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War has broken out, with the Russians, Chinese and Indians vs. the United States. The entire Russian, Chinese & Indian navies are facing off against the entire US navy in the middle of the Pacific ocean. All Russian/Chinese/Indian ships have been repaired and refurbished to modern standards. Their goal is to destroy or otherwise disable the opposition to open way for the invasion fleet (unlikely, yes, but bear with me here :D ). How does the battle go?

US Navy
8 Nimitz-class carriers (nuclear)
3 JFK/Enterprise/Kitty Hawk-class carriers (conventional)
27 Ticonderoga-class cruisers (Both VLS and non-VLS)
53 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers (All Flights)
30 Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates
1 Virginia-class attack sub (nuclear)
2 Seawolf-class attack subs (nuclear)
50 Los Angeles-class attack subs (nuclear)

Vs.

Russian Navy
1 Kuznetsov-class carrier
2 Kirov-class cruisers
3 Slava-class cruisers
9 Sovremenny-class destroyers
8 Udaloy-class destroyers
9 Akula-class attack subs (nuclear)
3 Sierra-class attack subs (nuclear)
18 Kilo-class attack subs (conventional)

Chinese Navy
2 Hangzhou-class destroyers
4 Luyang I/II-class destroyers
2 Luhai-class destroyers
1 Luhu-class destroyers
2 Jiangkai-class frigates
14 Jiangwei I/II-class frigates
30 Jianghu-class frigates
1 Shang-class attack sub (nuclear)
5 Han-class attack subs (nuclear)
30 Kilo/Yuan/Song/Ming attack subs (conventional)
35 Romeo-class subs (conventional)

Indian Navy
1 Viraat-class carrier
3 Talwar-class destroyers
3 Delhi-class destroyers
5 Rajput-class destroyers
1 Shivalik-class frigate
6 Godavari-class frigates
4 Nilgiri-class friagtes
10 Sindhu Ghosh-class attack subs (conventional)
4 Shishumar-class attack subs (conventional)
2 Kursura-class attack subs (conventional)

Everyone dies except the cockroaches.

Olara']Everyone dies except the cockroaches.
Ah, forgot about that.

No nukes btw :D

436 to 500 air to surface and surface to surface missiles later.

SCI navy sunk, US navy didn't even deploy outside of normal operations...

(this is assuming your scenario, with no surprise attacks etc., the SCI Navy has zero chance 'unless' war is declared only after visual range is achieved - the US Navy would own the air and it's all over but the bubbling sounds of drowning sailors). :p

Hmmm I though the Chinese didn't like the Russians and the Indians don't care for the chinese. That pesky invasion awhile back.

I vote for the Cockroaches! New World order!

John Kerry would skipper a swiftboat, thereby losing the war for the USN.

Hmmm I though the Chinese didn't like the Russians and the Indians don't care for the chinese. That pesky invasion awhile back.

I vote for the Cockroaches! New World order!
For real. Those things can live for days with no heads. They truly are the superior species.

436 to 500 air to surface and surface to surface missiles later.

SCI navy sunk, US navy didn't even deploy outside of normal operations...

(this is assuming your scenario, with no surprise attacks etc., the SCI Navy has zero chance 'unless' war is declared only after visual range is achieved - the US Navy would own the air and it's all over but the bubbling sounds of drowning sailors). :p

Don't forget the US's exocet missles and phlanax anti missle defenses.

No chance for the SCI.

11 Fleet carriers vs. 1 fleet carrier and 2 mediums.


Enough said.


worst case scenario, possibly losing a couple of carriers on the US side and the SCI scatters to the wind taking enourmous casaulties.

US wins.

Hmmm I though the Chinese didn't like the Russians and the Indians don't care for the chinese. That pesky invasion awhile back.
Well, individually they're weaker both tech and number wise, and it was slightly more plausible then having Japan or S. Korea working with China :D

And cockroaches surviving is a given, stay on topic! :p :D

I would say it would take a Pearl Harbor-esque attack for the Alliance navy to win.

Well, individually they're weaker both tech and number wise, and it was slightly more plausible then having Japan or S. Korea working with China :D

And cockroaches surviving is a given, stay on topic! :p :D


what sort of scenario are you lookiing for.


for one, its just flat out implausible that any of the nations would concentrate their forces like that.

2. WHERE in the pacific? you've got to give a reference point.

3. How are the forces deployed?

By the first post, i presume Lt_Cody hasn't got a clue abouth realy size of those nations navy...

And do you relay think Russian navy is that bad...you only watch Discovery to muck...go to Russia and you will se for real...

By the first post, i presume Lt_Cody hasn't got a clue abouth realy size of those nations navy...

And do you relay think Russian navy is that bad...you only watch Discovery to muck...go to Russia and you will se for real...

I do know that there is a starvation problem in the Russian Navy.

By the first post, i presume Lt_Cody hasn't got a clue abouth realy size of those nations navy...
Left out much of the smaller combat & the support ships, since they really wouldn't offer much to the battle.

And do you relay think Russian navy is that bad...you only watch Discovery to muck...go to Russia and you will se for real...
Well, for example, of the 4 original Kirov-class vessels, the Admiral Ushakov is suppose to have been decomissioned in '01, the Admiral Lazarev was decomissioned in '97, and the Admiral Nakimov won't finish her repairs until 2007, leaving Pyotr Velikhy the only active ship of the class for the moment. That's a pretty poor shape for the Russian navy to be in.

By the first post, i presume Lt_Cody hasn't got a clue abouth realy size of those nations navy...

And do you relay think Russian navy is that bad...you only watch Discovery to muck...go to Russia and you will se for real...

Umm... the Russian navy is nothing to brag about. It's at about 60% manning level right now, and most ships are frozen at their docks. Kindof pitiful really...

for one, its just flat out implausible that any of the nations would concentrate their forces like that.
Obviously

2. WHERE in the pacific? you've got to give a reference point.
As far away from any land bases of either side. This is suppose to be a purely navy v. navy fight.

3. How are the forces deployed?
Entirely up to the commanders, or however you envision it would be

Well, it's looking like the USN wins hands down. Just overall superior quality and size. We should compare land and air forces, there would be more room for debate.

I will win because I am the God of all. ;)

But really, here's a more obvious depiction of the war:

Everybody dies of old age.

We should compare land and air forces, there would be more room for debate.

I belive that Russians would win on land... Americans have better quality, but an average surviving time of a tank in a battle is 5 minutes, Americans have 2000 (not sure abouth the number) and the Russians 60.000...

But anyway, i belive such debates could go on forever...nobody could tell who will win, there can always hapen something anybody didn't count on, and it changes everything...

I will win because I am the God of all. ;)

But really, here's a more obvious depiction of the war:

Everybody dies of old age.

Quoted for truth!

Obviously


As far away from any land bases of either side. This is suppose to be a purely navy v. navy fight.


Entirely up to the commanders, or however you envision it would be


so an extremely vague scenario.


all right, US Sonar operators fall asleep at the switch, and some of the really quiet diesels all get in lucky shots. Sinking 6 American Aircraft carriers, damaging 3 beyond the capability of launching aircraft. And lightly damaging 2 more. The Kitty Hawk and Carl Vinson luck out. and an alpha strike of Russian Su-34's and Indian Harriers slip in, taking heavy losses between Super Hornet CAP and anti-aircraft defenses from the fleet, but they manage to slide in and knock Carl Vinson out of the fight along with some other smaller ships. An alpha strike from the Kitty hawk damages the Lone Russian CV and it incapable of recovering aircraft. SO the Su-34's that survived have to ditch in the ocean......................................


easily possible, but not really plausible.

Olara']Everyone dies except the cockroaches.And Cher. Don't forget Cher. :p

BTW the Enterprise is a nuclear powered carrier

CVN-65

Dont forget about Russian missiles... They are easly as good, if not better then US madecrusie missiles, the new one that can strafe side to side and move in random high G fasion will en route to its target to avoid anti missile fire is pretty bad ass...the phalax and patriots will have a very hard time defending against that....there go your carriers.

However, who the hell fights a naval war now days?! that went out with wwII between air war and irruglar urban combat, that about covers modern non nuclear warfare.

the Missile I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-NX-30 (I know its more of a nuclear ICBM, but Im sure in a pinch you can use it with a nuke warhead or conventional warhead to vapourize small pieces of floating debris like a aircraft carrier.)

Number one, it's unlikely that the three nations mentioned would work together against the Americans. Number two, you'd have to add the Royal Navy and possibly several other smaller navies (perhaps the French, and no jokes about their surrendering in two minutes please). Number three, if Pakistan has any naval assets, they'd likely take the chance to go after their traditional enemies in India. Number four, the Japanese would likely get involved and their naval assets are possibly better than anything China could cough up.

There's a book called The War That Never Was by Michael A. Palmer that depicts how several experts including former President George Bush and former Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev would have conducted a Third World War. It includes several political elements such as traditional enmities (like the Russians and the Chinese).

As for your scenario, it would depend on which side took initiative first. I could see several American warships going to the bottom of the ocean, but I can also see the Americans getting air superiority and causing some serious damage to enemy assets. I don't think India has such a horrible military and I think they could give the Americans fits.

Number one, it's unlikely that the three nations mentioned would work together against the Americans. Number two, you'd have to add the Royal Navy and possibly several other smaller navies (perhaps the French, and no jokes about their surrendering in two minutes please). Number three, if Pakistan has any naval assets, they'd likely take the chance to go after their traditional enemies in India. Number four, the Japanese would likely get involved and their naval assets are possibly better than anything China could cough up.

There's a book called The War That Never Was by Michael A. Palmer that depicts how several experts including former President George Bush and former Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev would have conducted a Third World War. It includes several political elements such as traditional enmities (like the Russians and the Chinese).

As for your scenario, it would depend on which side took initiative first. I could see several American warships going to the bottom of the ocean, but I can also see the Americans getting air superiority and causing some serious damage to enemy assets. I don't think India has such a horrible military and I think they could give the Americans fits.

I have that book as well. Its an excellent and informative read, and also a great yarn, extremely realistic. Sarzonia is right. Your scenario is wildly inaccurate and vague, not to mention politically practically impossible. You've forgotten the Royal Navy, France, possibly Germany and the rest of NATO in certain conditions - which again you didn't talk about - so there are far too many variables here.

personaly, i believe india and china should get their armies up to eastern siberia, transport all three by S***loads of amphibious vehicles, take out alaska, sneak through canada while they are bitching over their election, then do a mass invasion from the north. with a billion people in both china and india, that would be a lot of illegal immagrants....

There's a book called The War That Never Was by Michael A. Palmer that depicts how several experts including former President George Bush and former Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev would have conducted a Third World War. It includes several political elements such as traditional enmities (like the Russians and the Chinese). If the writer has a brain... he would not never assume that the Chinese(or the Russians) are not going to use their nukes.

Only an idiot would say "no nukes please"...and assume they will go for it.