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Welsh man invents anti-teenager device

Lt_Cody
30-11-2005, 00:46
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BARRY, Wales - Though he did not know it at the time, the idea came to Howard Stapleton when he was 12 and visiting a factory with his father, a manufacturing executive in London. Opening the door to a room where workers were using high-frequency welding equipment, he found he could not bear to go inside.

"The noise!" he complained.

"What noise?" the grownups asked.

Now 39, Mr. Stapleton has taken the lesson he learned that day - that children can hear sounds at higher frequencies than adults can - to fashion a novel device that he hopes will provide a solution to the eternal problem of obstreperous teenagers who hang around outside stores and cause trouble.

The device, called the Mosquito ("It's small and annoying," Mr. Stapleton said), emits a high-frequency pulsing sound that, he says, can be heard by most people younger than 20 and almost no one older than 30. The sound is designed to so irritate young people that after several minutes, they cannot stand it and go away.

So far, the Mosquito has been road-tested in only one place, at the entrance to the Spar convenience store in this town in South Wales. Like birds perched on telephone wires, surly teenagers used to plant themselves on the railings just outside the door, smoking, drinking, shouting rude words at customers and making regular disruptive forays inside.

"On the low end of the scale, it would be intimidating for customers," said Robert Gough, who, with his parents, owns the store. "On the high end, they'd be in the shop fighting, stealing and assaulting the staff."

Mr. Gough (pronounced GUFF) planned to install a sound system that would blast classical music into the parking lot, another method known to horrify hang-out youths into dispersing, but never got around to it. But last month, Mr. Stapleton gave him a Mosquito for a free trial. The results were almost instantaneous. It was as if someone had used anti-teenager spray around the entrance, the way you might spray your sofas to keep pets off. Where disaffected youths used to congregate, now there is no one.

At first, members of the usual crowd tried to gather as normal, repeatedly going inside the store with their fingers in their ears and "begging me to turn it off," Mr. Gough said. But he held firm and neatly avoided possible aggressive confrontations: "I told them it was to keep birds away because of the bird flu epidemic."

A trip to Spar here in Barry confirmed the strange truth of the phenomenon. The Mosquito is positioned just outside the door. Although this reporter could not hear anything, being too old, several young people attested to the fact that yes, there was a noise, and yes, it was extremely annoying.

"It's loud and squeaky and it just goes through you," said Jodie Evans, 15, who was shopping at the store even though she was supposed to be in school. "It gets inside you."

Miss Evans and a 12-year-old friend who did not want to be interviewed were once part of a regular gang of loiterers, said Mr. Gough's father, Philip. "That little girl used to be a right pain, shouting abuse and bad language," he said of the 12-year-old. "Now she'll just come in, do her shopping and go."

Robert Gough, who said he could hear the noise even though he is 34, described it as "a pulsating chirp," the sort you might hear if you suffered from tinnitus. By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.

Mr. Stapleton, a security consultant whose experience in installing store alarms and the like alerted him to the gravity of the loitering problem, studied other teenage-repellents as part of his research. Some shops, for example, use "zit lamps," which drive teenagers away by casting a blue light onto their spotty skin, accentuating any whiteheads and other blemishes.

Using his children as guinea pigs, he tried a number of different noise and frequency levels, testing a single-toned unit before settling on a pulsating tone which, he said, is more unbearable, and which can be broadcast at 75 decibels, within government auditory-safety limits. "I didn't want to make it hurt," Mr. Stapleton said. "It just has to nag at them."

The device has not yet been tested by hearing experts.

Andrew King, a professor of neurophysiology at Oxford University, said in an e-mail interview that while the ability to hear high frequencies deteriorates with age, the change happens so gradually that many non-teenagers might well hear the Mosquito's noise. "Unless the store owners wish to sell their goods only to senior citizens," he wrote, "I doubt that this would work."

Mr. Stapleton argues, though, that it doesn't matter if people in their 20's and 30's can hear the Mosquito, since they are unlikely to be hanging out in front of stores, anyway.

It is too early to predict the device's future. Since an article about it appeared in The Grocer, a British trade magazine, Mr. Stapleton has become modestly famous, answering inquiries from hundreds of people and filling orders for dozens of the devices, not only in stores but also in places like railroad yards. He appeared recently on Richard & Judy, an Oprah-esque afternoon talk show, where the device successfully vexed all but one of the members of a girls' choir.

He is considering introducing a much louder unit that can be switched on in emergencies with a panic button. It would be most useful when youths swarm into stores and begin stealing en masse, a phenomenon known in Britain as steaming. The idea would be to blast them with such an unacceptably loud, high noise - a noise inaudible to older shoppers - that they would immediately leave.

"It's very difficult to shoplift," Mr. Stapleton said, "when you have your fingers in your ears."

Well, you learn something knew every day. Although with the way teenagers blast their ears deaf with their music, this might not work as well as it should :D
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 00:47
I have a 45 that is quite good as an anti-teenager device.
UpwardThrust
30-11-2005, 00:50
You must be reading digg lol it was on there thismorning
Super-power
30-11-2005, 00:50
This is just another insidious plot by adults to turn teenagers into adults faster, and recruit more of them in their assault on childom! The Kids Next Door will stop at no cost to eliminate this threat! :p
UpwardThrust
30-11-2005, 00:51
I have a 45 that is quite good as an anti-teenager device.
If I remember right brandishing such and or threatning people with it (in this case scaring away the loiters) is ... frowned on
UpwardThrust
30-11-2005, 00:52
What about all thoes lousy kids that listen to music while loitering?
Teh_pantless_hero
30-11-2005, 00:54
I have a 45 that is quite good as an anti-teenager device.
I am positive that shooting people is illegal, if not brandishing a weapon in public.
Kyleslavia
30-11-2005, 00:54
heh interesting article
Deviltrainee
30-11-2005, 00:55
this sounds pretty stupid, its called discrimination, and they havent had it tested to see if it does damage, and many other things
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
30-11-2005, 00:57
I am positive that shooting people is illegal, if not brandishing a weapon in public.
Buzz-kill. It is because of stuff like that that you never get invited to any of the good parties.
West Pacific
30-11-2005, 01:00
Did they ever try telling them to leave? Or how about this, if teenage drinking is such a problem perhaps they should raise the drinking age to something higher than 7, maybe that would work. If you walk out with a baseball bat and hit one of them the rest will flee. It is a commonly used tactic, Catholic's use it with children, when they have eight one day and two days later only seven and the kids are so much quieter and respectful you know what happened. :P
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 01:10
I am positive that shooting people is illegal, if not brandishing a weapon in public.
Not if they are assaulting you.

In some states, such as Washington State, it is legal for civilians to shoot people in the back who are fleeing with anything worth more than 250 dollars.
Ftagn
30-11-2005, 01:19
Not if they are assaulting you.

In some states, such as Washington State, it is legal for civilians to shoot people in the back who are fleeing with anything worth more than 250 dollars.

!!!!

Wow... I've lived here my whole life and didn't know that. I knew the gun laws here were very...limited, but I didn't think there was any way to get away with shooting people.
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 01:25
!!!!

Wow... I've lived here my whole life and didn't know that. I knew the gun laws here were very...limited, but I didn't think there was any way to get away with shooting people.

There are websites that collect this sort of information, and then if you question it, your state has its laws online, and you can check the references.

In Virginia, I can't shoot a felon who is running away, unless they are in the process of committing a life-threatening attack on someone while running (so, if he's shooting at people while he runs, he's fair game).

Acting to pre-empt someone who is robbing you (strongarm robbery works) is perfectly legal. You don't have to shoot them, but you can draw and point it at them. They usually get the hint.
The Lone Alliance
30-11-2005, 01:34
You know if they get hearing problems later in life they can sue that guy's ass off. No one has any clue that that could effect someone permantly.
Anarchic Conceptions
30-11-2005, 01:50
I have a 45 that is quite good as an anti-teenager device.

Can you stand outside Spar with it?
Anarchic Conceptions
30-11-2005, 01:54
You know if they get hearing problems later in life they can sue that guy's ass off. No one has any clue that that could effect someone permantly.

Are scallies well known for being litigious?
Utracia
30-11-2005, 02:02
You know if they get hearing problems later in life they can sue that guy's ass off. No one has any clue that that could effect someone permantly.

They would have to prove it so that there is no doubt that the device caused the damage. Hard to do though I'm sure it won't stop people from trying to make a quick buck.
Parminth
30-11-2005, 02:12
I think some old people are jealous they cant be young hmmmmmmm......
Kevlanakia
30-11-2005, 02:44
Kids are annoying anyway. They should be raised in the countryside or in caves up in the mountain by nomads and their pet bears until they are old enough not to be nuisances. That way, decent, normal folk don't have to be bothered with them.
Vetalia
30-11-2005, 02:48
Damn children and their "music television" and their "hula hoops"...by Jove, back in my day I was potting tigers in India and not wasting my life on frivolity such as this...lock them all up.
Dobbsworld
30-11-2005, 02:57
*chuckles*

Actually, it's rather clever. I know that ultra-high frequency pitch they're talking about - I'd hear it, but my Dad couldn't. I'd get it from the old Motorola black & white TV in the livingroom, mostly. I had to describe to him what I was hearing, and he recalled that same high-frequency tone - when they'd listen to the family radio when he was growing up, though he couldn't remember clearly the last time he'd heard it.

I'd always thought of it as just an interesting bit of auditory trivia, I think it's terrific someone's been able to figure out how to make use of it. Good for him.

Anyways, it sucks loitering in front of stores. It's better to do it in a park.
Lt_Cody
30-11-2005, 02:59
They would have to prove it so that there is no doubt that the device caused the damage. Hard to do though I'm sure it won't stop people from trying to make a quick buck.
Indeed, esp. since most kids these days play the music so loud you can hear it coming out of their headphones from across the room, it'll be a hard case to prove.
Utracia
30-11-2005, 03:06
Indeed, esp. since most kids these days play the music so loud you can hear it coming out of their headphones from across the room, it'll be a hard case to prove.

I know! I've never liked music that loud but it is really annoying when someone turns the bass on their car stereo so loud that the windows of my house rattle.
German Nightmare
30-11-2005, 03:10
Mmh. This indeed is very interesting!

But before he can really sell it on a big scale he definitely needs to change the name to something way cooler, like BUZZ-OFF :D

http://www.actiontoys.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/MOTUF-004L_thumb.jpg
Dakini
30-11-2005, 03:13
I think they tested that thing out in one of the lecture halls on campus. I can't stand to go classes if they're in that room because of a highpitched noise that just doesn't stop. :(
Iztatepopotla
30-11-2005, 03:27
"anti-teenager device"? Bah! I thought this thread was about comdoms.
Teh_pantless_hero
30-11-2005, 03:30
Not if they are assaulting you.
You need a very expensive lawyer to turn loitering into assault.
Artitsa
30-11-2005, 03:37
Did they ever try telling them to leave? Or how about this, if teenage drinking is such a problem perhaps they should raise the drinking age to something higher than 7, maybe that would work. If you walk out with a baseball bat and hit one of them the rest will flee. It is a commonly used tactic, Catholic's use it with children, when they have eight one day and two days later only seven and the kids are so much quieter and respectful you know what happened. :P

You ever been to Wales bud? Its not nearly the same as what you are accustomed to. When I went to the valley towns in southern wales, there were indeed gangs of youths outside the grocery stores. They threatened us... 30 big rugby players from Canada... they had knives and their own baseball bats. One fellow had a rifle strapped to his back, even though Im 99.9% sure that it is incredibly hard to get firearms in Great Britain. I would not like to see what would happen if you went outside with a baseball bat...

Ever heard of swarming?
Kanabia
30-11-2005, 03:52
Heh. I had to get rid of a computer monitor because it made a sound like that.

But how the feck are we supposed to buy stuff if they put these around everywhere?
West Pacific
30-11-2005, 04:29
You ever been to Wales bud? Its not nearly the same as what you are accustomed to. When I went to the valley towns in southern wales, there were indeed gangs of youths outside the grocery stores. They threatened us... 30 big rugby players from Canada... they had knives and their own baseball bats. One fellow had a rifle strapped to his back, even though Im 99.9% sure that it is incredibly hard to get firearms in Great Britain. I would not like to see what would happen if you went outside with a baseball bat...

Ever heard of swarming?

I just had this great idea.

After basic I am supposed to be stationed in Germany, one weekend a month me and about 15 of my buddies will take leave and head to Wales, we will then beat the hell out of any teenagers we may find loitering outside of a grocery store and then run to the Embassy before the British police in their mini's can catch us with their whistles. We'll name it "We beat the hell out of any teenager's we find loitering outside of your grocery store." or something terribly obvious like that. Kind of like the "We sell your stuff on ebay store."

Brilliant! *cheers*
Artitsa
30-11-2005, 04:36
I like it very much! Though, I doubt the British cops would do anything... they didn't do anything when we were there. In fact, they drove very fast through the town, called Rhymney.
Cynigal
30-11-2005, 17:38
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Well, you learn something knew every day. Although with the way teenagers blast their ears deaf with their music, this might not work as well as it should :D
:cool: I want a battery operated version to wear. I might never take it off.
UpwardThrust
30-11-2005, 18:22
Heh. I had to get rid of a computer monitor because it made a sound like that.

But how the feck are we supposed to buy stuff if they put these around everywhere?
Agreed ... I would hardly want to go to a place that made this sort of sound
Computer monitor's and tv's that do this are bad enough ... I dont need to be associating myself with places that purposly make it uncomfortable for someone of my age group to frequent
Lankuria
30-11-2005, 18:23
Considering all the cash that people under 20 have, i don't think it'll do their business miuch good ... because you know, there are actually normal teenagers like myself who don't loiter in front of stores, but occasionally want to make a purchase without having the equivalent of big "fuck off" signs everywhere.
Eutrusca
30-11-2005, 18:24
Well, you learn something knew every day. Although with the way teenagers blast their ears deaf with their music, this might not work as well as it should :D
Me, I just play classical music. Works every time. :D
UpwardThrust
30-11-2005, 18:24
Not if they are assaulting you.

In some states, such as Washington State, it is legal for civilians to shoot people in the back who are fleeing with anything worth more than 250 dollars.
Who said anything about assult or theft

This article was trying to reduce loitering by teens
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 18:25
Considering all the cash that people under 20 have, i don't think it'll do their business miuch good ... because you know, there are actually normal teenagers like myself who don't loiter in front of stores, but occasionally want to make a purchase without having the equivalent of big "fuck off" signs everywhere.
Indeed - the device is too broad and general in effect.

Storeowners should buy pepper spray in the large industrial size dispenser.
UpwardThrust
30-11-2005, 18:25
Considering all the cash that people under 20 have, i don't think it'll do their business miuch good ... because you know, there are actually normal teenagers like myself who don't loiter in front of stores, but occasionally want to make a purchase without having the equivalent of big "fuck off" signs everywhere.
yup and there are people like me over 20 that can still hear that sort of pitch that dont want the same thing
Fenland Friends
30-11-2005, 18:28
Storeowners should buy pepper spray in the large industrial size dispenser.

Illegal in the UK. However, really hot pepper sauce on their chips should shift 'em

After basic I am supposed to be stationed in Germany, one weekend a month me and about 15 of my buddies will take leave and head to Wales, we will then beat the hell out of any teenagers we may find loitering outside of a grocery store and then run to the Embassy before the British police in their mini's can catch us with their whistles. We'll name it "We beat the hell out of any teenager's we find loitering outside of your grocery store." or something terribly obvious like that. Kind of like the "We sell your stuff on ebay store."

Oh lordy. Minis? Whistles? South Wales? I'm not even religious and I'm praying for you right now........
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 18:30
Illegal in the UK. However, really hot pepper sauce on their chips should shift 'em

Wow. You can buy pepper spray nearly everywhere in the US.

I have a fire extinguisher size dispenser within reach of the driver's seat in my car.
UpwardThrust
30-11-2005, 18:34
Indeed - the device is too broad and general in effect.

Storeowners should buy pepper spray in the large industrial size dispenser.
Im pretty sure that cant be used against loiters either, not without more occuring then loitering
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 18:42
Im pretty sure that cant be used against loiters either, not without more occuring then loitering
In the US, you only need a verbal threat from one of them, unprovoked. If you ask them to leave, and one of them makes the mistake of making a verbal threat, you can hose them down, and say you were defending yourself (especially, if as one poster has indicated, there are more than one of them, and they have visible weapons).
Unabashed Greed
30-11-2005, 19:34
In the US, you only need a verbal threat from one of them, unprovoked. If you ask them to leave, and one of them makes the mistake of making a verbal threat, you can hose them down, and say you were defending yourself (especially, if as one poster has indicated, there are more than one of them, and they have visible weapons).

Dude. Why are you so keen on hurting people? You profess to be a christian, but then turn around on multiple threads talking about your guns, how good you are with them, and various other ways in which you have the ability to bring harm to other people.

Even here. Your very first post had you talking about your .45
Tomasalia
01-12-2005, 00:24
To be pedantic Gough is actually pronounced Goff, and I very much doubt that a youth would have had a real rifle with him (most likely it was fake).

They are tending to use Classical music now, especially in places like Bus Stations, but I look forward to having my ear drums assaulted by this mosquito thing:)