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Pastor acquitted of hate speech charges

Fass
29-11-2005, 09:48
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=495007&previousRenderType=6

Free translation:

The Supreme Court acquits pentecostal pastor Åke Green from charges of agitation against population group in a sermon on homosexuality

- I feel relieved. I tried to imagine what a conviction would mean, so it feels good that the supreme court has ruled that one may continue to have the freedom of expressing one's conviction, says Åke Green when contacted by DN.se over the phone in Borgholm pentecostal church.

He had around 9 o'clock not yet had time to speak to his attorney, Percy Bratt, but had already received many reactions to the ruling from different sources.

In its ruling the Supreme Court writes that his statements, while far-reaching, were made in a sermon before his own congregation and on a theme found in the Bible.

[...]

It was in a sermon in Borgholm pentecostal church that Green spoke of homosexuals and said, among other things, that "sexual abnormalities are a deep, cancerous tumour on the societal body" and that "sexually twisted people will even rape animals."

Approximately 50 people partook of the sermon and Green managed to get extracts from it published in a newspaper.

He was tried for agitation against a population group and was sentenced on June 29 2004 to one month in prison by Kalmar tingsrätt (lower court). The ruling was appealed to Göta hovrätt (regional appellate court) in Jönköping, where it was overturned February 11 this year. That Court found that while his statements were remarkable, his right to freely interpret the Bible bore more weight.

The Supreme Court states in its ruling that Green's statements clearly breach the boundary for an objective and reliable debate on the topic of homosexuality. Åke Green purposefully disseminated these statements before his congregation in a sermon while being fully aware that they would be found offensive and insulting.

However, the Court finds that a conviction would not stand scrutiny before the European Court of Human Rights, which has acquitted in several similar cases previously, says chief justice Johan Munch to TT.

Upon a gathered review of the statements, it is apparent that they do not fall in the realm of "hate speech," writes the Supreme Court.

This is true for even the most far-reaching of the statements, including the one about cancerous tumours, because it in conjunction with the rest of the sermon cannot be seen as having encouraged or justified hatred against homosexuals, writes the Court.

Finally, I say, finally! Now hopefully we can go back to what should have been done about this idiot from the beginning: ignoring him like we do with the rest of the religious and homophobic whackos. The Supreme Court's ruling, I find, is correct, but raises the question of the point of having an agitation against population group law in the first place, as it can't even be used to get this moron convicted (the Court finds that his statements are punishable by Swedish law, but that the European Convention on Human Rights protects them!). I would hope this would be a step towards a repeal, but knowing the Riksdag and the government, I won't be holding my breath.
Cromotar
29-11-2005, 10:00
Agreed. If he had just been ignored from the start we would all have been spared a great deal of annoyance. Funny (?) thing: I actually know the twit that originally pressed charges against him. A social democrat. Imagine.
Fass
29-11-2005, 10:09
Agreed. If he had just been ignored from the start we would all have been spared a great deal of annoyance. Funny (?) thing: I actually know the twit that originally pressed charges against him. A social democrat. Imagine.

I am shocked. Shocked and dismayed, I say. Hmm, but I have to shamefully admit that with the ever so growingly xenophobic tendencies of Folkpartiet (the liberals) and their imbecilic support for aspects of the US in the "war on terror," I am left with the choice of either voting for the social democrats, or abstaining. The Greens and the Left are loony, Moderaterna never an option, the Christian Democrats vile and disgusting as always, and the Centre almost as much a joke as Feminist Initiative and the June List. A vote for the Social Democrats ends up being a cancellation of a vote for the Christian Democrats at least. :\
Mariehamn
29-11-2005, 10:14
Whoa! More than two parties? How can you not vote?

Erm...joking.... :p
Fass
29-11-2005, 10:21
Whoa! More than two parties? How can you not vote?

Erm...joking.... :p

This is what happens when you realise that the Greens really are bonkers and Folkpartiet pander to certain groups with the basest form of populism, not to mention figuratively suck US cock. I am disenfranchised, I guess.
Cromotar
29-11-2005, 10:59
I am shocked. Shocked and dismayed, I say. Hmm, but I have to shamefully admit that with the ever so growingly xenophobic tendencies of Folkpartiet (the liberals) and their imbecilic support for aspects of the US in the "war on terror," I am left with the choice of either voting for the social democrats, or abstaining. The Greens and the Left are loony, Moderaterna never an option, the Christian Democrats vile and disgusting as always, and the Centre almost as much a joke as Feminist Initiative and the June List. A vote for the Social Democrats ends up being a cancellation of a vote for the Christian Democrats at least. :\

I disagree with your view on Folkpartiet. Most of their views really are liberal, it's just that certain tidbits of their program are taken out of context and then blown way out of proportion by the media, thereby branding them "xenophobic", when they are in fact one of the least xenophobic of the parties. Their motto is "frihet med ansvar", freedom with responsibility.

The social democrats are a true power party, doing anything to remain in the authorative position. For too long Göran Persson has been running the country like it's his own friggin' company.

But now I'm off-topic.
Mariehamn
29-11-2005, 11:12
But now I'm off-topic.
Me, too. There's a lot of Swede's here! :eek:
Pepe Dominguez
29-11-2005, 12:50
This is what happens when you realise that the Greens really are bonkers and Folkpartiet pander to certain groups with the basest form of populism, not to mention figuratively suck US cock. I am disenfranchised, I guess.

Clearly you need to contact Yogi Yorgesson via crystal ball and get his opinion... Yogi always knew best, God rest his soul.. he truly was taken from us too early. :(

But he lives on in song!

http://great-song-stylists-uk.com/Yogi%20Yorgesson/Yogiyorgesson2.htm

:)
Cromotar
29-11-2005, 15:08
Interesting editorial on the subject, also on DN, that has been translated to English:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=578&a=495180&previousRenderType=6
Greenlander
29-11-2005, 15:43
This is what happens when you realise that the Greens really are bonkers and Folkpartiet pander to certain groups with the basest form of populism, not to mention figuratively suck US cock. I am disenfranchised, I guess.

Nah, you're just an extremist zealot, you can tell that because no one else goes far enough for you. Get it? That's usually the first clue one has that they have gone too far down the singular road of self promotion in denial of all other’s concerns.
Economic Associates
29-11-2005, 15:51
Nah, you're just an extremist zealot, you can tell that because no one else goes far enough for you. Get it? That's usually the first clue one has that they have gone too far down the singular road of self promotion in denial of all other’s concerns.

Well this remark came out of left field.

On topic though I don't agree with the guys views I am glad he was aquitted. I'm not a fan of having the government tell me what I can say so its only natural that on an idealistic level I have to side with the pastor. Otherwise the pastor himself is a idiotic jackass but thats another story.
Fass
29-11-2005, 16:09
Nah, you're just an extremist zealot, you can tell that because no one else goes far enough for you. Get it? That's usually the first clue one has that they have gone too far down the singular road of self promotion in denial of all other’s concerns.

Bwahahaha! As we'd say, det kom från rätt käft! ("That came from the right pair of jaws.") I guess you of all people Greenlander should know what it's like to be an extremist zealot - that you can even try to call someone else that with a straight face is quite remarkable indeed, especially someone who is so "extreme," he professed to be voting for the Social Democrats in the next election. Your comment is hilarious and ironic on so many levels.
Deep Kimchi
29-11-2005, 16:18
Did I miss something? Is this "Beat On Sweden Week"?

So many topics about "the evil that is Sweden".
Fass
29-11-2005, 16:19
Did I miss something? Is this "Beat On Sweden Week"?

So many topics about "the evil that is Sweden".

This isn't a topic on how evil Sweden is - this is a topic on "look, the Supreme Court did something right!" Also a follow-up, since we had quite a large thread about Åke Green and this case a while back. :\
Deep Kimchi
29-11-2005, 16:22
This isn't a topic on how evil Sweden is - this is a topic on "look, the Supreme Court did something right!" Also a follow-up, since we had quite a large thread about Åke Green and this case a while back. :\
There's a lot of animosity in more than just this thread about Sweden. I wonder why. It strikes me as such an innocuous place. Smiling, good looking blond people.
Fass
29-11-2005, 16:24
There's a lot of animosity in more than just this thread about Sweden. I wonder why. It strikes me as such an innocuous place. Smiling, good looking blond people.

Animosity? Where? Do you mean Greenlander's post? Yeah, he kind of does that in all threads, pay it no attention.
Deep Kimchi
29-11-2005, 16:28
Animosity? Where? Do you mean Greenlander's post? Yeah, he kind of does that in all threads, pay it no attention.
One thread on Swedish Nazis, and another thread on Swedish suicide bombers...
Fass
29-11-2005, 16:37
One thread on Swedish Nazis, and another thread on Swedish suicide bombers...

Well, one is by FireAntz (the one that isn't really about Swedish Nazis at all, actually) and the other (about Bosnian suicide bombers, actually) by Greenlander. Were you expecting sunshine and lollipops from those two?
Barvinia
29-11-2005, 16:39
His innocence was obvious! Now it's time to go back and continue preaching the truth once again and help those lost souls that so desperetaly need his help. GOD's work is never done! Teach them and guide them well, towards the narrow and righteous path of glory, salvation and everlasting life. GOD bless you Mr. Green!
Fass
29-11-2005, 16:41
His innocence was obvious! Now it's time to go back and continue preaching the truth once again and help those lost souls that so desperetaly need his help. GOD's work is never done! Teach them and guide them well, towards the narrow and righteous path of glory, salvation and everlasting life. GOD bless you Mr. Green!

This is sarcasm, I hope.
Greenlander
29-11-2005, 16:48
Bwahahaha! As we'd say, det kom från rätt käft! ("That came from the right pair of jaws.") I guess you of all people Greenlander should know what it's like to be an extremist zealot - that you can even try to call someone else that with a straight face is quite remarkable indeed, especially someone who is so "extreme," he professed to be voting for the Social Democrats in the next election. Your comment is hilarious and ironic on so many levels.


:p

That's good. *giggle*