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Let the right-wing wailing begin. (http://www.villagevoice.com/film/0548,lim,70455,20.html) You know, if I didn't know better from this interview, I might be cynical enough to think that this director made this film just so he could get on Bill O'Reilly's enemies list, or get screeched at by Rush Limbaugh or called unAmerican by Chris Wallace/Brit Hume/John Gibson/Shepard Smith/Joe Scarborough/Tucker Carlson/Lou Dobbs/whatever other blowdried talking head you can think of strictly for the publicity.

Anyway, I don't have cable, so I can't even take advantage of the free weekend of Showtime to watch this, but it sounds, well, like a zombie movie.

TURIN, ITALY "This is a horror story because most of the characters are Republicans," director Joe Dante announced before the November 13 world premiere of his latest movie, Homecoming, at the Turin Film Festival. Republicans, as it happens, will be the ones who find Homecoming's agitprop premise scariest: In an election year, dead veterans of the current conflict crawl out of their graves and stagger single-mindedly to voting booths so they can eject the president who sent them to fight a war sold on "horseshit and elbow grease."

The dizzying high point of Showtime's new Masters of Horror series, the hour-long Homecoming (which premieres December 2) is easily one of the most important political films of the Bush II era. With its only slightly caricatured right-wingers, the film nails the casual fraudulence and contortionist rhetoric that are the signatures of the Bush-Cheney administration. Its dutiful hero, presidential consultant David Murch (Jon Tenney), reports to a Karl Rove–like guru named Kurt Rand (Robert Picardo) and engages in kinky power fucks with attack-bitch pundit Jane Cleaver (Thea Gill), a blonde, leggy Ann Coulter proxy with a "No Sex for All" tank top and "BSH BABE" license plates. Murch's glib, duplicitous condescension is apparently what triggers the zombie uprising: Confronting an angry mother of a dead soldier on a news talk show, he tells this Cindy Sheehan figure, "If I had one wish . . . I would wish for your son to come back," so he could assure the country of the importance of the war. The boy does return, along with legions of fallen combatants, and they all beg to differ.

Just a side note on the last paragraph there--and I'm only doing this because I know the venom that gets spewed when some people around here see the name Sheehan--that was a case, the director notes, where real life caught up with fiction.
Real events were indeed catching up with Homecoming before it was completed. "It was only when we started shooting that Cindy Sheehan emerged," Dante says. "It was weird, because everybody said [of the war mother character], 'Oh, you based that on Cindy Sheehan!' It was just a coincidence, but I guess it was inevitable that somebody like that would show up."

So how long before some right-winger gets hold of this and calls for a Showtime boycott? And who will it be? You want to start a pool?

I vote this as the least politically correct film of the year.

Don't forget the bitchfests from self-proclaimed NS Vets who all suddenly develop John Edwards-like psychic powers and claim that the dead Iraq Vets all supported Bush.

With its only slightly caricatured right-wingers . . . Its dutiful hero, presidential consultant David Murch . . . and engages in kinky power fucks with attack-bitch pundit Jane Cleaver (Thea Gill), a blonde, leggy Ann Coulter proxy with a "No Sex for All" tank top and "BSH BABE" license plates.
Yeah, just like real life with only a bit of exaggeration.
But I suppose that straying a hair or two away from reality is perfectly forgiveable, considering how mindbendingly fresh the humour in the movie is. I mean, "OMFGZ!!! 4NN KULT3R 15 BD5M N4Z1!!!!" is just so original! Did you hear that Michael Moore is fat, too?

Well, she's certainly more attractive than Ann Coulter is.

http://www.theagill.com/common_img/index_img.jpg

Thea Gill, who's playing the Coulter-esque character.

So how long before some right-winger gets hold of this and calls for a Showtime boycott? And who will it be? You want to start a pool?

It'll be Rush. Everyone cues off of him. Then it'll go to the freepers. After that it'll get on TV. Faux News will latch onto it like a remora.

Zombie movies have always been social commentary, but that's well tread ground that I'm sure everyone knows.

This direct, however...I'm suprised actually that I didn't hear about this first from the White Noise Machine-I was actually allowed to form an impression of it before the nattering started. Maybe they are slipping...

It'll be Rush. Everyone cues off of him. Then it'll go to the freepers. After that it'll get on TV. Faux News will latch onto it like a remora.

Sort of like how a zombie epidemic spreads, I just noticed that.

Well, she's certainly more attractive than Ann Coulter is.

Hell, my cat's stomach (which droops, jiggles, and is filled with liquid, jello-like fat) is more attractive than her.

It'll be Rush. Everyone cues off of him. Then it'll go to the freepers. After that it'll get on TV. Faux News will latch onto it like a remora.
My gut says it'll be O'Reilly, although he may be too busy compiling his enemies list and boycotting France to get to this one.


Speaking of the enemies list, I found it funny that he went after the NY Daily News and not the Times, at least until I found out that the daily News dropped his newspaper column. It got picked up by the Post, owned by, who else, Rupert Murdoch.

Zombie movies have always been social commentary, but that's well tread ground that I'm sure everyone knows.
Yeah, but they used to have this thing called "craft", in my day. We had things like "symbollism", "themes", and "subtle satire." All you young'ns appreciate is having the director tattoo whatever his political bent happens to be across your eyeballs so that not even a deaf five year old with downs syndrom could miss it.
This direct, however...I'm suprised actually that I didn't hear about this first from the White Noise Machine-I was actually allowed to form an impression of it before the nattering started. Maybe they are slipping...
Or maybe "This pitiful zombie movie, this fucking B movie" isn't really worth anybody's time? Dennis Lim seems to think it is, but I get the feeling that his lips have been superglued to Joe Dante's ass for so long that what little connect with reality he might have had initially has slipped away.

Yeah, but they used to have this thing called "craft", in my day. We had things like "symbollism", "themes", and "subtle satire." All you young'ns appreciate is having the director tattoo whatever his political bent happens to be across your eyeballs so that not even a deaf five year old with downs syndrom could miss it.
Dude. First, I'm older than you. Second, I didn't make this movie. Why with the hatin'? Where's the love, man-Where's the love???
Or maybe "This pitiful zombie movie, this fucking B movie" isn't really worth anybody's time? Dennis Lim seems to think it is, but I get the feeling that his lips have been superglued to Joe Dante's ass for so long that what little connect with reality he might have had initially has slipped away.
Since when have they started letting the little shit go? I guess when they're overwhelmed....

Or maybe "This pitiful zombie movie, this fucking B movie" isn't really worth anybody's time? Dennis Lim seems to think it is, but I get the feeling that his lips have been superglued to Joe Dante's ass for so long that what little connect with reality he might have had initially has slipped away.

This is the same White Noise Machine who frothed at their mouths like an offended Scientology Church at Cindy Sheehan and (likely) believed she was a bigger traitor than Aldritch Ames and Robert Whats-His-Name. Far as I can recall, they are not known for Not Sweating The Small Stuff in their Hubbard-esque megalomanical need to silence and marginalize all dissenting voices.

I vote this as the least politically correct film of the year.

Didn't manage to catch The Aristocrats, did ya? Yeah, its documentary, but see it, I promise, you'll laugh. Or get really, really angry. Still, I don't think you could make a movie less PC than The Aristocrats.

Didn't manage to catch The Aristocrats, did ya? Yeah, its documentary, but see it, I promise, you'll laugh. Or get really, really angry. Still, I don't think you could make a movie less PC than The Aristocrats.
Yeah, you're right about that one, especially that bit close to the end where the comics venture away from the scatalogical form of the joke and into the racially charged part of it.

Dude. First, I'm older than you.
Well, um . . . Your mom is older then both of us! So there!:p
Second, I didn't make this movie. Why with the hatin'? Where's the love, man-Where's the love???
Fine. I've got half an hour before my next, so I think I can work you in provided you're willing to make it fast.
Since when have they started letting the little shit go? I guess when they're overwhelmed....
When the house is on fire, the color of the drapes doesn't seem so earth shattering.

This is the same White Noise Machine who frothed at their mouths like an offended Scientology Church at Cindy Sheehan and (likely) believed she was a bigger traitor than Aldritch Ames and Robert Whats-His-Name. Far as I can recall, they are not known for Not Sweating The Small Stuff in their Hubbard-esque megalomanical need to silence and marginalize all dissenting voices.
Are you implying that there are some similarities between Republicans and Scientologists?

Are you implying that there are some similarities between Republicans and Scientologists?

Real Republicans? No. The Busheviks? Yes, in that both have an unhealthy obcession with demonizing and marginalizing all critics and that they tend to go to unnecessary and sometimes unreal extremes to do so.

Real Republicans? No. The Busheviks? Yes, in that both have an unhealthy obcession with demonizing and marginalizing all critics and that they tend to go to unnecessary and sometimes unreal extremes to do so.

So no one, for example, on Air America, ever demonizes anyone?

And you never demonize any Republicans?

Dude. First, I'm older than you. Second, I didn't make this movie. Why with the hatin'? Where's the love, man-Where's the love???

Don't bother. Fiddly lives for shit like this. I've never seen him actually being a good human being, which leads me to believe that he isn't one at all...

Since when have they started letting the little shit go? I guess when they're overwhelmed....

They'll get to this one eventually. Right now they're too busy sqwaking about NSVI, and how it actually IS a plan for real "victory" and not just a PR stunt.

So no one, for example, on Air America, ever demonizes anyone?

And you never demonize any Republicans?

Coming from the epitomy of cynical indifference and futility in politics, I should dismiss this as a disingenuous potshot, but I'll answer anyways.

Demonizing alone is one thing. Demonizing and then going to extreme measures in addition to that is quite another.

Nobody in Air America exposed Valerie Plame because Joe Wilson said the Nigerian Yellow Cake story was a crock of shit.

Nobody in Air America dismissed Anthony Zinni because he said we needed a lot more men in Iraq than what Dear Leader and Emperor Cheney wanted to send there.

So no one, for example, on Air America, ever demonizes anyone?

And you never demonize any Republicans?

Well, that's not exactly fair. Republicans ARE demons, after all. :D

Coming from the epitomy of cynical indifference and futility in politics, I should dismiss this as a disingenuous potshot, but I'll answer anyways.

Demonizing alone is one thing. Demonizing and then going to extreme measures in addition to that is quite another.

Nobody in Air America exposed Valerie Plame because Joe Wilson said the Nigerian Yellow Cake story was a crock of shit.

Nobody in Air America dismissed Anthony Zinni because he said we needed a lot more men in Iraq than what Dear Leader and Emperor Cheney wanted to send there.

Maybe we should go back to the good old days where Ron Brown was shot in the head with a .45 caliber pistol before his body was discovered in a plane crash.

Maybe we should go back to the good old days where Ron Brown was shot in the head with a .45 caliber pistol before his body was discovered in a plane crash.

"Clinton, waaah" again Sierra? Wow, for someone who whines about politics being a corrupt system on both sides you sure lean on the Right a lot.

And they say Cindy Sheehan is an attention whore...

:rolleyes:

Maybe we should go back to the good old days where Ron Brown was shot in the head with a .45 caliber pistol before his body was discovered in a plane crash.
Oh, you mean way off in the conspiracy zone, where even Lyndon LaRouche and Newsmax fear to tread.

"Clinton, waaah" again Sierra? Wow, for someone who whines about politics being a corrupt system on both sides you sure lean on the Right a lot.

And they say Cindy Sheehan is an attention whore...

:rolleyes:

She isn't getting zero attention, but according to the photographer, it's slowed to a trickle.
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001572310

There are some issues on the Right that I take issue with. But the Democrats are not Left, and I have many more issues with them.

Heh. Another reason why I don't watch independent films.:p

Maybe we should go back to the good old days where Ron Brown was shot in the head with a .45 caliber pistol before his body was discovered in a plane crash.

Is that really all you have? Black helicopter conspiracies, and circumstantial evidence? If you like this one, how are you on the "magic bullet" theory? Or, D.B. Cooper?

Oh, you mean way off in the conspiracy zone, where even Lyndon LaRouche and Newsmax fear to tread.

I remember going to Ft. Marcy Park a few years ago. A lot of people picnic there, and it was a Friday afternoon.

I drive a car that looks like a government vehicle, and I dress in a black suit, wear sunglasses, and have a military haircut.

Many people in this area do not believe, for example, that Vince Foster committed suicide. And many are afraid to talk about it.

All I had to do is walk into the park, and people who were picnicing fled without taking their possessions. Just parked where everyone knows Vince parked, and walked up to the place where he had supposedly shot himself, and looked around.

They left everything, ran to their cars, and drove off.

Is that really all you have? Black helicopter conspiracies, and circumstantial evidence? If you like this one, how are you on the "magic bullet" theory? Or, D.B. Cooper?

D.B. Cooper is still looking for a chance to bust out of Fox River.

:D :D :D

Is that really all you have? Black helicopter conspiracies, and circumstantial evidence? If you like this one, how are you on the "magic bullet" theory? Or, D.B. Cooper?

1. It's not possible to hit something that many times with a rifle bullet and have it be undistorted.

2. During the Warren Commission investigation, a team of FBI rifle experts and a team of Army rifle experts tried to duplicate the shooting. Although these experts were technically close to the best rifle shots in the nation (especially the Army experts), none were able to use Oswald's weapon in order to hit the targets in the time allotted - and that was with stationary targets - Oswald was hitting moving targets. In fact, in order to get the rifle on target at all with the scope, major modifications and repairs had to be made - the scope was just not mounted in such a way as to make it possible for Oswald to hit anything. The testimony of these experts on this matter was removed during the final edit of the Commission's report. That's the testimony of six experts - removed.

I remember going to Ft. Marcy Park a few years ago. A lot of people picnic there, and it was a Friday afternoon.

I drive a car that looks like a government vehicle, and I dress in a black suit, wear sunglasses, and have a military haircut.

Many people in this area do not believe, for example, that Vince Foster committed suicide. And many are afraid to talk about it.

All I had to do is walk into the park, and people who were picnicing fled without taking their possessions. Just parked where everyone knows Vince parked, and walked up to the place where he had supposedly shot himself, and looked around.

They left everything, ran to their cars, and drove off.

Personally, I'd run too. The way you described yourself also could be taken for one of those whackjobs who opens fire on shopping malls.

Personally, I'd run too. The way you described yourself also could be taken for one of those whackjobs who opens fire on shopping malls.
Falling Down like a mothafucka yo!:D

Falling Down like a mothafucka yo!:D

"You forgot the briefcase!!"

Personally, I'd run too. The way you described yourself also could be taken for one of those whackjobs who opens fire on shopping malls.

Before they ran, you could hear them speculating that I was one of the guys who "did" Vince Foster.

People around here believe he was killed.

Maybe we should go back to the good old days where Ron Brown was shot in the head with a .45 caliber pistol before his body was discovered in a plane crash.

Wait a second. They shot him, and then crashed his plane? If they shot him first, why did they bother crashing his plane?

Before they ran, you could hear them speculating that I was one of the guys who "did" Vince Foster.

People around here believe he was killed.

Well, I know a lot of peole who "believe" in the flying spaghetti monster. Does that make it real?

Well, I know a lot of peole who "believe" in the flying spaghetti monster. Does that make it real?
No, but I live and work around here, and have heard a large number of people discuss it - even to this day.

A lot of people refuse to go to Ft. Marcy Park for just that reason.

Well, I know a lot of peole who "believe" in the flying spaghetti monster. Does that make it real?

Only if the Flying Spaghetti Monster is really the Great Pumpkin... or even more dangerous, Chuck Norris' Beard!

Wait a second. They shot him, and then crashed his plane? If they shot him first, why did they bother crashing his plane?
Don't know, but the photos of his head are hard to explain.

No, but I live and work around here, and have heard a large number of people discuss it - even to this day.

A lot of people refuse to go to Ft. Marcy Park for just that reason.
I live down the street from a Bigfoot Museum, has weekly meetings even.

Just sayin'.

The direction this thread is going, we'll be back to zombies in no time. :D

The direction this thread is going, we'll be back to zombies in no time. :D

Just stay away from my record collection!

EDIT: Oh, and leave all the "drunk girls" to me ;)

...Where's my cricket bat??

No, but I live and work around here, and have heard a large number of people discuss it - even to this day.

A lot of people refuse to go to Ft. Marcy Park for just that reason.
"Appealing to the majority", especially when it's a very localised majority, and especially when we only have anecdotal evidence to even know that it is a majority is not a sound debating technique.

"Appealing to the majority", especially when it's a very localised majority, and especially when we only have anecdotal evidence to even know that it is a majority is not a sound debating technique.

Ok, I'll bite.

You explain how Vince obtained a pistol made before 1934 (which conveniently had no serial number). These are commonly referred to as 'sterile' weapons, and they are virtually impossible to obtain in working order.

The Park Police did the investigation, and they wrote in their report that it was Vince's grandfather's gun - even though the family stated that no one in their entire family had ever owned a pistol. No one stated that it belonged to Vince's grandfather, and no sales record was ever produced - the Park Police just made an assumption and put it in the report.

Vince himself had never bought or owned a gun. And he did not purchase any ammunition.

Ok, I'll bite.

You explain how Vince obtained a pistol made before 1934 (which conveniently had no serial number). These are commonly referred to as 'sterile' weapons, and they are virtually impossible to obtain in working order.

The Park Police did the investigation, and they wrote in their report that it was Vince's grandfather's gun - even though the family stated that no one in their entire family had ever owned a pistol. No one stated that it belonged to Vince's grandfather, and no sales record was ever produced - the Park Police just made an assumption and put it in the report.

Vince himself had never bought or owned a gun. And he did not purchase any ammunition.

My vote goes with the Black Helicopters, or maybe the aliens. Though I wouldn't rule out time-travelers either. Though in the end it'll probably be chalked up to BEARS...

The direction this thread is going, we'll be back to zombies in no time. :D
Maybe they'll do their answer film, where zombie Vince Foster fights zombie angry casualties.

Here, Nazz. A zombie game for you, with music...
http://www.viceland.com/se/v2n2/htdocs/game.php

Ok, I'll bite.

You explain how Vince obtained a pistol made before 1934 (which conveniently had no serial number). These are commonly referred to as 'sterile' weapons, and they are virtually impossible to obtain in working order.

The Park Police did the investigation, and they wrote in their report that it was Vince's grandfather's gun - even though the family stated that no one in their entire family had ever owned a pistol. No one stated that it belonged to Vince's grandfather, and no sales record was ever produced - the Park Police just made an assumption and put it in the report.

Vince himself had never bought or owned a gun. And he did not purchase any ammunition.
I am not American and I don't know about this case and I really don't care either. Just commenting on the debating technique. Saying "everyone knows that it happened!" just doesn't cut it.

My vote goes with the Black Helicopters, or maybe the aliens. Though I wouldn't rule out time-travelers either. Though in the end it'll probably be chalked up to BEARS...
Bears are on notice. ;)

Maybe they'll do their answer film, where zombie Vince Foster fights zombie angry casualties.
That, I might pay to see.