NationStates Jolt Archive

I saw this coming a mile away. Seems that the "Christian peacmakers" group is blaming coalition governments and not the terrorists. I wonder if they will blame the US and UK when they get beheaded? This is the idiotic reasoning that drives me mad.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F4158730-C9B7-40D5-A097-ECAB2DB7FE25.htm

Funny AlJazeera uses this has there headline.

If there was no invasion, the peace activists wouldn't have had to go there, so there is some truth in what they said.

If there was no invasion, the peace activists wouldn't have had to go there, so there is some truth in what they said.

Sure there is truth in that statement. However the peace activists don't need to be there. There is ample proof that the terror element already has targeted the "peace" activists already there. It's a dangerous place as it is with a gun let alone holding a bong in one hand and making a peace sign in another.

I wonder if they will blame the US and UK when they get beheaded?
Let them.
They're free to think as they want, but the fact of the matter is that no one forced them to go, and that their kidnappers obviously don't give a shit what kind of group they belong to.
They also said they don't want to be freed by military means, so I say "Okay". Don't bother with them.

Here is an interview with that Italian Journalist that had been held for a while last year I believe (The one that then got shot at by US Soldiers...) about what it feels like to be kidnapped. I thought it might make sense in this thread.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,387657,00.html

Funny AlJazeera uses this has there headline.
Did anything else exciting happen in the Arab world yesterday?

lol

Well yes they could have just chosen not to go.

Sure there is truth in that statement. However the peace activists don't need to be there. There is ample proof that the terror element already has targeted the "peace" activists already there. It's a dangerous place as it is with a gun let alone holding a bong in one hand and making a peace sign in another.

Well... I think you're misreading it a little?

It's the kidnappers' fault that 4 people were abducted, and it'll be the kidnappers' fault if they should die.

What the christain group is saying is that the situation, the context, in which a group of xxxx (whoever/whatever the kidnappers are) felt they should abduct/harm 4 westerners, _that_ is the _responsibility_ of the UK/US.

It's not a clear-cut, black and white issue though. And by the way, I think the aid workers were rather too busy to pretend to be hippies from the 1960s.

Let them.
They're free to think as they want, but the fact of the matter is that no one forced them to go, and that their kidnappers obviously don't give a shit what kind of group they belong to.
Not true, George W. Bush so totally put a gun to their head and told them he would rape their fathers and kill their mothers if they didn't go.
He gets off on bad publicity.
Did anything else exciting happen in the Arab world yesterday?
I'm pretty sure that there was a sighting of the Space Jew near Pakistan.

Well if you wanted to have any hope of getting them realeased it kind of makes sense to blame the evil americans . Who cares if they blame the Americans etc. any way ? I sure as hell do not , especially if any one is dumb enough to believe it or it allows them to save face and release them , so they can go hug trees and kiss babies again or whatever instead of getting a dry shave . Whats it hurt ?

Everyone knows that once you become a peace activist a gland grows inside your brain that forces you to go to dangerous warzones.

Well if you wanted to have any hope of getting them realeased it kind of makes sense to blame the evil americans . Who cares if they blame the Americans etc. any way ? I sure as hell do not , especially if any one is dumb enough to believe it or it allows them to save face and release them , so they can go hug trees and kiss babies again or whatever instead of getting a dry shave . Whats it hurt ?

Why don't you like the aid workers, guy? If as you say you don't mind them saying xyz about it being the US/UK's fault, what's your reason for being rude about them?

He's rude to them because they deserve ridicule...

HOWEVER, I totally agree, if it helps to get their lives spared, I'm all for letting them say stupid crap too.

Not true, George W. Bush so totally put a gun to their head and told them he would rape their fathers and kill their mothers if they didn't go.
He gets off on bad publicity.

I'm pretty sure that there was a sighting of the Space Jew near Pakistan.

Why is your post count n/a?

Elgesh']Why don't you like the aid workers, guy? If as you say you don't mind them saying xyz about it being the US/UK's fault, what's your reason for being rude about them?

I prefer speaking about them in a critical way to seeing them beheaded or kidnapped or hurt physicaly in any way . I was not aware that was rude .
If it is the world needs more rude people .

Not true, George W. Bush so totally put a gun to their head and told them he would rape their fathers and kill their mothers if they didn't go.
He gets off on bad publicity.

Oddly enough, that's the same reason I jumped off my roof when I was ten. The bastard still killed my mom! :(

They have a point on the invasion being illeagal but i think that now we are there we cant just leave and say goodbye the Coalition got itself into this it has to see it threw.

so they can go hug trees and kiss babies again or whatever instead of getting a dry shave.

Clearly we have wildly different views of the rudeness/criticism spectrum :)

The whole world is shocked. Because people were physically harmed.

In a war.

I prefer speaking about them in a critical way to seeing them beheaded or kidnapped or hurt physicaly in any way . I was not aware that was rude .
If it is the world needs more rude people .

The world needs more people with a backbone so yes we need more rude people because if your being rude 9 times out of 10 your being honest.

The whole world is shocked. Because people were physically harmed.

In a war.

Yes i always laugh at that there family seems to think you go to war and you just get drunk and party i mean are they the arrogant not to see what war does it's war not a bloodt tea party.

what happens in war people with guns get together and shoot the bad guy.

The world needs more people with a backbone so yes we need more rude people because if your being rude 9 times out of 10 your being honest.

Well, it helps to be rude and intelligent - otherwise you end up with your head blown off on al-Jazeera.

Well, it helps to be rude and intelligent - otherwise you end up with your head blown off on al-Jazeera.

Very true indeed i dont disargee at all.

Elgesh']Clearly we have wildly different views of the rudeness/criticism spectrum :)

My Idea of a peace activist is to actively shoot all the idiots that refuse to be peacefull . They think otherwise , that you can talk them into it , or reason it out. But whatever they believe they are willing to put their own ass on the line for it and for that they have my respect .

Why is your post count n/a?
Oh that, ever since last night (I tried to alter my siggy, apparently Jolt didn't like my idea for a new one) I've been a Z0MB13. It was annoying at first, but I think I rather enjoy livin' it up in the Dead Life.

All i am really saying is if the countries in the coalition had sorta backbone and had the guts to tell america to back off there wouldnt be a coalition and then all america has to do is click it's fingers and we come running it's pathetic and againts democracy us australians didnt even have a choice.

I mean yes america is the worlds new empire but it dosnt mean we make it easier for them to take over.

I mean yes america is the worlds new empire but it dosnt mean we make it easier for them to take over.

I find it interesting that both the UK and Australia have elected leaders who go along with Bush. I was really surprised that Blair went along with it - initially, I had the impression that he was a Clintonite.

The whole world is shocked. Because people were physically harmed.

In a war.

War's over. At least thats what this guy told me:

http://lonbud.com/missacc.jpg

War's over. At least thats what this guy told me:

http://lonbud.com/missacc.jpg


Nope. This is a more accurate explanation of what's going on in Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter) than anything else I've read:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/wargames.html

They should blame themselves for being there in the first place. They shouldn't be there. Let it all ride out and then go in. That's what the UN does. =)

It is US and Uks fault I guess a little bit. Since they invaded and all.

Nope. This is a more accurate explanation of what's going on in Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter) than anything else I've read:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/wargames.html

Heh. That is excellent.

Heh. That is excellent.
My favorites are 5 and 6.
5. I want that "Public Support" meter to rise and fall according to Troops Lost, Length of Conflict, Innocents Killed and Whether or Not There is Anything Else On TV That Week. I want to lose 200 Public Support points because, in a war where 8,000 units have been lost, one of my Mutalisks happened to be caught on video accidentally eating one clergyman. Then, later, my destruction of an entire enemy city goes unnoticed because the Nude Zero-Gravity Futureball championship went into overtime.

6. Speaking of innocents, I want a War Sim where native townsfolk stand shoulder-to shoulder on every inch of the map and not a single bomb can be dropped without blowing 200 of them into chunks. Forget about the abandoned building wallpaper in Red Alert 2. I want to have to choose between sending marines door-to-door to be killed in the streets or leveling the block from afar, Nuns and all, with 30 carriers. I want to have to choose between 40 dead troops or 400 dead children, and be damned to Hell by chubby pundits from the safety of their studios regardless of which way I go.

EXCUSE ME? the US's fault?! hell no man. it was Osama's fault when he decided to fly planes into the pinnacles of western civilization. and let me tell you something. there has been a total of 2,110 American deaths in Iraq over the course of a few years. The first day of the D-Day landings over 2,500 men were killed. more men were killed in one day of hard fighting then in a whole war that is winding down.

Kokutai']EXCUSE ME? the US's fault?! hell no man. it was Osama's fault when he decided to fly planes into the pinnacles of western civilization.

Friend, the twin towers were not the pinnacles of western civilisation, nor is the pentagon! Heaven help us if they were!

Bush's decision to fight Iraq, to topple Saddam (and Blair et al.'s decisions to support him), are the reasons for the conflict now being focused in Iraq. Osama's idea it wasn't - mass murdering f*$%head he may be, but he didn't decide to go to war with Iraq! The responsibility for that situation lies with some Western leaders; ergo, it can be argued that they helped create the context where weird wee groups abduct westerners.

This is the biggest load I have ever heard. Somone invading someone else DOES NOT give you carte blanche to go frolicking around in a frickn' warzone. If you DO want to go there and stand up for what you beleive in, fine. But its...a...warzone. A zone with war. Like, with guns and stuff. Which are dangerous.

I mean, if I were to pack up the contents of my bedroom and (not to poke fun at France's latest Darwin Award winners) move out and sleep in an electrical station to protest it's construction over my grandparents home that was posessed by Eminent Doman and torn down, should I expect some sympathy or compensation when I get myself electrocuted?

How stupid could you possibly be? I mean, it's the middle of a war zone...what kind of civilian would even think of doing that?

6. Speaking of innocents, I want a War Sim where native townsfolk stand shoulder-to shoulder on every inch of the map and not a single bomb can be dropped without blowing 200 of them into chunks.

*snip*

Such a game exists already. It's called September 12th (http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm).