Forgetting the Past
Reaganodia
30-11-2005, 14:14
"Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses."
North Vietnamese army Colonel Bui Tin
Aug. 3, 1995
Wall Street Journal
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it
The Eliki
30-11-2005, 14:18
So anyone who opposes war is really just helping the enemy?
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat itSo, are you saying that
A country shouldn't start a war that isn't supported by it's populace? Or that the populace should suport a war it's country starts because else they'll loose?
Or anything else you can read into the past?
Legless Pirates
30-11-2005, 14:21
I think he's trying to say that as a man you can't sleep with lesbians no matter how hard you try
Reaganodia
30-11-2005, 14:22
So anyone who opposes war is really just helping the enemy?
There is a fine line between Opposition and Sedition
The Nazz
30-11-2005, 14:32
I think he's trying to say that as a man you can't sleep with lesbians no matter how hard you try
You can sleep with them, but only if you're gay and they have strap-ons.
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it
Are you suggesting that it is a bad idea for the US to become embroiled in foreign armed conflicts launched on pretexts which are nebulous at best?
Legless Pirates
30-11-2005, 14:40
You can sleep with them, but only if you're gay and they have strap-ons.
Because lesbians love strap-ons? :confused:
The Nazz
30-11-2005, 14:42
Because lesbians love strap-ons? :confused:
My ex-wife does. :eek:
Puddytat
30-11-2005, 15:06
I think he's trying to say that as a man you can't sleep with lesbians no matter how hard you try
You can sleep with them, but that is all you will be doing.
Europa Maxima
30-11-2005, 15:14
How is any of this relevant?
Indeed, forgive but never forget. Forgetting is the undoing of history, thus condemning humanity to repeating the same mistakes as it has been said.
I'm not sure if I am getting what this thread is about. Is the arguement that people should agree on any wars the government decides to launch? That keeping morale at home up is essential? The quote does not make it quite clear.
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 15:45
So anyone who opposes war is really just helping the enemy?
Yes. People who oppose war may not agree or support the enemy's goals, but they are quite helpful in a very obvious sense.
Gift-of-god
30-11-2005, 15:48
mmmmmmmmmmmm...strap ons...
sorry, were we discussing something?
Yukonuthead the Fourth
30-11-2005, 15:50
The only good war is one where both sides have nukes. Then the people have no choice BUT to join in.
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 15:58
mmmmmmmmmmmm...strap ons...
sorry, were we discussing something?
only theoretically...
Kroisistan
30-11-2005, 16:42
"Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses."
North Vietnamese army Colonel Bui Tin
Aug. 3, 1995
Wall Street Journal
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it
Reasonable arguement. Now here are it's foils -
First, it ignores whether a war is Just and Right. If a war were truly, universally just and called for, there would be no significant anti-war movement. Defensive wars and the like enjoy massive public support. If an anti-war movement exists, it means a segment of the population feels the war IS unjust or a bad idea. If we silenced all who felt a war was unjust or a bad idea, then where would we be? What if the war actually was unjust? What if it was really a bad plan? Without allowing for a peace movement, we remove that all important angel on our shoulders who may have a very significant(even right) opinion on the conflict that we NEED to hear.
But from a different perspective - You don't want us to 'lose.' I'm assuming you mean a military defeat. But why, I must ask, is a military defeat a bad thing? Well the answer to that is if we cannot defend our nation, we will lose our values, our way of life. So in reality, it's not winning or losing a military conflict that is significant, but the protection of American freedoms and values. That is what we truly don't want to lose. Winning wars is simply a means to that end. But in banning peace movements, you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Why? Because the right to free speech, peaceable assembly and differing opinions are sacrosanct American values. To destroy those in the name of winning a military struggle who's true significance is the protection of American values is paradoxical.
I understand where you're coming from, but in the end the peace movement is a neccesary thing.