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The Politics of Grammar

The South Islands
28-11-2005, 17:03
This is the first thread in a four part series that I will be doing on the politics of grammar. We shall first start off with the Consonant Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie Vowels. The Vowels are, naturally, the ruling class.

How long before the Proletariat Revolution throws off the shackels of Vowelage, and forms a new Alphabet, where all letters are equal?
Safalra
28-11-2005, 17:09
This is the first thread in a four part series that I will be doing on the politics of grammar. We shall first start off with the Consonant Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie Vowels. The Vowels are, naturally, the ruling class.
I don't follow your metaphor here. To me it appears consonants have always been in control. If anything it's the vowels that are oppressed - we have just five letters to represent about twenty vowel sounds.
The South Islands
28-11-2005, 17:10
I don't follow your metaphor here. To me it appears consonants have always been in control. If anything it's the vowels that are oppressed - we have just five letters to represent about twenty vowel sounds.

But the vowels hold all the power. What are the most common letters?

THE VOWELS.

Especially E. E makes the world go round. E has all the power.

E must be stopped.
Bramia
28-11-2005, 17:14
the O and U makes the world go round...
Smunkeeville
28-11-2005, 17:19
you know I never did like "Y" he seems to be playing both sides of the fence, he can't decide if he is a vowel or not. something about him is just fishy
Solarea
28-11-2005, 17:19
But the vowels hold all the power. What are the most common letters?

THE VOWELS.

Especially E. E makes the world go round. E has all the power.

E must be stopped.

There was that guy who wrote a whole book without using the letter e even once... I can't remember who he was, nor the book's name. Any help would be appreciated.

And yes, it was an English book.
Amestria
28-11-2005, 17:21
I have my own grammer/word nitpick...

The word C%$# is pronounced like it starts with a K instead of a C, whats up with that?! If you pronounce it like it has a K you should spell it like it has a K!
Assrape Mountain
28-11-2005, 17:21
Such a thing could never happen. Never. Not as long as the Bush Administration is in power.
Balipo
28-11-2005, 17:21
you know I never did like "Y" he seems to be playing both sides of the fence, he can't decide if he is a vowel or not. something about him is just fishy

Y is a lobbyist.
The South Islands
28-11-2005, 17:21
you know I never did like "Y" he seems to be playing both sides of the fence, he can't decide if he is a vowel or not. something about him is just fishy

When the Revolution comes, it must decide.
Eichen
28-11-2005, 17:22
There was that guy who wrote a whole book without using the letter e even once... I can't remember who he was, nor the book's name. Any help would be appreciated.

And yes, it was an English book.
Robert Anton Wilson. He gave the technique a name, and used it in several books.
Amestria
28-11-2005, 17:24
But the vowels hold all the power. What are the most common letters?

THE VOWELS.

Especially E. E makes the world go round. E has all the power.

E must be stopped.

"E, I don't need some stupid E! This is by Homer, doh! I mean Bill Simpson..."
-Homer Simpson wrighting an article for his local newspaper on a typewriter which has a broken E key...
Safalra
28-11-2005, 17:32
There was that guy who wrote a whole book without using the letter e even once... I can't remember who he was, nor the book's name. Any help would be appreciated.

And yes, it was an English book.
Actually it was an English translation of a French book, La Disparition (or something like that, I'm not good with French). The English title was 'A Void', which would be a good pun if it wasn't for the fact that it was letter E that was missing from both books.
Solarea
28-11-2005, 17:45
Actually it was an English translation of a French book, La Disparition (or something like that, I'm not good with French). The English title was 'A Void', which would be a good pun if it wasn't for the fact that it was letter E that was missing from both books.

Thanks.
Eichen
28-11-2005, 17:51
Well, apparently there's more than one author who did this. Robert Anton Wilson called his technique E-Prime, btw. He did whole books in tha language though, not just a poem or two.
[NS]Piekrom
28-11-2005, 17:58
You guys shuld learn coptic it has plenty of different vowles and constanents plus less gramer rules than english. you do not have all the stupid punctuation that many other languages have. Plus the letters never change their sounds us egyptians were very logical before the arab invasion. Ok so it is a dead language and simply the continued progression of the hiroglyphics using just letters but it still works and we still use it for church services.
Intangelon
28-11-2005, 18:02
But the vowels hold all the power. What are the most common letters?

THE VOWELS.

Especially E. E makes the world go round. E has all the power.

E must be stopped.

The Y has already been mentioned, but what about other so-called consonants that are merely a pair of vowels masquerading as such? Take W, for instance. It's sound is actually a Latin U (ooh) that gets schwa-ed out. Go ahead, say the "wuh" sound of a W by itself. You'll be hearing "ooh-uh". Dammit, this kind of covert vowel co-option of consonant staus MUST BE ERADICATED! Hell, even the FRENCH figured that one out. When THEY say "yes", they don't spell it "wee", but "oui". They've outed their vowels and they're utterly dependent upon their consonants for vowel sounds. I say we adopt some truncated version of this and make it our own before more consonants succumb to this insidious usurpation! And what about that aspirated H? See! It's already spreading!!!
The blessed Chris
28-11-2005, 18:02
This is the first thread in a four part series that I will be doing on the politics of grammar. We shall first start off with the Consonant Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie Vowels. The Vowels are, naturally, the ruling class.

How long before the Proletariat Revolution throws off the shackels of Vowelage, and forms a new Alphabet, where all letters are equal?

Shh, Mcarthy is listening....
Safalra
28-11-2005, 18:13
Well, apparently there's more than one author who did this. Robert Anton Wilson called his technique E-Prime, btw. He did whole books in tha language though, not just a poem or two.
Erm... last time I checked E-Prime was a foolish idea to 'improve' English by removing the verb 'to be'.
Safalra
28-11-2005, 18:17
Piekrom']You guys shuld learn coptic it has plenty of different vowles and constanents plus less gramer rules than english. you do not have all the stupid punctuation that many other languages have. Plus the letters never change their sounds us egyptians were very logical before the arab invasion. Ok so it is a dead language and simply the continued progression of the hiroglyphics using just letters but it still works and we still use it for church services.
Were the various grammar and spelling errors in your post (I count at least 14) intended as deliberate irony, indicating the complexity of English?
Safalra
28-11-2005, 18:25
But the vowels hold all the power. What are the most common letters?

THE VOWELS.
My comments still stand - our 20 vowels sound are crowded into these five vowel ghettos, while the consonants are free to roam out over the 21 consonant suburbs. Everyone has it the wrong way round - it is the vowels that are oppressed.
Eichen
28-11-2005, 18:30
Erm... last time I checked E-Prime was a foolish idea to 'improve' English by removing the verb 'to be'.
Damn, you're right. Thanks. It's been a long, long time since I've done acid or read RAW.
Removing "E" is a lot more interesting than "to be", isn't it?