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Bush: One of the Worst Disasters to Hit the U.S.

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Bush: One of the Worst Disasters to Hit the U.S.

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Agree? Disagree?
The jury is still out.

Mmm.. Spam...

I like it with pineapple on toast, with some cheese of some kind.

The jury is still out.

That is what Bush thinks about Evolution.

But the Jury came back with a Guilty Verdict on Bush a LONG time ago.

Bush needs to be Impeached and removed from Office (we don't need to worry about Cheney since he will have 12 heartattacks in a row after he hears that he has to become president).

Between the Iraq War, Banning Stem-Cell Reasearch, Terri Shiavo, Katrina Responce (or the lack thereof), Homophobic policies, Anti-Science Views, and his Unwillingness to admit to so much as one IODA of being wrong. Bush doesn't even deserve to be Mayor of New Orleans much less President of the World's Last Superpower.

Very democratic poll ya got there...:rolleyes:

Very democratic poll ya got there...:rolleyes:

What is the point in having options that are obviously False? What matters is that the people get to vote.

Between the Iraq War, Banning Stem-Cell Reasearch, Terri Shiavo, Katrina Responce (or the lack thereof), Homophobic policies, Anti-Science Views, and his Unwillingness to admit to so much as one IODA of being wrong. Bush doesn't even deserve to be Mayor of New Orleans much less President of the World's Last Superpower.
Just a few points:

1. The Iraq War was, and is justified.

2. Stem-cell research has not been "banned."

3. Terri Shiavo is a demented fool who disrespects her own son's memory.

4. The response to Kartrina was delayed and inadequate.

5. I am not aware of any "homophobic" policies of this Administration.

6. I am not aware of any "Anti-Science Views" of this Administration.

Those are just the major ones I could think of in a few minutes. Sorry, but your post makes little rational sense to me.

3. Terri Shiavo is a demented fool who disrespects her own son's memory.


Eh.. Terri Schiavo was the previously-braindead Florida woman killed by the State.. Cindy Sheehan is the presently-braindead California woman..

1. Possibly, but not on the grounds that were offered to justify going into Iraq in the first place: it seems pretty obvious now that those were spurious.
2. Stem cell research isn't being funded or encouraged, either.
3. As Dominguez says, you're confusing the mother of a dead soldier with the brain dead anorexic Bush wishjed to keep alive, possibly because she was one of the few women who wouldn't laugh at his erection.
4. It's nice that we can agree on something.
5. Overturning State's rights to allow gay marriage could be construed as homophobia.
6. The current fuss over creationism? I suppose you could argue this down to the senate rather than the GOP, it's true.

Just a few points:

1. The Iraq War was, and is justified.

2. Stem-cell research has not been "banned."

3. Terri Shiavo is a demented fool who disrespects her own son's memory.

4. The response to Kartrina was delayed and inadequate.

5. I am not aware of any "homophobic" policies of this Administration.

6. I am not aware of any "Anti-Science Views" of this Administration.

Those are just the major ones I could think of in a few minutes. Sorry, but your post makes little rational sense to me.
1. the iraq war not justified, there was no real reason to go into iraq other than oil. We all know Bush lied about his reasons.

2. I don't know about the state of your laws on Stem Cell reseach over the pond.

3. Terri Shiavo is a good woman who justifibly wants to know what her son died for.

4. Agreed.

5. Anti gay marrage?

6. Inetellagent design, reationism? Ring any bells?

3. Terri Shiavo is a good woman who justifibly wants to know what her son died for.


Hehe.. this is killing me.. :p

Terri Shiavo was the brain dead woman in Florida whom Bush signed a law that was made just for her!

:headbang:

Hehe.. this is killing me.. :p
You thinke veryone should be sheep, just couse I don't agree with you dosn't mean I'm wrong.

Terri Shiavo was the brain dead woman in Florida whom Bush signed a law that was made just for her!
As I said, he clearly thought that he was in, there.

Go Sciavo! that woman OWNZ!

You thinke veryone should be sheep, just couse I don't agree with you dosn't mean I'm wrong.

Hehe... :p I'm gettin lightheaded here.. ah, curse me for being so easily amused... my sides are hurting.. wrong woman, Aust.. ;)

Hehe... :p I'm gettin lightheaded here.. ah, curse me for being so easily amused... my sides are hurting.. wrong woman, Aust.. ;)
Damn, I reamber now, she was the one the one that died wasn't she, damn, US politcs makes my brain hurt. In britians it's so much easyier....

1. The Iraq War was, and is justified.

No, as far as we can tell (which is increasingly more and more) it was not.

2. Stem-cell research has not been "banned."

I think he was reffering to the fact that all funding for new cells was cut. Not a ban by any means, but definantly blown way out of proportion by hacks on both sides of the spectrum.

3. Terri Shiavo is a demented fool who disrespects her own son's memory.

Assuming you meant Sheehan here: Demented? yes. Fool? Maybe. The last part, however, is sheer nonsense, and I hope to hell that you realize that, Eut.

5. I am not aware of any "homophobic" policies of this Administration.

Do the words "radical religious Right" mean anything to you? Ammendmant to ban Gay Marriage?

6. I am not aware of any "Anti-Science Views" of this Administration.

*cough*ID in classrooms*cough

Damn, I reamber now, she was the one the one that died wasn't she, damn, US politcs makes my brain hurt. In britians it's so much easyier....

It's cool.. most people don't make the effort.. it's usually trouble enough sifting through the crap one's own system produces.. I'm in full support of taking Cindy Sheehan off life-support, when and if that occasion should arrive, however.. :)

Do the words "radical religious Right" mean anything to you? Ammendmant to ban Gay Marriage?

I don't remember any amendment being voted on... if you're thinking of the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibited gay marriage, that was Clinton's baby, not W's.

3. Terri Shiavo is a good woman who justifibly wants to know what her son died for.

This is making me laugh too HARD. LOL :D

I think that you're thinking about Cindy Sheehan, Terri Shiavo was the lady who was braindead and died.

PS: Not laughing at you, just laughing at the confusion between a helpless lady and another lady who hates Bush and loves publicity since she wants the world to feel her "sympathy" for her child.

I voted YES. That is the third time today that I voted YES.

*CanuckHeaven is becoming a YES man?

I don't remember any amendment being voted on... if you're thinking of the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibited gay marriage, that was Clinton's baby, not W's.

If I remember, right after Bushy's little re-election number (incidently, won on "moral" grounds with Gay Marriage being the big issue), it was a big talking point. I wasn't paying too much attention at the time, as I was pretty well fed up with American politics, so I could be wrong.

3. Terri Shiavo is a demented fool who disrespects her own son's memory.
Calling Terri Schiavo a "demented fool" is being very charitable. ;)

1. Possibly, but not on the grounds that were offered to justify going into Iraq in the first place: it seems pretty obvious now that those were spurious.
Yes, it was justified. It doesn't particularly matter that most of the original reasons were dodgy. The deed was done, and that's what matters.

If I remember, right after Bushy's little re-election number (incidently, won on "moral" grounds with Gay Marriage being the big issue), it was a big talking point. I wasn't paying too much attention at the time, as I was pretty well fed up with American politics, so I could be wrong.
I've never seen any proof that gay marriage was a big electoral issue.

Bush is not a good president, but hardly the unmitigated disaster that the original poster (who is a troll) makes him out to be.

Go Sciavo! that woman OWNZ!
Crazy Cindy Sheehan is the nut-case that camps out in Texas. Terri Sciavo is the brain--dead woman that died in Florida. I know it's hard to tell the difference between the two, but Crazy Cindy is still alive.

Crazy Cindy Sheehan is the nut-case that camps out in Texas. Terri Sciavo is the brain--dead woman that died in Florida. I know it's hard to tell the difference between the two, but Crazy Cindy is still alive.

No. It's the other way around. Go check your facts.;)

No. It's the other way around. Go check your facts.;)
You're just pulling my leg, but by the time we're through here, Schiavo will have made some anti-war statements before she died.

If I remember, right after Bushy's little re-election number (incidently, won on "moral" grounds with Gay Marriage being the big issue), it was a big talking point. I wasn't paying too much attention at the time, as I was pretty well fed up with American politics, so I could be wrong.

Exit polls showed some number (I believe 22%) of voters choosing "moral" issues.. but it was the pro-gay marriage lobby that put the issue on the ballots in 11 states, not Bush.. they thought it would bring gays to the polls, and maybe it did, but if it did the opposite, it wasn't Bush's scheme..

Edit: yup, 22%.. good ol' NS archive helps reorganize my thoughts.. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371585 :p Ah, good memories..

US politics...all about people and nothing about issues.

US politics...all about people and nothing about issues.
It's a lot easier to smear people, as a rule.

Just a few points:

1. The Iraq War was, and is justified.

2. Stem-cell research has not been "banned."

3. Terri Shiavo is a demented fool who disrespects her own son's memory.

4. The response to Kartrina was delayed and inadequate.

5. I am not aware of any "homophobic" policies of this Administration.

6. I am not aware of any "Anti-Science Views" of this Administration.

Those are just the major ones I could think of in a few minutes. Sorry, but your post makes little rational sense to me.

Thank you for adding some common sense to this thread.

Thank you for adding some common sense to this thread.


Are you being sarcastic?

US politics...all about people and nothing about issues.

That's rather true, rather sad, and rather making me want to move to England.

Are you being sarcastic?

Not at all.

Not at all.
Then why are you arguing that not knowing who Terri Schiavo was is sensible?

Not at all.


Alright, just making sure, lol.

That's rather true, rather sad, and rather making me want to move to England.

Good thing you live in a country that allows you to do just that then huh?:D

1. The Iraq War was, and is justified.

2. Stem-cell research has not been "banned."

3. Terri Shiavo is a demented fool who disrespects her own son's memory.

4. The response to Kartrina was delayed and inadequate.

5. I am not aware of any "homophobic" policies of this Administration.

6. I am not aware of any "Anti-Science Views" of this Administration.

1. First the reason for war was "WMD" then when that didn't work it was "Connections to Terrorist" when that was debunked it was "Freeing the Iraqi People" but that is currently not working.

2. Bush has cut the funding for Stem Cell research at the federal level, Korea now has the lead in Stem Cell research...

3. Your talking about Cindy Sheehan who has the right to speak her mind, unless you would deny everyone their First Amendment Rights?

4. The Apathetic Responce of Our Government to Katrina is Unforgivable.

5. Bush is part of the Right Wing of the Republican Party that would be more than happy to send gays to the Death Camps.

6. The list of Anti-Science Policies starts at so-called "Intelligent" Design and ends at Stem Cell Research.

Anything else from the Neo-Con patsy?

US politics...all about people and nothing about issues.

That often goes for non-us politics as well...

I find it interesting that our economy is growing at between 3 to 4 percent while the EU is stagnating, and people who hate Bush say we're in a recession.

I guess if you shout a big lie loud enough and long enough, it will make it "true".

Other accusations are based on a complete misunderstanding of how the US works - we do not have as strong a central government as most European nations, for instance. So when a place like Kansas has a school board vote in favor of something idiotic like "intelligent design", people say, "It's Bush's fault" or "Bush is pushing religion into the classroom".

Hey, Bush has NO authority over what is taught in Kansas. Even the "No Child Left Behind" Act doesn't do more than force states to have standards and measure those standards - it doesn't say specifically what those standards should be.

Hoover is probably the worst disaster (as a President) ever to hit the US.

Then why are you arguing that not knowing who Terri Schiavo was is sensible?
I think we both know who he really meant,(Cindy Sheehan ). But yes I should have mentioned that. Thanks

You thinke veryone should be sheep, just couse I don't agree with you dosn't mean I'm wrong.

Funny, a while back I was arguing and supporting Bush, yet everyone claimed that I was wrong, though, I had valid points. Ironic isn't it. ;)

1. The Iraq War is perfectly fine. Tell me, you wouldn't want to have a man who has chemically spooed his people be thrown out of office? Even if the origional statements were not valid (though even the UN thought that Iraq had WMD. Why would they keep on throwing the inspectors out then?). But what we have done is establish a democracy (even if it is under assualt by insurgents) that has pressured other countries to become democratic. 5 years ago, the Middle East was anywhere from democratic. Today, we have 3 Arab Democracies in the region. Meanwhile, the other nation's are being pressured to reform into democracies.

2. Stem-cell research has not been banned. All that has happened is that public funds can not be used to support the research. Private funds can be used to fund research and work on it. Nothing stops them from.

3. I have to agree with Eutrusca. All she wants is to gain a spotlight on her, using her son. That is sick and demented.

4. Yes, Katrina was a disaster. But it wasn't all his fault. If I remember correctly, it was the Mayor who objected and blocked the use of school buses to evacuate the poor.

5. I think homosexuality (if that is what Homophobia means) is wrong and weird. I agree with him on that stance.

6. I haven't seen any anti-science view. I've seen science support. Wasn't he that one that supported increasing funds for development of hydrogen cars? That sounds so unscientific to me, he must be unscientific person. :rolleyes:

1. First the reason for war was "WMD" then when that didn't work it was "Connections to Terrorist" when that was debunked it was "Freeing the Iraqi People" but that is currently not working.

2. Bush has cut the funding for Stem Cell research at the federal level, Korea now has the lead in Stem Cell research...

3. Your talking about Cindy Sheehan who has the right to speak her mind, unless you would deny everyone their First Amendment Rights?

4. The Apathetic Responce of Our Government to Katrina is Unforgivable.

5. Bush is part of the Right Wing of the Republican Party that would be more than happy to send gays to the Death Camps.

6. The list of Anti-Science Policies starts at so-called "Intelligent" Design and ends at Stem Cell Research.

Anything else from the Neo-Con patsy?
First, maybe you should tone down the insults? Everyone has the right to their opinion here I do believe. As for your points, Most of the free world believed he had WMD's or was trying to get them. Second, I agree, he did do that and I disagree with him on that issue. Third, everyone with a brain knew who he was talking about. Fourth, You are part right. It was unsatisfactory. However there were people on the ground waiting to help. Dont argue that with me, I was there. Fifth, I wont even dignify that with an answer. And Sixth, d
you really believe he is following Chairman Mao's teachings? anti science??

I think we both know who he really meant,(Cindy Sheehan ). But yes I should have mentioned that. Thanks
Given that he frequently gives the impression of sticking pins in the woman's effigy when he has five minutes free, you'd think he'd remember her name, really.

Space union:
The problem with this thing in Iraq, is that it was started under false pretences (ie that Iraq had WMDs, which it now appears it didn't, and links to Al Queda, which I find it hard to believe ever looked like being the case, and so had to be invaded in order to defend America from the hideous threat it posed). When it emerged that this was indefensible nonsense, the tune was changed to whining about ghastly oppression and human rights abuses. These apply (though it begs the question of why Tibet, Syria or Korea haven't been liberated) but they have fuck all to do with the reasons the invasion was carried out in the first place, both of which have been revealed as horseshit.
Therefore the invasion was carried out under false pretences.

5 years ago, the Middle East was anywhere from democratic. Today, we have 3 Arab Democracies in the region. Meanwhile, the other nation's are being pressured to reform into democracies.

iran and iraq i know off the other? I'm not doubting your point here but I want to know.



The Iraq War is perfectly fine. Tell me, you wouldn't want to have a man who has chemically spooed his people be thrown out of office
Who Bush, oh sorry you meant Saddam, did yous ee the news today apparntly Conditions are worse in iraq than under Saddam.



Even if the origional statements were not valid (though even the UN thought that Iraq had WMD. Why would they keep on throwing the inspectors out then?).
Because they wanted to find out the truth and didn't want to run in and attack like the US?


But what we have done is establish a democracy (even if it is under assualt by insurgents) that has pressured other countries to become democratic
How deocratic is Iraq though, until they form a constution the US is basically in charge, and after they create a constuntion the US will still be in charge.

5. I think homosexuality (if that is what Homophobia means) is wrong and weird. I agree with him on that stance.

Now replace homosexuality with "not treating black people as slaves" or "giving women voting rights" or "allowing people to not go to church".

Thats the thing about humans rights. That YOU dislike a certain group does not mean the law should dislike them. After all, maybe the next group it would target is yours...

6. I haven't seen any anti-science view.

As others said: his support of calling ID science is.. [self-censored]

Most of the free world believed he had WMD's or was trying to get them.
No it didn't. That is one reason why nobody else in the free world besides Spain and his glove puppet Blair supported the invasion.
Second, I agree, he did do that and I disagree with him on that issue.
So pulling the plug on medical research that could clear up a variety of congenital problems and possibly lead to a method of repairing damaged nerves on the say so of religious fundamentalists who feel that abortion is a hideous evil isn't anti science?
And Sixth, do you really believe he is following Chairman Mao's teachings? anti science??
One example of this is cited above. handing over science lessons in public schools to fundamentalists is another example of this.

I find it interesting that our economy is growing at between 3 to 4 percent while the EU is stagnating, and people who hate Bush say we're in a recession.
I always find that amusing. I have no idea what state the US economy is in. It depends on whether the person you're talking to likes Bush. It is additionally amusing that what the president does rarely has any significant, or immediate, effect on the economy.

I always find that amusing. I have no idea what state the US economy is in. It depends on whether the person you're talking to likes Bush. It is additionally amusing that what the president does rarely has any significant, or immediate, effect on the economy.

I would agree that Bush has nothing to do with how good or bad the US economy is doing. He seems to have gotten it right with the economy by keeping himself and his cronies out of it for the most part.

i've yet to see a bush supporter out there who isnt either gullible enough to believe bush, rich enough as to get profit from what he's doing, or religious enough to not care about certain policies just because they agree with him on "moral" issues.

im sure theres some out there.

i've yet to find one.

as far as the war goes... Blame Bushie all you want, but please don't forget about the hundreds of goofs in congress that wholeheartedly approved of the action. Not to mention those who curiously changed their stance when it was election time.

No it didn't. That is one reason why nobody else in the free world besides Spain and his glove puppet Blair supported the invasion.

So pulling the plug on medical research that could clear up a variety of congenital problems and possibly lead to a method of repairing damaged nerves on the say so of religious fundamentalists who feel that abortion is a hideous evil isn't anti science?

One example of this is cited above. handing over science lessons in public schools to fundamentalists is another example of this.

Yes in fact they did! Why else were they sending inspectors in there only to be lied to and thrown out?? Just because other countries didn't join in doesnt mean they didnt think it. By the way, there were more countries, over 40. Your opinion of anti science is yours, not everyones. Like I said, I do disagree with the administration on this point. However, Does that mean he is anti science? Or an evil man? DO you REALLY think he sits there and trys to figure out the best way to screw this world up? Heisnt a perfect man, far from it. And I dont believe he is the greatest President. But he is sure as hell better then the other choices we have had recently. But dont despair, I am sure that soon we will elect somebody that will pull all the guns out of our hands, make schools the ultimate moral authority and your 12 year old daughter will be able to get an abortion and go on the pill with out you even knowing it. :p

Terri Shiavo is dead...:rolleyes:

she was the brain dead woman that got her feeding tube removed:p

as far as the war goes... Blame Bushie all you want, but please don't forget about the hundreds of goofs in congress that wholeheartedly approved of the action. Not to mention those who curiously changed their stance when it was election time.

Yeah, Bush is an easy target for blame because he's both an idiot and a zealot, and leaves himself open to becoming a target. But the entire US political system is, for the most part, made of corrupt blood-suckers. Having a political system filled with that variety of parasite is an unfortunate by-product of having a political system.

And now to address this "natural disaster" reference.
How many people voted to have a Hurricane decimate the Gulf Coast?:rolleyes:

1. Possibly, but not on the grounds that were offered to justify going into Iraq in the first place: it seems pretty obvious now that those were spurious.
2. Stem cell research isn't being funded or encouraged, either.
3. As Dominguez says, you're confusing the mother of a dead soldier with the brain dead anorexic Bush wishjed to keep alive, possibly because she was one of the few women who wouldn't laugh at his erection.
4. It's nice that we can agree on something.
5. Overturning State's rights to allow gay marriage could be construed as homophobia.
6. The current fuss over creationism? I suppose you could argue this down to the senate rather than the GOP, it's true.

1.) Regardless, there were WMDs in Iraq, they just weren't able to do anything from being to old.

2.) That means it has been banned? As I recall, all Bush did was stop new centers from being opened.

3.) I think it has already been stated as to what Sheehan is doing. It is sick and demented, and she needs her head examined for using her son's death to gain her and her views media publicity.

4.) In regards to Hurrican Katrina, that was actually the fastest the government has ever responded to a hurricane. And the fact it wasn't Bush's job.

5.) Or it could be viewed as him taking a stance on something he believes in.

6.) As for the fuss over creationism, I am not going there. There have been tons of topics about this already, and I don't want to set off the powder keg once more.

Mr. Bush has failed on all fronts! That's why I'll be voting for myself in 2008. Just like I did in 1996, 2000 and 2004. ;) Hopefully Americans will become so appathetic and fed-up with government that they will no longer vote, and that's how I will become President. :p

Yeah, Bush is an easy target for blame because he's both an idiot and a zealot, and leaves himself open to becoming a target. But the entire US political system is, for the most part, made of corrupt blood-suckers. Having a political system filled with that variety of parasite is an unfortunate by-product of having a political system.
And your solution would be what? Anarchy?

I always find that amusing. I have no idea what state the US economy is in. It depends on whether the person you're talking to likes Bush. It is additionally amusing that what the president does rarely has any significant, or immediate, effect on the economy.

I don't particularly like Bush, but I know for a fact that the economy is in very good shape overall, and will grow stronger as oil prices subside. Like any expansion, it has its weak spots and its strong spots. This economy has recovered, and weathered from 9/11, corporate collapses, the dot com bubble, and the rise in oil prices, and in 2004/2005 has perpetuated growth akin to that of the late 1990's. If oil falls, we'll be doing even better.

Bush does deserve some credit for attempting to expand free trade and cutting taxes to stimulate the economy, but he has created problems due to the size of the deficit (which is somewhat less of a problem now that it is smaller than GDP growth). He needs to eliminate quotas on Chinese exports and push them to create a plan to gradually float the yuan over the next decade or so.

I voted 'Yes".

I don't particularly like Bush, but I know for a fact that the economy is in very good shape overall, and will grow stronger as oil prices subside. Like any expansion, it has its weak spots and its strong spots. This economy has recovered, and weathered from 9/11, corporate collapses, the dot com bubble, and the rise in oil prices, and in 2004/2005 has perpetuated growth akin to that of the late 1990's. If oil falls, we'll be doing even better.

Bush does deserve some credit for attempting to expand free trade and cutting taxes to stimulate the economy, but he has created problems due to the size of the deficit (which is somewhat less of a problem now that it is smaller than GDP growth). He needs to eliminate quotas on Chinese exports and push them to create a plan to gradually float the yuan over the next decade or so.
Yea..What he said!! ^^^^^:p

as far as the war goes... Blame Bushie all you want, but please don't forget about the hundreds of goofs in congress that wholeheartedly approved of the action. Not to mention those who curiously changed their stance when it was election time.
This is the crux, as far as most Americans are concerned, I think. Most of the American people, (our Congress, and some other citizens of other countries) began hearing about 45 minute chemical response, nuclear capabilities that would descend from the sky, into our hometowns, at any given moment. This was very shortly after 9/11, when the anthrax scare was all too real (funny how that's not brought up much anymore). All of us were scared. The thing that REALLY ticks me off is that some elected representatives used this as a platform to exploit us, in many, many ways. I never bought into the Iraq war, but I understand the people who did. Thank God I wasn't president after 9/11. I would've nuked Afghanistan.

And now to address this "natural disaster" reference.
How many people voted to have a Hurricane decimate the Gulf Coast?:rolleyes:

Voting on it would have been useless and a waste of time. I just commanded to happen! :p

And your solution would be what? Anarchy?

Eh? I'm not offering any solution. I was just stating that that is the way it is. When you have politics, for better or worse, you get politicians.

Eh? I'm not offering any solution. I was just stating that that is the way it is. When you have politics, for better or worse, you get politicians.
That I have to agree with you on.:(

Terri Shiavo is dead...:rolleyes:

she was the brain dead woman that got her feeding tube removed:p

OMG they killed her?

And your solution would be what? Anarchy?
That's a fantasy as grand and impossible as communism.
We could use a healthy dose of minarchism, though.

OMG they killed her?

LOL

http://tschiavo.ytmnd.com/

1.) Regardless, there were WMDs in Iraq, they just weren't able to do anything from being to old.
That's like claiming the UK has a space programme because there's a couple of Apollo capsules in the British Museum.

2.) That means it has been banned? As I recall, all Bush did was stop new centers from being opened.
He's stopped them from receiving any funding. If you can do that in a capitalist society, you don't need to bother banning something.

3.) I think it has already been stated as to what Sheehan is doing. It is sick and demented, and she needs her head examined for using her son's death to gain her and her views media publicity.
She isn't, however, Terri Schiavo. I also wouldn't go so far as to dismiss her motives as mental or publicity seeking out of hand, though.

4.) In regards to Hurrican Katrina, that was actually the fastest the government has ever responded to a hurricane. And the fact it wasn't Bush's job.[QUOTE]
I didn't comment on this one. I've not mentioned the fact that he cut funding for leevee maintenance for three years running in order to bankroll his fun in Iraq, for instance.

[QUOTE]5.) Or it could be viewed as him taking a stance on something he believes in.
But the last time this was raised the Bushites were all claiming that he doesn't actually believe any of this crap and was just exploiting the religious right to get re-elected...

Cahnt, I was wondering from what country you originate?

OMG they killed her?

No, she had been dead for several years already. They just let her body go.
However, as far as the mediacircus was concerned, I couldn't agree more with Kenny from Southpark:

"If I should ever be in a vegetative state and kept alive on life support, please, for the love of God, don't ever show me in that condition on national television."

OMG they killed her?
No, that was Kenny.

Zephyrhill: the UK.

No, that was Kenny.

Zephyrhill: the UK.

Ahh that explains it. You don't have REAL football there! :p

OMG they killed her?


the debate was wheather she was already dead...

Ahh that explains it. You don't have REAL football there! :p
Quite: they don't wear body armour to play rugby here...

Quite: they don't wear body armour to play rugby here...
Now thats a perfect game. Played it myself when I was a young punk.:D

Bush: One of the Worst Disasters to Hit the U.S.

http://skynewsbush.ytmnd.com/

Agree? Disagree?

When are you all going to get over it, realize Bush won the election, and will be our President until the next election? Are we really going to have to put up with your wining and crying for the next couple of years? Get a life and go build a house for Habitat for Humanity or serve in the Peace Corps. :mad:

When are you all going to get over it, realize Bush won the election, and will be our President until the next election? Are we really going to have to put up with your wining and crying for the next couple of years? Get a life and go build a house for Habitat for Humanity or serve in the Peace Corps. :mad:

Lol! You don't get things done by doing nothing! Besides, he's super-corrupt! There are some people who don't like liars and cheaters... I dunno, maybe you've met them. They enjoy the concept of justice.

When are you all going to get over it, realize Bush won the election, and will be our President until the next election? Are we really going to have to put up with your wining and crying for the next couple of years? Get a life and go build a house for Habitat for Humanity or serve in the Peace Corps. :mad:
Right. There was no hint of pissing and moaning from Republicans about Clinton, was there?

the debate was wheather she was already dead...

Even if she was upset about her son...this is just too drastic. What have we become?

Right. There was no hint of pissing and moaning from Republicans about Clinton, was there?

That's a 3 pointer right there.

Quite: they don't wear body armour to play rugby here...

Nor do you have 350 pound rugby players.

The body armor is a necessity, not a choice.

Nor do you have 350 pound rugby players.

The body armor is a necessity, not a choice.
They are big lads, it's true.

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Fuck off and find a mod to complain to instead of whining at the evil bigoted liberals here then, there's a good boy.

Lol! You don't get things done by doing nothing! Besides, he's super-corrupt! There are some people who don't like liars and cheaters... I dunno, maybe you've met them. They enjoy the concept of justice.

So, what are you doing that is so constructive? Bashing is not constructive and neither is constant wining or crying. Instead of wasting your energy and time crying about the situation, volunteer some time to work for a candidate you think will do a better job if elected. Help them get elected.

Lol! You don't get things done by doing nothing! Besides, he's super-corrupt! There are some people who don't like liars and cheaters... I dunno, maybe you've met them. They enjoy the concept of justice.
You wouldn't know "justice" if it stood in yer face, slapped you across the chops, and said, "WTF, over! Grow the frack UP!" :p

Fuck off and find a mod to complain to instead of whining at the evil bigoted liberals here then, there's a good boy.
How very ... condescending of you. :p

You wouldn't know "justice" if it stood in yer face, slapped you across the chops, and said, "WTF, over! Grow the frack UP!" :p

YHBT lol. Unintentionally, I might add.

Fuck off and find a mod to complain to instead of whining at the evil bigoted liberals here then, there's a good boy.
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2. Bush has cut the funding for Stem Cell research at the federal level, Korea now has the lead in Stem Cell research...

What's wrong with cutting federal funding? I support stem cell research, but I don't neccessarily support government aid to programs. Doesn't matter either way to me though.

3. Your talking about Cindy Sheehan who has the right to speak her mind, unless you would deny everyone their First Amendment Rights?

he criticized her as a moron. you criticized him. does that mean you're impeding his first amendment rights? btw, for you braindead people: criticizing someone != attacking free speech


5. Bush is part of the Right Wing of the Republican Party that would be more than happy to send gays to the Death Camps.

overexaggerated bullshit. both kerry and bush were against gay marriage so how could it have been a major electoral issue anyway? btw, I love how people liken genocide to denial of marriage. real smooth there, slick.

6. The list of Anti-Science Policies starts at so-called "Intelligent" Design and ends at Stem Cell Research.

Nice try at trying to seem to cover a whole array of topics to embellish your position but you've only stated 2. ID is only in certain states, btw, the same which are probably against stem cells. ID is stupid, imo, but calling a federal policy is outright BS since I doubt any blue states will be introducing it any time soon.

Anything else from the Neo-Con patsy?

Anything else from the Stalinist liberal communist? [seeing as anything against (insert person's name here)'s views automatically = far (insert political wing) lunatic]

How very ... condescending of you. :p
If he can't find anything to say besides dismissing a whole thread that contains a few statements he disagrees with (and he can't even be arsed to specify which ones) as trolling, then he doesn't deserve any better. Posting a link to a picture is not participating in the debate, and if that's the best he can do, he has no business accusing anybody else of trolling.

Lol, I'm suprised this thread's gone this far. I made this as a joke. 7 pages already? And this is my first thread! Awesome-ness!

1. First the reason for war was "WMD" then when that didn't work it was "Connections to Terrorist" when that was debunked it was "Freeing the Iraqi People" but that is currently not working.

2. Bush has cut the funding for Stem Cell research at the federal level, Korea now has the lead in Stem Cell research...

3. Your talking about Cindy Sheehan who has the right to speak her mind, unless you would deny everyone their First Amendment Rights?

4. The Apathetic Responce of Our Government to Katrina is Unforgivable.

5. Bush is part of the Right Wing of the Republican Party that would be more than happy to send gays to the Death Camps.

6. The list of Anti-Science Policies starts at so-called "Intelligent" Design and ends at Stem Cell Research.

Anything else from the Neo-Con patsy?
I was going to respond to this as if you actually had a modicum of sense. Your last statement, however, leads me to the conclusion that it would be a total waste of time and effort. Goodbye.

If he can't find anything to say besides dismissing a whole thread that contains a few statements he disagrees with (and he can't even be arsed to specify which ones) as trolling, then he doesn't deserve any better. Posting a link to a picture is not participating in the debate, and if that's the best he can do, he has no business accusing anybody else of trolling.
I disagree with the entire thread, and I'll accuse you of trolling if I want to. And the reason I posted the picture is because it pretty much sums you up to a tee. :D

I was going to respond to this as if you actually had a modicum of sense. Your last statement, however, leads me to the conclusion that it would be a total waste of time and effort. Goodbye.
Good call! Just do what I do, and post a relevant picture describing his argument. ;)

That is what Bush thinks about Evolution.

But the Jury came back with a Guilty Verdict on Bush a LONG time ago.

Bush needs to be Impeached and removed from Office (we don't need to worry about Cheney since he will have 12 heartattacks in a row after he hears that he has to become president).

Between the Iraq War, Banning Stem-Cell Reasearch, Terri Shiavo, Katrina Responce (or the lack thereof), Homophobic policies, Anti-Science Views, and his Unwillingness to admit to so much as one IODA of being wrong. Bush doesn't even deserve to be Mayor of New Orleans much less President of the World's Last Superpower.

Go impeach Bush then Cheney becomes President and appoints a Vice President who will run for President in 2008 giving the Republicans a better chance in 2008, great Idea.

Or better yet President Cheney names a Vice President, later resigns for health reasons, the new Republican Vice President becomes President and names a new Vice President, they have time to prove themselves in office,
run for President and Vice President in 2008 and win the election, great idea.

Lets start suggesting possible candidates?

Good call! Just do what I do, and post a relevant picture describing his argument. ;)
Nahh. Not worth the effort. I've recently decided that total wasteoids are best when ignored. Heh!

Good call! Just do what I do, and post a relevant picture describing his argument. ;)

[decides against posting a picture of "tubgirl".]

Nahh. Not worth the effort. I've recently decided that total wasteoids are best when ignored. Heh!

Lol, you totally got owned Eutrusca!

Lol, you totally got owned Eutrusca!
Not in anyone's wildest dreams. Goodbye.

Bush: One of the Worst Disasters to Hit the U.S.

http://skynewsbush.ytmnd.com/

Agree? Disagree?
Damn you for not making this a multiple selection poll.

I disagree with the entire thread
Even the posts arguing that Bush is capable of wiping his own arse and a good president?

Not in anyone's wildest dreams. Goodbye.

Five bucks say you're gonna post again here LOLZ.

Go impeach Bush then Cheney becomes President and appoints a Vice President who will run for President in 2008 giving the Republicans a better chance in 2008, great Idea.

Or better yet President Cheney names a Vice President, later resigns for health reasons, the new Republican Vice President becomes President and names a new Vice President, they have time to prove themselves in office,
run for President and Vice President in 2008 and win the election, great idea.

Lets start suggesting possible candidates?
Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps?

Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps?

Both hate America, so they wouldn't run well with the conservative regiment of Americans...especially those flag-waving patriots people seem to despise.

First, maybe you should tone down the insults? Everyone has the right to their opinion here I do believe. As for your points, Most of the free world believed he had WMD's or was trying to get them. Second, I agree, he did do that and I disagree with him on that issue. Third, everyone with a brain knew who he was talking about. Fourth, You are part right. It was unsatisfactory. However there were people on the ground waiting to help. Dont argue that with me, I was there. Fifth, I wont even dignify that with an answer. And Sixth, d
you really believe he is following Chairman Mao's teachings? anti science??

I wasn't even going to make a comment in this thread, as generally I get tired of reading the long ones before I get to the end, and maybe someone already spoke to this point, and I haven't gotten that far yet... if so, I apologize.

Although it is true that many people thought he had WMD's, there was no justifiable reason for war. The UN had everything under control, and was performing weapon inspections. Some dodgy missiles were found that could exceed the allowed range when they had no warheads, and would be under the limit with a full warhead in place. Iraq agreed to disarm those missiles and was in the process when Bush decided he would be the cowboy who rode in there and smashed Iraq.
The world may have agreed with the BASIC premise of your statement, but not your implication that war was the one and only correct response. The UN was taking the correct action. The US took the wrong one.

What was the verdict for the utah(or some other state) case about people killing themselves if they have a terminal disease? I remember seeing it on the news for a while then it just vanished. Just wondering....

Shoot, nobody's tried to trash the economy yet. I was looking forward to proving them wrong, but they never came...

Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps?
What about Karl Rove or Jeb Bush? They're not busy these days. By the way Jeb is possibly the worst name I have ever heard for a human being.

What about Karl Rove or Jeb Bush? They're not busy these days. By the way Jeb is possibly the worst name I have ever heard for a human being.

It's not his real name. He's actually named "John Ellis Bush", but for some godawful reason he goes by the nickname "Jeb". He'd be more popular if he was John Ellis Bush, but...

It's not his real name. He's actually named "John Ellis Bush", but for some godawful reason he goes by the nickname "Jeb". He'd be more popular if he was John Ellis Bush, but...

John

Ellis

Bush

= JEB

John

Ellis

Bush

= JEB

Yeah, that'd make sense...how did I miss that?:confused:

It's not his real name. He's actually named "John Ellis Bush", but for some godawful reason he goes by the nickname "Jeb". He'd be more popular if he was John Ellis Bush, but...
"Jeb" is better than "Dubya", at least...

"Jeb" is better than "Dubya", at least...
Marginally. :rolleyes:

Shoot, nobody's tried to trash the economy yet. I was looking forward to proving them wrong, but they never came...

Here we go...

The economy as a whole (ignoring the record from other countries, the interest from which will suck resources like Monica Lewi...nevermind,) is chugging along fine.

The rich/poor gap? Not so hot.

Poverty levels? Nothing to brag about.

I like the poll options...

I like the poll options...
:rolleyes:

What about Karl Rove or Jeb Bush? They're not busy these days. By the way Jeb is possibly the worst name I have ever heard for a human being.

Guess what? I used to work with a guy named Jeb.

Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps?

President Jeb Bush, he proves hismself, runs for President in 2008 wins the election and avenges the family name, great idea, Viva Bush.

Guess what? I used to work with a guy named Jeb.
I doubt it was the same chap.

First of all, like it or not he IS the Pres until he A. performs an act of treason, B. lies under oath, or C. does something illegal. THen he gets impeached, by which i mean brought to trial, and if there is enough evidence against him, then he can be removed from office. So far he hasn't done any of these things.

Second of all
1. Iraq war was started because the US intelligence and the UN intelligence showed that Iraq did have WMD's, then when no conclusive evidence was found, it was a link to Al Qeda,, but by that time we had already entered so we had to come up with a new reason. Finally, the reason is to give the Iraqi people their freedom, which in the US DOI, it says, that whenever a ruler stops listening to the needs of the people and rules through tyranny, it is the peoples job to overthrow that government and create better lives for themselves. Finally, the only reason Iraq has not been invaded before was because during Bush Sr.'s time, there was no "good way' to exit Iraq, and that is what the big deal is right now, we've been in way too long and we can't get out, yadda yadda yadda. Personally, I like Preemptive strikes, hurt them before they hurt you, if Iraq had any WMD's, who do you think they would be aimed at? I'd rather get rid of Saddam before he could do that, because he has proved that he would be that cruel.

Wow, long speech there... next one coming up

2. Stem Cell Research has not been banned, but I don't know much more about that.

3.
A. Terri Schiavo was the woman who had no control of any of her body including thoughts who was that way for 20 freaking years, if she wasnt cured before she wouldn't get better now, she should have been put out of her misery. But it was not Bush who started the whole, keep her alive... It was Terri's PARENTS who wanted to keep her alive, so in order to get that done, they would have to appeal to Congress, or if it was a court order, the Supreme Court, the President just Passes or Vetos laws, or bring a idea to the Congress, he cant just say "I feel like making a new law" then presto its a law, he has to get it approved by Congress.
B. Cindy Sheehan(probably spelled wrong) is a raving lunatic who wants attention. Plus now all the Bush Haters have a rallying point in her because she is the most notable case against "Bush's Policies" and there is talk of nominating her for President for next elections.

4. Katrina was the fault of the head guy at i forget where but he was the cause of the late response to Katrina. Second, Why build homes in a Known Hurricane zone???? The Government gets all the flak for the response, but what about the people who built the homes there and decided to live there in the first case?? They are as much at fault as the Gov't

5. Yes, first term Bush wanted an Ammendment passed dissallowing Gay Marriage, which personally, i am fine with same-sex marriage, i agree with the one poster that it is creepy but on the other hand, they cant add to the population problem.

6. The Government cannot control the School system directly. It can pass laws regarding things that must be taught, IE math, social studies, english, science. but the choice of teaching Intelligent Design, Evolution, and Creationism is up to the school system in the individual states. but other than that, my knowledge of any "Anti-Science" arguments or platforms is little to none.


Wow, got that off my chest. If you are going to argue against something, at least have all the facts. US History in HS is great for learning all the technical crap about what the president can and can't do and how he is impeached.

*Sits back and waits for the people arguing against my points*

Btw
:gundge:
Cindy Sheehan :sniper:

:fluffle: <=== Gay Marriage :eek:

I am sick of all the i hate Bush because of *Insert whatever that isn't actually Bush's fault here* makes me want to :headbang: