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Top striker in the world

Frangland
01-12-2005, 18:14
Who is the top striker in the world?

Please vote and discuss.
Damor
01-12-2005, 18:15
Who is the top striker in the world?

Please vote and discuss.They seem to be pretty good at striking in France and Italy..

oh wait, I guess there's a poll coming to explain what you actually mean :p
Frangland
01-12-2005, 18:22
hehe, yeah, SOCCER (or "football" to the rest of you)

strikers/forwards
Legless Pirates
01-12-2005, 18:24
They all suck
Secluded Islands
01-12-2005, 18:28
tiger woods...
Frangland
01-12-2005, 18:31
i couldn't fit all the top scorers on there... Pauleta, Morientes, Raul, Rooney, Owen, Forlan, etc...

I chose Gilardino. He and new strike mate Luca Toni are why Italy are arguably the deepest team in Europe in terms of striking depth.

Think about it:

Gilardino
Toni
Totti (...may play striker or attacking central midfielder)
Inzaghi
Iaquinta
Del Piero (utility midfielder/striker)

the best of the bunch is, imo, Gilardino... with Luca Toni coming on strong. Italy might actually be able to score some goals at the next world cup. hehe
OceanDrive2
01-12-2005, 18:53
The top Player...bar none.. is rite here.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051130/capt.th10111301754.soccer_fifa_player_of_the_year_th101.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SPORT/football/11/30/fifa.ronaldinho/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Aust
01-12-2005, 19:02
Henry. followed by ronaldinio and Rooney.
Psychotic Mongooses
01-12-2005, 19:05
:eek: I have to agree with Ronaldinho. Seeing him in training thwack the crossbar from a volley on the outside of the box, it comes straight back to him as he chests it down... volleys it again, hits the crossbar in the same place, it rebounds AGAIN to his chest... he does this 4 times before the ball even touches the ground :eek:
Frangland
01-12-2005, 19:07
The top Player...bar none.. is rite here.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051130/capt.th10111301754.soccer_fifa_player_of_the_year_th101.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SPORT/football/11/30/fifa.ronaldinho/index.html?section=cnn_latest

...I was under the impression that Ronaldinho is not a striker...

but that he's an attacking central midfielder.

i specifically left him off the list because he's not a sttriker.

same with other greats like Ballack, Totti, Zidane, Lampard and Gerrard. They're great central midfielders who can score, but they're not strikers.
Aust
01-12-2005, 19:08
...I was under the impression that Ronaldinho is not a striker...

but that he's an attacking central midfielder.
whats the diffrence?
Frangland
01-12-2005, 19:12
whats the diffrence?

in a 4-4-2 formation, you have two strikers... the guys in the box either creating their own shots or waiting for crosses/passes from the attack support (generally midfielders, but of course defensive players come forward sometimes).

i'm talking about the two in front... the assassins.

like Henry and van Persie at Arsenal

Rooney and van Nistelrooij at ManU

Gilardino and Shevchenko at Milan

Trezeguet and Ibrahimovich at Juve

Drogba and Crespo at Chelsea (though Chelsea often go 4-5-1 with only one striker/forward)

etc.
Frangland
01-12-2005, 19:17
whats the diffrence?

some notable attacking central midfielders:

Lampard - England/Chelsea

Zidane - France/Real Madrid

Rosicky - Czech Rep/Dortmund

Vieira - France (shared with Zidane)/Juventus

Andrea Pirlo - Italy/Milan

Juan Riquelme - Argentina/Villareal


isn't Deco the #2 striker at Barcelona? Crap, now i'm confused.

I know Eto-o is one of their strikers. I know Deco is in attack too, and ronaldinho obviously.

Who is Barca's second striker?
I Love Oranges
01-12-2005, 19:32
i don't think that crespo or drogba deserve to be on that list at all, crespo should have in the past, but he is no longer a chelsea regular, and drogba hasn't proved himself at the highest level.

henry is the best all round forward on that list, following him is shevchenko and van nistelrooy
Eastern Baltia
01-12-2005, 19:34
Milan Baroš. He will prove that as soon as he leave Liverpool.

And also Henrik Larrson. But I'm frustrated as he left Glasgow.

Glory Glory Glasgow Celtic :D
I Love Oranges
01-12-2005, 19:49
Milan Baroš. He will prove that as soon as he leave Liverpool.

And also Henrik Larrson. But I'm frustrated as he left Glasgow.

Glory Glory Glasgow Celtic :D

Milan Baros left Liverpool :confused: he plays for Aston Villa now and is doing ok, not spectacular but not bad either. and Larrson was an unbelievable striker but he is injured now and wouldn't be on that list anyway
Sonaj
01-12-2005, 19:51
Now then, this gives me a problem. On one hand, Zlatan impressess me greatly (the fact that he's a swede hightens it, but come on... you're all the same wether you know it or not :p ) but on the other hand I hate him and everything about him, so I'll go with Schevy. He's old, but my god he can shoot.

And we miss Henke here as well.
Aust
01-12-2005, 22:08
I know tjhe diffrence between a AM, and a ST, but often it's hard to tell the diffrence, I've always thought of AM and ST haveing a smililar role, just that AM come from deeper. Not that i see many AM's at the City Ground.

And I think you missed gerrard off that list.
Psychotic Mongooses
01-12-2005, 22:15
isn't Deco the #2 striker at Barcelona? Crap, now i'm confused.

I know Eto-o is one of their strikers. I know Deco is in attack too, and ronaldinho obviously.

Who is Barca's second striker?

Deco is midfield. Kinda like a Viera, Keane or Essien role.

The barca strikers per se are: Larsson (SWE), Giuly (FRA), Eto'o (CAM), Maxi Lopez (ARG) are the main ones but Ronaldhino would normally play in the pocket just behind them. He's much more devastating that way.

On a side note; I'm trying to get tickets for the Barca vs Deportivo match in March. :D
Frangland
01-12-2005, 22:21
I know tjhe diffrence between a AM, and a ST, but often it's hard to tell the diffrence, I've always thought of AM and ST haveing a smililar role, just that AM come from deeper. Not that i see many AM's at the City Ground.

And I think you missed gerrard off that list.

yah, i love Gerrard (as a player. hehe).

BRITS:

between Gerrard and Lampard, when they're on the pitch for England... which of them will take the more defensive central role and which will take the attacking central role?
Frangland
01-12-2005, 22:23
and when i think 4-4-2, i visualize it like this:

X X

X X X X

X X X X
Frangland
01-12-2005, 22:24
crap, that didn't come out right

.........X.....X...........


X.......X.....X..........X


X.......X.....X..........X
Psychotic Mongooses
01-12-2005, 22:24
and when i think 4-4-2, i visualize it like this:

X X

X X X X

X X X X

Kinky :p :p
Frangland
01-12-2005, 22:29
Deco is midfield. Kinda like a Viera, Keane or Essien role.

The barca strikers per se are: Larsson (SWE), Giuly (FRA), Eto'o (CAM), Maxi Lopez (ARG) are the main ones but Ronaldhino would normally play in the pocket just behind them. He's much more devastating that way.

On a side note; I'm trying to get tickets for the Barca vs Deportivo match in March. :D

Thanks for that clarification. I wish Lippi would use Totti the same way Ronaldinho is used for Barca -- Totti's not as good as Ronaldinho, but he'd be best utilized as an attacking midfielder imo -- he's a good enough passer. Pirlo could then move to the defensive central midfielder spot. And they could

a)Keep Totti on the field (he's still probably Italy's best all around offensive player)

and

b)Allow for the Toni/Gilardino partnership to blossom in the two forward spots
-------------------

Didn't Deportivo used to be the solid #3 club in Spain behind Real and Barca?

I mean i'd heard of them long before I actually started watching European soccer two years ago (namely EPL, or whatever's on Fox Soccer Channel).
Frangland
01-12-2005, 22:31
Kinky :p :p

hehe
Aust
01-12-2005, 22:35
yah, i love Gerrard (as a player. hehe).

BRITS:

between Gerrard and Lampard, when they're on the pitch for England... which of them will take the more defensive central role and which will take the attacking central role?
Garrard defensive, lampard attacking, though i would actaully drop lampard and play with gerrard attacking and jenas as a defensive mid. (Being a Forest fan I'm biased though!)
Eutrusca
01-12-2005, 22:37
Who is the top striker in the world?

Please vote and discuss.
WTF is a "striker?" :confused:
Aust
01-12-2005, 22:49
WTF is a "striker?" :confused:
In fottball you ahve 4 types of players, goalkeepers, defenders, midfeilder and strikers. Strikers score goals (Though defenders and midfeilders and even, rarely, keepers can.)
Dehny
01-12-2005, 22:52
Milan Baroš. He will prove that as soon as he leave Liverpool.

And also Henrik Larrson. But I'm frustrated as he left Glasgow.

Glory Glory Glasgow Celtic :D


heres me thinking im the only Celt fan on NS

best in the world right now is Ronaldinho, Schvenchko is close

rooney will be an outstanding player in years to come, if only hed get his temper under control, using it to focus himself rather than focusing the opposition
Isselmere
01-12-2005, 23:04
Shevchenko. In the English Premiership, I'd grudgingly have to say Henry (though I laugh madly whenever he misses) followed by Rooney.
Frangland
01-12-2005, 23:08
WTF is a "striker?" :confused:

the guys whose primary job is to score goals... in a basic 4-4-2 alignment, there are four defenders, four midfielders, and two strikers.

Euros, check me if I get this wrong:

Defense:
Left back
Left-center back
Right-center back
Right back

Midfield:
Left Wing
Defensive Central Midfielder
Attacking Central Midfielder
Right Wing

...and then the aforementioned two strikers (AKA forwards)
Eutrusca
01-12-2005, 23:12
In fottball you ahve 4 types of players, goalkeepers, defenders, midfeilder and strikers. Strikers score goals (Though defenders and midfeilders and even, rarely, keepers can.)
Ok. Thank you for the explanation. :)
Hyridian
01-12-2005, 23:27
two words:


Harry Potter
Tomasalia
02-12-2005, 00:18
A lot of teams now play two strikers, one of whom drops off and come short, so you end up with a sort of 4-1-1 formation

.............X
.......X

X.....X....X....X

X.....X....X....X

.........X

And it's generally accepted that they're still strikers though the line is blurred, Ronaldinho does it best but Rooney's learning fast.

Ronaldinho or Henry for me (even if Van Nistelrooy is a more prolific goalscorer) those two players can create something from nothing.
Neu Leonstein
02-12-2005, 00:35
Ruud van Nistelrooy must be the single worst player in the history of the world. I hate the guy's guts.

A Dutch Footballplayer, playing in England. I don't think it could get any worse.

Best Striker ever - Gerd Müller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_M%C3%BCller).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1645000/images/_1645764_muller2_as.jpg
On the Left...the other guy is Paul Breitner.
Frangland
02-12-2005, 00:46
A lot of teams now play two strikers, one of whom drops off and come short, so you end up with a sort of 4-1-1 formation

.............X
.......X

X.....X....X....X

X.....X....X....X

.........X

And it's generally accepted that they're still strikers though the line is blurred, Ronaldinho does it best but Rooney's learning fast.

Ronaldinho or Henry for me (even if Van Nistelrooy is a more prolific goalscorer) those two players can create something from nothing.

both are also awesome passers/playmakers... they're just fantastic attacking players.

van Nistelrooy just recently scored his first EPL goal from outside the box in something like 2 years. lol

almost all the goals i've ever seen him score have been within about 15 feet of the net.
Frangland
02-12-2005, 00:48
Ruud van Nistelrooy must be the single worst player in the history of the world. I hate the guy's guts.

A Dutch Footballplayer, playing in England. I don't think it could get any worse.

Best Striker ever - Gerd Müller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_M%C3%BCller).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1645000/images/_1645764_muller2_as.jpg
On the Left...the other guy is Paul Breitner.

where would Paolo Rossi rank among the top forwards/goal-scorers of all time? (I'm not Italian but am a fan of the Azzurri... ever since being there for their big win over Holland at Euro 00 with 10 men and then the agonizing loss to France in the finals, in which Italy snatched the agony of defeat from the jaws of victory.)
Neu Leonstein
02-12-2005, 01:28
where would Paolo Rossi rank among the top forwards/goal-scorers of all time?
Well, Pelé says he's in the top 125. To be honest, I've never seen him play (I watched repeats of a few classic games from the 1974 World Cup - that's how I know about Müller), so I can't tell.

But:
Rossi - 20 goals in 48 matches
Müller - 68 goals in 62 matches (plus 365 goals in 427 domestic matches)
Boonytopia
02-12-2005, 11:47
Ronaldinho. He has a curly mullet & buck teeth.
Harlesburg
02-12-2005, 12:02
My Dad he beats me Black and Blue.:(
Boonytopia
02-12-2005, 12:09
Ruud van Nistelrooy must be the single worst player in the history of the world. I hate the guy's guts.

A Dutch Footballplayer, playing in England. I don't think it could get any worse.

Best Striker ever - Gerd Müller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_M%C3%BCller).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1645000/images/_1645764_muller2_as.jpg
On the Left...the other guy is Paul Breitner.

Rudi Voller was way better, his mullet was unchallenged.
Harlesburg
02-12-2005, 12:13
Just so you know.
Notch up another point for Thierry Henry.
I V Stalin
02-12-2005, 14:20
Best out and out striker would be Shevchenko; I don't really class Henry as a striker - more a roaming goalscorer. Strikers will generally play in and around the box, rarely coming back into their own half. Henry goes all over the place - left wing, right wing, central midfield, box...
Arsenal have no conventional 'strikers' in their first team. Bergkamp, Henry, Reyes, van Persie don't conform to that position in the way that, say, van Nistelrooy does. Of course, they've got Lupoli and Owusu-Abeyie who are pretty much strikers (Lupoli most certainly is).
The only other players in the poll who come close to being as good as Shevchenko or Henry are Gilardino and Eto'o (who's on the shortlist for World Player of the Year, deservedly so. Ronaldinho will win it of course, Lampard second).
FireAntz
02-12-2005, 14:48
Chuck Liddell (http://www.icemanmma.com/)

You never specified what sport!:D
Frangland
02-12-2005, 15:16
Garrard defensive, lampard attacking, though i would actaully drop lampard and play with gerrard attacking and jenas as a defensive mid. (Being a Forest fan I'm biased though!)

doesn't Jenas play for Newcastle? Crap, no, he's with ... shoot, don't tell me... Spurs?

okay, please remind me again where Jenas is currently playing. hehe
Frangland
02-12-2005, 15:18
Rudi Voller was way better, his mullet was unchallenged.

lol, ya gotta hand it to guys who aspire to look like Beavis and Joe Dirt. The mullet always acts as a tie-breaker.
Sonaj
02-12-2005, 15:38
Ruud van Nistelrooy must be the single worst player in the history of the world. I hate the guy's guts.

A Dutch Footballplayer, playing in England. I don't think it could get any worse.

Best Striker ever - Gerd Müller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_M%C3%BCller).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1645000/images/_1645764_muller2_as.jpg
On the Left...the other guy is Paul Breitner.
What about Pelé? 77 international goals in 92 app. is pretty good... A total of 1281 goals in 1363 matches should put him in the top, no?
Canada6
02-12-2005, 15:42
Adriano@Inter
Frangland
02-12-2005, 15:48
Adriano@Inter

CRAP! How did I forget Adriano?!

yah, that guy is awesome... strength and skill.
Harlesburg
02-12-2005, 22:13
Best out and out striker would be Shevchenko; I don't really class Henry as a striker - more a roaming goalscorer. Strikers will generally play in and around the box, rarely coming back into their own half. Henry goes all over the place - left wing, right wing, central midfield, box...
Arsenal have no conventional 'strikers' in their first team. Bergkamp, Henry, Reyes, van Persie don't conform to that position in the way that, say, van Nistelrooy does. Of course, they've got Lupoli and Owusu-Abeyie who are pretty much strikers (Lupoli most certainly is).
The only other players in the poll who come close to being as good as Shevchenko or Henry are Gilardino and Eto'o (who's on the shortlist for World Player of the Year, deservedly so. Ronaldinho will win it of course, Lampard second).
That is a very good point Henry is 'just' a goal scorer he is a World Class Finisher.
But Ronaldinho is a Monkey. <.<
I V Stalin
02-12-2005, 22:21
Garrard defensive, lampard attacking, though i would actaully drop lampard and play with gerrard attacking and jenas as a defensive mid. (Being a Forest fan I'm biased though!)
WHAT?!?!:confused: Fuck that shit! Lampard's the best player England's produced since...ever!
England midfield should be: Gerrard on left, kinda roaming into the middle, Lampard with pretty much a free role in midfield, Beckham on the right, and 'Deadly' Ledley King as a holding player...
Also, we should just use Ferdinand, Terry, and Cole at the back, with Shaun Wright-Phillips going up and down the right...yeah, he'll get knackered eventually, but then we can put on Gary Neville and revert to a 4-4-2. So long as Beckham and Wright-Phillips get back, we'll have no problems down the right.
Sorry for the minor hijack.
Frangland
02-12-2005, 22:51
WHAT?!?!:confused: Fuck that shit! Lampard's the best player England's produced since...ever!
England midfield should be: Gerrard on left, kinda roaming into the middle, Lampard with pretty much a free role in midfield, Beckham on the right, and 'Deadly' Ledley King as a holding player...
Also, we should just use Ferdinand, Terry, and Cole at the back, with Shaun Wright-Phillips going up and down the right...yeah, he'll get knackered eventually, but then we can put on Gary Neville and revert to a 4-4-2. So long as Beckham and Wright-Phillips get back, we'll have no problems down the right.
Sorry for the minor hijack.

How about this:

Lampard and Rooney both playing attacking midfield spots... when push comes to shove, Lamps could drop back

Gerrard on the left (great suggestion -- gerrard has to be on the field) with Beckham on the right... Joe Cole in reserve for Gerrard and Wright-Phillips in reserve for Beckham (or, really, any midfield spot)

in back, let's go Neville/Terry/Ferdinand (or Campbell)/Cole -- since Rooney and Lampard make for a really offensive-minded midfield, England would need its best 4 in back.

at striker: Michael Owen, Jermain DeFoe (Crouch/Smith in reserve... Smith could also serve as a utility midfielder)

so:

Left Back: Ahsley Cole
Center Back: John Terry
Center Back: Rio Ferdinand
Right Back: Gary Neville

Left Wing: Steven Gerrard
CM: Frank Lampard
ACM: Wayne Rooney
Right Wing: David Beckham

Forward: Jermain Defoe
Forward: Michael Owen

Reserves
Defense: King, Woodgate, Campbell, Carragher
Midfield: Hargreaves, Wright-Phillips, Smith, Cole
Forward: Crouch, Vassell

That starting 11 would be a great attacking team... with enough strength at the back to make scoring on the Lions tough.
Hullepupp
02-12-2005, 23:11
:eek: I have to agree with Ronaldinho. Seeing him in training thwack the crossbar from a volley on the outside of the box, it comes straight back to him as he chests it down... volleys it again, hits the crossbar in the same place, it rebounds AGAIN to his chest... he does this 4 times before the ball even touches the ground :eek:


Yes Ronaldinho is the best
Bakamyht
02-12-2005, 23:24
isn't Deco the #2 striker at Barcelona? Crap, now i'm confused.

Who is Barca's second striker?

Deco is an attacking midfielder, like Ronaldinho. Barcelona's second striker is Henrik Larsson as far as I'm aware.
I V Stalin
02-12-2005, 23:25
Left Back: Ahsley Cole
Center Back: John Terry
Center Back: Rio Ferdinand
Right Back: Gary Neville

Left Wing: Steven Gerrard
CM: Frank Lampard
ACM: Wayne Rooney
Right Wing: David Beckham

Forward: Jermain Defoe
Forward: Michael Owen

Reserves
Defense: King, Woodgate, Campbell, Carragher
Midfield: Hargreaves, Wright-Phillips, Smith, Cole
Forward: Crouch, Vassell

That starting 11 would be a great attacking team... with enough strength at the back to make scoring on the Lions tough.

I'd much rather have a 5 man midfield with Gerrard, King, Lampard, Rooney, Beckham, with just Owen up front, than have a four man midfield and play Defoe. The guy just can't cut it internationally. He shines at Spurs because there are few excellent players there (let alone world-class), and the majority of his goals in the Premiership are scored against weaker opposition. With Rooney and Lampard in forward positions in midfield (Rooney perhaps more attacking), you don't need two out-and-out strikers.

And Crouch would be absolutely nowhere near the team.
Neu Leonstein
03-12-2005, 01:04
What about Pelé? 77 international goals in 92 app. is pretty good... A total of 1281 goals in 1363 matches should put him in the top, no?
Well yes...but he didn't win the '74 world cup for Germany, did he? :D

Nah, seriously, if I really had to pick the top footballer ever, Pelé would probably be it. But Müller is still my emotional favourite.
Tomasalia
03-12-2005, 01:10
Ever would have to be Pele (Best player ever IMHO) with Maradona in at second.

Van Niistelrooy doesn't score many from outside the box, but he's clinical inside the box, a natural poacher (in the Premiership, he has a better goals to games record than Henry).

Ronaldinho is a striker, though the line is blurred between Striker dropping off a la Bergkamp etc and an Attacking Mid like Lampard. But I'm going to count him as a Striker, and stick with Ronaldinho as the best in the world.

Depends what you want from a striker, someone who will score chances more often than anyone else, or someone who will create chances, but perhaps not score as many.

Pele-all time
Ronaldinho-now
Canada6
03-12-2005, 01:38
I'd place Maradona ahead of Pele. I think Pele is great but Maradona was the greatest for me.
Cheese penguins
03-12-2005, 01:40
He may of recently passed away but i am saying George Best, how many people can strike at an angle like he could answer, 1! Himself!! you cannot beat the pure quality he had on the pitch as an all round player and striker.
I V Stalin
03-12-2005, 01:45
He may of recently passed away but i am saying George Best -snip- you cannot beat the pure quality he had on the pitch as an all round player.
Yes, you can. Pele was better, Maradona was better, Cruyff was better, Platini was better. Hell, Johnny Rep was better. And in the modern game, Zidane's better, Henry, Ronaldinho, maybe Bergkamp (not now, but at his peak), Lampard - they're all better. Best was an excellent player, but he was never truly world class.
Canada6
03-12-2005, 01:48
He may of recently passed away but i am saying George Best, how many people can strike at an angle like he could answer, 1! Himself!! you cannot beat the pure quality he had on the pitch as an all round player and striker.
There is nothing Best could do that Maradona couldn't do better.


In practice Maradona could put the ball in the net, curving it in from the goal line from a few metres away, every single time.
Funky Beat
03-12-2005, 09:04
Just to clear the confusion, Ronaldinho, Deco, and Lampard for that matter, are NOT strikers. Deco and Ronaldinho are both attacking midfielders (not the same thing as a striker), and Lampard is a central midfielder.

Ronaldo: I still think he has that magic. But two knee reconstrucitons and age are against him. I think we'll see him at Germany '06, but past that...

Robinho: Give the boy five years. Only player to ever be booked for too many step-overs.

Henry: Mercurial skill, but no headers!

Adriano: My pick. Strong, skillful, shame about the attitude...

Eto'o: One of the very best. why, may I ask Florentino Perez, did we sell him?

Ibrahimovic: He's my favourite, but I don't think he is the best on the list. He's the best to watch, IMO. tall, strong, elegant, and gorgeous control. On a par with Ronaldinho.

There are many, many more, but they are the very best, I believe. Well, maybe not the first two, but I'm a Real fan... :p
Aust
03-12-2005, 10:41
How about this:

Lampard and Rooney both playing attacking midfield spots... when push comes to shove, Lamps could drop back

Gerrard on the left (great suggestion -- gerrard has to be on the field) with Beckham on the right... Joe Cole in reserve for Gerrard and Wright-Phillips in reserve for Beckham (or, really, any midfield spot)

in back, let's go Neville/Terry/Ferdinand (or Campbell)/Cole -- since Rooney and Lampard make for a really offensive-minded midfield, England would need its best 4 in back.

at striker: Michael Owen, Jermain DeFoe (Crouch/Smith in reserve... Smith could also serve as a utility midfielder)

so:

Left Back: Ahsley Cole
Center Back: John Terry
Center Back: Rio Ferdinand
Right Back: Gary Neville

Left Wing: Steven Gerrard
CM: Frank Lampard
ACM: Wayne Rooney
Right Wing: David Beckham

Forward: Jermain Defoe
Forward: Michael Owen

Reserves
Defense: King, Woodgate, Campbell, Carragher
Midfield: Hargreaves, Wright-Phillips, Smith, Cole
Forward: Crouch, Vassell

That starting 11 would be a great attacking team... with enough strength at the back to make scoring on the Lions tough.
.............. Robinson
A.Cole....Terry.......Rio........Neville
................Jenas/King

J.Cole...............................Becks

..................Gerrard

...........................Rooney
....................Owen

Great back 4, protected by Jenas/king, Cole can run at the oppersition and Becks can hit beatutiful passes from anywhere. Owen is a great finisher who can use the through balls from Rooney and Gerrard, and Rooney is just Rooney. Lampard is no where near as good as gerrard.

2nd team
................Kirkland
Bridge......Sol........Daws......Young
...................Jenas/King
Richardson........................SWP
...................Lampard
.............Defoe..............Crouch

A second team that can compete with the 1st, Kirklands a great keeper, The only weak spot in that abck four is Bridge and he's still a great player once back to fitness. Good attacking midfeild that can run at peaple. A big/Little man combo upfront, Defoe can run off crouchs nod downs (Which is what crouch is good at-setting up goals not scoring them.)
Gartref
03-12-2005, 10:53
Who is the top striker in the world?

Lech Wałęsa .
Shamoley
03-12-2005, 11:49
Clearly it is Neil Shipperly.
The Scientists
03-12-2005, 12:49
Clearly it is Neil Shipperly.

Or Dougie Freedman...

Seriously, though, Michael Owen. But I'm only saying that because I support the Toon.
The Scientists
03-12-2005, 12:52
J
Henry: Mercurial skill, but no headers!


WTF? I've seen him score with plenty of headers. It may not be the best part of his game but let's not get silly.
Shamoley
03-12-2005, 12:54
Has Ronaldo (The REAL Ronaldo) ever scored with a header?
The Scientists
03-12-2005, 12:59
Has Ronaldo (The REAL Ronaldo) ever scored with a header?

I assume by "The REAL" Ronaldo you're referring to my friend Dave. To answer your question, yes, yes he has.
Shamoley
03-12-2005, 13:02
Of course I was referring to your friend Dave! How many OTHER Ronaldos do you know??
The Scientists
03-12-2005, 13:04
Of course I was referring to your friend Dave! How many OTHER Ronaldos do you know??

Seven.
Shamoley
03-12-2005, 13:06
A certain Burger chain in South America is called Ronaldo Mcdonaldo's.
I V Stalin
03-12-2005, 15:01
2nd team
................Kirkland
Bridge......Sol........Daws......Young
...................Jenas/King
Richardson........................SWP
...................Lampard
.............Defoe..............Crouch

A second team that can compete with the 1st, Kirklands a great keeper, The only weak spot in that abck four is Bridge and he's still a great player once back to fitness. Good attacking midfeild that can run at peaple. A big/Little man combo upfront, Defoe can run off crouchs nod downs (Which is what crouch is good at-setting up goals not scoring them.)
Are you insane? Lampard is the best English player around at the moment, possibly the best English player ever, and you want to put him in a 'second' English team? At the expense of Joe Cole? Who you put on the right, by the way...England's midfield should be these 5: Rooney (as a very attacking midfielder) Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, and King. Jenas wouldn't even make it into my second team. And sod Peter Crouch, put Darren Bent up front, or David Bentley - players who can actually score.
Spurland
03-12-2005, 15:12
Robbie Keane!
Shamoley
03-12-2005, 15:13
Pete isn't doing too badly right this minute...
Frencquez
03-12-2005, 15:25
some notable attacking central midfielders:

Lampard - England/Chelsea

Zidane - France/Real Madrid

Rosicky - Czech Rep/Dortmund

Vieira - France (shared with Zidane)/Juventus

Andrea Pirlo - Italy/Milan

Juan Riquelme - Argentina/Villareal


isn't Deco the #2 striker at Barcelona? Crap, now i'm confused.

I know Eto-o is one of their strikers. I know Deco is in attack too, and ronaldinho obviously.

Who is Barca's second striker?


You're right, Frangland. Besides, attacking midfielders have often superior striking skills (such as Platini, Cruyff, Ronaldinho...), but I have to say that, in my view, Patrick Viera (Juventus) is a defending midfielder, both in Juve and in French national team. ;)

As for the second Barcelona striker, there is none. Eto'o is assisted by Messi, Ronaldinho, Deco, Giuly and/or Xavi (currently injured, reportedly out for 6 months).
I V Stalin
03-12-2005, 15:38
As for the second Barcelona striker, there is none. Eto'o is assisted by Messi, Ronaldinho, Deco, Giuly and/or Xavi (currently injured, reportedly out for 6 months).
What about Henrik Larsson? Or has he left and I missed it?
I Love Oranges
03-12-2005, 15:47
What about Henrik Larsson? Or has he left and I missed it?

he fecked up his cruciate again a while ago and is injured, as far as i know
Frencquez
03-12-2005, 16:02
What about Henrik Larsson? Or has he left and I missed it?

You are right. Larsson is also a Barcelona's striker. But he seldom plays with Eto'o on his side. He rather plays as a (first class) substitute for any attacker. Maybe when Larsson will be in top-form, Rijkard will line them up in attack, but for the moment, Eto'o may be considered the only "true-blue" striker available.
Kradlumania
03-12-2005, 16:31
Peter Crouch ;)
Aust
03-12-2005, 18:26
Are you insane? Lampard is the best English player around at the moment, possibly the best English player ever, and you want to put him in a 'second' English team? At the expense of Joe Cole? Who you put on the right, by the way...England's midfield should be these 5: Rooney (as a very attacking midfielder) Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, and King. Jenas wouldn't even make it into my second team. And sod Peter Crouch, put Darren Bent up front, or David Bentley - players who can actually score.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Lampard, best English player at the moment, HAHAHAHAHA, Heres a few examples of better players, Gerrard, Owen, Rooney, Ferdinand, Cole, Beckham, SWP, King, Terry and Ashley Cole. And greatest of all time, don't make me laugh, few more examples, Pearce, Chalton, Moore, Shilton, Clough, Walker, Keegan, Liniker and many more> How the hell can you say that.

Lampard is a great player but he and Gerrard can't play with each other, Gerrard is better so he's in the team, you need a holding midfeilder to let gerrard be at his best. Rooney is best playing just behind Owen so he can do his stuff. How do you prepose to fit those 4 into a team, Becks on the right but three Centeral Midfeilders (Before you say Gerrard on the left, we tried that-it failed.)

Crouch has just scored 2 BTW, and he sets up stuff, wins things no one esle can. Devid bentley better than Coruch don't make me laugh!

Oh and it was from left to right BTW, hence the two Coles being on the same side.
Aust
03-12-2005, 18:26
Are you insane? Lampard is the best English player around at the moment, possibly the best English player ever, and you want to put him in a 'second' English team? At the expense of Joe Cole? Who you put on the right, by the way...England's midfield should be these 5: Rooney (as a very attacking midfielder) Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, and King. Jenas wouldn't even make it into my second team. And sod Peter Crouch, put Darren Bent up front, or David Bentley - players who can actually score.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Lampard, best English player at the moment, HAHAHAHAHA, Heres a few examples of better players, Gerrard, Owen, Rooney, Ferdinand, Cole, Beckham, SWP, King, Terry and Ashley Cole. And greatest of all time, don't make me laugh, few more examples, Pearce, Chalton, Moore, Shilton, Clough, Walker, Keegan, Liniker and many more> How the hell can you say that.

Lampard is a great player but he and Gerrard can't play with each other, Gerrard is better so he's in the team, you need a holding midfeilder to let gerrard be at his best. Rooney is best playing just behind Owen so he can do his stuff. How do you prepose to fit those 4 into a team, Becks on the right but three Centeral Midfeilders (Before you say Gerrard on the left, we tried that-it failed.)

Crouch has just scored 2 BTW, and he sets up stuff, wins things no one esle can. Devid bentley better than Coruch don't make me laugh!

Oh and it was from left to right BTW, hence the two Coles being on the same side.
I V Stalin
03-12-2005, 19:01
HAHAHAHAHAHA Lampard, best English player at the moment, HAHAHAHAHA, Heres a few examples of better players, Gerrard, Owen, Rooney, Ferdinand, Cole, Beckham, SWP, King, Terry and Ashley Cole. And greatest of all time, don't make me laugh, few more examples, Pearce, Chalton, Moore, Shilton, Clough, Walker, Keegan, Liniker and many more> How the hell can you say that.

Lampard is a great player but he and Gerrard can't play with each other, Gerrard is better so he's in the team, you need a holding midfeilder to let gerrard be at his best. Rooney is best playing just behind Owen so he can do his stuff. How do you prepose to fit those 4 into a team, Becks on the right but three Centeral Midfeilders (Before you say Gerrard on the left, we tried that-it failed.)

Crouch has just scored 2 BTW, and he sets up stuff, wins things no one esle can. Devid bentley better than Coruch don't make me laugh!

Oh and it was from left to right BTW, hence the two Coles being on the same side.
Have you ever seen Lampard actually play? His passing, shooting, movement, pace, creativity, and workrate are superior to pretty much every player in the country. The only better player in England right now is Thierry Henry.
Aust
03-12-2005, 19:19
Have you ever seen Lampard actually play? His passing, shooting, movement, pace, creativity, and workrate are superior to pretty much every player in the country. The only better player in England right now is Thierry Henry.
many a time, and he's not that great, he's got a great shot, and works hard but pace and creativity are not strong points, watch lampard and then watch Gerrard, theres a great diffrence-in Gerrards favour.