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Recently I heard on the radio about a christian archaeology team that has went searching for Noah's Ark. However, they are not looking at the common, and in fact wrong, location of Mt. Ararat, Turkey. Instead they are looking in the Mountains of Ararat(as the Bible states) in Iran. The leader of this team said that recently high upon on of the taller mountains his team found a giant wooden pillar. Now My question is if they find a giant ship up there, then is this proof for noah's ark. To go along with that, if it is Noah's Ark, then can one assume the Bible then is true? Discuss

ps.If i can find a link to this i will post it...

If i find a piece of horse hair in Rome, I can claim its a piece of one of the horses of Apollo's Chariot, does that make Roman Mythology real?

If i find the bone of a ram in Peru, I can claim its a bone of Quetzcoatl, does that make the Mahabarata or the Ramayana true?

etc.......etc........etc........

theres no way to proove its from Noah, or that Noahs ark ever existed, so your not gonna get some big "BIBLE IS REAL!!!" movement from this search

so your answer is a big NO

No ... for the same reson finding verifiable data that someone named jesus existed proves that he turned water into wine or roze from the dead.

Just because story has a kernal of truth in it (as many do) does not mean the entire myth was true

If i find a Mosse turd in Fiordland does that mean there are Moose in Fiordland?

The Answer is YES.

If i find a Mosse turd in Fiordland does that mean there are Moose in Fiordland?

The Answer is YES.

my my, making statements that have no relevance here...no wonder your a spamgirl...

75% of all flood stories have some sort of wooden vessel and some sort of mountains.

I actually believe the story of Noah's Ark (flinches, ducks, and covers her head) but no, even finding a huge boat matching the description wouldn't prove it! It'd just prove there was some big boat up in the mountains.

Many/most myths have some basis in reality, and most of the ancient cultures had a flood story. (Just as most of them had a creation story of some sort.) How would a boat prove Noah instead of some other flood story?

i see these expeditions talked about on the history channel or pbs regularly.

i never understand why a platform on mt ararat means it HAS to be the ark. why cant it have been a bit of a temple built later to mark the supposed spot of the ark?

anyway. it would need to be verified as being a part of a boat, the correct age, and have some way of showing that it FLOATED to its spot on that mountain.

it wouldnt be complete proof but it sure would make you think eh?

Wood just means that you've found wood. For one, even if the world WAS just 6,000+ years old like some claim, any wood from that time would have long since rotted away.

Then we have the problem of the Ark's demensions (last I heard, to hold two of every kind would mean a boat that would easily dwarf the Titanic, and a wooden boat would colaspe in on itself).

And where the hell did all the water come from, and go to.

So on and so forth.

Wood means nothing unless dated and shown to be from the actual Ark.

Recently I heard on the radio about a christian archaeology team that has went searching for Noah's Ark.

Christian archaeology team in Iran? If they come back at all that'd be a good sign of a miracle.

Christian archaeology team in Iran? If they come back at all that'd be a good sign of a miracle.

:D haha

Wood just means that you've found wood. For one, even if the world WAS just 6,000+ years old like some claim, any wood from that time would have long since rotted away.

Then we have the problem of the Ark's demensions (last I heard, to hold two of every kind would mean a boat that would easily dwarf the Titanic, and a wooden boat would colaspe in on itself).

And where the hell did all the water come from, and go to.

So on and so forth.

Wood means nothing unless dated and shown to be from the actual Ark.
considering that the tops of the mountians are covered in snow and ice, the wood, if it is actualy there is most likely in good condition, seeing as it is hard for things to decompose when they are frozen solid

The tale of Noah's Ark is a myth derived from earlier Mesopotamian folklore.
There's also no record of a world wide flood in chinese or egyptian history during this period.

Recently I heard on the radio about a christian archaeology team that has went searching for Noah's Ark. However, they are not looking at the common, and in fact wrong, location of Mt. Ararat, Turkey. Instead they are looking in the Mountains of Ararat(as the Bible states) in Iran. The leader of this team said that recently high upon on of the taller mountains his team found a giant wooden pillar. Now My question is if they find a giant ship up there, then is this proof for noah's ark. To go along with that, if it is Noah's Ark, then can one assume the Bible then is true? Discuss

ps.If i can find a link to this i will post it...

Writing as both a professional archaeologist and an [Eastern] Orthodox Christian, I can say with some confidence that their chances of finding Noah's Ark anywhere are about the same as my growing a second head by the time I wake up tomorrow morning.

There is no archaeological or geological evidence to support the Biblical story of the deluge, which is best approached allegorically rather than literally.

What ever happened to the good old days when Creationists just called science evil and burned anyone who disagreed at the stake. They certainly looked less stupid then...

Eh.. if they find a massive ship on a mountaintop.. yeah, it might raise some questions.. Questions we can ask once they find it. I won't be holding my breath on that one, though..

considering that the tops of the mountians are covered in snow and ice, the wood, if it is actualy there is most likely in good condition, seeing as it is hard for things to decompose when they are frozen solid
If it were actually glaciated, as you are suggesting, it would have long been torn apart by glacial movement. Those things do move you know.

*cough* http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

If i find the bone of a ram in Peru, I can claim its a bone of Quetzcoatl, does that make the Mahabarata or the Ramayana true?

What in Vishnu's infinite wisdom does Quetzacoatl have to do with the Mahabharata and the Ramayana?

What in Vishnu's infinite wisdom does Quetzacoatl have to do with the Mahabharata and the Ramayana?

Mahabharata is Hindi for "feathered serpent," of course.. Aliens.

What in Vishnu's infinite wisdom does Quetzacoatl have to do with the Mahabharata and the Ramayana?
They shared a room while in college. Yes, there's a college for gods, you can't just appear in front of ignorant peasants like that, you know.

Mahabharata is Hindi for "feathered serpent," of course.. Aliens.

You lie. You liar.

What ever happened to the good old days when Creationists just called science evil and burned anyone who disagreed at the stake. They certainly looked less stupid then...
The price of gasoline went up, and then there was the whole thing divide over whether heathens should be well-done or rare or if the degree to which they were cooked should depend upon the sinning.
And then the EPA came along with all these regulations about disposing of the waste afterward and burnings were only allowed after 4 PM. Its a shame, I tells ya, when politics and beuracracy interfere in a mob that just wants to enjoy some of the old ultraviolence.

Now My question is if they find a giant ship up there, then is this proof for noah's ark. To go along with that, if it is Noah's Ark, then can one assume the Bible then is true? Discuss
Absolutely not. There are too many physical impossibilities in the story itself for it ever to be true, therefore there would have to be another explanation.

The most likely is that some jokers had built the ship on the mountain in the first place in order to create false evidence for the Bible, just as someone forged the James Ossary recently, the "Letters of Pontius Pilate" were forged many centuries ago, and medieval Europe was awash with fake relics. A bit of analysis on the ship would reveal the truth.

Absolutely not. There are too many physical impossibilities in the story itself for it ever to be true, therefore there would have to be another explanation.

The most likely is that some jokers had built the ship on the mountain in the first place in order to create false evidence for the Bible, just as someone forged the James Ossary recently, the "Letters of Pontius Pilate" were forged many centuries ago, and medieval Europe was awash with fake relics. A bit of analysis on the ship would reveal the truth.
Lol if you collected all the "pieces of the cross" that showed up in the middle aged you could build yourself a medium sized inn as well as manger :p

I hope they DO find an ark. After all, since it would be far too small to have contained a pair of every reproducing landdwelling species which is around today, the ark story provides more evidence for evolution[1]. At a rather more rapid rate than scientists assume, but evolution nonetheless.

[1] Though one must fear the degeneration theory.

my my, making statements that have no relevance here...no wonder your a spamgirl...
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