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Is it just me, or does the group that swings to the right sound as whiney and defensive lately as the left wingers sounded last year (and a few before that, too)? I mean, I've seen a few members here pulling out the big guns and getting brutal with their defensive and agressive techniques.
From an Anti-Wings Advocate here with no allegiance to either side, it sure as hell looks that way. Is Dubbaya's taking a beating in the polls getting on your nerves, or is it something else? Is the left in general pissing you off?

Perhaps they're tired of playing fair?

This thread just compels me to post this image:
http://www.infowars.com/images2/Bush/republicrat.jpg

Perhaps they're tired of playing fair?
The right has never played fair. Please don't insert benevolence where there is none, namely politics.

what's with the right wing bashing? the left needs bashing just as much... commie anti-God devil worshippers...

Perhaps they're tired of playing fair?
Or perhaps they're just tired ... period?

Ive always been annoyed by the left more than the right. But the right is annoying in some circumstances such as the drug war and censorship and Intelligent Design. Meh...

Republicans and Democrats are becoming the same thing:fluffle: . I wouldn't say either is right or left wing, more of a smack dab center.

what's with the right wing bashing? the left needs bashing just as much... commie anti-God devil worshippers...

I like how conservatives generally think communism encompasses everything left of center.

I like how conservatives generally think communism encompasses everything left of center.

socialists are just shy commies..... and liberals are just murderers in my opinion... i really don't like the left...

abortion is murder :), so is euthanasia...

I like how conservatives generally think communism encompasses everything left of center.

And I like how people consider anything right of the center to be neoconservative. Even more, I like the two-spectrum classification.;)

what's with the right wing bashing? the left needs bashing just as much... commie anti-God devil worshippers...
You forgot aborted baby eaters.

You forgot aborted baby eaters.

Ah, shit. You got us there. *takes a bite out of a pickled fetus.*

Ah, shit. You got us there. *takes a bite out of a pickled fetus.*

I want my baby back baby back ribs...

And I like how people consider anything right of the center to be neoconservative. Even more, I like the two-spectrum classification.;)
Excellllllent. :D *rubs palms*

I like how conservatives generally think communism encompasses everything left of center.

"I like how liberals generally think fascism encompasses everything right of center."

See how that works? It sucks balls both ways man and it doesn't help.

People have a way of reacting to deviation from their perspective with an equal level of extremity as the deviation. The more radical the "antagonist" the more radical the response. Once you cross a point all lesser degrees of deviation are obscured and encompassed by whatever extreme is being reacted too. This problem generally leads to both an "us verses them" mentality and a progressively worse attacks between "us and them" mainly because this mentality is shared by both sides. It can only get worse. Once that happens moderation becomes impossible because any compromise is viewed as being the same as whatever extreme you are resisting.

I try to avoid the whole thing; virtue is the mean of two vices and what not.

Maybe it's because the choice we were offered by the left for president is a guy who demonstrated in a way that demoralized our troops and supported our enemies in Nam. Also take into account that Bush has turned a recession inherited from the Clinton (Democratic) presidency into a growing economy, went to war in Iraq based on faulty intel from almost every "ally" government in the world, and turned the lemons into lemonaide by committing and sacrificing to enable Iraq to build a people's choice democracy, that he has been accused of being a stupid ignorant "cowboy" while on the other hand whining "he lied to me and fooled me" (OK, if he is so stupid was does that say about you that he tricked you?), who has managed to juggle the 9/11 attacks, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the hurricane Katrina damage as well as leading the country in support and recovery aid to the tsunami and Kashmir quake victims, sponsoring fair and legal elections in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention leading the push for a constituion in in Iraq molded by 3 headstrong Muslim factions and acceptable for ratification by over 2/3 of the Iraqi people , some kind of peace in the Irsaeli/Palestine conflict so that children can some day hope to walk around without fear of being blown into hamburger, to just generally make the world aware of the the growing hostility with the radical Muslim factions and to take the first steps necessary to end their reign of terror. Come on...Clinton couldn't even manage to keep his cum off a chippy's dress and Gore foams at the mouth every time he gives a speech. Instead of focusing on the things that have gone wrong, try looking at the all that has gone right. Do this...go talk to an Iraq vet if you really want to know the truth. Then you will find out why the media says we are losing in Iraq but the re-enlistment numbers are over 80% and our vets are excited telling stories of all the good that is going on over there. Ask our troops who are living and dying overseas why they voted for Bush by over 80%. Turn off your TVs and go talk to a vet if you really want to know what is going on. Instead of listening to the likes of Sheehan, Michael Moore, Streisand, and Ted Kennedy why don't you listen to the message and legacy of Sheehan's son? What makes the mother's message of grief so much more viable than the committment and actions of her son who died for his beliefs? Why don't you listen to the vets who have been rebuilding schools, and Mosques, and lending support to the Iraqi people who are reshaping a government that represents all the people, who have worked to bring specialized medical care that wasn't available under Saddam, who have put their life on the line to help other people achieve the same rights we all take for granted, who have taught American sports such as football to Iraqi children so that they are not cowered like cattle for slaughter but have the self confidence to know that they can change the course of their lives through action...ask the over 80% of Iraq and Afghanistan troops who voted for Bush and rejected the principals of the liberal left. Then, after you have talked to our sons and daughters serving overseas, I think you will be able to answer your own question. No matter the social correctness of your rhetoric, sometimes you have to back your words with action. The "right" is just frustrated with the liberal agenda of "If I don't recognize it, it doesn't exist." Just as I prompted during the 04 elections, I ask that you do the same now. Go talk to our vets, our military, our people who know what is really going on. Otherwise, you're a political drone.

Zooke, are you actually serious, or is that just something you tell yourself so you can sleep better at night?

socialists are just shy commies..... and liberals are just murderers in my opinion... i really don't like the left...

abortion is murder :), so is euthanasia...
Wow what horrible logic

Why does it remind me of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon
Lol this could be fun I think I will do the same
"rabbits are animals
So are people they are practicaly the same
And sense rabits are the same as people rabbits have the right to vote"

Amazing ... I think I am now going to start a rabbit sufferage organization"

You seriously cant believe this shit do you:p

snip the pain
Wow someone must have never heard of paragraphs :p

socialists are just shy commies..... and liberals are just murderers in my opinion... i really don't like the left...

abortion is murder :), so is euthanasia...

Socialists is a general term that can be applied to any system of control by the people. Democracy can be seen as a form of socialism. Not all forms of Socialism are "liberal". Also, not all liberals are "socialists". Communism is a form of Socialism, just as Fascism is. The two, however, are polar opposites, with Communism being left, and Fascism being right. Socialism appears on both ends of the spectrum, remember that.

As for Liberals being murderers, see the Ku Klux Klan. There's a bunch of friendly people who are *conservative*. I also suppose that those who used civil disobedience in the 1960's to gain equality for all races were murderers. You see, this is where rash generalizations fall: They are never true.

Also, remember that not all "Liberals" or Democrats support abortion, just as not all "Conservatives" or Republicans are against it. Infact, abortion isn't even a party issue, it is only portrayed as such by the Neo-Cons and Super-Libs, and is quite frankly a lie perpetrated to gain control over the people. I can tell you this: Most of those who advocate against abortion probably don't give a damn about it. They use it to gain your voice. Infact, many probably don't want it to be illegalized. You know why? They lose their cannon, so to speak. One less platform for them. Same goes for many issues involving the Libs(And other issues for Cons as well). Politics is a dirty business, where lying gets you ahead.

As for euthanasia: What if someone wants to die? If they choose to die? You really want such a society as to destroy free choice? Or what if the body is only being kept alive by machines? The mind is dead, with NO chances of ever recovering. Take the Shivo case, in which almost all of her brain was DEAD. There was zero chance of her ever recovering to any state of consciousness. The only intact part of her brain were the ones for the most basic functions of life: Breathing, pumping blood, etc. She was a corpse, being kept alive. What's the point of keeping a dead body *technically* alive, when there is no chance of her ever recovering to any state of consciousness? Is it murder to end a life that isn't actually living to begin with? Etc.

To be against it, is alright. However, when involving politics especially, it is better to bring more to the table than "It's immoral" or "It's wrong". Such arguments are weak, and are easily preyed upon by politicians.

Is it just me, or does the group that swings to the right sound as whiney and defensive lately as the left wingers sounded last year (and a few before that, too)? I mean, I've seen a few members here pulling out the big guns and getting brutal with their defensive and agressive techniques.
From an Anti-Wings Advocate here with no allegiance to either side, it sure as hell looks that way. Is Dubbaya's taking a beating in the polls getting on your nerves, or is it something else? Is the left in general pissing you off?
What are you talking about? Ever since I started on these forums (March 2004) American people on both the left and the right have been whiny, aggressive and flaming.

Maybe it's because the choice we were offered by the left for president is a guy who demonstrated in a way that demoralized our troops and supported our enemies in Nam. Also take into account that Bush has turned a recession inherited from the Clinton (Democratic) presidency into a growing economy, went to war in Iraq based on faulty intel from almost every "ally" government in the world, and turned the lemons into lemonaide by committing and sacrificing to enable Iraq to build a people's choice democracy, that he has been accused of being a stupid ignorant "cowboy" while on the other hand whining "he lied to me and fooled me" (OK, if he is so stupid was does that say about you that he tricked you?), who has managed to juggle the 9/11 attacks, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the hurricane Katrina damage as well as leading the country in support and recovery aid to the tsunami and Kashmir quake victims, sponsoring fair and legal elections in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention leading the push for a constituion in in Iraq molded by 3 headstrong Muslim factions and acceptable for ratification by over 2/3 of the Iraqi people , some kind of peace in the Irsaeli/Palestine conflict so that children can some day hope to walk around without fear of being blown into hamburger, to just generally make the world aware of the the growing hostility with the radical Muslim factions and to take the first steps necessary to end their reign of terror. Come on...Clinton couldn't even manage to keep his cum off a chippy's dress and Gore foams at the mouth every time he gives a speech. Instead of focusing on the things that have gone wrong, try looking at the all that has gone right. Do this...go talk to an Iraq vet if you really want to know the truth. Then you will find out why the media says we are losing in Iraq but the re-enlistment numbers are over 80% and our vets are excited telling stories of all the good that is going on over there. Ask our troops who are living and dying overseas why they voted for Bush by over 80%. Turn off your TVs and go talk to a vet if you really want to know what is going on. Instead of listening to the likes of Sheehan, Michael Moore, Streisand, and Ted Kennedy why don't you listen to the message and legacy of Sheehan's son? What makes the mother's message of grief so much more viable than the committment and actions of her son who died for his beliefs? Why don't you listen to the vets who have been rebuilding schools, and Mosques, and lending support to the Iraqi people who are reshaping a government that represents all the people, who have worked to bring specialized medical care that wasn't available under Saddam, who have put their life on the line to help other people achieve the same rights we all take for granted, who have taught American sports such as football to Iraqi children so that they are not cowered like cattle for slaughter but have the self confidence to know that they can change the course of their lives through action...ask the over 80% of Iraq and Afghanistan troops who voted for Bush and rejected the principals of the liberal left. Then, after you have talked to our sons and daughters serving overseas, I think you will be able to answer your own question. No matter the social correctness of your rhetoric, sometimes you have to back your words with action. The "right" is just frustrated with the liberal agenda of "If I don't recognize it, it doesn't exist." Just as I prompted during the 04 elections, I ask that you do the same now. Go talk to our vets, our military, our people who know what is really going on. Otherwise, you're a political drone.


Sorry to sound whiny and pathetic, but would you mind paragraphing? Then more people would take the time to thoroughly read what you posted.

If I was American, I think I'd have to vote Republican, despite their slightly wacko religious politics.

Wow someone must have never heard of paragraphs :p
Or coherent thought.

Zooke, are you actually serious, or is that just something you tell yourself so you can sleep better at night?

Are all Democrats so bitchy?

what's with the right wing bashing? the left needs bashing just as much... commie anti-God devil worshippers...
If it wasn't you, I would assume this was satire.

socialists are just shy commies..... and liberals are just murderers in my opinion... i really don't like the left...

abortion is murder :), so is euthanasia...
Oh shut up, can't go two posts without mentioning abortion? Abortion is not muder any more than war is, so you can stick your finger of righteous indignation at both sides.

People have a way of reacting to deviation from their perspective with an equal level of extremity as the deviation. The more radical the "antagonist" the more radical the response.
Of course, it's basic Newtonian physics!

Maybe it's because the choice we were offered by the left for president is a guy who demonstrated in a way that demoralized our troops and supported our enemies in Na.............
-snip-
paragraphs... please

I really

need

paragraphs.


I'll respond to the first sentence? Who is the left? I assume you mean Democrats. That's wrong, but I'll work with it anyway. I don't normally feel compelled to defend Kerry but with this level of bullshit I'll defend anyone.

Kerry didn't demoralise the troops... he was one of the troops!

He didn't support your enemies... he shot them!

What are you talking about? Ever since I started on these forums (March 2004) American people on both the left and the right have been whiny, aggressive and flaming.
Well, glad you got my point. Last year, with the right-wing relatively comfortable in their neverending position of power sounded cocky and prideful.
The left sounded defensive, crabby and quick-to-flame.

They're both still doing it, but the right wing (IMHO) has been less arrogant, and more definsive lately. It's interesting for me as an outsider to take notice of such things.

I believe the left wingers are a bunch of morons, that believe that immoral issure like abortion, stem cell research and homosexuality should be exepted to American socity. It clearly states in The Bible that homosexuality and every thing else that the corrupt left wing is for is wrong. If you ask me the left wingers need to find peace with God.

Yes, the right wing, all liars! I love how the right wing likes to call those opposed to the Iraq war "unpatriotic", hmm, lets see, Bush, never showed up for National Guard duty (they offered quite a bit of money for someone in that unit to say he showed up), Cheyney, dodged the draft (didn't you righties get on Clinton for that?) Rush Limbaugh, naw, he dodged the draft, O Reilly, yeah right!
So lets straighten out a few things here, if liberals are Communists, (I am not a Commie, I AM a liberal though) then what do we call righties, facists? Who lied about what? The Niger document, was a forgery. The right wing outed a 20 year CIA operative named Valerie Plame, there ya go, compromise national security! By the way, the after action report, which is classified, is reported to state that operatives under Plame died because they were exposed in other nations. Oh what else, over 10 billion dollars unaccounted for in Iraq, and Haliburton being paid billions to NOT rebuild a thing. Instead of handing the jobs to Iraqis, they import cheap, foreign child labor to do the work for extremely cheap, causing massive unemployment and unrest in Iraq, the real cause of the insurgency. The right wing is cutting government programs for the poor and taxes for the top 2 percent, good call! Oh they do love big government, don't believe the hype, they just love big government in different places, such as the bedroom and in the clinic.
Try me righties, I'll debunk anything yall got to say.

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Well, glad you got my point. Last year, with the right-wing relatively comfortable in their neverending position of power sounded cocky and prideful.
The left sounded defensive, crabby and quick-to-flame.

They're both still doing it, but the right wing (IMHO) has been less arrogant, and more definsive lately. It's interesting for me as an outsider to take notice of such things.

The reason being, probably, is that many of them are being caught with the smoking gun. Delay anybody? Add to that the fact that popular support for many issues, especially involving the war, are coming under public scrutiny, and *some* Republicans are deciding to use dirty tactics and frankly whining to get their way.

Basically, for the first time in a while, it is apparent that Republican's control is weakening, and that they may lose seats in Congress, and unless they shape up, may even lose the Presidency. Seems funny that all their attacks on the Democrats is really going to bite them in the ass come the next few elections. This is why I don't like politics: The only reason anything happens is becasue one side screws up.

I believe the left wingers are a bunch of morons, that believe that immoral issure like abortion, stem cell research and homosexuality should be exepted to American socity. It clearly states in The Bible that homosexuality and every thing else that the corrupt left wing is for is wrong. If you ask me the left wingers need to find peace with God.


Oh please, do tell me where in the Bible it states stem cell research and abortion are wrong. In fact, in the old testament, it clearly states that the penalty for a man who hits a woman in a way that she loses her child, (intentionally hits) then it is a FINANCIAL penalty, not one that equals murder. Also, there are few passages that even speak of homosexuality. ALSO, it states that he who is without sin cast the first stone.
But an even better arguement is that we are not a Christian nation, and we were never meant to be. This is a nation of and for all religions, and we clearly seperate church and state, although it would be funny to see how you righties pick the brand.
You are free to practice your religion so long as it does not interfere with my life. You cannot however, cram your BS down my throats. Just warning you Pat Robertson d%*k suckers your brand will never win here. Roe Vs Wade is safe and secure, and that homosexuals will indeed be married some day!
But do try your bs on me some more, I love debunking the right wing!

I believe the left wingers are a bunch of morons, that believe that immoral issure like abortion, stem cell research and homosexuality should be exepted to American socity. It clearly states in The Bible that homosexuality and every thing else that the corrupt left wing is for is wrong. If you ask me the left wingers need to find peace with God.

Goddammit.

Abortion-learn the true ruling about Roe V. Wade, then come back.
Stem Cell Research-You know the whole "adopt an embryo" program? Well, most of the embryos are destroyed attempting to impregnate the woman who is "adopting" said embryo. Huh. Blatant Hypocracy.
Homosexuality-There are only two reasons this is thought of as wrong, being "Religious", and "It's Gross!". Under the first, there are MANY holes in the Religious reasons, which require one to completely ignore a great deal of evidence. Also, Homosexual marriage cannot be illegalized by this reason, for the reason of this peculiar document called the "Constitution". For the second, grow up people.

Oh, and guess what? None of these issues is purely Republican/Democrat(Nor are they even truly political) or even liberal/ conservative. Learn politics, and stop the inherently stupid Party-line that people follow. It's just plain irresponsible and stupid to vote for someone based on party. This goes for both side, as well.

And no, it does not state ANYWHERE in the bible that Homosexuality(and others) is wrong. It can be inferred, but it does not state. Read between the lines a little more closely.

But if you want to go down that road, interracial marriage was proclaimed as wrong in the Bible. And hell, slavery was perfectly all right. Yay Bible!

And if you ask me, you should recognize that the bible itself proclaims a seperation of Church and state. I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't to fond of the Church led government of the time.

And the right is just as corrupt as the left. Dammit.

I believe the left wingers are a bunch of morons, that believe that immoral issure like abortion, stem cell research and homosexuality should be exepted to American socity. It clearly states in The Bible that homosexuality and every thing else that the corrupt left wing is for is wrong. If you ask me the left wingers need to find peace with God.
Yes, the right wing, all liars! I love how the right wing likes to call those opposed to the Iraq war "unpatriotic", hmm, lets see, Bush, never showed up for National Guard duty (they offered quite a bit of money for someone in that unit to say he showed up), Cheyney, dodged the draft (didn't you righties get on Clinton for that?) Rush Limbaugh, naw, he dodged the draft, O Reilly, yeah right!

Warning: entering a forest infested by trolls.

I believe the left wingers are a bunch of morons, that believe that immoral issure like abortion, stem cell research and homosexuality should be exepted to American socity. It clearly states in The Bible that homosexuality and every thing else that the corrupt left wing is for is wrong. If you ask me the left wingers need to find peace with God.

What evidence do you have that the Bible is even correct? Sorry, but I feel a harsh troll needs a strong response.

What evidence do you have that the Bible is even correct? Sorry, but I feel a harsh troll needs a strong response.
Besides which, God? There is no God. I eagerly await their evidence proving otherwise.

Since when did America have a leftwing?

They have no evidence of anything, be it biblical or wmds in Iraq. They make it up as they go along. We are all supposed to have Christianity crammed down our throats. Well sorry, never going to happen. And, did you righties ever figure out what brand of Christianity? And, since the right wing doesn't believe in seperation of church and state (meaning they do not believe in the constitution, thus making them "unpatriotic") then, which church shall rule the state.
And, props on the earlier post stating just because the bible may say its wrong (not saying it actually does) does not mean in fact that we have to live by that as a nation. We do not all have to follow the 700 Club Nazi Pat Robertson.
Give it up righties, you are all liars. Everything you know is in fact, a lie.


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They have no evidence of anything, be it biblical or wmds in Iraq. They make it up as they go along.
Surely NS can do better than this.

By all means, feel free to show the evidence. I'll present a few points.
First of all, I haven't found the passage in the Bible that states God hates homosexuals, in fact the subject is barely covered. Second, the Bible does not state abortion is murder, in fact, as I have already stated, the penalty in ancient Israel for a man that intentionally hits a woman so that she loses her unborn baby is in fact a financial penalty, a far cry from the execution penalty that was given for murder. A number of rabbis and biblical scholars will back this up (sorry, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are NOT biblical scholars, they are money hungry lunatics) But beyond a discussion into the bible, there is one other thing that the right wing keeps forgetting, and that is we are not obligated to to follow the bible as a nation. As great as it would seem to just cram your bs down the throats of everyone and make this a neocon Christian ultra right wing crusade fighting nation, most of us do not believe as you do. And since we are a nation that states "separation of church and state", you might want to think about practicing your beliefs and allowing others to practice theirs, so long as ones does not cross anothers. And frankly, if you substituted God for Allah, and Jesus for Muhhamed, then I would have a really hard time telling the difference between the mullahs in Iran and Bin Laden, and the far Christian right.
As for Iraq, I still laugh when the righties try and claim the wmd story. Where were those again? What happened to the mobile labs? What about the stockpiles Saddam still had that Reagan gave him? I know, there in Syria now and we'll invade them to find the weapons now! Oh, wait, north, south, east and west of Baghdad, right Rumsfeld? What happened to the "smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud"? Or the unmanned planes that would somehow escape the radar of a multitude of nations and spray us with chemicals. (to those of you who believed that your a really big idiot) I thought Iraq was a major threat, an imminent threat? Remember, they were so dangerous that it took an entire 3 weeks to overthrow the regime.
Oh I forgot, he would not allow the weapons inspectors in......wait.....no....that can't be, they were in there before shock and awe then WE pulled them out, thats right! But wait, ah yes, we did it for the people! Silly me, I forgot we were greeted with flowers and candy upon arrival like our good, honest friend Chalabi said. How did that ever work, they still giving us candy and flowers? Maybe they're a little ticked about the high unemployment rate there, primarily because Cheyney's buddies are bringing in foreign, mostly underaged labor so that they can keep milking the taxpayers.
The Iraqis, SHOULD be getting the reconstruction contracts in Iraq, thus reducing unemployment, poverty and giving them a more an attractive option than killing Americans. Might help if we get that electricity running again. Of course, it also didn't help when we sent 400,00 men home unemployed with loaded guns.
Speaking of Chalabi, what ever happened to our good friend and source of information. Well, last I heard he was avoiding 20 years hard labor in Jordan and is being investigated by the FBI for giving secrets to Iran, thats helping national security!
Oh, see, there it was. I forgot all about the Niger document. I mean, that proves it right........wait, eh nevermind. Joseph Wilson determined it to be a "poor forgery". Does anyone know that Wilson was praised by Bush Sr, and that he was a well known African expert. Does anyone know that his wife was a CIA agent? Well, you do now! See, when Wilson came out a pointed out where the administration was lying to the American people, someone (cough-CHEYNEY-cough) ordered her identity leaked to the press in retaliation. Of course her job was tracking wmds, and there are reports of agents under her that are dead, and the rest of the world has slowly began to not share vital intelligence with us (that came from the mouth of a CIA agent) but hey, all in the name of national security. By the way, I should warn you that if Druggie Limbaugh or OReilly tries to smear these public servants, they are most likely lying. (Oh please someone come back with something Rush says)
But Mike, both Bin Laden and Saddam hated us, they had to have been working together. Well, not true again. Bin Laden on many, many occasions reffered to Saddam as an "infidel", a "traitor", and encouraged his overthrow. I'm sure the secular, power driven Saddam told Bin Laden "okay, I guess I can forget about all that overthrowing me nonsense and let your private army in my country". Please.....if Saddam had known of a major Al Quaida presence in Iraq he would have had them killed.
So, I'm begging a right winger, PLEEEEASE try me, PLEASE.......
LOL, cowards and liars, every last one of them.

Since when did America have a leftwing?
Don't be such a geek. Unless we're discussing a black/white dichotomatic universe, there's shades of fucking gray.
America has a left-wing, relatively speaking. Don't propogandize for the asshats who insist you're either communist or anarcho-capitalist in order to qualify as either left or right wing.

The left-right description of politics is tired and unowrthy of an accurate desription. Or at least suggest that America has a one-party system in democratic drag. :rolleyes:

By the way, to the one who stated that Bush has grown the economy, let's see, the latest figures show that one .5 of 1 percent has actually experienced a net gain (being income, inflation, cost of living ect) the poverty level has risen 2%, many seniors and former employees of corporations no longer have their pension due to laws that have made it easier for corporations to file bankruptcy (and harder for ordinary people to do so) and Bush is only the second president where there was no net gain in jobs in his first term. I would like you to tell the thousands that have been laid off that the economy is doing better.
Also, just to set the record straight, I am not a commie, I believe in capitalism, however, we are a nation of checks and balances and quite frankly, that is a term the right wing and the corporate puppets are unaware exists.