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Well. if the west wants a Prime Minister then they should start cultivating some top notch politicians that can appeal to the masses, and not kowtow to western principles. Who was the leader of the Alliance before the merger with the Progressive Conservatives.....oh yeah Stockwell "Nickle Short" Day.

The Conservatives need to elect a leader with a vision for ALL of Canada, then they might be successful in getting a PM at 24 Sussex in Ottawa.

Agreed. Stephen Harper might have some good ideas, but he has many bad ones that doesn't appeal to me. Gay Marriage? I might not care for two homosexuals getting married, but I don't see how it affects my life and that it shouldn't become an issue.

The thing is, like any other elected leader, they need to represent the majority of the people. That means putting away your faith and your "ideas" of a perfect utopia society and cater to the people. It does mean flip floping a little and changing your views every now and then.

The problem with Canadian Politics is everyone is an asshole. Jack thinks that people shouldn't have the option of choosing between private and public healthcare, Liberals thinks that we give them money so they can have money fights, and Harper's believes gays are the biggest problem in Canada.

For Americans who thought "Bush versus Kerry" was voting one evil for another, come to Canada.

Harper's promise on the other hand, has no strings attached. In most cases, the equivalent of $100 a month will not let a parent stay home if they had to work before, it won't pay for a childcare slot without further subsidization, and no way to prove that the money has been spent on anything child related.


The point of this is so the pressure isn't so bad. That 100 bucks could be used for food, paying off the bills, or whatnot.

And if the parent is using BESIDES the child related or for the welfare of the family, they are already a bad parent to begin with.

Like any other social program, it has it's problems. If we got rid every social program with a flaw or two, we would have none. Although I personally believe that wouldn't be a bad idea.

Canada City']As you prefer the government giving out handouts and lazy parenting over Harper's "It's the parents job to be parents, not the government" stance?

:headbang:


Congrats! You lamest post yet!

Explain to me how simply cutting a cheque to all parents to be used for the purposes of child care irrespective of whether they actually USE childcare represents an exercise in fiscal restraint as the CPC states is one of their guiding principles, or promotes less "lazy parenting"?

I mean - if you are against child care, then why would you be sending the money at all?

Canada City']The point of this is so the pressure isn't so bad. That 100 bucks could be used for food, paying off the bills, or whatnot.

And if the parent is using BESIDES the child related or for the welfare of the family, they are already a bad parent to begin with.

Like any other social program, it has it's problems. If we got rid every social program with a flaw or two, we would have none. Although I personally believe that wouldn't be a bad idea.


There is already a child tax credit designed to help out lower income parents with those costs. Adding a freebie handout to all irrespective of need or intended use seems to be totally at odds with the Conservative mantra. If you just want to give back more money to those who have kids then expand the applicable tax deductions for parents and lower their taxes.

This "plan" is one thing and one thing only: A transparent attempt to buy votes.

There is already a child tax credit designed to help out lower income parents with those costs. Adding a freebie handout to all irrespective of need or intended use seems to be totally at odds with the Conservative mantra. If you just want to give back more money to those who have kids then expand the applicable tax deductions for parents and lower their taxes.

This "plan" is one thing and one thing only: A transparent attempt to buy votes.

In a perfect world, there wouldn't be need for this.

The thing is, as I mentioned earlier, you need to cater to the people. And parents are people too, and I guarantee you that there is a majority of them that wouldn't mind some sort of government help. I'm against the idea, but I do see it as yet another necessary evil in politics.

I would much rather have free money given by the government then spending a few billion dollars on a poorly-run government childcare program. Look how effective the government healthcare is run. Why create another money sink that big on something that won't work? Give the money to the parents, make it less complicated, so they can use it on other stuff. The money would be helpful in buying the baby equipment such as carriages, beds, and so forth. Working at a department store in shipping and handling, I know for a fact that buying stuff for a newborn baby is very costly. If I was a parent, I would rather that extra bit of money for myself to buy baby needs then billions of dollars on daycare.

Oh, I agree that the Liberal intent to only deal in publicly funded child care is also less than ideal. Far less.

However, IF the government is in the business of helping subsidize child care, then simply expanding the existing tax deductions for such costs makes far more sense than either of these plans. It lets parents choose their provider, only kicks in if used, and is already a part of the tax code.

Right now a lot of private providers offer lower rates if you don't want receipts. This lets them earn unreported income while providing the parent with an equavalently subsidized rate.

If the tax deduction was significatly revised upwards the government would be able provide the same financial gain to parents who use this service and also have the benefit that fewer providers would be willing to offer a low enough rate to stay competitive with the tax rebate and get paid under the table.

This would help offset the costs of the program by ensuring more taxable income gets reported.

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif The good news:
-The Liberals are getting their ass kicked.
-NDP support rising

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif The bad news:
-Liberal ass kicked = Conservative gov't

Source:
http://democraticspace.com/blog/2006/01/jan-7-2006-election-update-conservatives-climbing/

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif The good news:
-The Liberals are getting their ass kicked.
-NDP support rising

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif The bad news:
-Liberal ass kicked = Conservative gov't

Source:
http://democraticspace.com/blog/2006/01/jan-7-2006-election-update-conservatives-climbing/

I fail to see how Conservatives winning is a bad thing. They are running an incredible campaign and Stephen Harper isn't the same person we knew in 2004.

Canada City']I fail to see how Conservatives winning is a bad thing. They are running an incredible campaign and Stephen Harper isn't the same person we knew in 2004.
Because Conservatives are bad. Didn't you know that? All Conservatives are backwards ignorant fools who don't know anything about the world and how it runs?[/sarcasm]

Canada City']I fail to see how Conservatives winning is a bad thing. They are running an incredible campaign and Stephen Harper isn't the same person we knew in 2004.I know the Conservatives ran a "clean" campaign and Harper is the most polite politician in Canada (Well, that what somebody told me :D).

But under the conservative gov't, will they support any of these points that matters me?

1) I want someone who will stand up to the US for my interests as well as the interests of other canadians

2) Education, I want more assistance for my education (as long as I stay within canada to work)

3) I want the days where people mattered back. I do not want the days where we will sacrifice people in order to gain more walmarts. Just because walmarts employ alot of people doesnt mean they are good. Can you live off 8.00/hr?

4) Medicare, I do not want a privatized system for medicare. I do not believe profits should be made by caring for the citizens of our country.

5) Gay marriage, have at it as long as they stop bitching im good (doesnt affect me but im sick of hearing them bitching). They get the same benefits and drawbacks of other people great.

6) Equality amoung citizens no more of this i am a minority so i deserve special rights bs. This goes for natives chinese people tasmanian devils whatever we are all canadian citizens and deserve the same rights. This wont happen but a guy can dream.

7) Less dependance on the USA its great that they are convienient trading partners and all but we need to start using other options so they cant dick us around so much.

Well, I believe the conservatives support none of these that matters me.

BTW, these points are copied and pasted from a fellow poster from another forum (http://hackingthemainframe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=68968#68968).

15 days till election day.

Will the Liberal's eventually rebound in the polls?

Will the Conservatives form a gov't that would probably last 3 months?

Will the NDP make an election surprise?

Then let's find out.

Quite frankly I'm not at all worried about a Conservative government on the basis that it will not last very long if they do in fact win.

In your dreams ;)

Besides, the HoC isn't dumb. Elections cost money. They'll have to live with Canada's decision, unless Canada wants the Conservatives out in exchange for $300 million down the tube. Ah, the price of democracy. :)

CONSERVATIVES RAWK OUT!
Stand up for Canada!

The upside to the possibility of a conservative victory is that the pie industry will see a huge spike in stock value.

In your dreams ;)

this?

Will the NDP make an election surprise?

LOL

BTW I'm enjoying seeing the Liberals getting their ass kicked, even it means conservatives gov't. But still, seeing the NDP and Conservatives kicking some Liberals ass is worth the entertainment. :D

CONSERVATIVES RAWK OUT!
Stand up for Canada!
Want me to pull out that big ass NDP logo again? Here it come...












































JOKING JOKING!!! :D

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If the Conservatives win the Canadian election, will the reaction from the Canadian media be one of stunned horror? I imagine the American press wouldn't be too sad...

If the Conservatives win the Canadian election, will the reaction from the Canadian media be one of stunned horror? I imagine the American press wouldn't be too sad...By and large, the CPC campaign is receiving quite favourable press. I doubt they would react in stunned horror, as the current predictions are for a Conservative minority. And, for that matter, the opinion columns in CanWest/Sun publications and Macleans magazine will no doubt be quite pleased, perhaps even cartwheeling, over a CPC win.

Of course, the pollsters predicted a CPC win in June 2004, too. And I think that I can say that there was a certain amount of stunned horror in some opinion pieces when the LPC won that one...

I don't think the Conservatives can win the election despite the fact they are slightly ahead in the polls. If they do win they will not have a majority and they won't be able to hold down or negotiate with any other party. We could be seeing re-elections later on this year if the conservatives win.

I am a big L Liberal but despite that I am glad that they are having a tough time in the polls. A lesson of humility every once in a while sponsered by the great people of canada that traditionaly vote Liberal is a great thing.

Perspective:

It's not really about winning an election, per se. It's about winning a clear mandate. Any minority government, of any political stripe, runs the risk of overstepping its' bounds at every turn.

Rick Mercer predicted a Conservative minoirty gov would have a shorter lifespan than that of a mosquito.

Anybody have a can of RAID handy?

Wow, a minority conservative government, potentially scary. The NDP said they would work with a conservative minority but honestly would the conservatives be receptive to the NDP (unlike the Liberals)? Also, as long as the liberals are doing badly in Quebec the Bloc wouldn't care about propping up a minority government. The conservatives wouldn't have a chance to make a mistake because none of the other parties would really want to work with them. I wouldn't be surprised if the liberals and the NDP join together to form the government in order to avoid another election.

The only reason this party may last past another vote of no confidence is because Canadians are tired of elections.

1) I want someone who will stand up to the US for my interests as well as the interests of other canadians


Stephen harper already stated many times that he won't go into iraqi and will deal with china when it comes to softwood lumber.

One thing that harper isn't doing is taking pot shots at the States, unlike Paul Martin.


2) Education, I want more assistance for my education (as long as I stay within canada to work)


Can't really do much about this unfortunately. Ontario does have some of the best education in canadian, especially when it comes to cars and animation. The only way Canada would allow people to work in their provience is if the market allows new business or attracts businesses. No party has really mentioned anything about that yet.


3) I want the days where people mattered back. I do not want the days where we will sacrifice people in order to gain more walmarts. Just because walmarts employ alot of people doesnt mean they are good. Can you live off 8.00/hr?


I really want to ask the anti-wal-mart people a question. Have you ever worked in that type of environment before? I have.

It isn't hard, even a mentally challenged person can do it (and I had two, who had higher work ethics then the norms). The majority of the job is either punching numbers into the cash register, stacking items on shelves, or moving big items from the back for out in display or into the car of the customer. No education isn't required and you don't need a PHD for it. I don't believe that a job like that should get me a nice fancy apartment with a big screen TV.

As for Walmart itself, I'm glad it exists. I shop there for whatever I need, from Diet pepsi to the thicket of hair gels. I save a lot more money then going to place where it might cost me double for the same product.


4) Medicare, I do not want a privatized system for medicare. I do not believe profits should be made by caring for the citizens of our country.


Harper hasn't mentioned much about healthcare, but he does plan on having some immigration policy changed because ..

well, Read it yourself. http://www.keithfountain.ca/news.asp?newsID=14


5) Gay marriage, have at it as long as they stop bitching im good (doesnt affect me but im sick of hearing them bitching). They get the same benefits and drawbacks of other people great.


Although I will agree on Harper that it wasn't exactly a fair vote (btw, you know paul martin was opposed to gay marriage in 1999, right?), I don't see it as being a big issue. Unless I start seeing gays buttfucking each other out in the open with flowers coming out of their dicks in the streets of Toronto, I'm not bothered by it.

And I really hope I messed up someone's mind with that image.


6) Equality amoung citizens no more of this i am a minority so i deserve special rights bs. This goes for natives chinese people tasmanian devils whatever we are all canadian citizens and deserve the same rights. This wont happen but a guy can dream.


I agree. I find it rather sick that black people get their own schools and scholarships. Not because it's a black only thing, but it tells me that they need special treatment, which I know they don't.


7) Less dependance on the USA its great that they are convienient trading partners and all but we need to start using other options so they cant dick us around so much.


True, very true.