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2 days ago a female friend told me that she always wanted write a programme that does this and that (I do not really remember what it was but I guess that is not really important here...)
I was really flabbergasted because I though something like "programming?, I did not yet encounter any female that could programme...
So the first professional female programmer who enters this thread gets a cookie;).

2 days ago a female friend told me that she always wanted write a programme that does this and that (I do not really remember what it was but I guess that is not really important here...)
I was really flabbergasted because I though something like "programming?, I did not yet encounter any female that could programme...
So the first professional female programmer who enters this thread gets a cookie;).

I don't know if I quite count. I'm not currently employed as a programmer. But I have been paid in the past to program, and I've been paid to grade programs other people wrote (which was entertaining). And I've been paid to work on a small all-level help desk. And currently I'm getting paid to write help files and make suggestions to improve and interpret someone else's program into english for other people to understand.

No offense or anything, but wherever you're from must be seriously warped to have no mathematically/computer minded women. Or at least not to recognise them and let them do things like program computers. Granted, MOST women don't even want to write programs, much less can they actually do it. But I know a good number who not only can do it, but they are very good at it.

As long as the language is
C
C++
Java
VB
C#
ASP
PHP

or perl

I would be able to right a medocre program
Other then that I could learn fast :)

Edit: oh and I am male

I was really flabbergasted because I though something like "programming?, I did not yet encounter any female that could programme...
When I did my Computer Science degree at Cambridge, about 10% of the students were female. Many of those were from Eastern Europe, the Middle East, or China, though - few were from Western Europe or America.

As long as the language is
C
C++
Java
VB
C#
ASP
PHP

or perl

I would be able to right a medocre program

Bah! Only eight languages? And they're all imperative - any true programmer will know languages from at least two paradigms (probably imperative and functional).

I don't know if I quite count. I'm not currently employed as a programmer. But I have been paid in the past to program, and I've been paid to grade programs other people wrote (which was entertaining). And I've been paid to work on a small all-level help desk. And currently I'm getting paid to write help files and make suggestions to improve and interpret someone else's program into english for other people to understand.

*hands cookie to Qwystyia*

No offense or anything, but wherever you're from must be seriously warped to have no mathematically/computer minded women.

I'm a atudent of physics and I do know quite so mathematically interested women, but i'm also a student of IT (minor field of study) and I guess there among about 50 students there are maybe 3 or 4 women...
I'm from Germany by the way...

Or at least not to recognise them and let them do things like program computers. Granted, MOST women don't even want to write programs, much less can they actually do it. But I know a good number who not only can do it, but they are very good at it.
Yeah, that is just my point... I know nearly no women who want program... well I know 3 who just started to study IT together with me but they all exited... not because they were not capable of programming ect., but I guess just because they felt inferior to the many men who also had programmed before a lot in their free time...

Bah! Only eight languages? And they're all imperative - any true programmer will know languages from at least two paradigms (probably imperative and functional).
Good thing I am not a programmer :) network guy ;) (and information security)

On an interesting note, I am doing Law with French, and women absolutely dominate both subjects, languages and law. Likewise, in courses such as Philosophy, women are both the majority and the most powerful debaters. With regard to medical subjects, again women are the majority. Women simply seem to have little attraction to technical or mathematical subjects rather than an inability to follow them. I myself detest Computer Science and most scientific subjects, preferring more creative writing, languages and philosophy, and I am male. In some societies, such as Eastern European and Asian ones women are more likely to take an interest in IT, thus this may be attributable for the high number of women coming from these countries.

I read somewhere that in the early days of computing, all programmers where women. And that somewhere along the line there was a sort of reverse emancipation.

Emancipation is an odd word to use for what appears to be a matter of trends rather than prejudices.

I work for IBM. I am a female and am a technical writer. This means I know how to code basic programs (more complex than Hello World - in a C class a few years ago I wrote a simple "Battleship" game) and read more complex code so that I can write about it. In my lab there are 30 programmers and 3 of them are female. In all of IBM, there are hundreds if not thousands of female programmers. Some of them have been coding since the days of computer punchcards.

I can barely believe that anyone has started a thread implying that women don't know anything about programming languages and writing code. How old are you, anyway?

Although I do wonder why this thread was created, I don't think he was implying that women lack the skill to be programmers, merely that few tend to follow the path. At least this is what I hope he meant. Quite an impressive resume you have by the way ;)

could someone with good visual basic knowledge give me an outline of which functions to use when writing a program that uses a for next loop and then displays all the information inputted in order of highest value . please :fluffle:

I can barely believe that anyone has started a thread implying that women don't know anything about programming languages and writing code.But it is less common for a woman to be a programmer than a man. Which is certainly not to say there aren't women that can program a lot better than me. But I'd find it surprising to meet one.
(Fine, admittedly, I'd find it surprising if they'd want to meet me, but that's besides the point :rolleyes:)

2 days ago a female friend told me that she always wanted write a programme that does this and that (I do not really remember what it was but I guess that is not really important here...)
I was really flabbergasted because I though something like "programming?, I did not yet encounter any female that could programme...
So the first professional female programmer who enters this thread gets a cookie;).

Approximately 60% of the students doing information sciences on my uni are female. Chemistry, biology and maths also have a reasonable percentage and all require programming expertise. Physics is the only odd one out with only 20% :(

I know female programmers. My friend's fiance is a good example. She is an Electrical Engineer currenly working on programs that scramble frequencies so that they resemble white noise (this is useful to the military in cases where they dont just want the enemy not to know what they are saying, but they also dont want them to know anything is being transmitted at all). I also know females who work on voip technology, information security, engineering (which often includes programming) and other such areas. If you wanna meet technically minded females, attend a 2600 meeting http://www.2600.com/meetings/mtg.html

Meh its a brain thing.Men are generally better at maths and the sciences and women are generally better at english(and most likely other things that me female english teacher hasnt mentioned to us)

I can barely believe that anyone has started a thread implying that women don't know anything about programming languages and writing code. How old are you, anyway?
Did I?

19

Meh its a brain thing.Men are generally better at maths and the sciences and women are generally better at english(and most likely other things that me female english teacher hasnt mentioned to us)
Hardly. Its a matter of establishment and societal expectations. Women are generally given little encouragement to go into the sciences (save medicine and psychology), and men rarely go into languages, art and social science subjects.

Although I do wonder why this thread was created, I don't think he was implying that women lack the skill to be programmers, merely that few tend to follow the path. At least this is what I hope he meant. Quite an impressive resume you have by the way ;)

You're probably right. Forgive me - when I posted I was still steamed after reading the posts in another thread, and I'm sure that coloured my interpretation of the opening post.

I'm female and I plan to learn (I'm only 15 at the moment). I was considering applying for a course at A-Level that involved programming but I couldn't fit it in so I'll learn it in my free time.

I'm female and I plan to learn (I'm only 15 at the moment). I was considering applying for a course at A-Level that involved programming but I couldn't fit it in so I'll learn it in my free time.
Do so... women in men's domains (can one say that in english?) rock...

Hardly. Its a matter of establishment and societal expectations. Women are generally given little encouragement to go into the sciences (save medicine and psychology), and men rarely go into languages, art and social science subjects.


Your establishment and society both suck hairy cock.

My maths and sciences classes are mostly female,(6 in maths,4 in biology,and 6 in chemistry,all out of about 20 or so,not sure of the exact figure).The lads in those classes are generally better than the girls,but that's not all that important.

:rolleyes: Excuse me? I was explaining a social trend, not stating my own view of how society should be.

I was in fact, in Mathematics in a small american college. The great majority of my graduating math class was female... I think we had about 15 to 20 females and oh, three or four males in the math major. The information technology was a little closer to even, as well as substantially bigger, but still had a majority of females. I think this was because most of the males went into the engineering majors, and they were almost exclusively male. That is to say, I think in my four years there, there were only two women engineering majors who graduated. Physics was also male dominated, but still closer to even than not.

Do so... women in men's domains (can one say that in english?) rock...

Yes, indeed one can say that in english. That was even fairly correct, and definitely said what you wanted to say. Good job.

Oh, and thanks for the cookie. :D

Interesting. At my high school, there is a grand total of ONE semi-tech savvy female. The rest seem to think that it's too geeky to be able to use technology, let alone a PC. It makes me so sad...

(I am a guy, BTW)

Interesting. At my high school, there is a grand total of ONE semi-tech savvy female. The rest seem to think that it's too geeky to be able to use technology, let alone a PC. It makes me so sad...

(I am a guy, BTW)
My school has two computer classes: drafting (technical drawings) and Info Tech (basic computer repair, basic programming, and basic graphics/photoshopping).
In drafting there are a total of 0 girls in Drafting (of about 60 ppl) and about 15 (of about 120) in Info Tech.

They are both very easy, well instructed, and worth many credits, but if you ask a girl why she didn't take it she will say "It is just too nerdy for me."

What is a "hellow world program"?

I used to kinda know C. I've pretty much forgotten it now though.

edit: also, I'm not ignorant of computers because I think it's geeky... I'm majoring in physics, you don't get much geekier than that. However, computers hate me.

Yeah, as I said social preconceptions come into play here, and one such preconception is that tech stuff is geeky, at least for girls. I am a guy and I am not that into it :rolleyes:

What is a "hellow world program"?

I used to kinda know C. I've pretty much forgotten it now though.
Hello world is usualy the first program that any person learns in in a language

it is a simple output usualy to screen

For example in c++

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
int main()
{
cout <<"Hello World";

return 0;
}

(from memory sheesh been a long time)

Basic output
The fraze "hello world" is used so often by so many people it became a "standard" in reffering to the first basic type of program

What is a "hellow world program"?

I used to kinda know C. I've pretty much forgotten it now though.

edit: also, I'm not ignorant of computers because I think it's geeky... I'm majoring in physics, you don't get much geekier than that. However, computers hate me.

console.writeline("Hello World!")

or

cout >> "Hello World!";

That's basically what it is. Just make a program that writes "Hello World" to the screen.

Mmmm... Physics...
I like theoretical physics myself. Quantum physics r0xx0rs my b0xx0rs!

console.writeline("Hello World!")

or

cout >> "Hello World!";

That's basically what it is. Just make a program that writes "Hello World" to the screen.

Mmmm... Physics...
I like theoretical physics myself. Quantum physics r0xx0rs my b0xx0rs!
Beat you to it :)

And if you are doing c++ your >>'s should be <<
if I remember right >> is used for the cin statement
(or I could be off my rocker!)

Mmmm... Physics...
I like theoretical physics myself. Quantum physics r0xx0rs my b0xx0rs!
I'm more of an astro person.

Though I'm not enough of a math person to do it on a graduate level, I'm pretty impressed I've made it this far.

I definitely think there is a 'stereotype' that women can't program, and don't like computers, and don't like video games, and are tech unsavvy... etc.

However, I don't know if that 'stereotype' is adapting to current trends... I don't even know if that stereotype EVER had any literal support.

I know how to turn my computer on, and that's pretty much it. The 'tech' one in the house is my wife... who is also the one who plays the 'war games', and has a love-affair with giant robot 'mech' video games...

Indeed. The stereotype is breaking, but it will be some time till we see substantially more women interested in technology.

The poll was a little strange. I was going to vote that I can write "mediocore" (mediocre?) programs, but then I saw in any programming language and I thought for a moment that it meant in every programming language. I can write somewhat advanced programs in Java, C, and QuickBasic (well, certainly more advanced than "Hello World" at any rate) - but no other languages, so I thought the "Hello World" option would kind of balance it out. Oh well.

I'm fully rated for Etch-A-Sketch.

As far as the gender thing goes I do believe that the studies show that women are, as a gender, less apt in the maths and sciences. It was making such a statement that got one University Dean in trouble. However, this doesn't mean that any given female is less capable in maths, sciences or computers or anything like that. It the same as pointing out that women are better at multi-tasking than men are. Sure there are some men better than some women, but when you are looing at the gender as a whole men do some things better and women do other things better. You just never assume which men and women fall into the majority or minority of that ability.

BTW the #1 syndicated computer talk show on the radio? Kim Komando! She rocks!

I don't think that computers and the internet are the male-dominated realm that they used to be. Programming may still have a bit of a male bias, but networking , definitely moving towards the female realm. I think it was as soon as women figured out that they could communicate with even more people on the computer than they could over the phone was when women's involvement in the technology took off.

Beat you to it :)

And if you are doing c++ your >>'s should be <<
if I remember right >> is used for the cin statement
(or I could be off my rocker!)

You're off yer rocker! I think...

Edit: Nope, you're right.

I definitely think there is a 'stereotype' that women can't program, and don't like computers, and don't like video games, and are tech unsavvy... etc.

However, I don't know if that 'stereotype' is adapting to current trends... I don't even know if that stereotype EVER had any literal support.

I know how to turn my computer on, and that's pretty much it. The 'tech' one in the house is my wife... who is also the one who plays the 'war games', and has a love-affair with giant robot 'mech' video games...

You are so lucky. People tend to stay away from me, in case the geekiness rubs off on them. :(

I don't think that computers and the internet are the male-dominated realm that they used to be. Programming may still have a bit of a male bias, but networking , definitely moving towards the female realm. I think it was as soon as women figured out that they could communicate with even more people on the computer than they could over the phone was when women's involvement in the technology took off.
When i got my BS two years ago there was 1 female in our 60 person major , Computer networking BS

Hardly. Its a matter of establishment and societal expectations. Women are generally given little encouragement to go into the sciences (save medicine and psychology), and men rarely go into languages, art and social science subjects.

People in physics have been trying to encourage more women into the subject for ages but they just don't seem to like us very much.:(

I have met quite a few women who do I.T. and others that can program (like my girlfriend). But the number of men I have met who can program is a lot higher, probably due to me going to one of the few male dominated universities in the UK (70% male when more women go to uni as a whole). That may be due to it being science and engineering subjects mainly which women as a whole don't seem too interested in.

damn, can i ever write a post with out without a ramble.

You are so lucky. People tend to stay away from me, in case the geekiness rubs off on them. :(

Well, maybe I am the evidence that geeky is not a bad thing? Half a decade ago I was a role-player, computer-gamer, with a laptop, palmtop, playstation, CD changer... all the usual geek toys...

Half a decade later I'm married to a beauty queen cheerleader who listens to industrial music and plays Mech wargames...

Well, maybe I am the evidence that geeky is not a bad thing? Half a decade ago I was a role-player, computer-gamer, with a laptop, palmtop, playstation, CD changer... all the usual geek toys...

Half a decade later I'm married to a beauty queen cheerleader who listens to industrial music and plays Mech wargames...

*bows before the master*

*bows before the master*

Ha ha!

Nice to see you, my friend... Where have you been keeping busy?

Well, maybe I am the evidence that geeky is not a bad thing? Half a decade ago I was a role-player, computer-gamer, with a laptop, palmtop, playstation, CD changer... all the usual geek toys...

Half a decade later I'm married to a beauty queen cheerleader who listens to industrial music and plays Mech wargames...

Got me beat...

Well, maybe I am the evidence that geeky is not a bad thing? Half a decade ago I was a role-player, computer-gamer, with a laptop, palmtop, playstation, CD changer... all the usual geek toys...

Half a decade later I'm married to a beauty queen cheerleader who listens to industrial music and plays Mech wargames...

I am a role-player, computer-gamer, firearms enthusiast, with a laptop, palm, reloading equipment, thousands of rounds of ammunition...

AND...

I'm married to a former gymnast who is 11 years younger than I am, who listens to Oakenfold while we have sex.

i am going to college in Ireland and Studying Computer Games design there are 2 girls in my class of about 20 they both can programe , but still thats a small number i guess, i have lots of friends studying engneering and sciene and computers in college , they all tell me there are either no women or a handfull in class's as big as 80 people , also when i was studying for my leaving cert (hight school exam to all the yanks ) i did both phyics and engneering and there was no girls in my class. So while there are women around who can programe and so on i dont seem to be seeming that many who are interested in it or computers and sciene

There really aren't a lot of women in the programming world. Normally the companies I've worked have had at most one or two others. Right now, I'm the only one at mine (and I'm the VP :) ). It's really a male-dominated culture, that can sometimes hard for a woman to break in to.

And just an interviewing tip - do not assume that the woman who comes to talk to you near the end of your interview is with Human Resources (unless you're told that). It doesn't make a good impression :-P

I actually did write a program in BASIC back in college. That ought to tell you about how old I am. It was for an Intro to Computers course.

I actually did write a program in BASIC back in college. That ought to tell you about how old I am. It was for an Intro to Computers course.
To be fair VB and Basic are still standards depending on the application

I am a role-player, computer-gamer, firearms enthusiast, with a laptop, palm, reloading equipment, thousands of rounds of ammunition...

AND...

I'm married to a former gymnast who is 11 years younger than I am, who listens to Oakenfold while we have sex.

Mines only 6 years younger than me.. :) ANd she prefers Type O Negative for the 'romance'. :D

(I would still be the role-player, etc... if I had the time... and didn't live in the arse-end of nowhere). :)

Ha ha!

Nice to see you, my friend... Where have you been keeping busy?

I was pretty much off the grid. I was in AZ visiting a friend and doing some work. My friend *gasp* does not have internet service so I had to go to the local Arby's to get signed on. And right now I thinking of ways to torment a guy in my fantasy football pool that's being a sore loser. Most recently I posted a Chris Isaac song to tease him.

I was pretty much off the grid. I was in AZ visiting a friend and doing some work. My friend *gasp* does not have internet service so I had to go to the local Arby's to get signed on. And right now I thinking of ways to torment a guy in my fantasy football pool that's being a sore loser. Most recently I posted a Chris Isaac song to tease him.

Wicked Game, yes? :D

What kind of barbarism is this 'no internet service' of which you speak? I hear the words... but I don't understand them, in that order.... :)

Well, it's good to have you back among us... I'd wondered how you were being so restrained... :D

Wicked Game, yes? :D

Somebody's crying, actually. He made a last minute switch that cost him the game by six points. I wasn't around so I let my brother-in-law set up my team and I got 31 points less than the team I originally had in and still put up the W. I was just going to quietly celebrate my victory, but he started complaining and that's practically begging me to smacktalk. Unfortunately, it's a skill I honed to a fine point when I was the smallest kid in my class all the way up until 14.

What kind of barbarism is this 'no internet service' of which you speak? I hear the words... but I don't understand them, in that order.... :)

Well, it's good to have you back among us... I'd wondered how you were being so restrained... :D
Yes. I was so frustrated that I was tempted to buy her internet service. It also makes it so I have to talk to her... ON THE PHONE... when we could be chatting on IM. Ridiculous. :p

I am a role-player, computer-gamer, firearms enthusiast, with a laptop, palm, reloading equipment, thousands of rounds of ammunition...

Wow, me too... except that I don't have the money for any ammo, or such things as laptops, gadgets etc. I wish I had a way to make money, but the only jobs available to me while I'm in high school are fast-food jobs and lawn mowing...

I'll just have to wait.

Wow, me too... except that I don't have the money for any ammo, or such things as laptops, gadgets etc. I wish I had a way to make money, but the only jobs available to me while I'm in high school are fast-food jobs and lawn mowing...

I'll just have to wait.

Hit the local country club. Party busboys and caddies make serious bank. I used to make $8-$12/hr as a busboy back in my high school days.

Hit the local country club. Party busboys and caddies make serious bank. I used to make $8-$12/hr as a busboy back in my high school days.

If you have the guts and determination... and if you can find someone who's willing to push a bit of work your way, you can do pretty good on building sites, too.... I know I did...

Somebody's crying, actually.


Ah. Wicked Game would have worked too, though... :)

He made a last minute switch that cost him the game by six points. I wasn't around so I let my brother-in-law set up my team and I got 31 points less than the team I originally had in and still put up the W. I was just going to quietly celebrate my victory, but he started complaining and that's practically begging me to smacktalk. Unfortunately, it's a skill I honed to a fine point when I was the smallest kid in my class all the way up until 14.


I learned the OTHER way... I was the tall kid, who had to prove himself literally every day...


Yes. I was so frustrated that I was tempted to buy her internet service. It also makes it so I have to talk to her... ON THE PHONE... when we could be chatting on IM. Ridiculous. :p

The phone? That's so... last century... :)

If you have the guts and determination... and if you can find someone who's willing to push a bit of work your way, you can do pretty good on building sites, too.... I know I did...

Building websites? Hmmm... First I'd need some demand; the only people I know who need sites are non profit groups, and they won't pay me.

I'm (studentic) student counsellor at my University and use to organize some events for the freshmen each year. They are mostly male, but many drop out later, because they did not realize before, that University here means scientifical approach and nearly no practical towards computer science. If you want to learn how to program in a specific language, go to the university of applied sciences ...

So. Statistics. My personal statistic is, that "our" women finish there study rather then the men do. They knew before what awaited them: theoretical cs and maths and did not just believe in a study full of gaming and tinkering with programs.
My educated guess is, that women are repelled by the "gaming and tinkering"-image of the computer sciences. If you look at our mathematical studies, the count of women is much higher. The image of my studies is plain wrong.

Back to the topic: my GF went to the university of applied sciences and studied computer science. At the moment she is employed in a little business and I'm still stumbling towards diploma :)

2 days ago a female friend told me that she always wanted write a programme that does this and that (I do not really remember what it was but I guess that is not really important here...)
I was really flabbergasted because I though something like "programming?, I did not yet encounter any female that could programme...
So the first professional female programmer who enters this thread gets a cookie;).
Not a professional, but I took programming as part of Electronics Engineering in 1978-1980 at a technical institute. I was the first female to graduate in that programme.

I'm wondering why you didn't include two more options on the poll, for "I am a professional programmer" and the two genders - since I'm sure there are some out there (not me, however).

It's been a while since I actually did any programming per se, but while at Uni I took computer courses that had me programming in COBOL and BASIC (yes, I told you it was a while...).

I'm also one of those 'geek girls'. I roleplay (tabletop and computer), play wargames (tabletop and computer), and so forth.

Rather than programming, though, my main professional (ie did it as part of my paid job) computer experience was in the realm of hardware troubleshooting, operating systems, and admin for the Novell network (in a building with 50+ employees and about as many computers networked to the beast). Essentially, I was that branch's IT department.

So we women aren't all useless when it comes to the technical stuff. :)

Mines only 6 years younger than me.. :) ANd she prefers Type O Negative for the 'romance'. :D

(I would still be the role-player, etc... if I had the time... and didn't live in the arse-end of nowhere). :)
I want her lol (I love type O among other bands)

At my friends Engineering classes, he finds about 85% of the class is male, and that the males seem to be doing better then the females. I also find in my own experience tho, that a lot of girls dont like computers/no interest in them, but at the same time, the few I know who do like them, are all very competent, like to a level that they should be professionals (and could be...just dont work in the computer sector, but seem to do it for a hobby)

I'v no idea why more girls dont like technical subjects, they are intresting, they are fun, and they make the world work! Its a shame a big portion of 52% of the population wont look at them...if we had more females into tech, I am sure we could advance tech faster. *pokes society for bringing girls up to not like tech!*

I want a nerdy into computers and tech and machines GF!!! We could have sex with discovry channel on in the background and a book on particle phyics on the desk with linux running on the PC and a picture of tux on the wall. and BSD running on a differnt PC and windows XP on the third PC to support gaming. Cause running battlefield 2 though a PC emulator on linux would be too laggy.

if only...


I need to go to bed now.

I like programming, to a certain extent. I've always done a little here and there...
From doing simple stuff on my old C64 when I was a kid, to learning Basic, and HTML in early highschool...
Now I dabble in what I'm told is C style programming with my Neverwinter Nights server.
Programming is a small, but fun part of life. ;)

Edit: I almost forgot I "learned" (and have forgotten) ForTran and binary styles of programming back in my engineering days at university... ForTran is the devil. Binary and Hex were more interesting, but I've forgotten their uses since I never used them again afterwards.

Last edit, I swear:
One of my favourite programming jokes...
"There are only 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't."

I want her lol (I love type O among other bands)

I'll let her know ;)

Programming is my job as well as adminstering a Windows network. :)

Programming is my job as well as adminstering a Windows network. :)
I never did ask.
How many node network is it?

I never did ask.
How many node network is it?

Around 50 including a wireless router. Maybe higher including industrial networking devices.

Im currently studying games prgramming in England, and out of the approximately 300 student attendees, two are female. It sucks. 8)

Around 50 including a wireless router. Maybe higher including industrial networking devices.
Cool ... looking today we are at about 2750 or so
... if you want to count wireless accesspoints that goes up to 2900
And switches 3100 or so

Cool ... looking today we are at about 2750 or so
... if you want to count wireless accesspoints that goes up to 2900
And switches 3100 or so

Mine is really small and enough for two people. I don't do the real network admin (like all the big network changes), but keep the thing running. Our network is still a bit of mess ... our real network admin is on the job.

However I do write batch files, any .NET scripts and manage the SQL 2K Servers (which was my primary job).

Mine is really small and enough for two people. I don't do the real network admin (like all the big network changes), but keep the thing running. Our network is still a bit of mess ... our real network admin is on the job.

However I do write batch files, any .NET scripts and manage the SQL 2K Servers (which was my primary job).
Cool I am on the hardware and client support side
(BTW that 3100 is just for the residence halls my primary position ... entire campus has something like 6k active nodes ... roughly)

And while the network hardware and design is cutting edge (feels proud) We are dealing like an isp with students machines, which to an extent we dont have controll over
It makes things a lot more intresting then just a bunch of workstations which we can activly work to secure
We have to deal with things how they come

I work with Java (J2EE), C#, Delphi and SQL. Lesser practice with VB/HTML and I have a doodle ;-)

I work with Java (J2EE), C#, Delphi and SQL.
I think C# is one of the worst languages I've ever used. It's inheritance system is a mess and a severe secutiry risk:

http://www.safalra.com/programming/csharp/sabotage/

I hate c# and J# somthing about microsoft making everytjhing it touches turn to crap...give me good ol c and c++ anyday