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Well I have always thought so.. I mean my people do control all the money in the world(im jewish through heritage not religion).. So what do you think?

Jews aren't born, silly! They are produced in secret clone labs scattered across Algeria.

It seems possible...Just like blacks are born with a higher muscle to fat ration than whites.

Jews aren't born, silly! They are produced in secret clone labs scattered across Algeria.

Shhh....thats need-to-know information only, and, well, he doesnt need to know.

Yes and w...they plan to use it to kill you all MU HAW HAW! TORAH TORAH TORAH!

It seems possible...Just like blacks are born with a higher muscle to fat ration than whites.
And the Chinese are born inside a caterpillar which they eat from the inside out during the early months of their existence! Or maybe I'm thinking of Digger Wasps again.

J-J-J JEW UNIT!!!

I saw it online. I've been dying to use it!

And the Chinese are born inside a caterpillar which they eat from the inside out during the early months of their existence! Or maybe I'm thinking of Digger Wasps again.

Eh, you say tomatoe, I say tomatoe.

Well I have always thought so.. I mean my people do control all the money in the world(im jewish through heritage not religion).. So what do you think?

No. There are smart jews, and dumb jews. Just like everybody else. Being of one particular racial trend or religious following doesn't make one any smarter. All the job based discrimination did was just make sure that only the smart crop got to the top of said jobs. It didn't increase the number of smart people, just squeezed the existing demographics harder.

Besides, I'm not sure, but I don't think Swiss bankers are jews.

Well, it would explain my lack of talent at anything. I hope it isn't true, but if it is, I plan on taking advantage of my racial inferiority to the fullest extent possible. If reality screws me over, I will not sit back and let myself pay any more than I have to.

J-J-J JEW UNIT!!!

I saw it online. I've been dying to use it!



Lmao...I love that... :D

................? This is one of the more unique threads I have ever saw......

Didn't they visit this issue in an episode of Family Guy already?

Also think about this.. The messiah is/already has come from the jewish race(depending on your view of who the messiah is/was/will be)...so doesn't that count for something?

We're not smart...your just dumb. ;)

Didn't they visit this issue in an episode of Family Guy already?

Lol, yes, and I guess if they proved it... it must be true! =D I mean I'm Jewish.. I seem to be smart :p

Please...:rolleyes:

How much higher is the muscle to fat ratio in blacks anyway? I think they have a different one because we live in colder climates and thus need more energy to be stored to preserve warmth. Caucasians tend to be taller and bigger boned generally.

Where did you get the J-J-J Jew Unit!!! from?

Please...:rolleyes:

How much higher is the muscle to fat ratio in blacks anyway? I think they have a different one because we live in colder climates and thus need more energy to be stored to preserve warmth. Caucasians tend to be taller and bigger boned.

I beleive the muscle to fat ratio is much higher in blacks than it is in whites...and hieght simply depends.

There are some sub races of Africans that are 7 feet tall, while there are others that are very very short.

Same with Whites...Northern Europeans tend to be tall, while Southern Europeans tend to be short. Speaking in general of course...this isnt a law.

We're not smart...your just dumb. ;)

That's a very excellent way to look at it =D

yea, like wouldn't that be saying "ohh yea christians are way smarter" or something like that? and for saying that black people have more muscle mass or something that is because it is their ethnic group. i didn't know jewish was like an ethnic group. i thought it was just a religious thing.
there are smart jews and there are dumb jews...just like there are some smart christians and alot of dumb christians..and so on and sooo on. im not anything and i dont discriminate. but if jews were so smart then why havent they figured out how not to get killed and oppressed greatly over the years. you could say that because they are smart they are opressed..? but you'd think they'd be the ones in charge right.

True that Nordic (and most germanic) Europeans are taller. Even so, I think the tallest Africans are around the same height as the Nordics, if not less. Not sure. They may reach 7ft, but its an unlikely figure.

As for the muscle-to-fat ratio, not sure about this. Many africans are indeed extremely wiry and lean, yet I think that's because they don't need the fat.

Same with Whites...Northern Europeans tend to be tall, while Southern Europeans tend to be short. Speaking in general of course...this isnt a law.
It should be. From now on, all Europeans will be placed on a longitudinal line corresponding to their relative height, deviating more then ten miles from this line is illegal, except with the aid of stilts, when travelling north, and those shoe things you can wear on your knees, when travelling south.
That is one law that we can all get behind.

of course not how could they be genes don't make any distinction on a persons religion i mean its not like if you convert to judaism you'll instantly know how to do calculus there could be a cultural thing where jewish parents tend to push their children harder and set higher standereds than others

yea, like wouldn't that be saying "ohh yea christians are way smarter" or something like that? and for saying that black people have more muscle mass or something that is because it is their ethnic group. i didn't know jewish was like an ethnic group. i thought it was just a religious thing.
there are smart jews and there are dumb jews...just like there are some smart christians and alot of dumb christians..and so on and sooo on. im not anything and i dont discriminate. but if jews were so smart then why havent they figured out how not to get killed and oppressed greatly over the years. you could say that because they are smart they are opressed..? but you'd think they'd be the ones in charge right.
I think he meant hebrews, in which case I still disagree with the assertion that they are more intelligent.

yea, like wouldn't that be saying "ohh yea christians are way smarter" or something like that? and for saying that black people have more muscle mass or something that is because it is their ethnic group. i didn't know jewish was like an ethnic group. i thought it was just a religious thing.
there are smart jews and there are dumb jews...just like there are some smart christians and alot of dumb christians..and so on and sooo on. im not anything and i dont discriminate. but if jews were so smart then why havent they figured out how not to get killed and oppressed greatly over the years. you could say that because they are smart they are opressed..? but you'd think they'd be the ones in charge right.

Jews geneticly have some similarities, but are no a "race". For instance, I am a Jew I am 6'3, I have long straight blonde hair, and green eyes, and light skin but then my friend (a jew) is like 5"2, dark curly black hair, brown eyes, and darker skin....So we are not a real race...simply a group that somtimes shares some genetic similarities. You can be Jewish by religion, or you can have Jewish heritage...its not like christianity....its a little different...its kinda hard to explain...you need to either understand it or not...im sorry i cant really explain it.

of course not how could they be genes don't make any distinction on a persons religion i mean its not like if you convert to judaism you'll instantly know how to do calculus there could be a cultural thing where jewish parents tend to push their children harder and set higher standereds than others


Only one way to find out...we need some NS people to convert truthfully, and then tell us if they feel any different.

True that Nordic (and most germanic) Europeans are taller. Even so, I think the tallest Africans are around the same height as the Nordics, if not less. Not sure. They may reach 7ft, but its an unlikely figure.

As for the muscle-to-fat ratio, not sure about this. Many africans are indeed extremely wiry and lean, yet I think that's because they don't need the fat.

Nooooo...many African tribes are 7+...I think like the Zulus and stuff....not sure...dont know too much about Africa. While Nordics are the tallest for Whites...I think Afrians have us beat.

No. I am South African, and we have Zulu tribes there. Many of them come close to 6ft on average, but 7ft is an extreme rarity. They are around as tall as the nordics on average. Whilst some African tribes may be tall, they are not exactly giants.

You know...that kind of thing was a subject in school in Germany during the Nazi-Era...pseudo-science "proving" that one race is better than another one...

It's revolting.

As for the OP...no, I don't think there is reasonable evidence to assume a certain type of Jew is smarter than anyone else.
All I can say is that I get by quite well - as do most non-jewish people.

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Well I have always thought so.. I mean my people do control all the money in the world(im jewish through heritage not religion).. So what do you think?
Has anyone noticed how incredibly racist the entire concept is? Have you totally forgotten what happened in WW2???

P.S. I haven't looked at anyone else's post yet, I was just so shocked that I had to reply straight away.

Nooooo...many African tribes are 7+...I think like the Zulus and stuff....not sure...dont know too much about Africa. While Nordics are the tallest for Whites...I think Afrians have us beat.
BTW, the Dutch are now officially the tallest of the whites :confused: I realised back in South Africa how tall many of my compatriots are (those of us of Dutch descent), and I always knew the Dutch were tall...only now do I realise that they are the tallest whites. I always thought that to be the Swedes. I am going to try find an authoritative book on race, gender and genomics. Internet searches carry little validity. It would be nice to see what holds true and what does not based on scientific research.

BTW, as for the relation of intelligence to race, this notion is difficult to establish, as intelligence is an esoteric construct, and far more difficult to determine. Many factors come into it. Thus, due to certain circumstances one group of people may be more intelligent, yet if these circumstances change, so will this status. Intelligence at best is a highly abstract concept.

Has anyone noticed how incredibly racist the entire concept is? Have you totally forgotten what happened in WW2???

P.S. I haven't looked at anyone else's post yet, I was just so shocked that I had to reply straight away.
If its factual its hardly racist. It may be paramount in understanding how the human race adapts to circumstances.

If its factual its hardly racist. It may be paramount in understanding how the human race adapts to circumstances.
But isn't racism, by definition, ignoring facts and making assumptions based on race? If the main argument is correct, then all scotsmen make great politicians and football managers just because they're Scottish.

If it is based on ignorance of facts and mere supposition then yes. If it is based on concrete, scientific research, that is another matter altogether.

...must resist urge to post thread with poll asking if jews are born more ignorant...

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Well I have always thought so.. I mean my people do control all the money in the world(im jewish through heritage not religion).. So what do you think?

It is the result of natural selection across a few thousand years.

Just figure - there are only about 14 million Jews worldwide (by heritage).

That small number of people produces far more patents, inventions, scientific discoveries, argues more legal cases, heals more patients, and makes more money per capita than just about any other group you can put together on an ethnic, religious, or racial basis.

It's because only the smart ones who could learn quickly, and adapt, and succeed in time to reproduce, and support a family long enough to have their offspring make it, survived. Everyone else was killed.

When people are always trying to kill you, if you're indolent, you die. If you're smart and adaptable, you survive.

If it is based on ignorance of facts and mere supposition then yes. If it is based on concrete, scientific research, that is another matter altogether.

Which was going on in the third reich, d'you reckon?

It is the result of natural selection across a few thousand years.

Just figure - there are only about 14 million Jews worldwide (by heritage).

That small number of people produces far more patents, inventions, scientific discoveries, argues more legal cases, heals more patients, and makes more money per capita than just about any other group you can put together on an ethnic, religious, or racial basis.

It's because only the smart ones who could learn quickly, and adapt, and succeed in time to reproduce, and support a family long enough to have their offspring make it, survived. Everyone else was killed.

When people are always trying to kill you, if you're indolent, you die. If you're smart and adaptable, you survive.
NEVER FORGET THE NATURE/NURTURE ARGUMENT. Although this may be true, it might just be that mainly intellectuals survived the Holocaust, and this had an effect on the overall intelligence of their children. Doctors bring up Doctors and rich people bring up rich people.

What about this guy?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29672

Research within the 3rd Reich was either manipulated to confuse adaptation for superiority, or was pure ignorance. Even the use of the word Aryan to describe the germanic race was mistaken. In conclusion, the 3rd Reich acted in ignorance of any real facts pertaining to race and genomics, a mix of half truths and racist theories.

NEVER FORGET THE NATURE/NURTURE ARGUMENT. Although this may be true, it might just be that mainly intellectuals survived the Holocaust, and this had an effect on the overall intelligence of their children.
Occupations that don't involve property ownership are better survival traits - you can run to another country and continue working.

A farmer or shop owner has a more difficult time running away.

What about this guy?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29672
Lol! :p

Occupations that don't involve property ownership are better survival traits - you can run to another country and continue working.

A farmer or shop owner has a more difficult time running away.
Exactly. I made a slight alteration to the end of my last post by the way just to clarify, but you seem to have got the idea.

It is the result of natural selection across a few thousand years.

Just figure - there are only about 14 million Jews worldwide (by heritage).

That small number of people produces far more patents, inventions, scientific discoveries, argues more legal cases, heals more patients, and makes more money per capita than just about any other group you can put together on an ethnic, religious, or racial basis.

It's because only the smart ones who could learn quickly, and adapt, and succeed in time to reproduce, and support a family long enough to have their offspring make it, survived. Everyone else was killed.

When people are always trying to kill you, if you're indolent, you die. If you're smart and adaptable, you survive.

Perhaps you can provide a link to a scholarly article?

Where did you get the J-J-J Jew Unit!!! from?

One dude's name on CS, a while ago.

Perhaps you can provide a link to a scholarly article?
It would be most helpful if he could. I have searched on the net for research related to race and genomics, and at best, its limited and often flawed.

Perhaps you can provide a link to a scholarly article?

Well, let's count the number of Jews who won Nobel Prizes. Once again, consider that there are only 14 million Jews (some say as little as 12 million) alive today. Consider also that there are 65 million Chinese with the family name of Li. So it's a small number of people.

Jews have won 166 Nobel Prizes.

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From a pool of 12 million Jews
0.2% of the World's Population
(2 out of every 1,000 people)

Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer
2002 - Imre Kertesz
2005 - Harold Pinter

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1972 - C.B. Anfinsen
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Ronald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
2004 - Irwin Rose
2004 - Avram Hershko
2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1973 - Wassily Leontief
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 Rober Fogel
1994 - John Harsanyi
1994 - Reinhard Selten
1997 - Robert Merton
1997 - Myron Scholes
2001 - George Akerlof
2001 - Joseph Stiglitz
2002 - Daniel Kahneman
2005 - Robert J. Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - David Baltimore
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1977 - Andrew V. Schally
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1994 - Martin Rodbell
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner
1998 - Robert F. Furchgott
2000 - Eric R. Kandel
2002 - Sydney Brenner
2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1945 - Wolfgang Pauli
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich
1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1963 - Eugene P. Wigner
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - Leon N. Cooper
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Georges Charpak
1995 - Martin Perl
1995 - Frederick Reines
1996 - David M. Lee
1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff
1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
2000 - Zhores I. Alferov
2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg
2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

This is assuming that they are purely of jewish blood. This may well not be the case. To really understand if this is the case or not, there has to be scientific research on the jews to see whether or not they are more intelligent. A list of Nobel prize winners is not enough.

This is assuming that they are purely of jewish blood. This may well not be the case. To really understand if this is the case or not, there has to be scientific research on the jews to see whether or not they are more intelligent. A list of Nobel prize winners is not enough.
Hitler was of Jewish blood (a bit) aparrently, but he does'nt seem to be on ze list!

A list of Nobel prize winners could also demonstrate the superiority of Western Europeans.

Intelligence certainly does have a genetic component, but the genetic difference between one group of people and another isn't too great, so I wouldn't assume that the difference in intelligence between one group and another would be too great.

Hitler was of Jewish blood (a bit) aparrently, but he does'nt seem to be on ze list!

Nein, he voz not!

Zat Schicklgruber kerl, on ze other hand...

Hitler was of Jewish blood (a bit) aparrently, but he does'nt seem to be on ze list!
This is unproven, and highly unlikely. Many historians dispute the idea.

Shieckelgruber was his original surname, was it not? The man who developed the Final Solution, ironically, was a jew.

I think a list of Nobel Prize winners is highly insufficient in showing the intelligence of an entire race.

This is unproven, and highly unlikely. Many historians dispute the idea.

Shieckelgruber was his original surname, was it not? The man who developed the Final Solution, ironically, was a jew.

I think a list of Nobel Prize winners is highly insufficient in showing the intelligence of an entire race.
They seem to achieve a lot: http://hometown.aol.com/gjadoc/index.html

This is unproven, and highly unlikely. Many historians dispute the idea.

Shieckelgruber was his original surname, was it not? The man who developed the Final Solution, ironically, was a jew.

I think a list of Nobel Prize winners is highly insufficient in showing the intelligence of an entire race.
Quite true. If a study of race links to intelligence and success is to be made, it should be made on all races simultaneously. But again I revert to my initial statement that this is all incredibly racist.

Quite true. If a study of race links to intelligence and success is to be made, it should be made on all races simultaneously. But again I revert to my initial statement that this is all incredibly racist.
Agreed, but someone did bring it up.

No. I've had the misfortune of seeing many a stupid Jew in action - even here, on this forum.

Again, that is not concrete scientific research Deep Kimchi. Its not done in comparative terms.

Yukonhead, it may be seen as racist, yet its fundamental in understanding how environments and circumstances affect evolution.

Again, that is not concrete scientific research Deep Kimchi. Its not done in comparative terms.

Yukonhead, it may be seen as racist, yet its fundamental in understanding how environments and circumstances affect evolution.

The problem is this: I would bet that list of Nobel prize winners are indeed Jews.

There isn't any other group that, on a per capita basis, have won that many Nobels.

Or written as many books.

Or had as many businesses that went on to become multinational corporations.

the list goes on.

This could well be the result of increased opportunities being available to Jews. Without research such conclusions are disqualified of any validity.

This could well be the result of increased opportunities being available to Jews. Without research such conclusions are disqualified of any validity.
Hard to argue increased opportunities - the discrimination in the US alone up until the mid-1960s is well-documented. And the pogroms and massacres in Europe are well documented.

Still, it merits greater research rather than mere assertions based on supposition.

Again, that is not concrete scientific research Deep Kimchi. Its not done in comparative terms.

Yukonhead, it may be seen as racist, yet its fundamental in understanding how environments and circumstances affect evolution.
Ah yes, your earlier point. I understand its full groovyness now. Hey, this conversation wouldn't be out of place around some shady video conference with the faces blacked out, anime style; debating the very course of human evolution.

Very SEELE (Evangelion).

For the most part, yes, they are.

Given their numbers, those of Jewish heritage have had above average success, with a disproportionate number of prominent or wealthy people having Jewish blood, and I don't believe that culture alone explains it. Perhaps from millenia of persecution those people have had to be smarter than average to survive.

I think people are so enamored with the PC concept of "everyone is equal" that we ignore the idea that as separate races there is some trending within those groups especially with thousands of years of isolation between them. Why is it so absurd to say that while physical differences can certainly be noted in some races, that maybe some innate qualities, like intelligence, may, even if slightly, vary between them?

Maybe it is that Jews are just a tad smarter, just slightly, than most of the world's people. And that little bit helps most of them. Are there dumb Jews? Yes. But I'd say, as a group, they trend more intelligently than most other groups in comparison.

With that in mind, its hardly racist, but would help explain why the human race is the way that it is in its many forms.

If experience is the template that we are going to use to gauge whether Jews are born smarter. Then I would have to say that no they are not, but they are born with the rare gene I call the illogical gene. I know as my right wing(JEWISH) roomate has proven himself not only to be rightous dumbass, but one who can connect seemingly unconnected historical instances to prove that all arbs should be jailed/killed and that all libereals with their talk about peace are killing american soldiers in IRaq. Yes the illogical gene is strong in him, but was he born smart, I would have to say no f--king way.

If someone is really interested, go to google Scholar (http://scholar.google.com/), type intelligence jews... you will find scholarly stuff on the subject.

To me, this sounds awfully similar to what was going on in germany back in those days.

Jewish Superiority...:rolleyes: ....indeed, those who don't learn fom history are condemned to repeat it....ironic it should be like this though.

For the most part, yes, they are.

Given their numbers, those of Jewish heritage have had above average success, with a disproportionate number of prominent or wealthy people having Jewish blood, and I don't believe that culture alone explains it. Perhaps from millenia of persecution those people have had to be smarter than average to survive.

I think people are so enamored with the PC concept of "everyone is equal" that we ignore the idea that as separate races there is some trending within those groups especially with thousands of years of isolation between them. Why is it so absurd to say that while physical differences can certainly be noted in some races, that maybe some innate qualities, like intelligence, may, even if slightly, vary between them?

Maybe it is that Jews are just a tad smarter, just slightly, than most of the world's people. And that little bit helps most of them. Are there dumb Jews? Yes. But I'd say, as a group, they trend more intelligently than most other groups in comparison.
Maybe because most of the "average" and "below average" jews were caught up in the Holocaust as mentioned earlier. This is seriously nasty stuff. I'm beginning to regret dreging this topic up...

Maybe because most of the "average" and "below average" jews were caught up in the Holocaust as mentioned earlier. This is seriously nasty stuff. I'm beginning to regret dreging this topic up...

It'd be easy to link the Holocaust and European pograms, and maybe that aided in some bizarre modern form of natural selection, but even prior to that Jews were quickly ascending the ranks of society. An example can be seen in the USA during the great waves of immigration during the early 20th century. Even then, facing great discrimination, many of those people opened businesses which thrive to this day. Their children went to school and became among the most prominent researchers and academics, despite laws restricting their attendance.

Many may disagree, but on the whole, Jews do pretty well for themselves in a wide variety of fields where intelligence seems to play a part, like academics, economics, and the arts.

When I see valid scientific research on this matter, then I might sway my opinion to believe such a notion. Until then, I am not convinced.

Well, if I'm of an inferior race, I guess that's just how things work out. Now that I know this, I can plan my life accordingly and not bother with things I know I'm not cut out for. It's depressing, yes, but there is no way around it. I must bear the stigma of racial inferiority and accept my lot.

Has anyone noticed how incredibly racist the entire concept is? Have you totally forgotten what happened in WW2???

P.S. I haven't looked at anyone else's post yet, I was just so shocked that I had to reply straight away.Yeah, how dare anyone ask scientific questions about possible differences between different groups of humans.

Adam Corolla, former co-host or late night radio show Loveline, liked to ask callers if they were jewish. Not all callers, just the ones who were pregnant with their brother-in-laws kid or something - pretty much anytime somebody had a personal story that would fit right in on Jerry Springer. Of course, they were never ever jewish. Which leads to a question - what is it that keeps young jewish people from screwing up their lives? Could genetics possibly be a factor? If so, I think similar differences could be found among other semitic peoples.

Ditto on the Nature vs. Nurture bit.

It's not so much "Jew Genes" as it is "Jewish Parents" (and Grand Parents, and Aunts, and Uncles, etc, etc...)

The "Jewish" paradigm of familial Guilt and dedication to self (and world) improvement is both causal to and indicitave of a culture of goal-driven success not usually found in non-oriental cultures.

This appears in the internal humor ("If you can't BE a Doctor, at least MARRY one!") - one of the best indicators of how a culture percieves itself.

Judiasim as a Religion also is highly dedicated to education - with practicing Jewish children attending Schule as well as School, learning Hebrew (and often Yiddish) in addition to the local language, and deeply reflecting on the logical (PilPul) nature of Talmudic commentary.

So, are Jews (on the ballance) smarter? No, they just work harder.

I may see that as a valid argument, rather than saying that Jews are innately smarter than other races. For the latter, as I said, I would require scientific proof in authoritative journals.

Of course we're smarter, better looking, more talented, and have mighty penises and perfect women.

At least that's what the Rabbis teach us as we count our Jew gold and plot world domination in our basements.

Of course we're smarter, better looking, more talented, and have mighty penises and perfect women.
So your women have might penises?
Interesting, I'd always wondered where the gene for that came from in the first place.
At least that's what the Rabbis teach us as we count our Jew gold and plot world domination in our basements.
But don't those bags resting around your necks cause terrible strain? I'd think that it would cause some sort of neck problem eventually.

But don't those bags resting around your necks cause terrible strain? I'd think that it would cause some sort of neck problem eventually.

It causes the standard Jew hunch in our older years, but our horns make up for it.

What about your hooked tails? :p

This thread is naught but a mastabation fest for some wankstain with no life.

I can produce an article that says jews are good for nothing but for stuffing into gas ovens... doesn't mean it's true.

In summing up... whoever started this thread should get his hand off his circumcised knob becuase the rabii obviously threw away the smartest piece of his body.

Of course we're smarter, better looking, more talented, and have mighty penises and perfect women.

At least that's what the Rabbis teach us as we count our Jew gold and plot world domination in our basements.
Didn't they kick you out of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy when you converted?

Jews are not smart nor dumb, just blessed by G-d...

yea, like wouldn't that be saying "ohh yea christians are way smarter" or something like that? and for saying that black people have more muscle mass or something that is because it is their ethnic group. i didn't know jewish was like an ethnic group. i thought it was just a religious thing.
there are smart jews and there are dumb jews...just like there are some smart christians and alot of dumb christians..and so on and sooo on. im not anything and i dont discriminate. but if jews were so smart then why havent they figured out how not to get killed and oppressed greatly over the years. you could say that because they are smart they are opressed..? but you'd think they'd be the ones in charge right.


Ok I think every one knows what i mean by jews.. the hebrew race.. we call them jews because of judah...southern kingdom of israel in the old days. After Israel in the north fell to the babylonians, Judah was left and then it too eventually fell...afterwards hebrews become known as Jews. Or at least this is what i have heard time and time again and have read in books.

not going to get into the whole 'race' thing.

But.
genetic traights do get passed on, so why not intelligence? or height, etc...
Would it not depend on what breeds through? If Hebrews (as an example) have always valued intelligence, would that not make it an important trait to look for in a mate? I guess they'd be more successful with the opposite sex and breed more. Also being quite an inclosed group (historically) would that not limit the amount of genetic material available? so if the smart ones breed even slightly more, generation after generation, would that not increase the average IQ?
only a thought...

Also education is considered very important within jewish communities, maybe the average IQ is not higher, just the level of education?

All these are valid arguments. I would recommend buying a book on biodiversity and/or race and genomics. They deal with such issues in a scientific manner, and are a better source of knowledge than the Internet in this case. Research of this manner is exhaustive by its very nature, thus its difficult to obtain it on the Net. Its more likely to be found published in books.

It seems possible...Just like blacks are born with a higher muscle to fat ration than whites.

Well if there were any truth to that, then you'd have to actually accept that Asian's are the smartest people on the face of the earth, lets face it, there have been studies done. Me? I'm just white folk..lol

Heh, we are taller and bulkier I think...yay for us, I guess :p

This thread is naught but a mastabation fest for some wankstain with no life.

I can produce an article that says jews are good for nothing but for stuffing into gas ovens... doesn't mean it's true.

In summing up... whoever started this thread should get his hand off his circumcised knob becuase the rabii obviously threw away the smartest piece of his body.


Wow..What a dick. I can sense someone wound up finding out that his wife was cheating on him with a Jew with a big schlong...yes its true..all jews have big schlongs...Thats really why the rest of the world hates em. Thats why Hitler tried to kill em all, to make it seem as if his penis was biggest..and thats why in the end times the chinese will invade with the 200,000,000 man army...we all no that they have very tiny weiners..G-d truly did bless the Jews:D

No. I am South African, and we have Zulu tribes there. Many of them come close to 6ft on average, but 7ft is an extreme rarity. They are around as tall as the nordics on average. Whilst some African tribes may be tall, they are not exactly giants.

Thats not true. there are different Africans...Some, like the Tutsi and Matsai, can be on average 7 ft tall, while some, like the pygmies, are on average just hitting the 5 foot mark.

I'll have to look into it. I no longer live in South Africa, yet I'll see what articles there are at hand. Perhaps you have a source relevant to their height?

This is unproven, and highly unlikely. Many historians dispute the idea.

Shieckelgruber was his original surname, was it not? The man who developed the Final Solution, ironically, was a jew.

I think a list of Nobel Prize winners is highly insufficient in showing the intelligence of an entire race.

I have never EVER heard anything about Hitler being a Jew....and I would love to see the sources people get their information from.......Also...Jews are not a race...

There are those who argue that he had Jewish origins, yet I doubt this very much.

If jews are so smart why do they keep change in their hats?
Whats the logic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans#Demographics

scroll down to demographs and you will find the africans i talked about..you can click on the links and read about them.

The Tutsi can be spectacularly tall, often 7 ft (2.1 m) in height. This compares with the Twa, traditionally portrayed as short, and the Hutu of medium height. Such differences may be attributed to nutritional factors. Physical differences are almost as stratified within the Tutsi group as between the Tutsis and the Hutus; although some Tutsi are much taller and have sharper noses than most Hutus, most of the former are indistinguishable from the average Hutu.
Interesting, yet many serbs and germanic folk are also often spectacularly tall. It makes no reference to an average, just mentions that they can reach 7ft.

Alright....I need to adress the people talking about the "hebrews". There are two Jewish races...that are completely different, racially, geographically, and even culturally (there are changes in the traditions in the relgion between them). First there are the Ashkenazi Jews who are the Western, Northern, Central, and eastern, European Jews...Oh, and Russian Jews..Now while there are small differences between them...they are catagorized together as Ashekenazi, which, in Hebrew literally means, Germany. Then there are the
Sephardic (Sephardic in hebrew literally means coming from Spain, or the Iberian) Jews...those who are middle eastern, North Africa, or Spain, or southern France..and I think Italian (not positive on Italian though). While all Jews would like to claim they are directly related to the the Hebrews, when, in reality, it is most likely the Sephardic who are related to the Hebrews... As for the Jews being smart...It isnt all Jews, its Ashkenazi Jews, this whole thing about Jews being smarter does not include sephardic Jews. As for Ashkenazi Jews, most people beleive that, like the reason the Asians are smarter, is not geneticly, but culturally. Jewish parents and families (along with Asians) put a greater emphasis on education, success, finance, acomplishment, than the average non Jewish white family. To answer the people who refer to Jews as a race. Jews are not a race. Jews are white....There are blonde Jews, black haired Jews, Red Haired Jews, Brown haired Jews, Jews of all eye colors, and Jews of all races. However, Ashkenazi Jews (racially white europeans...of whatever group (germanic)(Slavic)) have some additional genes that only Jews have...probably from marrying within their own community. these genes make Jews more likely to catch some illness, though I'm not sure which one. To classify Jews as a race, would be totally false, because you could actually be a Nordic Jew, or a saharan african Jew, and both would be equally Jewish.

Has anyone of you arguing people actually read the article beyond the headline? Did anyone read far enough to get to the conclusion part?

My own view as an educator is that everyone has the same intellectual potential, regardless of lineage. Psychologists maintain that the average person uses only 5-7% of that potential. Differing levels of achievement among people are accounted for by the amount of their potential they have managed to exploit.

If there is any common factor accounting for the achievement of some exceptional Ashkenazi Jews it may be their cultural legacy that has enabled them to make more of themselves. Their achievements are not predestined by an accident of birth.

Alright....I need to adress the people talking about the "hebrews". There are two Jewish races...that are completely different, racially, geographically, and even culturally (there are changes in the traditions in the relgion between them). First there are the Ashkenazi Jews who are the Western, Northern, Central, and eastern, European Jews...Oh, and Russian Jews..Now while there are small differences between them...they are catagorized together as Ashekenazi, which, in Hebrew literally means, Germany. Then there are the
Sephardic (Sephardic in hebrew literally means coming from Spain, or the Iberian) Jews...those who are middle eastern, North Africa, or Spain, or southern France..and I think Italian (not positive on Italian though). While all Jews would like to claim they are directly related to the the Hebrews, when, in reality, it is most likely the Sephardic who are related to the Hebrews... As for the Jews being smart...It isnt all Jews, its Ashkenazi Jews, this whole thing about Jews being smarter does not include sephardic Jews. As for Ashkenazi Jews, most people beleive that, like the reason the Asians are smarter, is not geneticly, but culturally. Jewish parents and families (along with Asians) put a greater emphasis on education, success, finance, acomplishment, than the average non Jewish white family. To answer the people who refer to Jews as a race. Jews are not a race. Jews are white....There are blonde Jews, black haired Jews, Red Haired Jews, Brown haired Jews, Jews of all eye colors, and Jews of all races. However, Ashkenazi Jews (racially white europeans...of whatever group (germanic)(Slavic)) have some additional genes that only Jews have...probably from marrying within their own community. these genes make Jews more likely to catch some illness, though I'm not sure which one. To classify Jews as a race, would be totally false, because you could actually be a Nordic Jew, or a saharan african Jew, and both would be equally Jewish.
What exactly does Jewish mean then, distinct and apart from the religious meaning of the word? Are they a subrace of the white race in this case?

Has anyone of you arguing people actually read the article beyond the headline? Did anyone read far enough to get to the conclusion part?

My own view as an educator is that everyone has the same intellectual potential, regardless of lineage. Psychologists maintain that the average person uses only 5-7% of that potential. Differing levels of achievement among people are accounted for by the amount of their potential they have managed to exploit.

If there is any common factor accounting for the achievement of some exceptional Ashkenazi Jews it may be their cultural legacy that has enabled them to make more of themselves. Their achievements are not predestined by an accident of birth.
It does refer to a personal view though. One that I agree with.

Alright....I need to adress the people talking about the "hebrews". There are two Jewish races...that are completely different, racially, geographically, and even culturally (there are changes in the traditions in the relgion between them). First there are the Ashkenazi Jews who are the Western, Northern, Central, and eastern, European Jews...Oh, and Russian Jews..Now while there are small differences between them...they are catagorized together as Ashekenazi, which, in Hebrew literally means, Germany. Then there are the
Sephardic (Sephardic in hebrew literally means coming from Spain, or the Iberian) Jews...those who are middle eastern, North Africa, or Spain, or southern France..and I think Italian (not positive on Italian though). While all Jews would like to claim they are directly related to the the Hebrews, when, in reality, it is most likely the Sephardic who are related to the Hebrews...
All of the above has been disproved by the DNA research, that clearly showed genetic links between the Ashkenazim, the Sephardim and even the Black Ethiopean Jews. In fact, the only Jewish group that was found to not be genetically linked to the rest of the nation were the Libyan Jews, who descend from converted Berber tribes.

Interesting, yet many serbs and germanic folk are also often spectacularly tall. It makes no reference to an average, just mentions that they can reach 7ft.

If they didnt have a very tall average, then people wouldnt mention it because any race can produce unique giants....however, to have many of them...that is spectacular..which is why the tutsis are famous.

All of the above has been disproved by the DNA research, that clearly showed genetic links between the Ashkenazim, the Sephardim and even the Black Ethiopean Jews. In fact, the only Jewish group that was found to not be genetically linked to the rest of the nation were the Libyan Jews, who descend from converted Berber tribes.

I have never read anything that has proved that all Jews can trace themselves back to the orginal Hebrews...Show me.

What exactly does Jewish mean then, distinct and apart from the religious meaning of the word? Are they a subrace of the white race in this case?

No, I'm saying there not...I'm saying they are the same as non Jewish whites, except they have found that some have some greater susceptibility towards some kind of illness.

If they didnt have a very tall average, then people wouldnt mention it because any race can produce unique giants....however, to have many of them...that is spectacular..which is why the tutsis are famous.
Hmm you may be right, but I'd like to look into it more myself before I draw any conclusions. It is true that the Masai and Tutsi are tall and thin, yet I don't know if they are indeed the tallest people out there.

White people would be the bulkiest I suppose then :p Heh, at least we are distinguished for that. Again, with germanic and slavic people being at the top of the scale, being the tallest and biggest built of us.

Hmm you may be right, but I'd like to look into it more myself before I draw any conclusions. It is true that the Masai and Tutsi are tall and thin, yet I don't know if they are indeed the tallest people out there.

White people would be the bulkiest I suppose then :p Heh, at least we are distinguished for that. Again, with germanic and slavic people being at the top of the scale, being the tallest and biggest built of us.

Yeah I beleive we got that going for us. Plus we are the only race with with Green, Blue, and Hazel eyes and Blonde, Brown, and Red hair...so if we dont have the height award (damn africans:p ) then atleast we got the most colorful award:D

I have never read anything that has proved that all Jews can trace themselves back to the orginal Hebrews...Show me.
How about this? (http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp)

Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics -- the study of DNA sequences -- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.

Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East -- Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan, Yemen -- and European Jews have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.

...The findings were that most Jewish communities -- long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian Peninsula -- do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.

These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations -- Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze -- than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.

...Although the Ashkenazi (European) Jewish community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups originating in the Middle East.

...The Ashkenazi paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century CE.

There was another fascinating research about the genetic group common to the Cohanim in all Jewish communities worldwide. Made big headlines at the time.

Heh, biggest, brightest (in terms of colour :p) and most colorful. That said, there aren't really that many Masai left. So whilst they may be the tallest out there, there are still more of us to go around :p

Kein Mann ist besser als hitler! Sie sind alle weaklings und verdienen zu sterben! Hagel Hitler!

Kein Mann ist besser als hitler! Sie sind alle weaklings und verdienen zu sterben! Hagel Hitler!

YOU ARE ALL WRONG HERE, JEWS ARE OK, CHINA IS THE REAL ENEMY.

:rolleyes: How irrelevant?

:confused: How about this? (http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp)

Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics -- the study of DNA sequences -- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.

Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East -- Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan, Yemen -- and European Jews have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.

...The findings were that most Jewish communities -- long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian Peninsula -- do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.

These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations -- Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze -- than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.

...Although the Ashkenazi (European) Jewish community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups originating in the Middle East.

...The Ashkenazi paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century CE.

There was another fascinating research about the genetic group common to the Cohanim in all Jewish communities worldwide. Made big headlines at the time.

That does'nt take into account conversions and intermarrying. Surely Jews couldnt have ONLY married their family....:confused: And also, as for conversions...lots of people converted to Judaism. Now you may argue this by saying that Judaism isnt a religion people convert to, like christianity. But I would counter that with this, there arnt that many Jews in the world, so there could be many more converts to Judaism in relation to converts to Christianity, and the Jewish convert number would be dwarfed by the Christian convert number. Also...If people are going to trace people back to the middle east or Africa....over thousands of years ago...well then it doesnt really mean anything because we all came from the same area to start out with...

Only silly goyim would say that Jews aren't clever :D shame we're not quite up to scratch in the looks department...

You are all missing the point here, jews are normal people with different ideas that's all, they don't represent a threat.

The real threat is chinese people (dunno if they are called people) they´re like a plague, to every country I go there are chinese, chinese, and more chinese, we can't allow this to go any further, our goverments should create barriers to that plague that threats to destroy our civilization.

I would say we have the advantage there, but some of those Japanese and Chinese are extremely attractive, so maybe not :p Beauty is far too subjective in any case to attribute it as a trait.

Only silly goyim would say that Jews aren't clever :D shame we're not quite up to scratch in the looks department...

Speak for yourself.....*runs fingers through long golden blonde hair while staring in the mirror at my washboard abs and deep green eyes*

:confused:

That does'nt take into account conversions and intermarrying. Surely Jews couldnt have ONLY married their family....:confused: And also, as for conversions...lots of people converted to Judaism.
Of course there was a certain amount of intermarriage- which is why the Ashkenazim and the Sephardic Jews often differ in external features- but by and large, the cultural and religious factors served to largely preserve the original genetics. Intermarriage rates among Jews were relatively low, and Judaism is not a prozelitysing religion- converts were accepted, but they weren't attracted in large numbers and there were no mass conversions by conquest as was the case with Christianity or Islam.

Now you may argue this by saying that Judaism isnt a religion people convert to, like christianity. But I would counter that with this, there arnt that many Jews in the world, so there could be many more converts to Judaism in relation to converts to Christianity, and the Jewish convert number would be dwarfed by the Christian convert number.
Here you're not making any sense whatsoever.:D

Also...If people are going to trace people back to the middle east or Africa....over thousands of years ago...well then it doesnt really mean anything because we all came from the same area to start out with...
But it does mean something when a group of European looking people turns out to be closer genetically related to the Middle Eastern people than to their European neighbors.

Of course there was a certain amount of intermarriage- which is why the Ashkenazim and the Sephardic Jews often differ in external features- but by and large, the cultural and religious factors served to largely preserve the original genetics. Intermarriage rates among Jews were relatively low, and Judaism is not a prozelitysing religion- converts were accepted, but they weren't attracted in large numbers and there were no mass conversions by conquest as was the case with Christianity or Islam.


Here you're not making any sense whatsoever.:D


But it does mean something when a group of European looking people turns out to be closer genetically related to the Middle Eastern people than to their European neighbors.

I was making sense..I was saying with the ratio of converts to Juadiasm with converts to christianity, Judaism would have a larger number in the ratio...but for the real number....the christian number would dwarf the Jewish one because there are so many more Christians in the world than jews. Also...I'm sorry but there is no way in hell that I am closer to a middle eastern than I am to a Northern or Central European...If I had digital cameras right now..I would should you, but unfortunatly I cant.

I would say we have the advantage there, but some of those Japanese and Chinese are extremely attractive, so maybe not :p Beauty is far too subjective in any case to attribute it as a trait.

Japanese are ok, but trust me there are not attractive chinese.

Atlantian Isles, you have german blood, this alone would be enough to make you look different to a middle eastern man (although quite a few of them are fair skinned and haired).

Lucy Liu and Jet Li are hardly ugly, now are they?

i'm not actually going to read all 8 pages of this thread... but i'd like to thank the author for including the heil hitler option, it allowed me to feel involved in the debate in some small way without actually becoming involved in the debate.

of course they arent, they flocked in their millions to Germany even though everyone knows the germans are virulent anti-semites


signed


David Jonah Goldhagen

Interesting thought,
I wouldn't say it is because Jews are smarter that the control a large percent of the western worlds finances. It comes from Historical roots. Not till the 19th century was it legal for Jews to own land in many western European Countries. Without the ability to own land, they could not farm or set up any normal business so they had no choice but to become merchants, accountants, and tax collecters. What other choice did they have? Afterall they were just trying to look after their own family and prosper.
In essence it is the Gentiles that were trying to persecute against them made them adapt to careers that they could legally succeed in.

Speak for yourself.....*runs fingers through long golden blonde hair while staring in the mirror at my washboard abs and deep green eyes*

As a goy sadly it doesn't apply to me :P but there are of course exceptions to every rule.

And I am one such exception :p

I was making sense..I was saying with the ratio of converts to Juadiasm with converts to christianity, Judaism would have a larger number in the ratio...but for the real number....the christian number would dwarf the Jewish one because there are so many more Christians in the world than jews.
How does it matter for the issue at hand?


Also...I'm sorry but there is no way in hell that I am closer to a middle eastern than I am to a Northern or Central European...If I had digital cameras right now..I would should you, but unfortunatly I cant.
It's not about looks, its about the genetic structure. Looks are superficial- you may have less than a quarter of Black ancestry in you yet be born dark-skinned like an African.

Don't be so utterly ridiculous, however it is scientifically, incontravertibly proven that on average the cranium and according brain of a white person is larger than that of a black person.

Indeed, looks are related to the phenotypical expression of genes, and nothing more. They say little of one's origins.

Don't be so utterly ridiculous, however it is scientifically, incontravertibly proven that on average the cranium and according brain of a white person is larger than that of a black person.
Size is not what alters intelligence apparently. It has something to do with how the brain is actually formed, more than anything else.

How does it matter for the issue at hand?


It's not about looks, its about the genetic structure. Looks are superficial- you may have less than a quarter of Black ancestry in you yet be born dark-skinned like an African.

Ok....so if I have middle eastern blood...woudlnt I look like a middle eastern?

And I am one such exception :p

Really? I'd like to see some evidence :P

And I am one such exception :p

your Jewish?

As an intelligent Jew I feel I must respond. I do not believe Jews are born smarter. Are blacks born dumber just because many don't get the same level of quality education others do? Judaism places a premium on education, much like Asian culture. Also, they are disproportionately more likely to grow up in affluent settings. That is why Jews and Asians as a whole perform better-than-average on school testing and often wind up in higer paying jobs. Blacks do not perform as well because for almost the entire history of the nation they were treated as second-class citizens, and it takes decades, even centuries to fully balance out all those injustices.

Ok....so if I have middle eastern blood...woudlnt I look like a middle eastern?
You could very well have fair hair and skin, even if you are of pure middle eastern blood.

What I meant Maelog is that I am into guys. And no Atlantian Isles, I am not Jewish.

You could very well have fair hair and skin, even if you are of pure middle eastern blood.

What I meant Maelog is that I am into guys. And no Atlantian Isles, I am not Jewish.

You CANNOT have fair hair and fair skin if you are of pure middle eastern blood....lol...please tell me your joking:D

As an intelligent Jew I feel I must respond. I do not believe Jews are born smarter. Are blacks born dumber just because many don't get the same level of quality education others do? Judaism places a premium on education, much like Asian culture. Also, they are disproportionately more likely to grow up in affluent settings. That is why Jews and Asians as a whole perform better-than-average on school testing and often wind up in higer paying jobs. Blacks do not perform as well because for almost the entire history of the nation they were treated as second-class citizens, and it takes decades, even centuries to fully balance out all those injustices.

Dude...already said this...;)

You CANNOT have fair hair and fair skin if you are of pure middle eastern blood....lol...please tell me your joking:D
Some of them mingled with Greeks (many of whom are fair skinned and haired), and other Europeans, in ancient and medieval times. Thus the genes past into their gene pool. If you want to be strict about it, no, you cannot be of pure arab blood and be fair. Yet nowadays, their gene pool is arguably different.

You CANNOT have fair hair and fair skin if you are of pure middle eastern blood....lol...please tell me your joking:D
But you can if you have only a small portion of "white" blood while the rest of your genes are overwhelmingly Middle Eastern.

Indeed, that is essentially what I said with regard to phenotypes. :p

But you can if you have only a small portion of "white" blood while the rest of your genes are overwhelmingly Middle Eastern.

No you cant because dark traits beat light traits...No one with a small portion of white blood while the rest of their blood is "overwhelmingly" middle eastern has blonde hair or blue/green eyes...its just not geneticly possible.

I defy anybody here to show that they are more Jewish than I am. My descent is 1/4 Polish, 3/8 Russian, 1/8 Ukrainian, 1/4 Czech. My first name is Daniel, my last name is Polish-Jewy. My father was born in Israel and served in the Israeli Army. My father's ancestors can be traced back to a medieval Hasidic rabbi and one geneologist even said he is a direct descendant of King David. My mother spent her first year of college at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. I speak fluent Hebrew, went to a private Jewish school for 9 years, live in an affluent suburb, and am an ardent Zionist with political or legal aspirations. Top that!

It is in rare circumstances. Phenotypes are based on probabilities. So exceptionally, you can get middle easterners who are fair but have mostly arab blood.

I defy anybody here to show that they are more Jewish than I am. My descent is 1/4 Polish, 3/8 Russian, 1/8 Ukrainian, 1/4 Czech. My first name is Daniel, my last name is Polish-Jewy. My father was born in Israel and served in the Israeli Army. My father's ancestors can be traced back to a medieval Hasidic rabbi and one geneologist even said he is a direct descendant of King David. My mother spent her first year of college at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. I speak fluent Hebrew, went to a private Jewish school for 9 years, live in an affluent suburb, and am an ardent Zionist with political or legal aspirations. Top that!

We are the exact opposite...but both Jewish!

My descent is mostly Prussian (german, not polish), then Austrian, then some Russian. My last name is German. My mom has lived in germany and used to speak passable german..my father and mother are both Uber-conservatives...as am I...not like radical...just very conservative...however, I do live in an affluent suburb, lol.

Didn't they kick you out of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy when you converted?

Nope! They only do that if you become Christian.

No you cant because dark traits beat light traits...No one with a small portion of white blood while the rest of their blood is "overwhelmingly" middle eastern has blonde hair or blue/green eyes...its just not geneticly possible.
Of course it is possible. It's not even uncommon. There's plenty of Arabs here in Israel who look totally European, and there is plenty of Ashkenazim who look distinctly Middle Eastern. Or do you think the famous Jewish nose is a "white" trait? :p

Alomogordo- I'll top that.:D My last name- which I will not disclose- is uniquely Jewish and is only found among the people who come from a specific area in Belarus, which once had a Jewish majority. It has Hebrew-Aramaic roots AND coincides with the name of a desert plant typical for the Land of Israel. In fact, most Israelis I meet eventually ask me if I changed my last name to make it sound more "Zionist", because they find it hard to believe that a person born in Russia could have such a distinctly Hebrew last name. I have traced the history of my family some 500 years back, and I apparently descend from the Cohanim and have several famous Torah scholars in my ancestry. I speak Hebrew fluently enough to write fiction in it, I live in Israel, served in the IDF and completed my degree in the Tel-Aviv university. My great grandfather owned some land in the Land of Israel before the modern state of Israel was established.

THAT tops you, doesn't it:D

When taking part in a thread like this should remember that the idea of a race being smarter/dumber/shorter/taller/stronger/weaker is not in itself racist (for all of those who just like to yell racist). To be realistic is not to be racist. It must be realized that there is more of a difference between races then just the "color of the skin". We as people can either use that to establish supremacy and tear each other apart, or work together towards some common good. As for this thread in particular, well I have a Jew in my History class, and he is not very intelligent. Perhaps they do have an advantage, though thats not what I have observed so far. I think its interesting 22 percent or so voted for "Heil Hitler" :rolleyes:

I really have to say something here, because it appears some are actually taking this serious. Instead of the joke it clearly is.

This is racism of it's own brand.

Back in the 80's the K.K.K. commissioned a study to prove that white people were superior to black people. What the study in fact found was that black people were not as smart as white people, however the K.K.K. scrapped the study because what the study also found was that Asian's were smarter then everyone.

Later, the study was looked at by academics, and what had been the bases for the study was in fact environmental and had actually nothing to do with actual genetics.

If you're a poor White, Black, Jew, Asian, etc your chances at doing well in life will simply not be as good as those whose parents push their kids academically and or have the same opportunity as wealthier people.

So race seems at the end of the day to be quite irrelevant and social status far more key to success. To suggest otherwise is racist.

When taking part in a thread like this should remember that the idea of a race being smarter/dumber/shorter/taller/stronger/weaker is not in itself racist (for all of those who just like to yell racist). To be realistic is not to be racist. It must be realized that there is more of a difference between races then just the "color of the skin". We as people can either use that to establish supremacy and tear each other apart, or work together towards some common good. As for this thread in particular, well I have a Jew in my History class, and he is not very intelligent. Perhaps they do have an advantage, though thats not what I have observed so far. I think its interesting 22 percent or so voted for "Heil Hitler" :rolleyes:

You have to decide what a 'race' is, though, and whether it's a useful way of dividing up the general population. Is a race genetic, or cultural? What about epigenetics? Is ethnicity the same as race? If 'race' is cultural, why do we think of how people _look_ when we think of it?!

We need new words to debate this with!!

I really have to say something here, because it appears some are actually taking this serious. Instead of the joke it clearly is.

This is racism of it's own brand.

Back in the 80's the K.K.K. commissioned a study to prove that white people were superior to black people. What the study in fact found was that black people were not as smart as white people, however the K.K.K. scrapped the study because what the study also found was that Asian's were smarter then everyone.

Later, the study was looked at by academics, and what had been the bases for the study was in fact environmental and had actually nothing to do with actual genetics.

If you're a poor White, Black, Jew, Asian, etc your chances at doing well in life will simply not be as good as those whose parents push their kids academically and or have the same opportunity as wealthier people.

So race seems at the end of the day to be quite irrelevant and social status far more key to success. To suggest otherwise is racist.
This would appear consistent with what I have read so far.

[NS:::]Elgesh, its all this PC going overboard. Race is a completely harmless word in its true context. People need to get over Nazi usage of the word and realise what its original purpose was. To explain subdivisions within the human race.

J-J-J JEW UNIT!!!

That pretty much sums it all up for me, well said.

This thread is so stupid I couldn't bring myself to type up an actual response, so I'm glad Stephistan did it for me.

This would appear consistent with what I have read so far.

[NS:::]Elgesh, its all this PC going overboard. Race is a completely harmless word in its true context. People need to get over Nazi usage of the word and realise what its original purpose was. To explain subdivisions within the human race.

Is not so much PC as PreCision I worry about ;) Like it or not, 'race' is too fuzzy a concept to be of much help in explaining the similarities and differences between and within different groups of humans.

Ethnicity is usually taken to denote a factor based largely on genetics, culture a factor based on nurture. Race is used as both, in different contexts, so it's not as useful anymore.

Ethnicity is usually closer linked to race.

of course they arent, they flocked in their millions to Germany even though everyone knows the germans are virulent anti-semites
Well, that may be just a little bit of an oversimplification.

While Anti-Semitism was very common in Germany, it was the same in pretty much every other European country (including Britain...).

The reason Jews moved to Germany in so great numbers is that the relatively progressive Prussian Kings allowed Jews to make a proper living in Prussia, while they weren't allowed to do all sorts of business in the rest of Europe.

It was a scheme to attract capital, and it certainly worked. And I for one acknowledge the major role Jews played in the creation of my country.

That being said, I remain sceptic of any sort of genetic differences, and especially of various studies suggesting that all Jews are somehow unique. It just fits in too well with religion (the "chosen people") and Politics (we can trace ourselves back to ancient Israel, therefore all of Palestine are belong to us) to just be taken on face value.

Indeed. One should take great care in ensuring any such studies are authoritative and free of bias.

I doubt the Prussian kings were wise in their move here. They should have evaluated their subjects' attitudes before doing so. Sometimes greed leads to idiocy.

Ethnicity is usually closer linked to race.

? Where? I think we must be thinking in different contexts :) To speak of someone's ethnicity is to describe their genetic heritage seperate from their cultural background. I could be ethnically caucasian, but that doesn't give you a box to put me in - I might be Australian, American, French, British, Swedish etc etc. To start explaining my characteristics, you need to know what culture I'm from as well (and vice versa - knowing someone's culture without knowing their ethnicity [and how that might cause others to act towards them, for example] won;t get you all that far either! ;D).

Bunch of folk use the terms ethnicity and race interchangably, that mibbe what you're thinking of? They're just trying to avoid the 'R-word', as you said above :D

Indeed. One should take great care in ensuring any such studies are authoritative and free of bias.

I doubt the Prussian kings were wise in their move here. They should have evaluated their subjects' attitudes before doing so. Sometimes greed leads to idiocy.

I think the Prussians had far bigger beefs with the French that Frederick the Great imported to be his tax collecters than the Jews at that time :D

Elgesh']? Where? I think we must be thinking in different contexts :) To speak of someone's ethnicity is to describe their genetic heritage seperate from their cultural background. I could be ethnically caucasian, but that doesn't give you a box to put me in - I might be Australian, American, French, British, Swedish etc etc. To start explaining my characteristics, you need to know what culture I'm from as well (and vice versa - knowing someone's culture without knowing their ethnicity [and how that might cause others to act towards them, for example] won;t get you all that far either! ;D).

Bunch of folk use the terms ethnicity and race interchangably, that mibbe what you're thinking of? They're just trying to avoid the 'R-word', as you said above :D
Ethnicity and race coincide then. Caucasian, for instance, is the word used for the white race. Culture is indeed a very important descriptor as well.

Even if they had such power, they should have used it wisely. Forcing cultures to mix is a bad idea. If done, it should be gradual. If the subjects were so antisemitic as to make this non-viable, all the worse.

I'm jewish, but I don't think so. We might learn FASTER, but I'm not so sure about that either. And screw everybody who voted Hail Hitler.

Well, let's count the number of Jews who won Nobel Prizes. Once again, consider that there are only 14 million Jews (some say as little as 12 million) alive today. Consider also that there are 65 million Chinese with the family name of Li. So it's a small number of people.

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Could also prove that the Nobel Prize is controlled by the world wide jewish conspiracy. :eek:

No, but withtin Jewish culture (like many Asian cultures) there is a strong emphasis on learning and the supremacy of brains over brawn. Therefore, because of the cultural stimulus, many Jews are raised in an environment in which learning is praised and so are overall better educated (and so more likely to enter high level academics and produce discoveries) due to the fostering of intellectual growth at home and in the community.

"Are Jew Born Smart?"; Apparently, this person isn't...:p

Modern Asians (and specifically Japanese) may be focused on an intellectual culture, yet in ancient times both China and Japan were very much warrior nations. True, Asian martial arts do transcend the notions of physical strength, moving into the realm of focus (chi/ki), yet the common Asian knows little of these abstract notions and arts. They were in the hands and minds of the learned monks and others privileged with the knowledge. The Monks in China did indeed spread knowledge of martial arts, yet not to such a degree that the entire population would be fertile ground for intellectual flowering.

Jews are not Asian btw.

The Monks in China did indeed spread knowledge of martial arts, yet not to such a degree that the entire population would be fertile ground for intellectual flowering.
You show an astonishing tendency to generalise everyone into a weird mix of Racial Studies Textbooks and Comic Books.

Jews are not Asian btw.
Well, Israel is in Asia. Their culture developed in Asia. They are Semitic.

No, we just hold education highly. however, there have been five millenia for us to have developed a gene that makes us absorb info better.

I actually think its not that they're born smarter, but its because of Jewish values and work ethic. Out of 6 national merit semifinalists at my high school, two are Jewish.

You show an astonishing tendency to generalise everyone into a weird mix of Racial Studies Textbooks and Comic Books.


Well, Israel is in Asia. Their culture developed in Asia. They are Semitic.
When did I even attempt to generalise them? It was being argued that they have an intellectual culture. The basis of this is Tao philosophy and their martial arts concepts. If you were not aware, the Monks held most knowledge in China at a point, much like philosophers in ancient Greece. Thus, the upper echelons of their society were intellectual. Where do you see generalisation? As for comics books? Please...:rolleyes:

It was being argued that they have an intellectual culture.
Seeing the relative technological advances, that is certainly a valid point.

The basis of this is Tao philosophy and their martial arts concepts.
It certainly isn't. Taoism has never enjoyed much success in Japan, and neither has it been prevalent compared to Confucianism in China's Imperial Ages.
It was the courts which did the practical research, scientists who got money from people high up.
My point was that you hear "Asian", and automatically reply "Martial Arts".

Thus, the upper echelons of their society were intellectual.
It was the Ancient- and Middle Ages that formed this culture. That any part of their society was "intellectual" at all is enough.
Surely you won't argue that ancient Israelites were any different.

As for today...there is no such thing as "Asian Culture", at least outside Asia. Most people here seem to be talking about immigrants of different ethnicity (or their descendants), and those immigrants have no other culture but the one of their adopted home.

Seeing the relative technological advances, that is certainly a valid point.


It certainly isn't. Taoism has never enjoyed much success in Japan, and neither has it been prevalent compared to Confucianism in China's Imperial Ages.
It was the courts which did the practical research, scientists who got money from people high up.
My point was that you hear "Asian", and automatically reply "Martial Arts".
No, I made mention to martial arts because the words "brains over brawn" were used. I have done some research into Far Eastern martial arts and culture to understand how these arts work. The reply was anything but automatic. The concepts behind these arts are fascinating, and are much the product of intellectual development.

The monks were highly educated individuals. And as you said, most of the research was conducted in the high courts. Europe had similar traditions of entertaining intellectuals in its noble houses. As for modern technological research, this is restricted to Japan mostly.

It was the Ancient- and Middle Ages that formed this culture. That any part of their society was "intellectual" at all is enough.
Surely you won't argue that ancient Israelites were any different.
Most nations had intellectuals within their society. If the average national is an uneducated farmer, for example, its unlikely that you can say the nation on the whole is more intelligent than another.

Most nations had intellectuals within their society. If the average national is an uneducated farmer, for example, its unlikely that you can say the nation on the whole is more intelligent than another.
It is impossible to say that regardless of circumstances.

I'd never even think of claiming that Germany was more intelligent than Chad. Better educated maybe, but more intelligent? Never.

And that is the point of this entire thread. That people would argue that the intelligence of Jews is greater than that of other people.

Very true. Education allows one to take advantage of their intelligence, so I shall agree here.

How is a Religion/People BORN smart?

I can't say that God has made the Jews his chosen people, sorry to say.
You guys took way too much shit in WW2 for me to:
A: Consider you are Gods children
B: Have faith in God...


How are you BORN smarter? What sense does that make?! Sorry if I'm being prej. but that's just horse hockey.

Reading this thread, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

:eek:

I think : everyone ist born as a baby....
not as a Jew
or a Christ
or a Nazi like a quarter of the people in this forum ....

or are the 25% who vote "Heil Hitler" just born silly ???

I think : everyone ist born as a baby....
not as a Jew
or a Christ
or a Nazi like a quarter of the people in this forum ....

or are the 25% who vote "Heil Hitler" just born silly ???
People are STILL ON THIS THREAD??? GAAGH!

I think : everyone ist born as a baby....
not as a Jew
or a Christ
or a Nazi like a quarter of the people in this forum ....

or are the 25% who vote "Heil Hitler" just born silly ???

I voted Heil Hitler and I'm Jewish... y'know, because of the funny.

:headbang: very funny

Exspecially if no one of your family belong to the 6.000.000....:(

:headbang: very funny

Exspecially if no one of your family belong to the 6.000.000....:(
Six point zero zero zero point zero zero zero. Perhaps it is good that as a Jew he can realise the atrocities but also, realise the time for hatred/depression/sadness etc is over.. May aswell joke.

:headbang: very funny

Exspecially if no one of your family belong to the 6.000.000....:(

Oh they do, I'm quater Polish Jewish and quater Austro-Hungarian Jewish... needless to say there's very few of both communities left alive now.

Still, the bastard's frying in hell right now... I'm sure he'd be happy to have someone say hello to him!

I surrender :headbang:

I surrender :headbang:

I think some voted Heil Hilter as a jab at the whole notion of the thread. That was my initial inclination to vote to imply the OP was fascist.

The fact of the matter is that race is essential non-existent whether studied biologically, genetically, or anthropologically. A baby, as you said, is a baby.

Funs, fun, but the racial superiority/inferiority theories discussed in this thread are not really funny and are very dangerous.

When did I even attempt to generalise them? It was being argued that they have an intellectual culture. The basis of this is Tao philosophy and their martial arts concepts. If you were not aware, the Monks held most knowledge in China at a point, much like philosophers in ancient Greece. Thus, the upper echelons of their society were intellectual. Where do you see generalisation? As for comics books? Please...:rolleyes:
All this talk about monks and martial arts does seem like a bit of a distorted, even if well meaning, caricature of east Asian societies.

Monks were never considered intellectual in China or Korea, and even less so in Japan. That is because in China and similarly in Korea, all intellectual authority was wielded by secular bureaucrats who passed the imperial "Keju" examinations, especially the bureaucrat-intellectuals who ran the imperial academies at Hanlin, etc. Also a minuscule minority of monks practiced martial arts, mostly limited to a few specific monasteries such as Shaolin. Most monasteries were hospitals and temples, not martial arts studios or intellectual academies, and monks' martial arts really had no practical application in Asian history.

Furthermore traditional Chinese bureaucratic intellectualism was NOT creative, because Confucianism had strict traditions against systematic science or creative discovery. Instead, traditional Asian intellectualism looks to established norms, specifically the study of "classic literature" such as the Confucian textbooks, and how these "established truths" may be applied to modern society. This sort of conservative intellectualism was a far cry from scientific experimentalism or natural philosophy. Therefore not even the secular courts patronized scientists or promoted science. The important scientific discoveries of east Asia were done in a decentralized, accidental way up til about 1000 AD when east Asia simply stopped generating interesting new science partly because the philosophy of neo-Confucianism in the Soong Dynasty considered tasks like working with numbers and fiddling with machines to be ungraceful. any tremendous new discoveries would require an environment that systematically promotes this type of innovation, culturally and financially. It did not help that the Ming Dynasty of China outlawed sailing and the Tokugawa Bakufu regime in Japan outlawed most foreign trade, both due to cultural considerations.

Except for a few high ranking mystics who curried the favor of the superstitious emperors, monks in East Asia did not constitute an elite... in fact monks were lower class, although respected for their religious devotion. most people who became monks did so because they were too poverty stricken to begin with, and if they did chores at a monastery, at least they could get food to eat.

In Japan monks were even less prominent for a variety of reasons.

Of course it is possible. It's not even uncommon. There's plenty of Arabs here in Israel who look totally European, and there is plenty of Ashkenazim who look distinctly Middle Eastern. Or do you think the famous Jewish nose is a "white" trait? :p

There is no Jewish nose...thats just Nazi bullshit

The reason why theres plenty of middle easterns in Israel who look Europeans is because....after Israel was made a state lots of europeans moved there!

Well, that may be just a little bit of an oversimplification.

While Anti-Semitism was very common in Germany, it was the same in pretty much every other European country (including Britain...).

The reason Jews moved to Germany in so great numbers is that the relatively progressive Prussian Kings allowed Jews to make a proper living in Prussia, while they weren't allowed to do all sorts of business in the rest of Europe.

It was a scheme to attract capital, and it certainly worked. And I for one acknowledge the major role Jews played in the creation of my country.

That being said, I remain sceptic of any sort of genetic differences, and especially of various studies suggesting that all Jews are somehow unique. It just fits in too well with religion (the "chosen people") and Politics (we can trace ourselves back to ancient Israel, therefore all of Palestine are belong to us) to just be taken on face value.

Wow...this may be the first time we truley agree on everything...couldnt say that last paragraph better myself:p Good job!

Thats like saying all Asian kids are naturally good at math. Or that Polish people are the only ones who can invent pennicilin, which would be true because it was already invented. But yeah, its all in the upbringing. Jewish people are taught to be smarter or else they are fed to the giant man-eatting goat from hell. :)

Given that there's no overall accepted rating of intelligence (worldwide, never mind species-wide) and no overall accepted rating of what makes "A Jew", the argument is null and void except in one-case scenarios.

All this talk about monks and martial arts does seem like a bit of a distorted, even if well meaning, caricature of east Asian societies.

Monks were never considered intellectual in China or Korea, and even less so in Japan. That is because in China and similarly in Korea, all intellectual authority was wielded by secular bureaucrats who passed the imperial "Keju" examinations, especially the bureaucrat-intellectuals who ran the imperial academies at Hanlin, etc. Also a minuscule minority of monks practiced martial arts, mostly limited to a few specific monasteries such as Shaolin. Most monasteries were hospitals and temples, not martial arts studios or intellectual academies, and monks' martial arts really had no practical application in Asian history.

Furthermore traditional Chinese bureaucratic intellectualism was NOT creative, because Confucianism had strict traditions against systematic science or creative discovery. Instead, traditional Asian intellectualism looks to established norms, specifically the study of "classic literature" such as the Confucian textbooks, and how these "established truths" may be applied to modern society. This sort of conservative intellectualism was a far cry from scientific experimentalism or natural philosophy. Therefore not even the secular courts patronized scientists or promoted science. The important scientific discoveries of east Asia were done in a decentralized, accidental way up til about 1000 AD when east Asia simply stopped generating interesting new science partly because the philosophy of neo-Confucianism in the Soong Dynasty considered tasks like working with numbers and fiddling with machines to be ungraceful. any tremendous new discoveries would require an environment that systematically promotes this type of innovation, culturally and financially. It did not help that the Ming Dynasty of China outlawed sailing and the Tokugawa Bakufu regime in Japan outlawed most foreign trade, both due to cultural considerations.

Except for a few high ranking mystics who curried the favor of the superstitious emperors, monks in East Asia did not constitute an elite... in fact monks were lower class, although respected for their religious devotion. most people who became monks did so because they were too poverty stricken to begin with, and if they did chores at a monastery, at least they could get food to eat.

In Japan monks were even less prominent for a variety of reasons.
Enlightening. Thanks for all the info. I am not sure by what you mean that the martial arts had little practical applicability in asian history though. Do you mean they were not taught to many? It is true that very, very few knew them. Even nowadays, martial arts, whilst highly effective, require devotion and capital to learn, and whilst they are more popular now, are still learnt by few. The situation in ancient China and Japan was similar, in that few had knowledge of them.

And now for something completely different...

first of all, I haven't read through the thread so...

Anyway. I would have to say yes that they are. There are many of other studies and historians who have made the same point - being that Jews have had historically had to have jobs that could be taken with them (As they were kicked out of so many places), such as those like Doctors and Lawyers and the such. This is opposed to the average job of history like farmers (peasants) and craftsmen.

Though you got to love how this article was posted by a jew on a jewish website/newspaper (don't worry I am Jewish too).