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It seems I'm a feminist and didn't even know it. The porn I buy is actually empowering to women. It doesn't treat them as sex objects (except Max Hardcore's stuff). I wish Andrea Dworkin was alive for a few months more so she could see this study before she died.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17352073-29277,00.html

analysed 50 of the bestselling pornographic videos in Australia to find out whether people were represented as sex objets

I want to be on that pannel

Any industry where women get paid to be filmed doing something that causes millions of men to pull out their credit cards, spend money, and sit in front of a video screen pulling their puds to the tune of 40 billion a year in the US alone is probably not a bad thing for women.

One might worry about the millions of men sitting around holding themselves.

Any industry where women get paid to be filmed doing something that causes millions of men to pull out their credit cards, spend money, and sit in front of a video screen pulling their puds to the tune of 40 billion a year in the US alone is probably not a bad thing for women.

One might worry about the millions of men sitting around holding themselves.

One might, but i somehow dont think anyone is going to.

Porn also helps leaving the more extreme sexual acts to porn stars rather than normal people. Even though porn is hardly the most innocent of things, it does do a lot in helping men (and women) diffuse their sexual tensions.

So, when I use porn, I'm empowering women?

*goes out to empower women*

Interim results released in 2003 on the content of pornographic movies found super-size breasts scare some men, conservative voters love dirty magazines and adult videos have realistic plots.

Wait, what? I wonder what kind of porn they were watching.

Any industry where women get paid to be filmed doing something that causes millions of men to pull out their credit cards, spend money, and sit in front of a video screen pulling their puds to the tune of 40 billion a year in the US alone is probably not a bad thing for women.

One might worry about the millions of men sitting around holding themselves.
Leave them to wear themselves out. Just means more cash in the coffers of capitalist pig-dog-porn-barons.:cool:

Wait, what? I wonder what kind of porn they were watching.

These are real people, with real problems. Sometimes the sink is clogged. Sometimes the package needs delivery. Sometimes the patient needs treatment. And sometimes, only the very sexy and well-endowed can do the job.

And why are people surprised about the study? the vast majority who are in the porn industry, CHOOSE to be in it - the know that without them and their tight twat, ass and generous chest size, there wouldn't be a movie - so lets stop assuming (like feminists do - who as a side issue, had they heard of a razor and facial hair removal, they just might actually meet someone (coupled with learning the idea that a voice like a tuba isn't at all sexy)) that some how porn is the 'control of women by the man!".

But hey, it its funny; if a man tells a women what to do, its considered being 'patriarchal' and 'misogynist', but when a feminist chucks a hissie fit like an 8 year old child, its spun as the individual 'looking out for the rights of females' - no wonder so many females are moving away from those sorts; females want equal rights but at the same time, they don't want to be belittled by a whole different set of people altogether.

If I was a woman, I would be a porn star.

there is porn and there is porn eh?

most of the porn i see is very kind to women. they are depicted as having great fun no matter how many men they are fucking at one time. (although that horrid look of boredom that women have in blowjob closeups is quite the turnoff)

but there IS that porn that features women being abused. anti-porn activists would have you believe that its the majority of the porn the average man looks at but i have my doubts.

in any case im thinking that a women would do well to check out her boyfriends most visited porn sites to see which kind he prefers. if he loves the stuff that is basically everyone having a really good time, its fine. if he loves the bdsm/torture stuff, she might want to think carefully about who she is dating.

These are real people, with real problems. Sometimes the sink is clogged. Sometimes the package needs delivery. Sometimes the patient needs treatment. And sometimes, only the very sexy and well-endowed can do the job.

Did someone call?

if he loves the bdsm/torture stuff, she might want to think carefully about who she is dating.

Unless he's open about his fetishes, then she should just pick out a safeword. ;)

If I was a woman, I would be a porn star.
Dude, there are so MANY inappropriate replies to that statement that they all clogged up in my brain and none came out.

Dude, there are so MANY inappropriate replies to that statement that they all clogged up in my brain and none came out.

Good ole' 3 Stooges syndrome.

Unless he's open about his fetishes, then she should just pick out a safeword. ;)
only if shes interested in it too

hmmmmm... posing nude for a bunch of pervs doesn't exactly seem like it's empowering eh?

On all fours no less.

I guess the industry is bent over.

hmmmmm... posing nude for a bunch of pervs doesn't exactly seem like it's empowering eh?

Have you tried?

I guess the industry is bent over.

I find porn to be very uplifiting.

Have you tried?

Turn 18 in february... so i guess that opens the door :P:rolleyes:

I've been thinking about the issue of porn quite a lot recently actually; I've changed my mind many times, having gone through phases of being very anti porn and very pro porn. One thing I realised was that these women clearly aren't (always) being forced into being porn actresses/models. They could just as easily go work in a supermarket or something to get money so the fact is that some women must want to be in porn - a fact that I think a lot of feminists deny or at least ignore. It would be a lot easier for us to make our case if all these women were making porn against their will because then we could blame it all on men because they're oh so patriarchal, but clearly this isn't the case the majority of the time. Something that does worry me though is why they'd want to do it, why the idea of being wanked over and seen doing what I personally would consider to be special and intimate acts would be an appealing one. It speaks volumes about the attitude of our society towards sex and towards women; having actually bothered to look at various porn sites etc. to see what goes on (another thing which I suspect many anti-porn 'feminists' don't do) it was very rarely that I saw a woman's personality being praised or emphasised (I didn't count 'she just loves to suck cock' as a personality trait haha), nor did I see any notion of loving partnerships in most of it. I don't think porn causes that problem though, more highlights the fact that it's there.
As for women in porn not being sex objects, well that's debateable. Insofar as the movie is concerned, they may well be the dominant party or 'sexual agent', and they may well appear to be having a lot of fun, but if a guy is watching porno (I'm excluding male-on-male seeing as the issue here is with women), who is he going to be wanking over, the men or the women? On the vast majority of the sites that I saw, the men in the movies and pictures weren't even named, whereas we find out the women's names, measurements, what a lovely firm rack they have, how much they love cock, etc. etc... So even if the woman in the movie is not the 'object' as far as the man in the movie is concerned, she almost certainly is as far as the guy wanking over the movie is concerned.
Anyway, I ought to be doing an essay so I shall stop my rant for the moment.

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What the hell? A proper response on the second page?

(like feminists do - who as a side issue, had they heard of a razor and facial hair removal, they just might actually meet someone (coupled with learning the idea that a voice like a tuba isn't at all sexy)

Just as a side issue, that's a hideous generalisation, I know many feminists who are in happy relationships with men (myself included), and many feminists who are married. Feminism isn't about hating men, it's about having good equal interactions with them. I don't know very many ugly feminists either. Hairy ones yes, but that doesn't equal ugly.

why the idea of being wanked over and seen doing what I personally would consider to be special and intimate acts would be an appealing one.
Hmmm I wouldn't mind that, but I'm not a girl :p...and I wouldn't do it on film either.

In any case, I doubt that porn is empowering. At best, it helps diffuse sexual tension.

Just as a side issue, that's a hideous generalisation, I know many feminists who are in happy relationships with men (myself included), and many feminists who are married. Feminism isn't about hating men, it's about having good equal interactions with them. I don't know very many ugly feminists either. Hairy ones yes, but that doesn't equal ugly.
Heh, even the hairy ones are becoming fewer...many women don't like the idea of hair on themselves, just like many men nowadays want to be smoother.

Heh, even the hairy ones are becoming fewer...many women don't like the idea of hair on themselves, just like many men nowadays want to be smoother.

True that. I suppose it depends on the individual. Weirdly though since I stopped shaving I've felt a lot more confident in my looks. Maybe I'm just strange. Or lucky.

Its a matter of individual preference in the end.

Something that does worry me though is why they'd want to do it, why the idea of being wanked over and seen doing what I personally would consider to be special and intimate acts would be an appealing one.

Because A) not everyone feels the same way about sex, and B) it's an easy job that pays well.

it was very rarely that I saw a woman's personality being praised or emphasised (I didn't count 'she just loves to suck cock' as a personality trait haha), nor did I see any notion of loving partnerships in most of it.

This is the good 'ole "objectifying women" thing that I never really grasped. Why should the woman's personality or character be addressed? She's just someone doing a job, producing a commodity I want, and pay for. When I go to the supermarket, I'm not expecting a decent conversation from any of the people working there. I'm expecting them to do their job of supplying me groceries. Are they being objectified too?

Heh, even the hairy ones are becoming fewer...many women don't like the idea of hair on themselves, just like many men nowadays want to be smoother.
Many women shave or have their body hair removed, especially in climates where you end up wearing a bikini frequently. I think it has more to do with your culture and how cold it is.

I've met women who don't like hair, don't care one way or the other, and some who crave hairy, hairy men.

Many women shave or have their body hair removed, especially in climates where you end up wearing a bikini frequently. I think it has more to do with your culture and how cold it is.

I've met women who don't like hair, don't care one way or the other, and some who crave hairy, hairy men.
Even in colder climates, some women (and men) just like the idea of being smooth all the time. I like being somewhat smooth, not totally hairless, but I don't mind too much in other guys either way, so long as they aren't too hairy.

Even in colder climates, some women (and men) just like the idea of being smooth all the time. I like being somewhat smooth, not totally hairless, but I don't mind too much in other guys, so long as they aren't too hairy.
I hate a hairy back, and I hate a hairy ass (on men or women) even more.

Likewise, and I will add I don't like facial hair either. So I take it you like both men and women then?

Likewise. So I take it you like both men and women then?
When I was younger, I favored men more than women. When I was in the Army, this went about half and half, and then I moved on to favor women.

This is the good 'ole "objectifying women" thing that I never really grasped. Why should the woman's personality or character be addressed? She's just someone doing a job, producing a commodity I want, and pay for.

I think that sums up objectifying women perfectly. There to look at, there to be fucked, there to be wanked over. A commodity. I suppose it's down to your personal opinion on that kind of thing but as far as I'm concerned women are people and not commodities, and sex is an act of affection between people and not a commodity. I guess it comes down to respecting and appreciating other people.

I think that sums up objectifying women perfectly. There to look at, there to be fucked, there to be wanked over. A commodity. I suppose it's down to your personal opinion on that kind of thing but as far as I'm concerned women are people and not commodities, and sex is an act of affection between people and not a commodity. I guess it comes down to respecting and appreciating other people.

There's plenty of gay porn out there. Gay men who buy it, and wank over it.

Sex is not only for affection. Get a clue - it's fun, it's free, and it's natural. As long as no one is being forced to do it, and as long as everyone is a willing adult, then what's the problem?

By your logic, gay men are objectifying themselves.

Agreed. Those participating in the production of porn are willing to further compound this argument. It also helps people live out fantasies in their mind that are best left staying there, rather than being acted out in reality.

Sometimes the idea of being treated as a sexual object (or treating a willing one as such) is highly arousing to me :p So basically you are bisexual Deep Kimchi, but have moved to preferring women. Interesting. :)

Agreed. Those participating in the production of porn are willing to further compound this argument. It also helps people live out fantasies in their mind that are best left staying there, rather than being acted out in reality.

Sometimes the idea of being treated as a sexual object (or treating a willing one as such) is highly arousing to me :p So basically you are bisexual Deep Kimchi, but have moved to preferring women. Interesting. :)

It has led to my wife and I swinging.

I think that sums up objectifying women perfectly. There to look at, there to be fucked, there to be wanked over. A commodity. I suppose it's down to your personal opinion on that kind of thing but as far as I'm concerned women are people and not commodities,

Read again. I didn't say the woman is a commodity, I said she supplies a commodity. As in service. The same way a waitress supplies a commodity, a store clerk supplies a commodity, a police officer supplies a commodity...

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On the vast majority of the sites that I saw, the men in the movies and pictures weren't even named, whereas we find out the women's names, measurements, what a lovely firm rack they have, how much they love cock, etc. etc... So even if the woman in the movie is not the 'object' as far as the man in the movie is concerned, she almost certainly is as far as the guy wanking over the movie is concerned.
Except doesn't the emphasis on the woman prove that the man is the one being objectified? The woman is made a part of a fantasy and (minimal) effort is put into developing her as a (two-dimensional) character.
The man is just a prop, there for no purpose other then his dick.
Anyway, I ought to be doing an essay so I shall stop my rant for the moment.
God man, where are your priorities? NS + Pr0n > Essay.

It has led to my wife and I swinging.
Yours must be quite an interesting relationship :)

Excellent point Vimeria, one that I raise very often. Everyone is "prostituting" their services in the capitalist system. :p

The man is just a prop, there for no purpose other then his dick. You mean, like what the radical feminists say men are for?:p

Hah, we'll go to any lengths to convince ourselves that we're "empowering women." Let's at least be honest like in the good old days.

Yours must be quite an interesting relationship :)

Excellent point Vimeria, one that I raise very often. Everyone is "prostituting" their services in the capitalist system. :p

If my wife and I agree on the rules beforehand, and are completely honest, there's no reason we can't enjoy ourselves.

One might worry about the millions of men sitting around holding themselves.
ROFLMAO!!! :D

ROFLMAO!!! :D
There's nothing like watching porn with a woman, and suddenly having her perk up and say, "Why can't we do that?"

If my wife and I agree on the rules beforehand, and are completely honest, there's no reason we can't enjoy ourselves.
Heh, I hope I can enter a relationship with a guy who thinks that way. Guys of my age are open-minded though, which is always good :)

I hate a hairy back, and I hate a hairy ass (on men or women) even more.
I think most people agree on the fact that a hairy ass isn't really appealing.

Thank God for giving us laser epilation.

only if shes interested in it too
Or does it "out of luvvvv!" :D

Heh, I hope I can enter a relationship with a guy who thinks that way. Guys of my age are open-minded though, which is always good :)
There's open-mindedness, and then there's jealousy.

Some people, regardless of gender, just can't deal with the jealousy thing.

I think most people agree on the fact that a hairy ass isn't really appealing.

Thank God for giving us laser epilation.

My wife, when we're in a swing club, will say, "look at the butt tuft on that guy..."

It's really revolting.

I may suffer a little from that, as do most guys I am interested in :p

By your logic, gay men are objectifying themselves.
And damn, do we love it :D

I may suffer a little from that, as do most guys I am interested in :p
I've never been a jealous person. I don't appreciate being lied to, but I'm not a jealous person. Haven't met too many people like that.

My wife, when we're in a swing club, will say, "look at the butt tuft on that guy..."

It's really revolting.
Makes my skin crawl just hearing that. *shudders*

I've never been a jealous person. I don't appreciate being lied to, but I'm not a jealous person. Haven't met too many people like that.
Yeah, I mean I am hardly ever rampantly jealous myself. I wouldn't mind committing myself completely to one guy so long as he did the same, and was worth my time.

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hmmm... Tell me, how is treating yourself like the only value you have is your ability to make (for the most part) a bunch of perverted single men... never mind, I don't really want to finish that sentence.

Pornography debases and demeans all who involve themselves with it. Some of the most depraved individuals in the world work in that 'industry' and/or consume it's products. You all (if you're being honest with yourself) know that to be true. It's corrosive to personal character, and to society in general.

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Heh, even the hairy ones are becoming fewer...many women don't like the idea of hair on themselves, just like many men nowadays want to be smoother.
Frack that! I'm not into androgyny! :headbang:

Makes my skin crawl just hearing that. *shudders*
You would think that when you're going to a club where you know people will be looking at every square inch of your body, you would at least buy a razor.

Some people don't even seem to bathe. And a little cologne or perfume goes a long way, especially a nice selection.

Yeah, most people aren't in perfect shape - not everyone likes to work out. And some people get old. But please - at least use a razor and have someone check your backside before you go naked in public.

This is the good 'ole "objectifying women" thing that I never really grasped. Why should the woman's personality or character be addressed? She's just someone doing a job, producing a commodity I want, and pay for. When I go to the supermarket, I'm not expecting a decent conversation from any of the people working there. I'm expecting them to do their job of supplying me groceries. Are they being objectified too?
"Objectified?" Probably not. Discounted as human beings, perhaps. :p

Frack that! I'm not into androgyny! :headbang:
Neither am I...I just prefer slightly more feminine guys.

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hmmm... Tell me, how is treating yourself like the only value you have is your ability to make (for the most part) a bunch of perverted single men... never mind, I don't really want to finish that sentence.
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It's not the "only" value.

My wife enjoys sex. So do I. We do things that we see in porn movies - the major difference is that we don't film it. But there are other people there - some participating, and many watching. Does that mean it's the "only" value we have?

Hardly.

I hate a hairy back, and I hate a hairy ass (on men or women) even more.
ROFLMAO! "Hairy backs?" :eek:

Neither am I...I just prefer slightly more feminine guys.
Ever try someone oriental?

I think that sums up objectifying women perfectly. There to look at, there to be fucked, there to be wanked over. A commodity. I suppose it's down to your personal opinion on that kind of thing but as far as I'm concerned women are people and not commodities, and sex is an act of affection between people and not a commodity. I guess it comes down to respecting and appreciating other people.
Perxactly! :)

ROFLMAO! "Hairy backs?" :eek:
You would be surprised...

Pornography debases and demeans all who involve themselves with it. Some of the most depraved individuals in the world work in that 'industry' and/or consume it's products. You all (if you're being honest with yourself) know that to be true. It's corrosive to personal character, and to society in general.

No it's not. I'm a somewhat regular consumer of pornography, and that has neither debased me, nor affected my ability to enter a loving relationship based on trust, respect and equality.

Porn isn't monolithic. Personally, a good porn flick is one where you see smiles, hear chuckles, and everyone seems to enjoy him/herself equally.

'Course, in my kind of porn it's more laong the lines of "where everyone enjoys himself equally", but I think my rationale stands for pretty much every kind of porn out there.

A bit more about objectifying people: I don't believe that's what you're supposed to call it when a person does something of her own free will and is compensated for it. Slavery and human trade on the other hand: when decisions are made regarding a person's life without asking her opinion, when she's owned and traded like an object and never expected to question the justification for her situation... THAT'S objectifying.

Many blonde women I know are particularly hairy...they think you can't see the hair, but unlike what many think, blonde hair is lighter, not necessarily finer. Blonde people also tend to have more hair according to research. So some blonde women are even hairy on their backs.

Sex is not only for affection. Get a clue - it's fun, it's free, and it's natural. As long as no one is being forced to do it, and as long as everyone is a willing adult, then what's the problem?
It's fun and natural, true, but it's definiately NOT "free!"

And the problem is that anyone who discounts the affectional aspect of sex is missing out on well over 1/2 the fun. :p

No it's not. I'm a somewhat regular consumer of pornography, and that has neither debased me, nor affected my ability to enter a loving relationship based on trust, respect and equality.

Porn isn't monolithic. Personally, a good porn flick is one where you see smiles, hear chuckles, and everyone seems to enjoy him/herself equally.

'Course, in my kind of porn it's more laong the lines of "where everyone enjoys himself equally", but I think my rationale stands for pretty much every kind of porn out there.

I have a rather large collection of porn outtakes - really hilarious stuff.

Neither am I...I just prefer slightly more feminine guys.
Shaving your asscrack doesn't make you androgynous or feminine :rolleyes:

It's just common estethic sense, and hygiene.

A bit more about objectifying people: I don't believe that's what you're supposed to call it when a person does something of her own free will and is compensated for it. Slavery and human trade on the other hand: when decisions are made regarding a person's life without asking her opinion, when she's owned and traded like an object and never expected to question the justification for her situation... THAT'S objectifying.
Or he. Many guys are traded as sex slaves in Eastern Europe.

Shaving your asscrack doesn't make you androgynous or feminine :rolleyes:

It's just common estethic sense, and hygiene.
I never said it did. Eutrusca did. I also meant more feminine on the whole, ie as in looking more like a older teenager than manly.

It has led to my wife and I swinging.
Ah, Sierra returns. Can you guess who I am?

Everyone is "prostituting" their services in the capitalist system. :p
Oh for crying out loud! Groan! :headbang:

ROFLMAO! "Hairy backs?" :eek:
You'd be surprised. I'm starting to grow hair on my lower back, and it's slowly creeping up on my shoulders too.

I'm gonna have to book up a reservation to my local epilation center pretty soon.

And damn, do we love it :D
Haha yep :D

There's nothing like watching porn with a woman, and suddenly having her perk up and say, "Why can't we do that?"
Hehehe! Been there, done that. :D

Ah, Sierra returns. Can you guess who I am?
Fass?

Oh for crying out loud! Groan! :headbang:
Are they not?

Shaving your asscrack doesn't make you androgynous or feminine :rolleyes:

It's just common estethic sense, and hygiene.

Unless you like Klingons.

Or he. Many guys are traded as sex slaves in Eastern Europe.

Bit beside the point but yeah. Damn English and its separate pronouns for males and females.

Unless you like Klingons.you mean wookiees? :confused:

Or he. Many guys are traded as sex slaves in Eastern Europe.
I wish I could get my hands on one of those :D



(Please, don't make the mistake of taking this post seriously.

It's fun and natural, true, but it's definiately NOT "free!"

And the problem is that anyone who discounts the affectional aspect of sex is missing out on well over 1/2 the fun. :p

*applause* so true :D

Hehehe! Been there, done that. :D
It's easy to talk a guy into just about anything.

Talking a woman into doing something... most women are wound too tight.

... worth my time.
Your definition of this??? :)

Bit beside the point but yeah. Damn English and its separate pronouns for males and females.
Them (or themself) is usually an adequate replacement.

Eastern European boys do tend to be extremely good looking :)

you mean wookiees? :confused:
No, if you have too much butt hair, you get fecal detritus that "clings" to the hair...

hence, "Klingons"

Your definition of this??? :)
One who is good looking enough, intelligent enough and has both enough common ground and differences between him and myself to keep me interested. :)

You would be surprised...
I might, but I'm not going to be! Ick! LOL!

Unless you like Klingons.
:eek:


Ewwww!

You mean, like what the radical feminists say men are for?:p
Men are also good for causing all the evil in the world. Where would Feminists be without men? They'd actually have to admit that men aren't the source of all evil in the world and that women can be just as bad or worse.
Hah, we'll go to any lengths to convince ourselves that we're "empowering women." Let's at least be honest like in the good old days.
I want to know why anyone cares about empowering anyone? I'll look after my own power, you look after yours.

Eastern European boys do tend to be extremely good looking :)

Indeed they are. I wish I lived in eastern europe. That would either make me extremely good looking, or make it more likely for me to find an extrememly good looking boyfriend. It would be win-win, really.

hmmm... Tell me, how is treating yourself like the only value you have is your ability to make (for the most part) a bunch of perverted single men... never mind, I don't really want to finish that sentence.

What is wrong with that value (ability to turn them on) you have to consumers? That's capitalism. In a shop the only value you have to consumers is to swap their money for your goods.

Indeed they are. I wish I lived in eastern europe. That would either make me extremely good looking, or make it more likely for me to find an extrememly good looking boyfriend. It would be win-win, really.
I had a crush on some eastern european guys in my class...they have a certain exotic mystique to them :)

I had a crush on some eastern european guys in my class...they have a certain exotic mystique to them :)
And you gotta love their accent ;)

Men are also good for causing all the evil in the world. Where would Feminists be without men? They'd actually have to admit that men aren't the source of all evil in the world and that women can be just as bad or worse.

It's very easy to generalise and confuse the word 'feminist' with the word 'nutter'. Not all feminists are raving lunatics. Some are, most aren't.

What is wrong with that value (ability to turn them on) you have to consumers? That's capitalism. In a shop the only value you have to consumers is to swap their money for your goods.
Thereby minimising the vendor to acting as no more than a point of sale :D I adore how Economics often reduces humans to nothing more than factors that act within its sphere.

And you gotta love their accent ;)
They tend to be very hairy though. Tall, slim and hairy. With fascinating blue eyes.

Many blonde women I know are particularly hairy...they think you can't see the hair, but unlike what many think, blonde hair is lighter, not necessarily finer. Blonde people also tend to have more hair according to research. So some blonde women are even hairy on their backs.
ICK!

I do have to admit though, that I like it when a woman has a kind of really fine "down" of hair on her skin, particularly on her face. In the right light, this makes it look as though she has a kind of nimbus of light on her skin. [ sighs ] :D

They tend to be very hairy though. Tall, slim and hairy. With fascinating blue eyes.
Try someone Japanese. Thin, usually in excellent physical condition, and never hairy.

That is indeed attractive.

I never said it did. Eutrusca did. I also meant more feminine on the whole, ie as in looking more like a older teenager than manly.
Ah HA! Into the younger male, I see! Tsk! :p

Try someone Japanese. Thin, usually in excellent physical condition, and never hairy.
They do not attract me at all. As I said, I am not to partial to the amount of bodily hair one has, so long as its not excessive.

Ah HA! Into the younger male, I see! Tsk! :p
I am 19 myself, so 17-25 would be my age range :p

Are they not?
I suppose you could make a "technical" case for that, but definitely not in the pejorative sense of the word, no. :p

Well not in the pejorative sense (although the way some salespersons act to sell their products does leave me in awe), yet its well arguable in a general context.

ROFLMAO! "Hairy backs?" :eek:
Yep. Hairy backs. If I don't shave my back, which is a pain in the ass, I look like bigfoot.

They tend to be very hairy though. Tall, slim and hairy. With fascinating blue eyes.
Hence laser epilation.

Yep. Hairy backs. If I don't shave my back, which is a pain in the ass, I look like bigfoot.

Was this play-on-words on purpose? :p

Was this play-on-words on purpose? :p
No, I avoided using the term on an earlier thread about body hair because I thought someone would make some sort of comment. I just decided to use my own words in this thread.

Hence laser epilation.
Well the ones I liked were rich, so they could afford it (even if only one of them took advantage of it :rolleyes: )...most guys from there aren't that wealthy.

They tend to be very hairy though. Tall, slim and hairy. With fascinating blue eyes.

I'm not from Eastern Europe and I'm not very tall, but I'm also slim, pretty hairless, have blue eyes and an accent. Am I OK to hit on you?

Well the ones I liked were rich, so they could afford it (even if only one of them took advantage of it :rolleyes: )...most guys from there aren't that wealthy.
Well, then there's the razor. It's what I use for lack of funds to afford epilation.

By all means, feel free :p

I want to know why anyone cares about empowering anyone? I'll look after my own power, you look after yours. The power… is yours!

Sorry. Smite me.:(

I'm not from Eastern Europe and I'm not very tall, but I'm also slim, pretty hairless, have blue eyes and an accent. Am I OK to hit on you?
You're okay to hit on ME, pretty boy. :fluffle:

You're okay to hit on ME, pretty boy. :fluffle:
:headbang: :p I still beat you to it though ;)

It seems I'm a feminist and didn't even know it. The porn I buy is actually empowering to women. It doesn't treat them as sex objects (except Max Hardcore's stuff). I wish Andrea Dworkin was alive for a few months more so she could see this study before she died.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17352073-29277,00.html

-gets porn out- well fellas its time for me to help the feminist movement! :D

Would it be tactless to hit on both of you?

Hmm well nothing wrong with threesomes I guess ;)

:headbang: :p I still beat you to it though ;)
Maybe we can share him? I'm sure there's enough of him for both of us ;) :fluffle: :D

Hmm well nothing wrong with threesomes I guess ;)
I believe Fass is the local authority here on tact and etiquette...

Read above :)

Would it be tactless to hit on both of you?
Not at all, in fact I suggested just as much a moment ago.

But before you start: You do know that I'm a guy, right? Just thought you'd like to know before I screamed "SURPRISE!" :D

As am I :p

Not at all, in fact I suggested just as much a moment ago.

But before you start: You do know that I'm a guy, right? Just thought you'd like to know before I screamed "SURPRISE!" :D

We all know that...

Hmm well nothing wrong with threesomes I guess ;)

Maybe we can share him? I'm sure there's enough of him for both of us ;) :fluffle: :D

The words I've wanted to hear my whole life. They're just as beautiful as I thought...

I believe Fass is the local authority here on tact and etiquette...
Interesting, yet I know little of Fass, so I can't express an opinion on this as of yet :p

We all know that...
Well, that guy just showed up, so if he's read only the last page of the thread he might not have been aware of it.

The words I've wanted to hear my whole life. They're just as beautiful as I thought...
Hmmm and you're Finnish...I like guys from the North even more than those from Eastern Europe.

Interesting, yet I know little of Fass, so I can't express an opinion on this as of yet :p
Just remember, I always top.

Hehe, no problem there :)

As am I :p
You are?

Even better! :D

Whoo! Two pretty boyfriends for me! YAY! :fluffle:

The more the merrier ^^

Side note: if any of you happen to visit Québec city, TG me, because I'm just that desperate ;)

But before you start: You do know that I'm a guy, right? Just thought you'd like to know before I screamed "SURPRISE!" :D

I'm cool with that. ;)

I'm cool with that. ;)
Then we have a date :p


However did a bunch of gays/bisexual ever end up taking over a thread about women's empowerment in porn? :eek:

Side note: if any of you happen to visit Québec city, TG me, because I'm just that desperate ;)
Ever been to Le Chateau? 4951 St-Catherine e./Viau - et a Paris

Indeed we do ^^

Heh, lets not get into the specifics of how the conversation came to be :p

Ever been to Le Chateau? 4951 St-Catherine e./Viau - et a Paris
Nope, I've been to Montreal a couple of times, but I haven't visited this place.

Never been to Paris either.

Are you gay or bi btw Skaladora? How about you Vimeria?

Or does it "out of luvvvv!" :D
yeah

only a fool "endures" sex for a boyfriend.

if you dont like it, dont do it. its a good motto.

Are you gay or bi btw Skaladora? How about you Vimeria?
Completely, and irrecuperably gay.

I must be somewhere around 11-12 on Kinsey's scale.

Completely, and irrecuperably gay.

I must be somewhere around 11-12 on Kinsey's scale.
Haha :p Same here, although I am not into the whole "gay-acting" thing...however, I am rather effeminate.

Completely, and irrecuperably gay.

I must be somewhere around 11-12 on Kinsey's scale.

I just love sex. I think I'm a 3 on the scale.

Haha :p Same here, although I am not into the whole "gay-acting" thing...however, I am rather effeminate.
"Gay acting"? What's that mean? :confused:

I just love sex. I think I'm a 3 on the scale.
I don't judge you ;)

Are you gay or bi btw Skaladora? How about you Vimeria?

I'm bi. I'd say 1, maybe 2 on the Kinsey.

Acting flamboyantly, being a real drama queen, what most people now associate to the word "queer."

"Gay acting"? What's that mean? :confused:
I think he means acting like the stereotype they usually show on TV.

You would be surprised how many gay guys act it out though :rolleyes:

Acting flamboyantly, being a real drama queen, what most people now associate to the word "queer."
Oh, that? :rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm ruggedly handsome in a manly way. I don't mind poeple who tend to emphasize their gayness, but I find that to be a turn off, generally.

'Course, I suppose that's not so true, since I realized my ex was "really, really gay" only after we broke up. I suppose when you're in love you only see what you like in the other person.

I'm just looking for a sweet boy to cuddle with and tickle and smooch all day. Unfortunately, this seems to be asking for too much :(

Whilst I am somewhat effeminate, I am hardly flamboyant. I'm way too introverted, and find it ludicrous anyway.

Sigh, would be nice to have a cute guy to cuddle :(

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hmmm... Tell me, how is treating yourself like the only value you have is your ability to make (for the most part) a bunch of perverted single men... never mind, I don't really want to finish that sentence.

Pornography debases and demeans all who involve themselves with it. Some of the most depraved individuals in the world work in that 'industry' and/or consume it's products. You all (if you're being honest with yourself) know that to be true. It's corrosive to personal character, and to society in general.

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porn is pictures and movies about sex.

its not all that different than any acting. do you think it is demeaning to reese witherspoon that she is reduced to her ability to pretend to be someone else on the camera? is it demeaning to tyra banks to be shot in undies and wings?

is it demeaning for tom cruise to be an international sex symbol due to his movie roles?

its low level acting. most poor production values. it involves getting naked, having sex on camera (or posing as if one is having sex) and pretending to really enjoy it.

some of the best people in society are in this industry (although to be honest there are more people i wouldnt want to associate with than those i would want to associate with) and pretty much EVERYONE consumes it. are we ALL depraved or are you assuming things about those who consume porn that arent particularily justified?

and really, those bunches of "single men" who jerk off to porn arent perverts. they are average normal men.

You would be surprised how many gay guys act it out though :rolleyes:
I think it's a mean for them to be open about their sexuality. Some gays I know are at a loss for words when it comes to disclosing their orientation, and I believe they "act it up" in order to avoid having to say it.

I, on the other hand, feel no shame about being outspokenly gay, so I don't feel the need to "act gay". I'm just being myself. And being myself involves checking out cute guys with my female friends in the bus :D

You would be surprised how many gay guys act it out though :rolleyes:

Not in the Army they don't.

I think it's a mean for them to be open about their sexuality. Some gays I know are at a loss for words when it comes to disclosing their orientation, and I believe they "act it up" in order to avoid having to say it.

I, on the other hand, feel no shame about being outspokenly gay, so I don't feel the need to "act gay". I'm just being myself. And being myself involves checking out cute guys with my female friends in the bus :D
Sort of the same here. Most girls guess it anyway, either because I don't respond to their advances or because I can have a conversation with them :p

The Army is a state within a state ;)

Guys, since we're pretty much off topic, I created a thread where we can discuss all things gay and let this thread continue about porn and empowering women.

Sort of the same here. Most girls guess it anyway, either because I don't respond to their advances or because I can have a conversation with them :p

The Army is a state within a state ;)

When I was younger, women would always find me fun to hang out with, and most of the time, they would ask, "are you gay?"

Depending on what I felt like, I either told them I was gay, or took it as a sign that they wanted sex and I was usually right (i.e., I took advantage of the question).

Fass might be right - people have to fit you into a box in order to figure out how to respond to you. If you're bisexual, it makes it doubly difficult for some people.

are we ALL depraved Yes.
and really, those bunches of "single men" who jerk off to porn arent perverts. they are average normal men. Men are perverts.

When I was younger, women would always find me fun to hang out with, and most of the time, they would ask, "are you gay?"

Depending on what I felt like, I either told them I was gay, or took it as a sign that they wanted sex and I was usually right (i.e., I took advantage of the question).

Fass might be right - people have to fit you into a box in order to figure out how to respond to you. If you're bisexual, it makes it doubly difficult for some people.
Indeed Fass is right here, yet for a person to respond effectively to another, they should take into consideration their personality. Indeed, boxing is a form of generalisation, yet for most people this is an effective means of establishing primary communication.

Men are perverts.
if "pervert" is the status quo, can it really be called perverse?

Man, I wish this study had been published to coincide with the campus crusade for christ's campaign against pornography recently. They bombarded us with useless statistics (usually coming from american or international sources) and then claimed that Canada was a nation obsessed with porn.
If this study was released then, then I could have pointed out that since porn empowers women, that's a damn good thing then. :)

yeah

only a fool "endures" sex for a boyfriend.

if you dont like it, dont do it. its a good motto.
It is. :)

Whoa... I should tell my history teacher this. She's the biggest feminist I ever met. If you want to get an A in her class, all you have to do is bash the male sex...

Whoa... I should tell my history teacher this. She's the biggest feminist I ever met. If you want to get an A in her class, all you have to do is bash the male sex...
You know what would be funny? Ask her jokingly if she thinks men are pigs. If she laughingly agrees, get really serious and call her a pig fucker.

You know what would be funny? Ask her jokingly if she thinks men are pigs. If she laughingly agrees, get really serious and call her a pig fucker.

Excellent!:D

You know what would be funny? Ask her jokingly if she thinks men are pigs. If she laughingly agrees, get really serious and call her a pig fucker.

What if she's gay?

Whoa... I should tell my history teacher this. She's the biggest feminist I ever met. If you want to get an A in her class, all you have to do is bash the male sex...

I had a history teacher like that too.

"It's not even an opinion, it's a fact: Women have much more backbone and honesty than men."
-Direct quote

What if she's gay?
curses! foiled again.

I'll get you meddling kids if it's the last thing I do!

Bhahahahahahahahahahaha!

curses! foiled again.

I'll get you meddling kids if it's the last thing I do!

Ahem*points are talking dog munching on scooby snacks*

What if she's gay?

Haha. No, no, I'm sorry to spoil your fun but she's married...

But wait. I don't actually know WHO she's married to...

And she does always go on about how she kept her maiden name...
:eek:

Whoa... I should tell my history teacher this. She's the biggest feminist I ever met. If you want to get an A in her class, all you have to do is bash the male sex...

Again, 'feminist' isn't synonymous with 'man-hater' - I've met many women who hate men and don't have the slightest clue about feminism. Women who hate men aren't feminist; they're sexist.

You know what would be funny? Ask her jokingly if she thinks men are pigs. If she laughingly agrees, get really serious and call her a pig fucker.
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

Again, 'feminist' isn't synonymous with 'man-hater' - I've met many women who hate men and don't have the slightest clue about feminism. Women who hate men aren't feminist; they're sexist.
ZING!

:D

Again, 'feminist' isn't synonymous with 'man-hater' - I've met many women who hate men and don't have the slightest clue about feminism. Women who hate men aren't feminist; they're sexist.
Good point.

Just remember, I always top.

Fine by me. :)

Just as a side issue, that's a hideous generalisation, I know many feminists who are in happy relationships with men (myself included), and many feminists who are married. Feminism isn't about hating men, it's about having good equal interactions with them. I don't know very many ugly feminists either. Hairy ones yes, but that doesn't equal ugly.

Yes, it was a generalisation on my part, and my aunti is the best example of a feminist, but unlike a large number, she works her ass off, and let me tell her, conntra to the myth, she earns more than MOST men out there.

That is another thing that pisses me off; feminists who bitch about pay difference; hello? why should a women get special time off to have a baby and still get paid the same amount as a male doing the same job? its akin to giving the women an extra 12 weeks holiday!

Yes, there are women who are underpaid, but I can assure you, the place I work, I earn the same amount as a female, all my bosses are females - so 'sorry', there isn't a grand conspiracy scheme - if women aren't being paid the same amount, its because they CHOOSE not to work the unsocialable hours that men do, they're unwilling to be 'one of the boys' and network.

My aunti is successful because she worked her way up, she was 'one of the boys', she socialised, networked and worked the unsocial hours - now she is one of the top share brokers, and is constantly head hunted by companies.

What a silly study.
Of course women (or men) who appear in pornography are sex objects. People view pornography to see sex and nudity. The "plot" is simply to accentuate said sex and nudity. The "plot" in no way lessens their being sex objects.

I don't care if a porn plot depicts a naked woman getting ahead in the world, rising through the ranks of corporate America, and besting men in arm wrestling matches. People still watch for the sexuality. That's kind of the definition of porn- to watch people for their bodies and what they can do with them sexually.

As far as whether it empowers women, pornography does allow women to use their bodies to make men pay money. But I'm not sure that using one's sexuality to get ahead or gain power over another is something to be encouraged. Who knows how many very smart women have never contributed to society because it's so easy to make money in porn?

Again, 'feminist' isn't synonymous with 'man-hater' - I've met many women who hate men and don't have the slightest clue about feminism. Women who hate men aren't feminist; they're sexist.

No. All feminists immediately foam at the mouth and attack in the presence of men. It is a well-documented fact.

And, as documented in this thread and others, feminists control academia and you have to cut off your genitalia to get a degree.

I highly doubt that a study that somehow determines porn has realistic plots is all that valid :p


I mean...I've seen some porn in my day. Some of it was sexy. Some of it was egalitarian, and some of it was objectifying. But NONE of it was realistic.