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"Love has no gender."

The most commonly repeated talking point of homosexuals.

You know what pisses me off about this phrase? If you're explicitly homosexual, love quite obviously does have a gender.

I have nothing wrong with homosexuals at all. What you do in your free time is up to you. No one gives me a hard time for the things I do, so why should I give anyone a hard time for the things they do in their free time if it isn't a burden on society? In fact, I've got quite a few homosexual friends, and not a single problem with any of them.

But c'mon, you've got to admit. Being explicitly homosexual and saying "Love has no gender" makes about as much sense as the Christians who say that homosexuals burn in hell.

Whether you're heterosexual or homosexual, if you claim "love has no gender," you're a hypocrite, and those are the people who need to burn in hell (hypocrites). The only people who can say "love has no gender" are bisexuals.

Me? I'm a perfectly content heterosexual that understands that love DOES have a gender, even if for some people, it's the same gender as themself.

A meat grinder?

Maybe they just mean it grammatically.

A meat grinder?

Ouch.

You're ignoring the target of the statement.

Of course love has a gender.

If you're a gay guy you like guys, if you're a lesbian you love women, it's all the same.

What they're saying is that, just because you're hetero doesn't mean that love, true love is specific to being straight.

Surely that's obvious and you're not trying, purely, just to start some flame war right?:eek:

Maybe they just mean it grammatically.
I sure hope so, but somehow, I doubt that.


And if you're coming here to spam/hijack, please leave.

Megaloria at least read the first line of the post...unlike the others, who just say the thread title, click on the thread, then clicked reply...

Meh.. meat grinders are very safe.. it's the bandsaws and tenderizers you gotta look out for.

Edit: More to the point: why get worked up over a slogan? That's all it is.

Megaloria at least read the first line of the post...unlike the others, who just say the thread title, click on the thread, then clicked reply...
Oh, no. I read the whole post. That was just the most relevant thing I could come up with.


Anyhow, "love has no sex" (keep it clean, folks) is incorrect, but "love has no gender" can be perfectly correct, because sex =/= gender.

Wuv, twu wuv, is what bwings us togevevah.

"Love has no gender."

The most commonly repeated talking point of homosexuals.

The only people who can say "love has no gender" are bisexuals.

Actually, bisexual supremacists are the only ones who spout that nonsense. "I fall in love with a person, not their gender" like the rest of us fall in love with walking, talking cocks or pussies. Really, there is a lot of resentment against that sort of rhetoric from bisexuals within the gay communities.

Now, I believe that you may have misunderstood someone wanting to say that the love between a man and a man and the love between and woman and a woman and the love between a man and a woman are the same - i.e. that love itself is genderless as it is the same no matter what gender you fall in love with, but not that love is independent from gender preference.

You're ignoring the target of the statement.

Of course love has a gender.

If you're a gay guy you like guys, if you're a lesbian you love women, it's all the same.

What they're saying is that, just because you're hetero doesn't mean that love, true love is specific to being straight.

Surely that's obvious and you're not trying, purely, just to start some flame war right?:eek:
I wish two things.

1. You're post made a little more sense to me (I think I already ran this idea through my head and still didn't make solid sense to me).
2. You wouldn't accuse me of attempting to start a flame war. I started the thread to discuss an overused talking point. Half the people who use it probably only use it because they've heard someone else say it (as a homosexual) and it sounds like something neat to yell at an ignorant Christian.

*cries*

the sarcasm it's killing me

Whether you're heterosexual or homosexual, if you claim "love has no gender," you're a hypocrite, and those are the people who need to burn in hell (hypocrites). The only people who can say "love has no gender" are bisexuals.

Some people argue that sexuality is not one of the three "gay, bi. straight" trio thing, but a slide. Denote people only attracted to their own gender as 0, people equally attracted to both sexes as 50 and people only aroused by the opposite sex as 100 - and most of the worlds population will NOT be found at the extreme edges.

Still, the "knows no gender comment" is still inaccurate. But possibly slightly less than you thought ;)

I don't think that's exactly what homosexuals mean when they say "love has no gender." I think they're getting at the idea of "love has no gender roles and does not necessarily take the form of heterosexual monogamous pair bonds." But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Of course, your general point is quite accurate. Anybody who discriminates based on gender when they select their romantic partners would be silly to claim that "love has no gender" for them. There's nothing shameful about being exclusively heterosexual or homosexual (though I must admit that I can't really understand either of those), as long as you are respectful, loving, and honest in your sexual and/or romantic dealings.

I sure hope so, but somehow, I doubt that.


And if you're coming here to spam/hijack, please leave.

Megaloria at least read the first line of the post...unlike the others, who just say the thread title, click on the thread, then clicked reply...

I read the whole thing. I just think the issue is silly, and I never take anything too seriously anyway. Also, I did very well in english class. Also, if I ever hi-jack a thread, it will involve a crow bar or punctuation-syphoning.

Surely that's obvious and you're not trying, purely, just to start some flame war right?:eek:

*gasp!* That someone might do as you say on the hallowed pages of NS General is simply inconceivable! :eek:

*gasp!* That someone might do as on say on the hallowed pages of NS General is simply inconceivable! :eek:


You keep using that word.

I do not think that word means what you think it does.

Some people argue that sexuality is not one of the three "gay, bi. straight" trio thing, but a slide. Denote people only attracted to their own gender as 0, people equally attracted to both sexes as 50 and people only aroused by the opposite sex as 100 - and most of the worlds population will NOT be found at the extreme edges.

Still, the "knows no gender comment" is still inaccurate. But possibly slightly less than you thought ;)
No, I knew about the slide thing, and I know I'm probably not at an extreme, but I still consider myself strictly hetero, and I'm not sure what kind of man it would take to convince me to date another man...

But what I'm really talking about are people who don't necessarily understand the slide, or even if they do understand the slide, they believe themselves to be at one extreme (strictly homosexual)...

And with the thought that they'd never date the opposite sex, no matter what, they still say "love has no gender."

You keep using that word.

I do not think that word means what you think it does.

You must have rolled low and failed your Detect Sarcasm check, maybe you need to pump more points into the skill at next level up?

You must have rolled low and failed your Detect Sarcasm check, maybe you need to pump more points into the skill at next level up?
...wow.

You must have rolled low and failed your Detect Sarcasm check, maybe you need to pump more points into the skill at next level up?


Nonsense.

You merely need to adjust your THAC0 to include movie references.

See: The Princess Bride.

Nonsense.

You merely need to adjust your THAC0 to include movie references.

See: The Princess Bride.

Thac0 Is Wacko, pal. Go third edition.

I don't think that's exactly what homosexuals mean when they say "love has no gender." I think they're getting at the idea of "love has no gender roles and does not necessarily take the form of heterosexual monogamous pair bonds." But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Of course, your general point is quite accurate. Anybody who discriminates based on gender when they select their romantic partners would be silly to claim that "love has no gender" for them. There's nothing shameful about being exclusively heterosexual or homosexual (though I must admit that I can't really understand either of those), as long as you are respectful, loving, and honest in your sexual and/or romantic dealings.


Where my words fail me, Wanksta Nation - this person succeeds. :D

RE: your reply to his statement.

My point is that by saying love has no gender, a (in this case) homosexual person is stating that two gay people can fall in love and therefore should be guaranteed the same rights as a heterosexual couple.

It's not that falling in love has no boundaries so to speak (although technically it does as an extension of - love itself has no boundaries.

Personally, love has boundaries, but this is not a personaly statement it is a blanket statement. Love has no boundaries - and one can fall in love with whomever and whatever they want. This does not change the fact that it feels like love, no matter the subject.

Nonsense.

You merely need to adjust your THAC0 to include movie references.

See: The Princess Bride.

Ahhhh. The last time I saw that film was back in high school. I must rent it upon my next outing to Ye Olde Video Shoppe so that I might once again bask in the glow of its glory.

You get +35 XP for your use of THAC0, though.

So, how much will I get flamed if I point out that there are more kinds of love than sexual love? It's not always about sex, you know.

:rolleyes:

Actually, bisexual supremacists are the only ones who spout that nonsense. "I fall in love with a person, not their gender" like the rest of us fall in love with walking, talking cocks or pussies. Really, there is a lot of resentment against that sort of rhetoric from bisexuals within the gay communities.

That kind of bisexual is silly, because of course we (bisexuals) don't fall in love with just "the person." Bisexuals still experience physical attraction, and it is most certainly still a factor in our mate-selection processes.

I don't discriminate on the basis of gender, but I sure as hell discriminate on the basis of attractiveness. If a person is utterly physically unattractive to me, I probably wouldn't be able to have a lasting romantic relationship with them no matter how amazing a person they are on the inside. I could love them passionately in a platonic sense, of course, but it's unlikely I could be monogamous if there was no physical "zing" to the relationship.

Sexuality has to do with physical factors, though that is certainly not ALL it is about. Bisexuals may not discriminate based on the shape of a person's genitals, but they will still discriminate about things like nose shape, build, bone structure, etc...all the same physical traits that anybody else looks at.

some people may fall in love exclusively with one gender and for them you may say that love has a gender, but for those that can find love with more than one gender, then love has um... two genders?

So something this trivial really grinds your gears? Are you constantly pissed off?

Oh and Fass, get over it, you are just jealous that bisexuals have it better than everyone else :P

Plus the above poster is correct (Edit: Dishonorable Scum not Bottle), there is more than just sexual love (not that I believe that sex has anything to do with love but for some of you it apparently does - personally I separate love and lust) if you love your parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, and so forth it probably has nothign to do with their gender and therefore gender has no love. or something :D

That kind of bisexual is silly, because of course we (bisexuals) don't fall in love with just "the person." Bisexuals still experience physical attraction, and it is most certainly still a factor in our mate-selection processes.

I don't discriminate on the basis of gender, but I sure as hell discriminate on the basis of attractiveness. If a person is utterly physically unattractive to me, I probably wouldn't be able to have a lasting romantic relationship with them no matter how amazing a person they are on the inside. I could love them passionately in a platonic sense, of course, but it's unlikely I could be monogamous if there was no physical "zing" to the relationship.

Sexuality has to do with physical factors, though that is certainly not ALL it is about. Bisexuals may not discriminate based on the shape of a person's genitals, but they will still discriminate about things like nose shape, build, bone structure, etc...all the same physical traits that anybody else looks at.

So basically lust has a gender and love has a component of intellectuality? :p

Oh and Fass, get over it, you are just jealous that bisexuals have it better than everyone else :P

And bisexuals wonder why they're so low on the desirability ladder. :p

And bisexuals wonder why they're so low on the desirability ladder. :p


*sticks a frog in your trousers*

nope, I only say stuff like that to angry gay men with a chip on their shoulders when it comes to bisexuals :D

It's not always about sex, you know.


*GASP*

REPENT SINNER!!! lol

*sticks a frog in your trousers*
nope, I only say stuff like that to angry gay men with a chip on their shoulders when it comes to bisexuals :D

I don't have a chip on my shoulders. I usually don't even give bisexuals a second thought.

I don't have a chip on my shoulders. I usually don't even give bisexuals a second thought.


If you say so but thats not the impression I get. Bigons... oh sorry gay/straight gons.

If you say so but thats not the impression I get. Bigons... oh sorry gay/straight gons.

This is an online forum. Impressions here are meaningless.

I don't have a chip on my shoulders. I usually don't even give bisexuals a second thought.

You do have a chip on your shoulder, Fass. It's a fairly large potato chip. It's gone cold and soggy now, but if I heat it up and dip it in some chilli sauce, it'll still be Mmm-mmm, tasty!

You keep using that word.

I do not think that word means what you think it does.Two Princess Bride quotes in a row?
Well, at least now my mind is made up about what I'll be doing this afternoon...

Two Princess Bride quotes in a row?
Well, at least now my mind is made up about what I'll be doing this afternoon...

Likewise.

My name is Enigo Megaloria. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

And bisexuals wonder why they're so low on the desirability ladder. :p
Wait, we are?! Please, I beg of you, spread this message of our undesirableness to all the crazy heteros who have the bizarre bisexual fetish thing going on!!! I dream of a world where heteros are as uninterested in us bisexuals as you proud gay fellows are...

Wait, we are?! Please, I beg of you, spread this message of our undesirableness to all the crazy heteros who have the bizarre bisexual fetish thing going on!!! I dream of a world where heteros are as uninterested in us bisexuals as you proud gay fellows are...

Heteros don't count. They never do.

Wait, we are?! Please, I beg of you, spread this message of our undesirableness to all the crazy heteros who have the bizarre bisexual fetish thing going on!!! I dream of a world where heteros are as uninterested in us bisexuals as you proud gay fellows are...

Yes. Go to Adult Friend Finder and see how many hetero couples are looking for a bisexual woman... ye Gods...

Yes. Go to Adult Friend Finder and see how many hetero couples are looking for a bisexual woman... ye Gods...

Thats because bi-sexual women are worshiped as modern sex goddess while bi-sexual males are shifty perverts one step above pedophiles.

Wow, four D&D references, three Princess Bride quotes, and a Family Guy reference in 3 pages on a thread about homosexual love.
NS General is now officially the nerdiest place I frequent.

Wow, four D&D references, three Princess Bride quotes, and a Family Guy reference in 3 pages on a thread about homosexual love.
NS General is now officially the nerdiest place I frequent.
Oh, I know. And I knew you'd know I'd know you knew.

Wow, four D&D references, three Princess Bride quotes, and a Family Guy reference in 3 pages on a thread about homosexual love.
NS General is now officially the nerdiest place I frequent.

Yeah, same here since the game store backhome closed its doors.

Oh, wait. Maybe the transformers message boards are worse. I don't know, it's all blurry.

Oh, I know. And I knew you'd know I'd know you knew.
Dear God, is there no end to it? Can I not escape this hideous madness?

Dear God, is there no end to it? Can I not escape this hideous madness?
I only knew that you'd know that I knew. Did you know that?

Dear God, is there no end to it? Can I not escape this hideous madness?

...Anybody wanna peanut?

'Love is not defined by gender' or 'Love is blind to gender' is more in line with the argument they are espousing.

And with the thought that they'd never date the opposite sex, no matter what, they still say "love has no gender."
Maybe what they're saying is that while it's highly unlikely they would ever date the opposite sex, they still acknowledge the possibility that they could fall in love with someone of the opposite sex? Few heterosexuals will acknowledge the possibility of falling in love with someone of the same sex. (And no, if either of these scenarios happens, this doesn't make the person in question bisexual.)