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I've been watching through the television guide and the synopsis of programmes, and here is something I need to know; who is behind this motivation to 'spruce' up guys? I mean, we have 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy', we have whole new range of body care products specially for men, we now have articles on news (TV3 Latenews (NZ)) 'teaching southern men how to Christmas shop'.

This is coming from a gay male - why doesn't society simply allow blokes be blokes; if a straight guy (or gay!) like being a bloke, likes having a pizza, a beer, and a few mates around, why the hell is there some sort of 'movement' by people out there to change these guys into 'psuedo-queers'?

Sorry ladies, but don't see your guy as some sort of 'rennovation rescue' where by, its up to you, for the next 20 years to some how change the individual - take the guy as he is; I can assure you, that when guy sees a female, he isn't subconsciencely thing, 'well, what can I fix up about this person', he is thinking of all the good things.

Its not that I care or anything what people do, but what I do find funny as well, is when after 3-6 months, they come back, and the bloke as slippped back into his old habits - at the end of each Queer Eye, I swear the guy is going, "there are some good ideas, but fucked if I am going to get up and apply 4 different types of moisterisers and mortgage the house to purchase some special shaving cream that is supposed to make me look 4 minutes younger!" - if a guy *really* wants to change, he'll do it of his own accord, and it will actually stick; all I see on those shows are guys who say, "hey, why fight the system, I'll keep the misses happy and go along for the ride".

So come on, let the blokes out there be blokes - lord knows its already getting fucking difficult to locate gays without the situation being made more complicated with psuedo-queers out there, all prettied up because of their girlfriends intervention programme.

fuckin' A.

I've been watching through the television guide and the synopsis of programmes, and here is something I need to know; who is behind this motivation to 'spruce' up guys? I mean, we have 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy', we have whole new range of body care products specially for men, we now have articles on news (TV3 Latenews (NZ)) 'teaching southern men how to Christmas shop'.

This is coming from a gay male - why doesn't society simply allow blokes be blokes; if a straight guy (or gay!) like being a bloke, likes having a pizza, a beer, and a few mates around, why the hell is there some sort of 'movement' by people out there to change these guys into 'psuedo-queers'?

Sorry ladies, but don't see your guy as some sort of 'rennovation rescue' where by, its up to you, for the next 20 years to some how change the individual - take the guy as he is; I can assure you, that when guy sees a female, he isn't subconsciencely thing, 'well, what can I fix up about this person', he is thinking of all the good things.

Its not that I care or anything what people do, but what I do find funny as well, is when after 3-6 months, they come back, and the bloke as slippped back into his old habits - at the end of each Queer Eye, I swear the guy is going, "there are some good ideas, but fucked if I am going to get up and apply 4 different types of moisterisers and mortgage the house to purchase some special shaving cream that is supposed to make me look 4 minutes younger!" - if a guy *really* wants to change, he'll do it of his own accord, and it will actually stick; all I see on those shows are guys who say, "hey, why fight the system, I'll keep the misses happy and go along for the ride".

So come on, let the blokes out there be blokes - lord knows its already getting fucking difficult to locate gays without the situation being made more complicated with psuedo-queers out there, all prettied up because of their girlfriends intervention programme.

The funny thing is though, when a woman does make some "suggestions" (i.e. smarten up or you're never having sex again), it does feel surprisingly good to be well groomed. Don't get me wrong, hygiene was always important, but really fresh skin and good clothes did make a surprising difference to my general sense of wellbeing.

I can assure you, that when guy sees a female, he isn't subconsciencely thing, 'well, what can I fix up about this person', he is thinking of all the good things.


Assuming that by "all the good things" you mean "Do I want to see her naked? If yes, then How fast can I get her naked?" then I agree.

Oh, but other than that little bit of spam I just posted, I agree with you.

**drinks beer**
**eats pizza**
mmm...breakfast

Assuming that by "all the good things" you mean "Do I want to see her naked? If yes, then How fast can I get her naked?" then I agree.

Only in between those comes "Is there any possiblity of me seeing her naked?" Otherwise that's pretty much it. If you haven't had anything to drink, you might consider "Is her personality likely to annoy the shit out of me or be otherwise offputting?", but that's a long shot.

Oh, but other than that little bit of spam I just posted, I agree with you.

**drinks beer**
**eats pizza**
mmm...breakfast

That was actually my breakfast this morning. Cold, dessicated pizza that had been left out all night, washed down with a beer.

That was actually my breakfast this morning. Cold, dessicated pizza that had been left out all night, washed down with a beer.

At least I put my pizza in the oven

That was actually my breakfast this morning. Cold, dessicated pizza that had been left out all night, washed down with a beer.


I didn't eat until I got to work, so I was eating pizza as I drove around. No beer though sadly.

Assuming that by "all the good things" you mean "Do I want to see her naked? If yes, then How fast can I get her naked?" then I agree.

I mean, the whole picture, he doesn't go, "I'll get with her, but over the next 20 years, I want to get to her to lose 10kgs, geat some breast enlargements, possible do some pelvic floor lifts to tighten the twat...."

If a guy wants to get with you, he wants you the way you are *THEN* not because they see some sort of vision in 20 years time of what you *could* possibly be.

At least I put my pizza in the oven
You must be this "New Man" we keep hearing about!

At least I put my pizza in the oven

I was hungover. Who could be stuffed?

I didn't eat until I got to work, so I was eating pizza as I drove around. No beer though sadly.

Boo :(

What a load of crap. Really. "Pseudo-queers?" Just because thay start taking care of themselves and society starts expecting them to meet the same standard as it has demanded of others for a very long time?

Holy, sexist fuck - how can a gay guy like you get this brainwashed by the heterosexist and chauvinist orthodoxy?

You must be this "New Man" we keep hearing about!

**hates self**

The funny thing is though, when a woman does make some "suggestions" (i.e. smarten up or you're never having sex again), it does feel surprisingly good to be well groomed. Don't get me wrong, hygiene was always important, but really fresh skin and good clothes did make a surprising difference to my general sense of wellbeing.

But thats a choice you made, if you wanted to; I mean, a shave, a shower, and clean clothes are hardly what I would call a difficult task - it goes to extremes, however, when you have the QE team expecting guys to give a toss about mositerisers, hair care, nail care.

Its not about avoiding the basics, its about realising when the extreme starts, and I"m sorry, the QE not only take it to the extreme, but go further into 'queer territory' - you know, when the schedule looks like mine, when I get up, have a shave, shower, use an exfoliant on my face, then get out, dry off, moisterise my face, lightly dry my hair, spray some hair protection oil through, then straighten my hair etc. etc. <-- hardly what an average guy would call 'what an average bloke does'.

What a load of crap. Really. "Pseudo-queers?" Just because thay start taking care of themselves and society starts expecting them to meet the same standard as it has demanded of others for a very long time?

Holy, sexist fuck - how can a gay guy like you get this brainwashed by the heterosexist and chauvinist orthodoxy?

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaah, it's nothing like that at all. I know gay people that are slobs like me too. Well, okay, only one person, but still.

What a load of crap. Really. "Pseudo-queers?" Just because thay start taking care of themselves and society starts expecting them to meet the same standard as it has demanded of others for a very long time?

Holy, sexist fuck - how can a gay guy like you get this brainwashed by the heterosexist and chauvinist orthodoxy?

No, its about letting blokes be a bloke; I'm quite willing to admit, I'm an airy-fairy lovely boy who likes prettying himself up - but at the same time, lets no go out trying to make blokes, who are comfortable with who they are, into something they're not.

Yes, there are gay blokes out there who don't fall into stereotype (hence the reason I put that in the original post), and they too should allowed to be a typical bloke without feeling the heavy hand of society telling them that they must conform to this 'new man' thing.

And you know what? sometimes *I* like to have vege out on the sofa with a Pizza and a nice Cabernet Sauvignon - why should I need to feel guilty by the 'fab five' because on my day off - shock horror, I didn't use all the necessary face care products in the correct order!

No, its about letting blokes be a bloke; I'm quite willing to admit, I'm an airy-fairy lovely boy who likes prettying himself up - but at the same time, lets no go out trying to make blokes, who are comfortable with who they are, into something they're not.

And, what, "blokes" that aren't like that aren't "blokes?" Spare me your sexism, please.

Yes, there are gay blokes out there who don't fall into stereotype (hence the reason I put that in the original post), and they too should allowed to be a typical bloke without feeling the heavy hand of society telling them that they must conform to this 'new man' thing.

And you know why this sounds ever so shallow? Because I don't see you doing the same for women. If you're going to criticise a societal beauty norm, do so for all, and not just for "blokes" out of some heterosexist template. It's also quite insulting of you to imply that "blokes" who are not slobs aren't "blokes," and that those who are "blokes" are slobs. What are you trying to do here? Cement patriarchal gender stereotypes and roles, and at the same time demean as many people as possible, especially by using a stereotype of gay men to make them seem as "not blokes?"

And you know what? sometimes *I* like to have vege out on the sofa with a Pizza and a nice Cabernet Sauvignon - why should I need to feel guilty by the 'fab five' because on my day off - shock horror, I didn't use all the necessary face care products in the correct order!

You do whatever you want - just think before you open your sexist yap.

And you know why this sounds ever so shallow? Because I don't see you doing the same for women. If you're going to criticise a societal beauty norm, do so for all, and not just for "blokes" out of some heterosexist template. It's also quite insulting of you to imply that "blokes" who are not slobs aren't "blokes," and that those who are "blokes" are slobs. What are you trying to do here? Cement patriarchal gender stereotypes and roles, and at the same time demean as many people as possible, especially by using a stereotype of gay men to make them seem as "not blokes?"

Shit, if there are women out there that are as slobby as me, introduce me to some....kthxbye

No, its about letting blokes be a bloke; I'm quite willing to admit, I'm an airy-fairy lovely boy who likes prettying himself up - but at the same time, lets no go out trying to make blokes, who are comfortable with who they are, into something they're not.


That's what it's all about in the end: being comfortable and happy the way you are.

And, what, "blokes" that aren't like that aren't "blokes?" Spare me your sexism, please.



And you know why this sounds ever so shallow? Because I don't see you doing the same for women. If you're going to criticise a societal beauty norm, do so for all, and not just for "blokes" out of some heterosexist template. It's also quite insulting of you to imply that "blokes" who are not slobs aren't "blokes," and that those who are "blokes" are slobs. What are you trying to do here? Cement patriarchal gender stereotypes and roles, and at the same time demean as many people as possible, especially by using a stereotype of gay men to make them seem as "not blokes?"



You do whatever you want - just think before you open your sexist yap.

Jesus Christ girl, save the drama queen stand for the club; you know exactly what I'm talking about what I say "bloke" - if you don't, you need to move to Australia or New Zealand and sublease a clue.

It has nothing to do with 'roles' or stereotypes - its about allow people to be WHO they are, and what they want to be, without a bunch of prittling pratts coming in, thinking its their calling to 'fix', 'mend' or 'correct' every damn thing they see.

If I guy likes to over board in the body care department (which I am a part of), then so be it, but at the same time, the 'bloke' who pay have other priorities in his life shouldn't feel belittled because he doesn't fit into the 'new wave'.

And this goes for females as well; and believe me, I remember when I was at school; the catty vindictiveness towards girls who didn't fit into the 'girly girl' mould - so its a two way street.

What I'm trying to get at is simply allowing people to be who they are, rather than what society expects of them.

That's what it's all about in the end: being comfortable and happy the way you are.

*belch* :)

Jesus Christ girl, save the drama queen stand for the club;


NS general IS Fass's club. That's what he's like.

Shit, if there are women out there that are as slobby as me, introduce me to some....kthxbye

Hell, I know atleast 1/2 dozen girls this side of the Tasman who like their man just the way he is - with all the roughness and unrefinement; don't mind going out with him to watch rugby and share the same enthusiasm for the sport.

Hell, I know atleast 1/2 dozen girls this side of the Tasman who like their man just the way he is - with all the roughness and unrefinement; don't mind going out with him to watch rugby and share the same enthusiasm for the sport.

Yeah, but i'm not a blokes bloke in that I dislike most sport. :p

That's what it's all about in the end: being comfortable and happy the way you are.

I agree, and for fuck sake, if the guy doesn't want to change, then so be it - he's happy in his skin, and thats great.

Yeah, but i'm not a blokes bloke in that I dislike most sport. :p

Believe me, as long as you're not fussy, and expecting a super model, there is normally someone for everyone - yeap, even ugly old me can pull in a few guys with this out of shape body and non-existant ass.

Believe me, as long as you're not fussy, and expecting a super model, there is normally someone for everyone - yeap, even ugly old me can pull in a few guys with this out of shape body and non-existant ass.

Yeah, that's the thing. I am fussy. I tend to only be attracted to a certain, very specific, look. Dunno why.

What a load of crap. Really. "Pseudo-queers?" Just because thay start taking care of themselves and society starts expecting them to meet the same standard as it has demanded of others for a very long time?

Holy, sexist fuck - how can a gay guy like you get this brainwashed by the heterosexist and chauvinist orthodoxy?
Don't get your panties in a bunch, little fella. If by taking care of yourself, you mean showering, wearing deoderant, shaving, wearing clean clothes, and using cologne, then most guys already do that.

But if you mean moisturizing cream on your face, and cucumber slices on your eyes, chemical peals, mineral masks, pedicures, manicures, wearing ugly ass frilly clothes, and various other wastes of time, then you can take all your gay things and shove them up your gay ass.

Be as gay as you wish, but don't expect us to be like you.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, little fella. If by taking care of yourself, you mean showering, wearing deoderant, shaving, wearing clean clothes, and using cologne, then most guys already do that.

But if you mean moisturizing cream on your face, and cucumber slices on your eyes, chemical peals, mineral masks, pedicures, manicures, wearing ugly ass frilly clothes, and various other wastes of time, then you can take all your gay things and shove them up your gay ass.

Be as gay as you wish, but don't expect us to be like you.

Oh FFS. Try and read what he actually said. And who is "us" by the way? If you mean heterosexual males, you might have noticed that there is a pretty bug variety of said individuals-which is pretty much what this thread is about. I doubt that you and I have very much in common other than gender preference.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, little fella. If by taking care of yourself, you mean showering, wearing deoderant, shaving, wearing clean clothes, and using cologne, then most guys already do that.

But if you mean moisturizing cream on your face, and cucumber slices on your eyes, chemical peals, mineral masks, pedicures, manicures, wearing ugly ass frilly clothes, and various other wastes of time, then you can take all your gay things and shove them up your gay ass.

Be as gay as you wish, but don't expect us to be like you.

What the hell's a mineral mask? You seem to know an awful lot about these things for a straight bloke http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/shiftyeyes.gif

Oh FFS. Try and read what he actually said. And who is "us" by the way? If you mean heterosexual males, you might have noticed that there is a pretty bug variety of said individuals-which is pretty much what this thread is about. I doubt that you and I have very much in common other than gender preference.
By "us" I mean "blokes", which I take as referring to the rough around the edges, working on the truck in the garage, beer drinking, spittin cussin, John Wayne type.

What the hell's a mineral mask? You seem to know an awful lot about these things for a straight bloke http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/shiftyeyes.gif
I'm married, dude. We share a bathroom. Sometimes theres no magazine close to read when I'm on the throne, ya know? *spits on the floor and burps*

Don't get your panties in a bunch, little fella. If by taking care of yourself, you mean showering, wearing deoderant, shaving, wearing clean clothes, and using cologne, then most guys already do that.

But if you mean moisturizing cream on your face, and cucumber slices on your eyes, chemical peals, mineral masks, pedicures, manicures, wearing ugly ass frilly clothes, and various other wastes of time, then you can take all your gay things and shove them up your gay ass.

Be as gay as you wish, but don't expect us to be like you.

Swing and miss...

Swing and miss...
I'm sorry, are we playing baseball? :confused:

Sorry ladies, but don't see your guy as some sort of 'rennovation rescue' where by, its up to you, for the next 20 years to some how change the individual - take the guy as he is; I can assure you, that when guy sees a female, he isn't subconsciencely thing, 'well, what can I fix up about this person', he is thinking of all the good things.
Sorry ... uh ... gays, I hate to break it to you, but I always think of this. I'm a guy. I like changing people. I like to say, "Hey, this is better! Lose weight! Pluck your eyebrows! Don't have holidays when you're shaving! Stop drinking/eating stuff with HFCS/Hydogenated-whatever in it!" Someone might have already said this in replying to this post, but I do think this. It's not a good thing by any means; it's wrong. That doesn't mean I don't do it, though. Also, what about "metrosexuals" or guys inbetween (like myself) who honestly do care but would never consider having a male lover?
Also, if you have a problem with homophobes, then why you're fighting this "metrosexual" movement or whatever term you'd prefer is beyond me. You should be throwing parades for any guy that's willing to be similar to you...or at least accepting him for what he is.

Also, what about "metrosexuals" or guys inbetween (like myself) who honestly do care but would never consider having a male lover?
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Just stay the hell outta my garage, nancy boy. *spits*


;) j/k

One word. Capitalism.

Given that blokes are actually saving money, where it's obvious they should be focussing on becoming couples to increase their overall spending money, we in the marketting department want them to acheieve all that they could be; hence why we introduced the idea of Loyalty cards that reward their multiple purchases with small prizes whilst the high taxation rates mean that they have to put the cash right back into the hands of the people who know how to use it best, the retailers.

I mean, if we didn't do that, then we'd just have blokes not spending money? And what would that do to the poor multinational corporations then? We'd be unable to give ourselves huge pay rises for coming up with the fantastic idea of the 'new man' every year.

You wait 'til we convince women they need a new diet again.

I didn't eat until I got to work, so I was eating pizza as I drove around. No beer though sadly.
At least you had breakfast!

How's that for being a bum?

Prolificacy']One word. Capitalism.

I mean, if we didn't do that, then we'd just have blokes not spending money? .
Couldn't you just sell us more auto parts and beer? :confused:

Couldn't you just sell us more auto parts and beer? :confused:

Yeah. We might not buy much (except for beer), but when we do it's usually loud, often big, and always expensive!

At least you had breakfast!

How's that for being a bum?


Well by 'breakfast' I mean 'my first meal of the day' which was at about 6pm after waking up at about 4pm.

Well by 'breakfast' I mean 'my first meal of the day' which was at about 6pm after waking up at about 4pm.
You win :D

Yeah. We might not buy much (except for beer), but when we do it's usually loud, often big, and always expensive!
An american chick? :eek:

An american chick? :eek:

And you get the win right back.

Well by 'breakfast' I mean 'my first meal of the day' which was at about 6pm after waking up at about 4pm.

I woke up at about 5am, had a couple of pieces and then went back to sleep until about 12. And it wasn't even my house. Do I win yet? :p

I dont think its that bad. Guys just go in for that type of thing because they think if they all that shit maybe they can get laid a bit more often. But it ends up being a ridiculous amount of work to look good all the time so they give it up after a while.

Women trying to change guys they're in a relationship with does sound pretty stupid, but i dont think it happens that often.

I dont think its that bad. Guys just go in for that type of thing because they think if they all that shit maybe they can get laid a bit more often. But it ends up being a ridiculous amount of work to look good all the time so they give it up after a while.

Women trying to change guys they're in a relationship with does sound pretty stupid, but i dont think it happens that often.

Of course it does. It happens all the damn time.:(

Anyone ever seen a metrosexual woman? No? Funny that.

Anyone ever seen a metrosexual woman? No? Funny that.

It's almost like the basic definiton of metrosexual is something that has to do with taking care of yourself so you look PRETTY. Which society basically already forces on women. So, no, there are no metrosexual women, go figure. If they're not already metrosexual, they're ugly, or so says the idiot box.

Whereas men are allowed to promote that and be redneck slobs at the same time. Oohhypocrisy.

Anyone ever seen a metrosexual woman? No? Funny that.
Lesbian trucker

It's almost like the basic definiton of metrosexual is something that has to do with taking care of yourself so you look PRETTY. Which society basically already forces on women. So, no, there are no metrosexual women, go figure. If they're not already metrosexual, they're ugly, or so says the idiot box.

Really? Strange. So men *have* to get in touch with their feminine side, otherwise they're all dirty, smelly beer swilling chauvinists but women don't have to get in touch with their masculine side? Did I force you to pretty yourself up, etc? No? I didn't? My word. How amazing. So regardless of me not forcing anything on you, I still have to comply to your standards.

What people are basically saying is "If I have to put up with this crap, you do too" rather than "I don't like this crap, I'm going to get rid of it and we can both be the same."

Of course it does. It happens all the damn time.:(

Well obviously they must use mind control to stop me noticing it then.:(

Couldn't you just sell us more auto parts and beer? :confused:

Ah, but this is where the science is. We already know you spend money on beer ("Reassuringly Expensive") and with the nice, reliable cars (Volkswagen) crushed and you spending good money on your SUV's which still break down once a month; we KNOW you're going to be spending all your earned money.

But that's really not good enough is it?

What we really need is more products that you'll have to take out a loan on (so that we also own your house, life and children), so that you can make yourself look beautiful (our definition, not yours) and enjoy the nostalgia of your former life (which we've thoughtfully repackaged in it's original form at only a multiple of it's former price).

I mean, that's what Capitalism is all about isn't it? We can't have you actually keeping any money that's rightfully ours? Can we?

This is coming from a gay male - why doesn't society simply allow blokes be blokes; if a straight guy (or gay!) like being a bloke, likes having a pizza, a beer, and a few mates around, why the hell is there some sort of 'movement' by people out there to change these guys into 'psuedo-queers'?

Dammit, this smacks of tolerance. Is that allowed?

Ahhh... yes. Because a woman falls in love with a man for his ball scratching and propensity towards wearing the same shirt for two weeks straight. Most people fall in love with someone for their personality and general attraction towards whatever. It's an entirely different matter after you've been with someone for years on end and. It can be even worse when you move in with someone only to realize how much you didn't know about his or her lifestyle. This doesn't mean that all men need "changing" by far, just that some men need to be "encouraged" when they let themselves go, the same goes for women.

so says the idiot box.
The idiot box demands sacrifice!

Lesbian trucker


using pic search got the better of me there.

using pic search got the better of me there.
Hmm. It's an interesting world out there. Definetly.

likes having a pizza, a beer, and a few mates around, why the hell is there some sort of 'movement' by people out there to change these guys into 'psuedo-queers'?
amen. we're made to feel bad about just doing our thing by some tv shows and some people. hence why i don't watch tv all that much anymore :P

my ex-flatmate was a case in point with this: he really, really was his girlfriend's pet project, her little homo-rennovation. it was sad, but my god he fought it :p (good man!)
the thing was it started out that way, so it wasn't like they were together and then she got annoyed at some of the things he did and worked with him to change... noo... he was a pill-popping metalhead stoner when they met and she never liked it, but she wanted to change him into renaissance-man or something. and now i don't know where i'm going with this any more...


anyways, i do:
1. eat pizza
2. drink beer
3. enjoy having mates round for a piss up
4. try and dress well
5. try and stay non-smelly and clean (surely this should be desired by all people?)
6. fart with aplomb
7. cook
8. think violence-ridden ice hockey is the best sport ever


i do not:
1. use moisturiser
2. use any other beautification products
3. scratch my balls in public (or ass for that matter)
4. dress "pretty"
5. have an innane interest in cars or most sports
6. like the colour pink


so i guess i'm partway infected with this new virus. meh

Prolificacy']Ah, but this is where the science is. We already know you spend money on beer ("Reassuringly Expensive") and with the nice, reliable cars (Volkswagen) crushed and you spending good money on your SUV's which still break down once a month; we KNOW you're going to be spending all your earned money.

But that's really not good enough is it?

What we really need is more products that you'll have to take out a loan on (so that we also own your house, life and children), so that you can make yourself look beautiful (our definition, not yours) and enjoy the nostalgia of your former life (which we've thoughtfully repackaged in it's original form at only a multiple of it's former price).

I mean, that's what Capitalism is all about isn't it? We can't have you actually keeping any money that's rightfully ours? Can we?
Here's my favorite part of Capitalism.

Fuck off, I'm not buying your crappy feminine crap aimed to "pretty" me up.
Have fun wasting your money on crappy commercials, I Tivo! :D

I've been watching through the television guide and the synopsis of programmes, and here is something I need to know; who is behind this motivation to 'spruce' up guys? I mean, we have 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy', we have whole new range of body care products specially for men, we now have articles on news (TV3 Latenews (NZ)) 'teaching southern men how to Christmas shop'.

This is coming from a gay male - why doesn't society simply allow blokes be blokes; if a straight guy (or gay!) like being a bloke, likes having a pizza, a beer, and a few mates around, why the hell is there some sort of 'movement' by people out there to change these guys into 'psuedo-queers'?

Sorry ladies, but don't see your guy as some sort of 'rennovation rescue' where by, its up to you, for the next 20 years to some how change the individual - take the guy as he is; I can assure you, that when guy sees a female, he isn't subconsciencely thing, 'well, what can I fix up about this person', he is thinking of all the good things.

Its not that I care or anything what people do, but what I do find funny as well, is when after 3-6 months, they come back, and the bloke as slippped back into his old habits - at the end of each Queer Eye, I swear the guy is going, "there are some good ideas, but fucked if I am going to get up and apply 4 different types of moisterisers and mortgage the house to purchase some special shaving cream that is supposed to make me look 4 minutes younger!" - if a guy *really* wants to change, he'll do it of his own accord, and it will actually stick; all I see on those shows are guys who say, "hey, why fight the system, I'll keep the misses happy and go along for the ride".

So come on, let the blokes out there be blokes - lord knows its already getting fucking difficult to locate gays without the situation being made more complicated with psuedo-queers out there, all prettied up because of their girlfriends intervention programme.
Don't underestimate the markets want for us to turn into shoppingmonsters. Other than us not needing it, there's no reason why we couldn't spend as much money on ourselves as women do. So trying to make guys like me look bad is a great way to stamp up a new market.

Here's my favorite part of Capitalism.

Fuck off, I'm not buying your crappy feminine crap aimed to "pretty" me up.
Have fun wasting your money on crappy commercials, I Tivo! :D

Quite right too sir, and for you we have the latest in merchandise. The 'I Hate Crappy Commericals' T-Shirt. Only $19.99, but that's not all.

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You see, we don't mind which way you turn, as we've got bouncers on all the exits.

And please let me be female without being stereotyped as self-righteous, over-controlling and stupidly high-maintenance. I could just as easily complain about all guys expecting girls to be perfectly maintained and willing to do/wear/behave however they like.

Personally I don't see why I would get into a relationship with someone if I thought they needed to change their habits. Surely I'd "approve" of their habits or wouldn't find them that huge an issue, otherwise why the hell would I be with them? If I thought someone needed to change for me to be happy with them, why would I want to be with them?

Other than not understanding that side of it, a lot of these habits don't really bother me anyway.

Personally I don't see why I would get into a relationship with someone if I thought they needed to change their habits. Surely I'd "approve" of their habits or wouldn't find them that huge an issue, otherwise why the hell would I be with them? If I thought someone needed to change for me to be happy with them, why would I want to be with them?


Eh, maybe they think it's easier to get an imperfect guy and make him perfect, at least in their eyes, than trying to land a perfect guy.

I personally don't see the problem - anyone who is shallow enough to try to make their partner a meterosexual isn't exactly a loss if you split up with them.

Only in between those comes "Is there any possiblity of me seeing her naked?" Otherwise that's pretty much it. If you haven't had anything to drink, you might consider "Is her personality likely to annoy the shit out of me or be otherwise offputting?", but that's a long shot.
Why are men always simplified into apes who (supposedly) think with their cock - by other men??? Come on, you know this is not the whole truth of the matter. We're more complicated than that.

Why are men always simplified into apes who (supposedly) think with their cock - by other men??? Come on, you know this is not the whole truth of the matter. We're more complicated than that.

...Some of us, anyways. :D *Stares accusingly at FireAntz*

Hockey. Pizza. Root Beer. BURP.

Hockey. Pizza. Root Beer. BURP.

Adjusts belt. Clicks on Comp Monitor.

Reading this, I realised I'm really blokey. I woke up this morning craving a big Crownie. Hehe. *burps*

What a load of crap. Really. "Pseudo-queers?" Just because thay start taking care of themselves and society starts expecting them to meet the same standard as it has demanded of others for a very long time?

Holy, sexist fuck - how can a gay guy like you get this brainwashed by the heterosexist and chauvinist orthodoxy?
I will have to agree with Fass here. I think we are evolving from neanderthals, slowly but surely. It is liberating for a man to be able to take care of himself and look his best without society discriminating. If anything, we should be supporting metrosexuality, not opposing it.

I will have to agree with Fass here. I think we are evolving from neanderthals, slowly but surely. It is liberating for a man to be able to take care of himself and look his best without society discriminating. If anything, we should be supporting metrosexuality, not opposing it.

This goes without saying and labels.

I will have to agree with Fass here. I think we are evolving from neanderthals, slowly but surely. It is liberating for a man to be able to take care of himself and look his best without society discriminating. If anything, we should be supporting metrosexuality, not opposing it.

I don't oppose or support anything; what you do in your own time is of little interest of me, but what I do say is lets not think that its out job to go into other peoples lives as self appointed 'gurus' to fix up people.

As for 'man taking care of himself' - no one ever said there was anything wrong with that; many guys have been doing it for YEARS before this whole meterosexual craze came along, and for many of those guys, they did it for THEMSELVES rather than trying to keep their ball and chain happy - there is the difference.

I don't oppose or support anything; what you do in your own time is of little interest of me, but what I do say is lets not think that its out job to go into other peoples lives as self appointed 'gurus' to fix up people.

As for 'man taking care of himself' - no one ever said there was anything wrong with that; many guys have been doing it for YEARS before this whole meterosexual craze came along, and for many of those guys, they did it for THEMSELVES rather than trying to keep their ball and chain happy - there is the difference.
You must remember though that such TV shows as the ones you criticised do alter public opinion and have the power to alter social preconceptions. TV, like it or not, is a rather powerful instrument in a mass culture as one such as ours is, lamentably. In this case its using that power for good though :p

amen. we're made to feel bad about just doing our thing by some tv shows and some people. hence why i don't watch tv all that much anymore :P

my ex-flatmate was a case in point with this: he really, really was his girlfriend's pet project, her little homo-rennovation. it was sad, but my god he fought it :p (good man!)
the thing was it started out that way, so it wasn't like they were together and then she got annoyed at some of the things he did and worked with him to change... noo... he was a pill-popping metalhead stoner when they met and she never liked it, but she wanted to change him into renaissance-man or something. and now i don't know where i'm going with this any more...


anyways, i do:
1. eat pizza
2. drink beer
3. enjoy having mates round for a piss up
4. try and dress well
5. try and stay non-smelly and clean (surely this should be desired by all people?)
6. fart with aplomb
7. cook
8. think violence-ridden ice hockey is the best sport ever


i do not:
1. use moisturiser
2. use any other beautification products
3. scratch my balls in public (or ass for that matter)
4. dress "pretty"
5. have an innane interest in cars or most sports
6. like the colour pink


so i guess i'm partway infected with this new virus. meh

LOL :)

Well, for me, my boyfriend accepts me for who I am, and I accept my my boyfriend for who he is - both the good and bad points, because believe me, if I had 'Mr Perfect', it would piss me off no end.

So whilst we have people forcing us into believing we must do this and that; I'm quite happy to sit down on the sofa with my better half, chat, drinking, watch Monty Python movies and generally speaking, have a fucking good time whilst I'm at it - and yes, shock bloody horror, we'll use out fingers to eat those pizza's!

LOL :)

Well, for me, my boyfriend accepts me for who I am, and I accept my my boyfriend for who he is - both the good and bad points, because believe me, if I had 'Mr Perfect', it would piss me off no end.

So whilst we have people forcing us into believing we must do this and that; I'm quite happy to sit down on the sofa with my better half, chat, drinking, watch Monty Python movies and generally speaking, have a fucking good time whilst I'm at it - and yes, shock bloody horror, we'll use out fingers to eat those pizza's!
Then you have found your Mr Perfect. Each person's is different. I have yet to find mine :p

You must remember though that such TV shows as the ones you criticised do alter public opinion and have the power to alter social preconceptions. TV, like it or not, is a rather powerful instrument in a mass culture as one such as ours is, lamentably. In this case its using that power for good though :p

Well, its funny, down under here, we've now got womens magazines bitching because their new 'meterosexual' husband doesn't want to get dirty to fix up the sink, car or some other contraption because he's worried about his manicure.

So, tada, we now have a NEW 'movement' its called 'retrosexual' - dear god, and yet another bloody craze with guys moving to that new one, because they think that is what their misses wants.

All I can say, its cheap humour for me.

Well, its funny, down under here, we've now got womens magazines bitching because their new 'meterosexual' husband doesn't want to get dirty to fix up the sink, car or some other contraption because he's worried about his manicure.

So, tada, we now have a NEW 'movement' its called 'retrosexual' - dear god, and yet another bloody craze with guys moving to that new one, because they think that is what their misses wants.

All I can say, its cheap humour for me.
I tend to stick to what works for me and avoid trends. I could be described as more metrosexual, but being gay, its not as if I make that much of a conscious effort to be that way. I find it quite fun :p

Then you have found your Mr Perfect. Each person's is different. I have yet to find mine :p

You'll find him; I thought I was doomed to be the disgruntled bitter queen sitting at the back of the night club, drinking on an orange and vodka whilst bitching about how this generation know nothing 'of the struggle for equality'.

I tend to stick to what works for me and avoid trends. I could be described as more metrosexual, but being gay, its not as if I make that much of a conscious effort to be that way. I find it quite fun :p

:) I don't know what I'm classified as, but I like to look good; not to pick up guys or get compliments; I just like being able to look in the mirror and say, "hey, I don't look too bad today - it could have been alot worse" :P

I've been watching through the television guide and the synopsis of programmes, and here is something I need to know; who is behind this motivation to 'spruce' up guys? I mean, we have 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy', we have whole new range of body care products specially for men, we now have articles on news (TV3 Latenews (NZ)) 'teaching southern men how to Christmas shop'.

This is coming from a gay male - why doesn't society simply allow blokes be blokes; if a straight guy (or gay!) like being a bloke, likes having a pizza, a beer, and a few mates around, why the hell is there some sort of 'movement' by people out there to change these guys into 'psuedo-queers'?

Sorry ladies, but don't see your guy as some sort of 'rennovation rescue' where by, its up to you, for the next 20 years to some how change the individual - take the guy as he is; I can assure you, that when guy sees a female, he isn't subconsciencely thing, 'well, what can I fix up about this person', he is thinking of all the good things.

Its not that I care or anything what people do, but what I do find funny as well, is when after 3-6 months, they come back, and the bloke as slippped back into his old habits - at the end of each Queer Eye, I swear the guy is going, "there are some good ideas, but fucked if I am going to get up and apply 4 different types of moisterisers and mortgage the house to purchase some special shaving cream that is supposed to make me look 4 minutes younger!" - if a guy *really* wants to change, he'll do it of his own accord, and it will actually stick; all I see on those shows are guys who say, "hey, why fight the system, I'll keep the misses happy and go along for the ride".

So come on, let the blokes out there be blokes - lord knows its already getting fucking difficult to locate gays without the situation being made more complicated with psuedo-queers out there, all prettied up because of their girlfriends intervention programme.

Bleh, personally I think people are too superficial and too fussy. You're supposed to be with someone because you like them for who they are, not what they are, and if their personal hygiene, appearance or habits bothers you THAT much, find someone else! I mean why should people be expected to change just because they have a shallow, fussy partner? Unless I met a guy with the PERFECT personality who just happened to have literally unbearable personal hygiene, I wouldn't ever think of trying to make a guy change for me. How would these women feel if their boyfriends suddenly turned to them and were like "hey, get a boob job, lose some weight, and while you're at it you probably ought to wax your legs every day, oh and tidy the house a bit more, and actually while I'm on the topic I want a five course dinner tonight"?
Personally I think it's nice when a guy/girl takes care of themselves, y'know, stays clean and isn't a total lazy fuckwit, because it shows that they take pride in themselves and want to make some kind of effort for you, but I'd get so annoyed by some vain idiot who took ages doing their hair and fussing over clothes or whatever. My boyfriend's pretty much ideal, he showers and wears clothes he likes, generally looks good and takes care of himself but doesn't overdo it - he does it because that's what he does, not because he thinks he should for me, or because I force him to or anything, he was that way when I met him and I wouldn't change him for anything.

You'll find him; I thought I was doomed to be the disgruntled bitter queen sitting at the back of the night club, drinking on an orange and vodka whilst bitching about how this generation know nothing 'of the struggle for equality'.
I hope so :)

I like looking good both to pick up guys and feel good with myself :p

Bleh, personally I think people are too superficial and too fussy. You're supposed to be with someone because you like them for who they are, not what they are, and if their personal hygiene, appearance or habits bothers you THAT much, find someone else! I mean why should people be expected to change just because they have a shallow, fussy partner? Unless I met a guy with the PERFECT personality who just happened to have literally unbearable personal hygiene, I wouldn't ever think of trying to make a guy change for me. How would these women feel if their boyfriends suddenly turned to them and were like "hey, get a boob job, lose some weight, and while you're at it you probably ought to wax your legs every day, oh and tidy the house a bit more, and actually while I'm on the topic I want a five course dinner tonight"?
Personally I think it's nice when a guy/girl takes care of themselves, y'know, stays clean and isn't a total lazy fuckwit, because it shows that they take pride in themselves and want to make some kind of effort for you, but I'd get so annoyed by some vain idiot who took ages doing their hair and fussing over clothes or whatever. My boyfriend's pretty much ideal, he showers and wears clothes he likes, generally looks good and takes care of himself but doesn't overdo it - he does it because that's what he does, not because he thinks he should for me, or because I force him to or anything, he was that way when I met him and I wouldn't change him for anything.

True, but like you said, a person will like another person because of the whole picture - now, sure, we all have irritating habits, but at the same time, a little tolerance on both sides can go along way - and shock horror, a marriage/relationship isn't perfect - so expect some bumpiness :D

And hey, your boyfriend is doing it because he wants to do it, not because you're on his back all the time; because believe me, how long is the relationship really going to last if the girlfriend/boyfriend is constantly on other persons back about things.

The best solution is; if the guy isn't up to it first time around, find another guy.

I hope so :)

I like looking good both to pick up guys and feel good with myself :p

:)

What I can't work out is where all these guys are who claim they can't get someone! I mean, here I am, and it too be ages to find someone! so come on guys; get out there, and make it know you're available.

We live in a sissyfied society. Female values are taking over the world.
Bleah.
Having a beer and a pizza is a 'rebel' thing.
Workout to take that belly down! And don't forget to mousse your hair (I do mine everyday)
We were supposed to hunt our food and defend our cave, but we made all this tehnology and we are turning all in a "new gender" rather then "new man" or "liberated women"
(I know some girls that dress ugly, look like hell, drink beer and swear- the "new blokes" )

(I know some girls that dress ugly, look like hell, drink beer and swear- the "new blokes" )

That's funny. I know girls that dress ugly, drink beer, swear and look fantastic. The best of both worlds.

I've been watching through the television guide and the synopsis of programmes, and here is something I need to know; who is behind this motivation to 'spruce' up guys? I mean, we have 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy', we have whole new range of body care products specially for men, we now have articles on news (TV3 Latenews (NZ)) 'teaching southern men how to Christmas shop'.

This is coming from a gay male - why doesn't society simply allow blokes be blokes; if a straight guy (or gay!) like being a bloke, likes having a pizza, a beer, and a few mates around, why the hell is there some sort of 'movement' by people out there to change these guys into 'psuedo-queers'?

Sorry ladies, but don't see your guy as some sort of 'rennovation rescue' where by, its up to you, for the next 20 years to some how change the individual - take the guy as he is; I can assure you, that when guy sees a female, he isn't subconsciencely thing, 'well, what can I fix up about this person', he is thinking of all the good things.

Its not that I care or anything what people do, but what I do find funny as well, is when after 3-6 months, they come back, and the bloke as slippped back into his old habits - at the end of each Queer Eye, I swear the guy is going, "there are some good ideas, but fucked if I am going to get up and apply 4 different types of moisterisers and mortgage the house to purchase some special shaving cream that is supposed to make me look 4 minutes younger!" - if a guy *really* wants to change, he'll do it of his own accord, and it will actually stick; all I see on those shows are guys who say, "hey, why fight the system, I'll keep the misses happy and go along for the ride".

So come on, let the blokes out there be blokes - lord knows its already getting fucking difficult to locate gays without the situation being made more complicated with psuedo-queers out there, all prettied up because of their girlfriends intervention programme.
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The people from Queer Eye are actually trying to effiminate the male population so that they may take over the world. They're not even human. They're some kind of ant of lobster. I see it on tv so it must be true.

The people from Queer Eye are actually trying to effiminate the male population so that they may take over the world. They're not even human. They're some kind of ant of lobster. I see it on tv so it must be true.

**nods**

True, but like you said, a person will like another person because of the whole picture - now, sure, we all have irritating habits, but at the same time, a little tolerance on both sides can go along way - and shock horror, a marriage/relationship isn't perfect - so expect some bumpiness :D

And hey, your boyfriend is doing it because he wants to do it, not because you're on his back all the time; because believe me, how long is the relationship really going to last if the girlfriend/boyfriend is constantly on other persons back about things.

The best solution is; if the guy isn't up to it first time around, find another guy.

Yeah that was my point...

We live in a sissyfied society. Female values are taking over the world.
Bleah.
Having a beer and a pizza is a 'rebel' thing.
Workout to take that belly down! And don't forget to mousse your hair (I do mine everyday)
We were supposed to hunt our food and defend our cave, but we made all this tehnology and we are turning all in a "new gender" rather then "new man" or "liberated women"
(I know some girls that dress ugly, look like hell, drink beer and swear- the "new blokes" )
Yes, evolution is an evil thing after all...lets go back to our caves! :p

That's funny. I know girls that dress ugly, drink beer, swear and look fantastic. The best of both worlds.
Lol yeah, ladettes, or chav girls :p

:)

What I can't work out is where all these guys are who claim they can't get someone! I mean, here I am, and it too be ages to find someone! so come on guys; get out there, and make it know you're available.
Hah I am kind of shy :p

Lol yeah, ladettes, or chav girls :p

Chav girls? Did you just jokingly imply that I like chav girls?

Run, fool:sniper:

:D

Chav girls? Did you just jokingly imply that I like chav girls?

Run, fool:sniper:

:D
Haha but chav girls are proper little madams! They do lady-like things like beating up on people in gangs...real feminine ;)

I've been watching through the television guide and the synopsis of programmes, and here is something I need to know; who is behind this motivation to 'spruce' up guys?

If you can make a bucket of money selling clothes and beauty products to women, you can make another bucket of money selling clothes and beauty products to men. So just follow the money train and you'll find out.

i must be old fashioned then. I have no almost no fashion sense, so I wear what I I like and don't give a damn if its in style or not. Denim, t shirts, and flannels in the winter make up most of my wardrobe.

I refuse to applogize for being a man. i love my harley, my hot rods and my guns. I'm a mechanic, a woodsman, a racer and a handyman. Why the hell would I want to be vain and worthless?

Fucking A. It all started in Gaymerica.

i must be old fashioned then. I have no almost no fashion sense, so I wear what I I like and don't give a damn if its in style or not. Denim, t shirts, and flannels in the winter make up most of my wardrobe.

I refuse to applogize for being a man. i love my harley, my hot rods and my guns. I'm a mechanic, a woodsman, a racer and a handyman. Why the hell would I want to be vain and worthless?

have a fashion sense would not make someone vain or worthless. Regardless what you want is what you are. Meanwhile corporate america will happily continue on its track and keep on trying to make a different kind of man, a slightly more vain one.

As a side note I'll stick to being a blazer wearing, cuff slightly showing, nice watch kind of guy which still enjoying my manly pursuits of cars, good driving roads, guns, paintball and et all...

have a fashion sense would not make someone vain or worthless. Regardless what you want is what you are. Meanwhile corporate america will happily continue on its track and keep on trying to make a different kind of man, a slightly more vain one.

As a side note I'll stick to being a blazer wearing, cuff slightly showing, nice watch kind of guy which still enjoying my manly pursuits of cars, good driving roads, guns, paintball and et all...

Having a fashion sense doesn't make someone worthless, but being afraid to go outside when its windy because it might mess up thier hair, or afriad that someone might see them with dirty hands does.