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Hello everybody, im europa alpha and im a Bolshevik :) i'd bet my bottom dollar that If it werent for propaganda half of you wouldnt have cringed just then. The fact is that Propaganda is a good solid step toward a One party state, and as such is against the principles of the majority of people on the planet. (Apart from Bolsheviks ;p) And it not only affects those who view the propaganda, but there children. and there children. and it can take generations to be rid of it, either that or a Massive event. So... should propaganda be legal on ANY platform?

What defines Propaganda?

"Should ANY sort of propaganda be Illegal?"

The problem here is that one man's propaganda is another man's gospel truth. You'll never get agreement.

Propaganda's just another weapon in the war of ideas, and the war of ideas should be fought as viciously as possible.

Propoganda is defined as in a Political Campaign for or against a certain thing while slagging off EXCESSIVELY the opposistion.

Would banning propaganda include things like advertising, or the expression of a personal view concerning preferences?

I'm not affected, i mean look at the liberal media... am i liberal? no.

yeah some kinds of propaganda should be illegal

im not fond of paying taxes so the government can spend my money to lie to me about stuff that if i knew the truth i wouldnt agree with.

Propoganda should not be illegal, no: Doctor Mabuse was one of the best singles of the '80s, and most of the rest of A Secret Wish isn't much worse. Wonderful band.

I believe in free speech, so...

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You mean that stuff?

No i mean. RED EMPIRE! UNcle sam needs YOU!.
Communism is Bad. Because we say say, VOTE REPUBLICAN! and shoot some reds. ect

I read a study that all people who post about propaganda on this forum are communists and traitors to their countries, and therefore should not be trusted.






BLATANT PROPAGANDA!

Yeh, i know! i already said. BOLSHEVIK!

Propoganda is defined as in a Political Campaign for or against a certain thing while slagging off EXCESSIVELY the opposistion.

But again the question arises as to who or what decides what is excessive and to what extent is any political campaign in favor of a particular candidate or action, under that definition, not propoganda?

I believe in free speech, and that extends to the government.

I would also like to pose another question regarding propaganda.

Should the government be allowed to REQUIRE newspapers to print certain things? I don't mean control the newspapers, just say "You are required to put this in your paper." The paper would say that "This is from the government, not the newspaper."

I suppose it would violate laws regarding government control of commerce, but not the First Amendment.

Its up to you to define propoganda, and then decide if it is right, ofcourse by the IDea of propoganda nobody can actually think it RIGHT without being a patriot. *twitches and looks to a Country beggining with UNITED, just south of canada*

Should the government be allowed to REQUIRE newspapers to print certain things? I don't mean control the newspapers, just say "You are required to put this in your paper." The paper would say that "This is from the government, not the newspaper."

I suppose it would violate laws regarding government control of commerce, but not the First Amendment.

It would violate the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Freedom of speech includes the right to not speak. Edit: nevermind the gross violation of the 4th and 5th Amendments.

Yes, they should, because free speech extends itself naturally to the goverment

No i mean. RED EMPIRE! UNcle sam needs YOU!.
Communism is Bad. Because we say say, VOTE REPUBLICAN! and shoot some reds. ect
Mmh. While Germany has indeed produced some of the craziest propaganda, especially in posters and movies I'm not a real fan of its purpose.

I prefer the real, unbiased information to form my own picture. But that only means I admire the way propaganda is produced without falling for it and then look into the matter to form my own opinion.

I'm not affected, i mean look at the liberal media... am i liberal? no.

Look at the rabid religious fundamentalism and the jingoistic patriotism... are you a conservative? yes.

technically any piece of media which is biased towards a paticular view point is propaganda.

so the only pieces of the media which really don't fall under this are the very best pieces of scientific writing which are rather dry reading (trust me i'm a scientist)

technically any piece of media which is biased towards a paticular view point is propaganda.


To be biased towards a particular view point is nothing more than to have an opinion. Everyone, including scientists, have and express opinions.

None of the choices fit my opinion: It's impossible to point at something and cry, "Propaganda!"

Technically, you can say that anything on these forums is propaganda, as they all support one side against another. I would rather call that free speech and discourse. Basically, the only way to define propaganda is as 'opinons stated other than yours to the masses,' as people who agree with it won't call if propaganda.

Side note: I recoil from the word Bolshevik, but not out of propaganda. Bolsheviks are followers of a brand of Marxism (which involves violent revolution, something that I despise) that claims that the revolution can start in an agricultural state (which the US isn't, so I don't know why you're following that particular brand here), and that advocates the creation of a dictatorship of the proletariat after the revolution (which human nature turns into a dictatorship of the party leaders). I just think that Bolshevism is a particularly bad idea.

Amen to that. Bolshevism = Akin to Nazism.

Anyway wait I wanted to post more, but I gotta go help Uncle Sam kill a few Red Bastards and save the world, and bang the Chick :sniper:

I'm not affected, i mean look at the liberal media... am i liberal? no.
We'll get you...
*turns your t.v on to CNN*
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Amen to that. Bolshevism = Akin to Nazism.

Anyway wait I wanted to post more, but I gotta go help Uncle Same kill a few Red Bastards :sniper:

Erm, not really. Bolshevism calls for socialism- far too extreme leftist economic policies. By contrast, fascism and National Socialism (despite the name of the latter- that was just meant to make it look good to the workers) favored extreme rightist economic policies, siding with industrialists and entrepeneurs over workers.

The both suck as far as authoritarianism goes, but their economic policies are opposite.

Im not from the US. And im glad you are read up on Bolshevism, instead of "ARGHH! bolshevik!" "Whats wrong with that?" "Arggh! Commie!" sorta thing, i respect your opinion greatly therefore.

any way you've got it slightly confused as to what bolshevism is

there as splits in the left wing movement

one of these was between the people who wanted to side with the middle classes and have a capitalist parlimentary democratic state (the menchavics (spelt wrong but thats because I can't spell)) and the people who wanted a revolution to bring about rule by the workers and democratic socialism (the bolshevics))

now later there were other splits between the ones who wanted a continuation of war communism and also socialism in one country (stalinists) and the internationalists (trotskyists)

unfortuently the stalinists won in russia (and trotsky got a ice pick to the back of the head)

What is it with this constant revolution and killing , I mean do you even respect yourself anymore? If you have to kill 40 million in Gulag camps inorder that people don't just revert back to old ways, or Moa's killing, or Pol Pot, I mean Jeez, you claim to be fighting for the workers, but so far you just killed any worker who sayed boo. IT is a farce in itself, I mean, if you have to have a bloody war and fight inorder to instate it and shipmillions off to be killed, you are not working for the interest of the people. At least in Capitalism we don't have to mass murder, pillage, genocide, and rape our country dry inorder to server the people, if there are any left mind you after your finished.
Fact = Communism has failed, I don't give a rats ass if it was true or not true communism, it called itself communism, we see the result, High standards of living in the West, a healthy Middle Class, and ex-communist countries have nothing are dead poor, that is how people will see it.

Anyone who still believes in Communism is an idealistic foel, who needs to face reality.

Propoganda could also be considered expressing freedom of speach.