- but the Holy of Holies was preserved, guarded and respected -- until the year 1260. This twelve hundred and sixty years is a prophecy of the manifestation of the Báb, the "Gate" of Bahá'u'lláh, which took place in the year 1260 of the Hejira of Muhammad, and as the period of twelve hundred and sixty years has expired, Jerusalem, the Holy City, is now beginning to become prosperous, populous and flourishing. Anyone who saw Jerusalem sixty years ago, and who sees it now, will recognize how populous and flourishing it has become, and how it is again honored.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 44)

Okay I gotta ask: what the hell is this "rapture" thingy that I hear so many US fundamentalist types go on about? I mean seriously where is it's basis in scripture and the theological history of Christianity? Or is it just a matter of we need to use fear to empower the preacher, while offering the illusion of superiority to those that think they will "poof" be taken into heaven because they are better? I've heard that it's a convoluted extrapolation. Myself, I have seen no reason to believe it… if anyone can convince me, fine, but I think Christians will still have to fight the ground war.

If the last battle is going to happen there - how do you know it didn't already, perhaps in the Great War, or even under Thutmoses III; and if so does that me that this is Hell? (sorry favourite question tossed out be a priest)

Okay I gotta ask: what the hell is this "rapture" thingy that I hear so many US fundamentalist types go on about? I mean seriously where is it's basis in scripture and the theological history of Christianity? Or is it just a matter of we need to use fear to empower the preacher, while offering the illusion of superiority to those that think they will "poof" be taken into heaven because they are better?


It comes from a mistranslation of scripture (I'll look up the specific verses later, I have to leave soon), and also from their own sense of superiority.

1) You can't have free will without the presence of sin. thats just how it is. If we are to be truly free he has to allow the rebellion in the world. or else we will be mindless robots FORCED to love Him.


You can't have free will with an omniscient god either. If god knows everything then he knows everything that is going to happen, so everything that is going to happen is pre-ordained, therefore we have no free will.

Whew, am I glad I am a practicing goodhearted Roman Catholic. I got nothing to fear, and would embrace God's armegeddon.

(Also = The mayans say the world is also gonna end in bout 7 years, and they had no contact with the people who wrote the bible, this is gettin spooky, and mysteryious)

most religions believe this, including hinduism. the world must end so that it can again begin.. fresh start. cyclic. never-ending creation, maintenance, and dissolution. // if you eat meat, you are not good-hearted. :cool:

Vegetarianistica']most religions believe this, including hinduism. the world must end so that it can again begin.. fresh start. cyclic. never-ending creation, maintenance, and dissolution. // if you eat meat, you are not good-hearted. :cool:

Cycle, I think is the most correct term. It implies and an end but a continuation of a process. All or most religions have mentioned a time when the whole earth will be made new again. A new day that comes about after a spiritual rebirth of the populace of the world. A day when we all live together as one human family.

Well many of the sins that were mentioned have allways been a problem and I'm not sure the arguments that they are increasing are good ones. Maybe we are just more aware of them. But even so, it just means we are closer to the end times, it doesn't mean the end times are here.

I agree that many churches are luke-warm. Though, I prefer full imersion baptism, but wouldn't necessarly consider a church luke-warm simply because it doesn't. My understanding is that its a symbolic event in profession of your faith. Many people don't need to bring their Bibles to church since many have pew bibles and the scriptures up on powerpoint for people to use.

It seems that I often find myself partially agreeing with Zilam, but at the same time thinking he's gone a bit over the deep end.

I don't buy that. He's GOD. As in, ALL-POWERFUL. There is nothing he can't do. There is no "that's just how it is." God IS all that is! Did I mention he's God?

Therefore I assert you CAN have free will without the presence of sin. It's just that "God," if he exists, CHOSE not to do things like that. He WANTED sin. He CREATED it.

Can you have a three sided square

Can you have a two dimentional sphere

No, not because God is weak but because its logically impossible. In the same way you cant have the free will without the possibility of sin. Why? Because to have free will you have to be able to rebel. If God gave us free will without the ability to rebel, it wouldnt be free will would it? Because it wouldn't be free. We wouldnt be able to do something

November 1947 until May 1948 is slightly more than one days time. Of course, one day is with the lord as six months and six months is as one day maybe?

The Jews are still looking for their prophesied messiah. Their bible/torah claims he will be a warrior and will deliver the region back to them. Jesus did none of these things.

The 200 million in ezekiel is hyperbole, just as the walls of jericho falling at a shout is. While china may have 200 million, they could not support this many troops logistically. To send them would be to invite an embarassing disaster of troop starvation and rebellion. Not to mention running out of fuel and ammunition because of logistical problems.

Seems your god can't complete anything he supposedly started because his creations are keeping him from accomplishing his will. Thwarted by satan, kicked out of earth by adam and eve, and futher distanced by noah and his family. While you seem to savor the approach of human annihilation, I like to think we will continue with hope for better lives through reason and logic.

The homosexuals that were so thouroughly condemned in the book of romans were slaves. Young boys captured and forced to be prostitutes. Seems they were condemned for something beyond their control by an all loving egotistical prophet named paul. Who spoke on behalf of an all loving god.

The noah flood is a mythical telling of a local flood that follows the older enuma elish story of the babylonians.

The promises of a return by the christ have all failed according to matthew, mark and luke. He was supposed to return within the generation of those he was talking to. Only after that didn't happen did the church need apologists to excuse away the obvious failed prophecies and assign some future generation.

I will give you a prophecy that you can count on. Jesus will not return before 2006!

Now we have to remember that the bible was tampered with many times and isnt a true pure refrence to jesus or god. It is more of a guide than a real authentic account of god and jesus.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Matthew 24:36

November 1947 until May 1948 is slightly more than one days time. Of course, one day is with the lord as six months and six months is as one day maybe?

The Jews are still looking for their prophesied messiah. Their bible/torah claims he will be a warrior and will deliver the region back to them. Jesus did none of these things.

The 200 million in ezekiel is hyperbole, just as the walls of jericho falling at a shout is. While china may have 200 million, they could not support this many troops logistically. To send them would be to invite an embarassing disaster of troop starvation and rebellion. Not to mention running out of fuel and ammunition because of logistical problems.

Seems your god can't complete anything he supposedly started because his creations are keeping him from accomplishing his will. Thwarted by satan, kicked out of earth by adam and eve, and futher distanced by noah and his family. While you seem to savor the approach of human annihilation, I like to think we will continue with hope for better lives through reason and logic.

The homosexuals that were so thouroughly condemned in the book of romans were slaves. Young boys captured and forced to be prostitutes. Seems they were condemned for something beyond their control by an all loving egotistical prophet named paul. Who spoke on behalf of an all loving god.

The noah flood is a mythical telling of a local flood that follows the older enuma elish story of the babylonians.

The promises of a return by the christ have all failed according to matthew, mark and luke. He was supposed to return within the generation of those he was talking to. Only after that didn't happen did the church need apologists to excuse away the obvious failed prophecies and assign some future generation.

I will give you a prophecy that you can count on. Jesus will not return before 2006!

How do you know He hasn't already?

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Matthew 24:36

3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

(King James Bible, 2 Peter)

i have done some research on prophecy on Israel and also the endtimes, written in the bible some 2000+ yrs ago
Sez hoo? Yoo?

Pffft. Gullible, I see.

Good luck on that.

Can you have a three sided square

Can you have a two dimentional sphere

No, not because God is weak but because its logically impossible.

'God' is 'logically impossible'....

'God' is 'logically impossible'....
Although I am agnostic mostly, I will ask for you to explain how the concept of a deity existing is illogical, as opposed to the idea of the creation of something from nothing. Nihil ex nihilo.

Although I am agnostic mostly, I will ask for you to explain how the concept of a deity existing is illogical, as opposed to the idea of the creation of something from nothing. Nihil ex nihilo.

An omnipotent diety is logically impossible.

The idea really falls apart when you ask the question - Can God create a boulder so big/heavy/massive that he cannot lift it? Either way you deny his omnipotence.

If he can, then he suceeded in limiting himself, and is not omnipotent.
If he cannot, then he is missing a power and not omnipotent.

An omnipotent diety is logically impossible.

The idea really falls apart when you ask the question - Can God create a boulder so big/heavy/massive that he cannot lift it? Either way you deny his omnipotence.

If he can, then he suceeded in limiting himself, and is not omnipotent.
If he cannot, then he is missing a power and not omnipotent.
No, I meant a deity in general. Not an omnipotent one.

Although I am agnostic mostly, I will ask for you to explain how the concept of a deity existing is illogical, as opposed to the idea of the creation of something from nothing. Nihil ex nihilo.

I didn't say it was 'illogical', I said it was 'logically impossible'.

There is a mundane world, and everything that happens in that mundance world, is a mundane thing... explained by mundane mechanisms.

Example - a mundane item drops towards the mundane Earth, because of the mundane mechanism of acceleration due to the force of gravity.

If EVERY interaction can be explained by mundane mechanism, then there is no NEED for a god.

Indeed, 'god', as an explanation, is ONLY required when something VIOLATES the 'mundane' nature of the world... i.e. when something miraculous happens.

And, since logic dictates that, in a mundane world ONLY mundane things can happen... a 'miracle' MUST be something that is not constrained by the 'law' (if you will) that governs what is 'possible' in a mundane world.

Thus - a miracle, is a thing that is logically impossible in a mundane existence.

And a 'god', being the instrument of the logical impossibility in the logically possible world, must ALSO be 'logically impossible'... otherwise, 'he' is not 'god'... but just another name for a mundane mechanism, like Gravity.

No, I meant a deity in general. Not an omnipotent one.

There's this great series of "Nightside" books by Simon R. Green, where Gods who fall out of favor or lose worshippers wind up on a sort of skid row in the Nightside...

The lead character ends up talking to Neptune, who describes himself as being in charge of the oceans, and because of a bookkeeping error, horses.

No, I don't know why I brought this up.

3) most people truly don't believe in God, simply because they don't want to be accountable for their wrongdoing..so if there is no God, then they are not wrong...so thats why

So you're saying that it's ok to only do good things because you're afraid of being punished? I'd rather be friends with a group of atheists who are good people just to be good people because they feel this is the only lifetime, and people should spend it trying to make it easier and happier for others, then be surrounded by people who only "act" decently because of fear of punishment.

If you just behave one way because you are afraid of the consequences, that doesn't make you a good person. If the only reason you're not committing adultery, beating your kids, or stealing from grocery stores is because your afraid of Hell, then you're not a good person.

(Not saying the poster I'm responding to is any of that, just using a general "you".)

3) most people truly don't believe in God, simply because they don't want to be accountable for their wrongdoing..so if there is no God, then they are not wrong...so thats why

So you're saying that it's ok to only do good things because you're afraid of being punished? I'd rather be friends with a group of atheists who are good people just to be good people because they feel this is the only lifetime, and people should spend it trying to make it easier and happier for others, then be surrounded by people who only "act" decently because of fear of punishment.

If you just behave one way because you are afraid of the consequences, that doesn't make you a good person. If the only reason you're not committing adultery, beating your kids, or stealing from grocery stores is because your afraid of Hell, then you're not a good person.

(Not saying the poster I'm responding to is any of that, just using a general "you".)

I didn't say it was 'illogical', I said it was 'logically impossible'.

There is a mundane world, and everything that happens in that mundance world, is a mundane thing... explained by mundane mechanisms.

Example - a mundane item drops towards the mundane Earth, because of the mundane mechanism of acceleration due to the force of gravity.

If EVERY interaction can be explained by mundane mechanism, then there is no NEED for a god.

Indeed, 'god', as an explanation, is ONLY required when something VIOLATES the 'mundane' nature of the world... i.e. when something miraculous happens.

And, since logic dictates that, in a mundane world ONLY mundane things can happen... a 'miracle' MUST be something that is not constrained by the 'law' (if you will) that governs what is 'possible' in a mundane world.

Thus - a miracle, is a thing that is logically impossible in a mundane existence.

And a 'god', being the instrument of the logical impossibility in the logically possible world, must ALSO be 'logically impossible'... otherwise, 'he' is not 'god'... but just another name for a mundane mechanism, like Gravity.
This assumes a) the world is indeed mundane and b) that our knowledge of the universe is absolute. It also does little to explain our provenance. Scientific theory suggests that nothing can be created from nothing.

3) most people truly don't believe in God, simply because they don't want to be accountable for their wrongdoing..so if there is no God, then they are not wrong...so thats why

So you're saying that it's ok to only do good things because you're afraid of being punished? I'd rather be friends with a group of atheists who are good people just to be good people because they feel this is the only lifetime, and people should spend it trying to make it easier and happier for others, then be surrounded by people who only "act" decently because of fear of punishment.

If you just behave one way because you are afraid of the consequences, that doesn't make you a good person. If the only reason you're not committing adultery, beating your kids, or stealing from grocery stores is because your afraid of Hell, then you're not a good person.

(Not saying the poster I'm responding to is any of that, just using a general "you".)

I'm so going to go to hell.

Although i am a baptized catholic, my parents did not force me into religion. they left me to make my own decisions about that. i never read the bible until now, in a catholic high school (public all the way). i have some problems with the church and how it does things.
i have my own beliefs a out god and his nature.
god is always there waiting, and each person finds him in his own way.
i will extrapolate(word of the day :p ) later.

hooray God!

God doesn't exist, I killed him. Let me just say that the claims of his omnipotence are greatly exaggerated.