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Who is the best captain in the Star Trek series and who is the worst. I have to go old school on this and go with Captain Kirk. He was a swash buckling, woman doing superstud with a quick mind and some humanitarianism. Captain Picard is a close runner up as he is the ultimate philospher king. I dislike Janeway the most. Not because she was a woman but because her voice was pretty whiney. Maybe if she had done Chakote I might think differently.

And I know people hate dredging up old strings but in one from a long time ago it was voted that Han Solo (circa 1977) would kick Kirk's ass (circa 1966). I still think Kirk would win. :mad:

And I know people hate dredging up old strings but in one from a long time ago it was voted that Han Solo (circa 1977) would kick Kirk's ass (circa 1966). I still think Kirk would win. :mad:

Yeah, Solo would definately have OMG WTF PWNED Kirk back into the Third World War, and then some. Best captain ever?

Sulu. Then Picard.

picard is the best captain but sisco is the best lead. he didnt spend enough time BEING captain to count as best.

Yeah, Solo would definately have OMG WTF PWNED Kirk back into the Third World War, and then some. Best captain ever?

Sulu. Then Picard.
pffft kirk woulda kicked solo's ass. he wasnt just a pretty face you know. he had plenty of hand-to-hand fighting skills.

pffft kirk woulda kicked solo's ass. he wasnt just a pretty face you know. he had plenty of hand-to-hand fighting skills.

So, he had an awesome blaster, and the Falcon! Did you see what he did to Greedo? OWN3D! Not even a blink.

I'd love to see Kirk do that...

I love Picard, but Kirk is the original. He may seem a little silly and over exagerrated at times, but I think he's the top dog. But Picard is a close second. Followed by Sisko.

(BTW, you mispelled Sisko. Sisco is some hip hop guy. DS9 is Benjamin Sisko.)

Yeah, Solo would definately have OMG WTF PWNED Kirk back into the Third World War, and then some. Best captain ever?

Sulu. Then Picard.
If you're going to dredge bit captain parts up then we'd have to bring Captain Spock into it. As well as the captain that was caught in the time warp played by Kelsey Grammar. For that matter what about the cool Klingon Captain in Star Trek III played by Christopher Lloyd. As far as Klingon captains go he was one of the best. Best Klingon General would have to be Christopher Plummer's general in Star Trek VI.

(BTW, you mispelled Sisko. Sisco is some hip hop guy. DS9 is Benjamin Sisko.)
DOH!!! I hope I don't have to turn in my captain's dots. :)

If you're going to dredge bit captain parts up then we'd have to bring Captain Spock into it. As well as the captain that was caught in the time warp played by Kelsey Grammar. For that matter what about the cool Klingon Captain in Star Trek III played by Christopher Lloyd. As far as Klingon captains go he was one of the best. Best Klingon General would have to be Christopher Plummer's general in Star Trek VI.

Picard is the best, no doubt. Though Sulu is the shit. And you can't deny...

The Borg Queen is a pretty cool captain too.

(BTW, you mispelled Sisko. Sisco is some hip hop guy. DS9 is Benjamin Sisko.)

BTW, you spelled his name wrong. His name is Sisqo, not Sisco ;).

Picard was the best Captain. If my life depended on it, whose orders would I follow first, Picard or Kirk? Picard.

The Captain I'd least like to piss off? Sisko.

The Captain who would be the best to pick alien chick scraps from? Kirk.

What there can be no debate about is that Archer sucked ass and was the worst. Bakula was entirely unbelievable when he was pissed off, and came off awkward at all other times (which is a shame, because I liked Bakula in Quantum Leap.) The guy who played Tripp would have been a much better Archer (he and the doctor were the only decent actors on Enterprise.)

Picard is the best, no doubt. Though Sulu is the shit. And you can't deny...

The Borg Queen is a pretty cool captain too.
I'd sleep with her again!!!!

Jim Kirk will never be equalled, just as Bill Shatner never will be, either.

JIM........KIRK........RULES

I'd sleep with her again!!!!

Wouldn't we all...

Mr. "Make it so" Picard.

Although nothing beats Kirk fighting invisible death rays *squirms*.

And I really liked Archer as well.

I'd sleep with her again!!!!
Ooh yeah, baby! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/borg2.gif

BTW, you spelled his name wrong. His name is Sisqo, not Sisco ;).
Uhm. No, it surely is Sisko: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/DS9/cast/69054.html

Picard, definitely. The decision to bring Patrick Stewart into the captain's chair raised the bar of expectations so high that nobody else was going to even come close. It was like taking the CEO of a large corporation and giving him the job of managing a McDonalds.

As far as Kirk goes, the description of "swaggering tin-plated dictator with delusions of grandeur" suits him well.

Sisko? Now there's a complicated situation. Trying to juggle the roles of starfleet captain, Bajoran messiah, and father gave his character unexpected depth. DS9 as a series was as far away from TOS as the series went, and it's a good thing.

Janeway and Archer? Definitely two captains that always seemed that they were in way over their heads and just had to muck about until things turned out the way they wanted them to. TBH, I can identify with them more because that's normally how I feel.

I like Sisko best, then Janeway. My favourite shows were Voyager, then DS9. I could take or leave the other shows and Captains (but Picard could take me any day).
I'm weird, I know, but I really don't get the appeal of TOS or TNG.:confused:

Uhm. No, it surely is Sisko: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/DS9/cast/69054.html

lol, the rapper's name.

I had to go with Janeway (partly because she is my daughter's namesake) but, I found her fair, intelligent and a good role model. She was tough, and didn't let her emotions cloud her judgement. I esp. loved her in the first season of Voyager, she was awesome. :D

I like Sisko best, then Janeway. My favourite shows were Voyager, then DS9. I could take or leave the other shows and Captains (but Picard could take me any day).
I'm weird, I know, but I really don't get the appeal of TOS or TNG.:confused:
I never could get into DS9, it seemed boring to me, my 4 year old is into it, and I did like the episode where they went back to "the trouble with tribbles" it was pretty cool.

I like TNG, but not as much as Voyager, I like the episodes with temporal abnormalities, I like the paradoxes they make me think, I esp liked Q. (TNG had a few with him too, and those were cool.)

As far as TOS, I think it is my 2 year old's favorite, she has had this thing for Kirk since she was in the womb though, something about his voice. (she does an awesome impression " I......have.....to go.....potty....." sounds just like him:p )

Kirk rules, no question. I'll give Kate Mulgrew as Janeway the nod for a close second. Having made up for much lost time and hiring some good writers before the very end, I'll slip Bakula as Archer neatly in third. Now... drawing up the rear, and a distant fourth: Stewart's Picard.

*sighs*

I have no time for Picard's persistent decision-by-commitee crapola, though. It was weak, needlessly so. The Next Gen take on Trek seemed so damnably... neutered, somehow. Everybody and his monkey seemed... I dunno, sorta plastic and irritatingly self-fulfilled. But the first sequel program to TNG, Deep Space Nine, is best summed up in one word:

Turgid.

Yep, turgid. The problem was rooted in the underlying premise: a floating backwater serves as the focal point for melodrama-in-makeup, essentially a prime-time soap opera set against the backdrop of the Star Trek universe. The guy who played 51skO was so wooden you could've built a bridge out of him. The Bajoran woman's character wasn't likeable; Miles O'Brien's wife mutated into a whinging harpy - somewhere in there I lost track of her, but by then most of attention was instead upon the truly groundbreaking series Babylon 5.

The most charismatic and credible character was Armin Shimmerman as Quark, the Ferengi barkeep. That aside, the interminably dull Odo made me want to fling feces at the screen. How was I supposed to empathize with an officious thug made of snot, anyway?

I was long aware that DS:9 was somewhat of an anomaly - Paramount having chosen to develop a Trek franchise as a direct response to what they perceived as a threat to their venerable old cash cow: J. Michael Straczynski's Babylon 5, produced by Warner Bros. I'd never before heard of a series created as a stopgap measure, overtly designed and written to keep a merchandising empire afloat in the midsts of a clever upstart production.

I've heard from people who claim DS:9 was the best of the Trek series. But usually they'll talk up all the things I loathe as strengths. I mean - I like Star Trek, dig? With the flying rubber puke and the ambassador you can't look at and the little blue aliens made of felt & pipe cleaners and everything. If you can't dig that, how can you watch a soap opera pretending be Star Trek and say it's the cat's ass?

It's beyond me.

Who is the best captain in the Star Trek series and who is the worst. I have to go old school on this and go with Captain Kirk. He was a swash buckling, woman doing superstud with a quick mind and some humanitarianism. Captain Picard is a close runner up as he is the ultimate philospher king. I dislike Janeway the most. Not because she was a woman but because her voice was pretty whiney. Maybe if she had done Chakote I might think differently.

And I know people hate dredging up old strings but in one from a long time ago it was voted that Han Solo (circa 1977) would kick Kirk's ass (circa 1966). I still think Kirk would win. :mad:

I'm glad no one said Archer, that dude was sweet in Quantum Leap, but he's the one-ply ass wipe of the Star Trek captains.

I couldn't make up my mind between Kirk and Picard, so I did eemy meeny and so Picard takes the cake.

The kids demand a 'Captain Pike' option.

Picard, no doubt about it.

Kirk was a great captain, but I'd hate to be paired up with him in a fleet.

Kirk rules, no question. I'll give Kate Mulgrew as Janeway the nod for a close second. Having made up for much lost time and hiring some good writers before the very end, I'll slip Bakula as Archer neatly in third. Now... drawing up the rear, and a distant fourth: Stewart's Picard.

*sighs*

I have no time for Picard's persistent decision-by-commitee crapola, though. It was weak, needlessly so. The Next Gen take on Trek seemed so damnably... neutered, somehow. Everybody and his monkey seemed... I dunno, sorta plastic and irritatingly self-fulfilled. But the first sequel program to TNG, Deep Space Nine, is best summed up in one word:

Turgid.

Yep, turgid. The problem was rooted in the underlying premise: a floating backwater serves as the focal point for melodrama-in-makeup, essentially a prime-time soap opera set against the backdrop of the Star Trek universe. The guy who played 51skO was so wooden you could've built a bridge out of him. The Bajoran woman's character wasn't likeable; Miles O'Brien's wife mutated into a whinging harpy - somewhere in there I lost track of her, but by then most of attention was instead upon the truly groundbreaking series Babylon 5.

The most charismatic and credible character was Armin Shimmerman as Quark, the Ferengi barkeep. That aside, the interminably dull Odo made me want to fling feces at the screen. How was I supposed to empathize with an officious thug made of snot, anyway?

I was long aware that DS:9 was somewhat of an anomaly - Paramount having chosen to develop a Trek franchise as a direct response to what they perceived as a threat to their venerable old cash cow: J. Michael Straczynski's Babylon 5, produced by Warner Bros. I'd never before heard of a series created as a stopgap measure, overtly designed and written to keep a merchandising empire afloat in the midsts of a clever upstart production.

I've heard from people who claim DS:9 was the best of the Trek series. But usually they'll talk up all the things I loathe as strengths. I mean - I like Star Trek, dig? With the flying rubber puke and the ambassador you can't look at and the little blue aliens made of felt & pipe cleaners and everything. If you can't dig that, how can you watch a soap opera pretending be Star Trek and say it's the cat's ass?

It's beyond me.
ds9 is by far the best star trek series. mostly because they didnt exist in some kind of future utopia where all problems had been solved. there were times when they actually had to hurry in order to solve a problem!

I had to think hard about this one. Kirk was a no-brainer - I've never liked William Shatner, and Kirk was always so bloody full of himself. And as for Archer, well, I kind of dropped out of ST:Enterprise after the first season.

But making me choose between Picard, Janeway and Sisko - that's just mean. While TNG was somewhat blander than the later shows, Patrick Stewart gave Picard a definite presence. And who could resist that shiny bald pate? Sisko was considerably grittier, and I loved the added dimensions it gave him as a character. Janeway was a wonderful female role model, and I fell in love with her Katherine Hepburn voice.

Hmm... let me think about it a bit longer before I vote...

Your all a bunch of racists...................the only choices are federation captains.

Your all a bunch of racists...................the only choices are federation captains.
Yeah well the pitch for "Battlecruiser Vengeance" didn't sell with Paramount. Neither did Sulu Trek, nor did the sitcom idea for "Listening Post Morskva". They got close with the "Temporal Starfleet" idea, that was definitely a launching-off point for another (and really, probably final) Trek franchise. Mercifully undeveloped was the Lwaxana Troi Show pitch.

I'd like seeing some form of comprehensive "Atlas" of Trek, with locations, descriptions and multimedia reference material pertaining to different Trek species and cultures. Y'know, 'cause I'm such a geek I'd actually consult the thing.

*sigh*.

Picard. God, could that man lead. And no matter how much deferment he put to committee ruling and the views of his officers (as if asking opinions is such a bad thing), when it came down to it Picard kicked ass, and kicked it hard. The Romulans, the Borg, even Q, whoever, Picard held his own when it counted. Unlike, say, Kirk. Who ran around with his big guns and needed Spock to fish his ass out of most situations.

Besides, the man was assimilated by Borg, tortured by Cardassians, had his heart destroyed by Nausicaans, and had to put up with... dear Lord... Lwaxana Troi and Wesley Crusher for SEVEN friggin seasons. Anyone who handles that is worthy of my vote.

Yeah well the pitch for "Battlecruiser Vengeance" didn't sell with Paramount. Neither did Sulu Trek, nor did the sitcom idea for "Listening Post Morskva". They got close with the "Temporal Starfleet" idea, that was definitely a launching-off point for another (and really, probably final) Trek franchise. Mercifully undeveloped was the Lwaxana Troi Show pitch.

I'd like seeing some form of comprehensive "Atlas" of Trek, with locations, descriptions and multimedia reference material pertaining to different Trek species and cultures. Y'know, 'cause I'm such a geek I'd actually consult the thing.

*sigh*.

I'd keep such a book on my coffee (I just watched the most amazing documentary about the power of coffee, but that is for another thread) as it would make an amazing conversation starter.

I voted for Janeway because I like her style of command....and she is the one I would feel most comfortable with in a sexual situation. Of course, Kes and Seven of Nine were hotter but.....I will stop there.

If they were shouting conflicting orders at me in the middle of a firefight, I am fairly certain I would follow Captain Picard. He's ahead by a long shot in that area.

As far as "coolest" goes, I'd say Picard wins it again, although by a much slimmer margin. Sisko would be his biggest competitor.

I can also understand a vote for Kirk, although it requires a bit of a different perspective on Star Trek.

What I don't understand is why anyone would vote for Janeway. I strongly dislike the entire Voyager series, and her most of all. I think they tried to make her into too much of a bad-ass, and it came out seeming forced. I also detest Chakotay and his lame pseudo-spiritualism, as well as the mildly irritating half-klingon engineer and the totally insufferable talaxian. The Doctor is just about the only one truly worth salvaging from the whole series, as far as I can tell. Also, Voyager seemed to be feeding on the refuse of TNG's old plotlines - the "time warp", "fused relays; o noez", and "omg! a wormhole" plotlines were overused to the point of exhaustion. That, and I will forever remember Voyager as the series that ruined the Borg.

Of course, The Next Generation had its own annoying characters - Boy Wonder (Wesley) being first on the list, followed closely by his mother. (Note: If you include Pulaski in this little contest, she goes straight to the top of the list.)

DS9, too, brings a number of disappointments. I would mention Kira (who seems to be the model for Janeway's forced I'm-a-badass-female-ism) and possibly Odo, though he doesn't annoy me as much as he seems to bother most other fans. I did like Bashir, though, as well as Quark and Garak (Garak was definitely cool).

Enterprise, again, suffers from a poor captain. I'm not sure what it is, but something just doesn't seem right - I guess I just don't like Archer. Trip would have been a better choice, as was already mentioned.


As for Captain Sulu, I'd say he definitely has potential - but we only see him once. I'll never forget his famous "Fly her apart then!" comment on the bridge of the Excelsior, but he really can't get entered into the competition on the basis of a minor role in one movie.

The best alien captain would, in my opinion, be Gul Dukat, followed by Tomalak (whose rank escapes me at the moment).

Despite my undying love for Scott Bakula, I chose Sisko. Mostly because over the course of six seasons he went from looking kinda dopey, then shaving the head, then the totally bad-ass goatee that just screams "I'm the Emmisary, mutha fucka! Strraight outta D-S-Nizzine!

While not being quite the Trekkie geek as many of those on this forum, I am going to vote myself for Picard. He had a certain presence that just said, "I am your leader, listen and heed." And I would. If he said, "Shoot Data." I think I would without a thought because Picard definitely has a good reason for telling me such.

Kirk was, as mentioned before, a guns blarin' idiot who often got himself stuck in situations where Spock had to rescue him. Beyond that, what's with the movie where they go back in time to rescue a whale? I think Kirk is a little nuts and very slow.

Janeway, I don't much remember Voyager's series other than they were stuck out in the middle of no-where and it would take too long to get back home. I'm not sure why they didn't just... warp the whole damn way, but that could have been explained and I've forgotten. Tuvak was the only character I remember liking at all, just 'cause I'm a Vulcan fan.

I couldn't stand Enterprise at all. Too annoying, the humans were idiots. And while it's understandable their ignorance, they just were plain not smart. It just bored me right to tears.

DS9 was, I do say, all right. I had a little crush on the one woman with the spots on her head (horrible memory with names). And I liked Odo's little morphing ability, but he was too drab for me. And Quark was just awesome and funny. I did like Sisko.

All in all, I have to go Picard, Sisko, Kirk, Janeway, Archer. Out of the main ones. I didn't get to see Sulu's little run as Captain, which episodes/movie is it? I would gladly watch it/them. And Spock was, of course, the greatest.

I think another excellent question would be, "Who was your favorite Star Trek character ever?"

Then I would go with Q. Anyone else?

Picard. Though Sisko is second.

Janeway was intresting during seasons 1-3, but then she started having a mental breakdown every third episode, spent more time with 7 of 9 then she did thinking over what to do when her ship was in trouble, demotes Paris for breaking the Prime Directive only to admit to doing it the next episode, and in the future would rather save 150 people then billions when given the option to get Voyager home or blow up the Borg transwarp node.

Kirks fun, but wouldn't want to serve under him. They'd put me in a red shirt...

Archer has a record when it comes to keeping crew members alive, but can't forgive him for stuffing that one guy into the airlock in Anomaly and not doing the same to Rajiin in Rajiin.

Argh...again we reveal my geekness!!! :p

1. Sisko - I really liked the set up of the character...a widowed father with a teenage son. That really gave the series a lot of flexibility in how they could develop Sisko as a character. Add in the whole Emissary deal, and his later-in-the-series relationship with Cassidy Yates (I think thats the name), and I think you have a better developed character than almost any other in the ST universe, with the possible exception of Data.

My two favorite moments were, of course, Sisko slugging Q...and also the episode where it turns out Eddington is with the Maquis (the ONE episode where they tried the stupid hologram for communications so the person your talking to is standing right in front of you)...Sisko really shines in that episode.

And the rest...I'm not going on a rant for them.

2. Picard
3. Kirk
4. Janeway
5. Archer (never saw a single episode, and I'm proud of that fact)

I voted Sisko because he managed to survive the chaos of DS9, being the Bajoran emmissary and the Dominion w/o getting a nervous breakdown like PIcard always does.
However Jean-Luc is my 2nd fav. because he could overcome many grizzly situations BY HIMSELF. Kirk always needed Spock, McCoy, and half a dozen red shirts. Janeway and Archer are just to unspeakable for me to even go there.

You people aren't Star Trek fans. You're soap opera mavens.

Who the hell voted for Archer. He can't walk in front of a camera without getting the shit kicked out of him.

Well, I can't say that the captains (or commanders, depending on when you are) were my favorite characters on any particular series. Kirk was the only one even in my top three, really.

Let's see - TOS, "Bones" McCoy. Obviously. My favorite character in the entire history of Star Trek (and probably one of the most quotable). Scotty takes second (yeah, I know. RIP, DeForrest and James =(). Kirk takes third mostly because I didn't like Spock at all.

TNG -- Barclay. If you thought it would be anyone else on that ship, stick your head in a bucket. Riker takes second because he played the trombone, and that's kickass. Blah, come to think about it, Picard takes third by default just because everyone else on that series was so incredibly unlikable.

DS9 -- Quark, of course, takes top billing. Garak and Bashir are in second and third place by virute in starring in THE MOST AWESOME episode of Star Trek EVER. (I never thought anything would ever displace "City on the Edge of Forever". Then I saw "Our Man Bashir". Holy God, that episode ruled.) Sisko (or rather his actor) annoyed me horridly - I mean, my god, how can people say that Shatner has unusual speech patterns after they've listened to Avery Brooks?

VOY -- Holodoc, Holodoc, Holodoc. The only person in the history of Star Trek that gave Bones a serious run for his money as the best doctor (and, in my case, the best character). I kind of liked Tom Paris, depending on the episode (he was really good in that one where they had a race. Sucked at other times.) Neelix was funny, in sort of a "Gilligan's Island" sort of way.

ENT -- I think I maybe watched ten episodes of "Enterprise." Scott Bakula, as has been mentioned, gets major props for "Quantum Leap" but I hated him every second his was on screen. Reed had a cool accent, which got him points (and put him in first as the only one to get ANY points at all). I hated Trip less than the rest of the crew and could tolerate Archer's beagle Porthos.

Well, I suppose that Picard and Kirk are tied by that system, then. Kirk had tougher competition (I actually probably quote "is a Russian inwention!" and "shields up, Keptin!" more than any line on TNG), but Picard had the disadvantage of having his performace sucked down by the black hole of crappiness known as the Crusher family. (seriously, who would want to make it with a woman who gave birth to the greatest, most whiney evil the galaxy has ever known? I can only blame that faux pas on the writers)

We're left to judge by quotablity. I do say "make it so!" and "engage!" on occasion, but I quote Kirk far, far more. I mean, if someone says "Engage!", they MAY not be referencing Picard on purpose. If someone says "KHAAAAAAAAN!", you know instantly what they're quoting. And, of course, the single Star Trek line I quote most often is "I've never trusted Klingons and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy." Replace 'Klingons' with whatever you don't trust, and off you go!

So, yeah. Kirk =D

Picard, by a long shot.

He was the quintessential Starfleet captain. Intelligent, rational, compassionate, cultured, and always seemed to handle every situation much better than his counterparts. Which is due, probably, both to the actor, and to the fact TNG was the epitomy of the Trek spirit. (TOS was interfered with too much, and Roddenberry didn't have free reign; DS9 and VOY made some valient attempts, and there are some very good episodes in both series, but nothing to top TNG as a whole).

Sisko never really had the opportunity to show his potential as a Starfleet commanding officer. It's hard to be an explorer when you're stuck in one place and there's a war going on.

Janeway... was mentally unhinged. She bordered on psychotic at times. It's questionable whether she was even fit for command.

I mean, my god, how can people say that Shatner has unusual speech patterns after they've listened to Avery Brooks?


Hehe... That's true, and isn't said often enough. ;)

i like voyager (favourite series) but its not janeway.

pickard > janeway > sisco > kirk > archer (:rolleyes: )

Hans Solo and Jack O'Neil

Hans Solo and Jack O'Neil

Psst... It's "Han". If you want to make a point, try not to make yourself look silly in the process.

-snip-

hmm interesting... ok now my turn! :P


TOS: Scotty, definatley. "Repairing the ship is easy. Reading klingon, that's hard" :p
"oh and admiral, i replaced the klingon food packs. they were giving me a sour stomach" hehehe
and the ever classic "hello computer" bit (in case you can't tell i like star trek 4 :D)
then again chekov is cool
not too fond of Kirk's style (pickard rules!)


TNG: Riker! he's so cool! he's a dirty bastard and has a cool beard... what more could you want :P
closely followed by Pickard and then Data
i like Worf too cos they take the piss out of him a lot ;)


DS9: Quark though i *almost* began to like odo.
not too hot on the whole series tho


VOY: my favourite series and i like all the characters in it, but the Doctor stands out as the best, most likeable, and certainly the funniest (with Paris shortly behind)
i think it was "message in a bottle" where the Doc gets sent over the hirojan com network onto the USS Promethius... he has to work with the new edition of himself and that is such a funny episode! "stop breathing down my neck" "my breath is merely a holographic simulation" "so is my neck, stop it anyway." hehehe :p
"you really should write this all down in your personal log. why bore others needlessly?"


ENT: crappy, didn't like any of the characters at all

I would have picked Sisko, but then I remember that he deserted service to join that Bajoran cult.

Picard it is.

Psst... It's "Han". If you want to make a point, try not to make yourself look silly in the process.
no i have been randomly adding extra ssss to my posts for the last 2 hours thank you very much.

Beyond that, what's with the movie where they go back in time to rescue a whale?

hey that movie was good... i like it :(


I'm not sure why they didn't just... warp the whole damn way, but that could have been explained and I've forgotten.

yes the explaination there is that at warp it would still have taken them around 70 years to get home


I had a little crush on the one woman with the spots on her head (horrible memory with names).
Dax (one of them... there were two actresses in different series)
the hot one was the first one imo (Jadzea Dax if i remember right)

I didn't get to see Sulu's little run as Captain, which episodes/movie is it?
hmm good point... anyone got any clues? i can picture it but i can't place it :headbang:

Then I would go with Q. Anyone else?
heh, Q rules!!
maybe not my top favourite ST character ever, but he's sure in my top 5 :)

(in case you can't tell i like star trek 4 :D)

Aye, Star Trek IV is definately my favorite of the lot, too. I even liked Spock in it (especially his 'colorful metaphors' -- "Pardon me, doctor, but they are not the hell your whales." haha. Everyone had awesome moments in that film - Bones in the modern hospital, Kirk and his retort to the cabbie, Chekov and the "nuklear wessels in Al-ah-mee-dah", Sulu and the wipers on the Huey. An awesome movie by all accounts =)

Aye, Star Trek IV is definately my favorite of the lot, too. I even liked Spock in it (especially his 'colorful metaphors' -- "Pardon me, doctor, but they are not the hell your whales." haha. Everyone had awesome moments in that film - Bones in the modern hospital, Kirk and his retort to the cabbie, Chekov and the "nuklear wessels in Al-ah-mee-dah", Sulu and the wipers on the Huey. An awesome movie by all accounts =)
it is a great movie! its decent star trek, with some real values and a great sense of humour :p
it also makes a nice break cos the other movies are often so devoid of comedy ;)

but sadly, not many trekkies seem to like it :(
its you and me against the world!

Tough call between Janeway and Picard.

Based on quantity as well as qaulity, I'd have to lean towards Picard.

hmm good point... anyone got any clues? i can picture it but i can't place it :headbang:

Star Trek VI (the Undiscovered Country). Sulu was the captain of the Excelsior. He had some decently awesome quotes - "Fly her apart, then!" has already been mentioned and "Target that explosion and fire" was pretty awesome. And, of course, "Let's give them something else to shoot at!"

And, of course, "Let's give them something else to shoot at."
heh i remember that (ok sulu's cool :D)

*goes off to watch star trek 6*

Picard is no 1!!!

Archer is gayest capitan of all time. I dont think that i need tell you why.

time for another question: which is you favourite ST movie?

me, first contact wins hands down
but i do love ST 4 :p

(and kudos to star trek the motion picture cos Lt. Ilia was hot ;))

Wasn't there an episode of Voyager where some random time-space anomaly (there's a lot of them about :p ) sent Janeway back to the Excelsior at a time when Sulu was in command?

I don't remember the overall premise of the episode though...so I couldn't even say if Sulu continued the "badassitude" example set in Star Trek VI.

Wasn't there an episode of Voyager where some random time-space anomaly (there's a lot of them about :p ) sent Janeway back to the Excelsior at a time when Sulu was in command?

I don't remember the overall premise of the episode though...so I couldn't even say if Sulu continued the "badassitude" example set in Star Trek VI.

There may well have been - there's a lot of Voyager I haven't seen. =) I'm mostly a TOS nerd.

time for another question: which is you favourite ST movie?

Hmm....tough call, but I'm going to go with ST VI...I like Klingons, I like conspiracies, and I like balls out fights to end movies, and VI has all of those things.

In order, it would probably be...

1. ST: VI
2. ST: First Contact
3. ST: II
4. ST: IV
5. ST: Generations
6. ST: III
7. ST: Nemesis
8. ST: V
9. ST: I
10. ST: Insurrection (only last because I still have yet to see it)

Wasn't there an episode of Voyager where some random time-space anomaly (there's a lot of them about :p ) sent Janeway back to the Excelsior at a time when Sulu was in command?

I don't remember the overall premise of the episode though...so I couldn't even say if Sulu continued the "badassitude" example set in Star Trek VI.
could well have been. i remember the stuff with sulu from 6 (i think) but i also seem to remember him chasing after a runabout for some reason, and i think that was in an episode and not a movie... hmm

In 2290, Sulu assumed command of the starship Excelsior and began a three-year mission charting gaseous anomalies in the Beta Quadrant. Because of this proximity to the Klingon Empire he was instrumental in saving the U.S.S. Enterprise from destruction by dissidents who were out to destroy the Khitomer peace conference.

In 2290, Sulu was promoted to the rank of Captain, and offered command of the USS Excelsior. Lieutenant Commander Janice Rand was assigned as the ship's Communications Officer at Sulu's request. (VOY: "Flashback")

In 2293, the Excelsior encountered a subspace shock wave, resulting from the destruction of the Klingon moon Praxis. The Klingon Empire was thereby forced to negotiate peace with the Federation. Following the assassination of Klingon Chancellor Gorkon, Captain Kirk and Dr. McCoy were accused of the crime, and sentenced to life-long prison sentences at Rura Penthe. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)

In 2344, Sulu sponsored Chakotay's entry into Starfleet Academy. (VOY: "Tattoo")

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Sulu2293.jpg


(insurrection and nexus were poor movies imo, btw)

10. ST: Insurrection (only last because I still have yet to see it)

Don't bother >.< It's awful.

My list:

1) Star Trek IV, The Voyage Home. Awesome =D. And that's all there is to it.
2) Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan. "KHAAAAAAN!" A classic that saved the franchise.
3) Star Trek VI, The Undiscovered Country. This I saw in theaters back when it came out. Then, I thought it was cool because the Klingons had cool-aid for blood. Now, I like it more for the commentary on the end of the Cold War.
4) Star Trek III, the Search for Spock. This gets promoted over First Contact just for the awesome noise Excelsior makes after Scotty bombs the transwarp drive.
5) Star Trek VIII, First Contact. The Borg rule. So does Moby Dick. (see: Khan)
6) Star Trek I, "The Motion Picture". Greatly underappreciated. I like it and I still haven't seen the director's cut, which I've heard is even better.
7) Star Trek VII, Generations. This is the dividing line between "movies I like" and "movies I don't like." Destroying the Enterprise-D (which was THE UGLIEST MODEL USED IN THE HISTORY OF STAR TREK (yes, even the whale probe from STIV was better) is a definate plus.
8) Star Trek X, Nemesis. God awful, it only gets #8 by the virtue of...
9) Star Trek IX, Insurrection. AUGH! THIS FILM BURNS! GET IT OFF ME! But it is saved from the absolute bottom by...
10) Star Trek V, The Final Frontier. This movie was never made. They went straight from IV to VI. Really. Move along, folks, nothing to see here.

Star Trek I, "The Motion Picture". Greatly underappreciated. I like it and I still haven't seen the director's cut, which I've heard is even better.

I can't stand this movie, and unless you just love the special effects shots of V'Ger, then don't even bother with the directors cut, since about 99% of the additional footage is just the bridge crew staring in wonderment at yet more of the inside of V'Ger (as if the theatrical release didn't have enough of that already)

10) Star Trek V, The Final Frontier. This movie was never made. They went straight from IV to VI. Really. Move along, folks, nothing to see here.

I must be the only one who didn't utterly hate this movie...it's bad yes, but it does have it's moments.

Sulu: We're...we've been caught in a blizzard *starts blowing on the communicator*
Chekov: ...ahnd ve can't see a thing! Request you provide directions to the coordinates.
Uhura: My scan says...sunny skies and 63 degress
Sulu: *stops blowing*

:p

I can't stand this movie, and unless you just love the special effects shots of V'Ger, then don't even bother with the directors cut, since about 99% of the additional footage is just the bridge crew staring in wonderment at yet more of the inside of V'Ger (as if the theatrical release didn't have enough of that already)

Heh, I actually did like those scenes. I even liked the one of Kirk being shuttled to the Enterprise -- that was a very emotional scene. I liked the entire concept behind the movie (it did a MUCH better job of addressing religion than V ever could have). And, of course, "in other words, captain, they drafted me!" *chuckles*

I must be the only one who didn't utterly hate this movie...it's bad yes, but it does have it's moments.

Sulu: We're...we've been caught in a blizzard *starts blowing on the communicator*
Chekov: ...ahnd ve can't see a thing! Request you provide directions to the coordinates.
Uhura: My scan says...sunny skies and 63 degress
Sulu: *stops blowing*

:p

I'll admit that I probably get more pleasure out of watching STV than I do out of Insurrection or Nemesis - but you can't make a list without STV at the bottom =). I do like some of the scenes -- "Row, row, row your boat", the prison sequence ("Stand ... back. What?"), the shuttle crash, and "she was put togetha by monkhays, sah!" stand out in particular.

However, you have to balance these with the entire plot, the fact that Spock's brother was named Sybok (which sounds a hell of a lot like "Sidewalk"), the entire Nimbus sequence (especially the part where Nichelle Nichols dances...*shudder* That's almost as bad as the "hot action" sequences involving Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes in Nemesis *gouges out eyes*), and the fact that God's main power was to smear feces on the front of their uniforms. All in all, the "good" parts don't measure up to the "AUGH! AWFUL!" parts.

*snip*

Good points! :)

I must admit, it has been quite a while since I've seen ST: I, but thats generally because I disliked it so much, despite repeated viewings.

Care to give me a small summary of Insurrection, just so I have an idea of what was happening and why the movie was so bad?

i believe the hot scene with riker and troi was them sharing a bath and ms troi giving riker a shave with a straight razor.

this taps into events that took place even before the TNG even started. the book 'imzadi' goes into a lot more detail about the first time they met on betazed.

As a non-rabid non-ST uber-fan, I chose Picard. He was smart, sophisticated, and not invincible. He just seemed the most competent of the group. Sisko was cool, but not really a captain. Commander of DS9 was it? Janeway... ugh. Something about her just didn't click with me. Kirk was a moron and shouldn't have made it as far as he did. Archer... well, I've only seen a couple episodes of the new ST show, and I really haven't been impressed.
Picard wins by default, with the non-captain Sisko coming in second. :P

Care to give me a small summary of Insurrection, just so I have an idea of what was happening and why the movie was so bad?

Well, this might be biased, mind you, by the fact that I haven't seen that movie since my roommate moved out (I don't have a copy myself ... for a variety of good reasons >.< )

Basically, Data is monitoring a primitive race when he goes haywire and starts beating up the other Federation scientists on the mission. Everyone thinks he's finally blown his positronic brain, but it turns out that his compassion matrix (or whatever the hell it's called) has been activated and he's fighting to protect the people on the planet.

It turns out that the planet (because of *treknobabble-asteroids-babble*) has the power to restore and grant eternal life or something to that effect, so a bunch of aliens with really bad facelifts want to move in. For whatever reason, the Federation man on the spot is like "yeah! Do it!" so Picard and co. start a guerilla resistance to the efforts to relocate the people who were on the planet.

It's not such a horrid idea, but ...well, just watch it. It's painful in the same way Nemesis is: a complete betrayal of everything that Trek is supposed to stand for. It's cheap, hackneyed, Hollywoodified crap. Granted, that's the direction that all the Next Gen movies took, with the possible exception of Generations, but at least First Contact managed to do it in style.

*another snippy*

Ah...gotcha, thank you. :)

I shall continue to avoid seeing that movie then. :p

(...)
5. Archer (never saw a single episode, and I'm proud of that fact)
You shouldn't be too proud for you have missed Sub-Commander T'Pol entirely that way. You thought 7of9 was it? Uh-uh! Gotta love'em pointy ears :D

it is a great movie! its decent star trek, with some real values and a great sense of humour :p
it also makes a nice break cos the other movies are often so devoid of comedy ;)

but sadly, not many trekkies seem to like it :(
its you and me against the world!
I'm there with you - and I'm Mr. StarTrek Über-Geekness...

One word: LDS!

Okay, so my order of the movies would be:

01. ST: VI
02. ST: II
03. ST: First Contact
04. ST: IV
05. ST: III
06. ST: Nemesis
07. ST: Generations
08. ST: Insurrection
09. ST: I
10. ST: V

Uhm. Wouldn't a Director's Cut of ST: I "The Slow Motion Picture" make it even longer? It's true, it's highly underrated, but everything takes so much time... Way too much detail and not enough Star Trek feeling...

Oh, there's one more thing that has me rooting for Picard: His haircut will be the only one I can have in the years to come. Don't ask. I'm still hoping not to pull a full Sisko...

Ah...gotcha, thank you. :)

I shall continue to avoid seeing that movie then. :p
you should see it, really. It is one of my favorites, the whole thing runs like a long episode more than a movie though.


As far as my favorite, I am partial to Generations ;)


My kids like it too, other than Kathryn(4 year old) has a lot of continuity problems with it, but we are willing to suspend our disbelief in the name of entertainment.

I think First Contact was the best one so far though :)

I've heard from people who claim DS:9 was the best of the Trek series. But usually they'll talk up all the things I loathe as strengths. I mean - I like Star Trek, dig? With the flying rubber puke and the ambassador you can't look at and the little blue aliens made of felt & pipe cleaners and everything. If you can't dig that, how can you watch a soap opera pretending be Star Trek and say it's the cat's ass?

It's beyond me.
You forgot the dudes who played the silicon aliens (the name escapes me at the moment). Two guys underneath a blanket. That was awesome!!!!!!
I thought DS9 was pretty cool especially when they got into the war.

Don't you think it's funny that in the movies Worf always seems to be in the area and ready to board the Enterprise.
Picard: Good to see you Mr. Worf. Do you remmeber how to handle the phasers.
Worf: Grunt
If there is another movie how will he beam aboard the Enterprise this time. Another Batula (sp) tourny???
Anyone know if there is another movie in the works?

time for another question: which is you favourite ST movie?

me, first contact wins hands down
but i do love ST 4 :p

(and kudos to star trek the motion picture cos Lt. Ilia was hot ;))
They're all so good.
1. Undiscovered Country
2. Wrath of Khan
3. Search for Spock

Now I know many, many people hated Star Trek V but that was where the great Kirk challenged God. I mean who else would have done that. Picard challenged the devil once.
And the most hated Star Trek charcter ever......Wesley Crusher of course. ;)

Now I know many, many people hated Star Trek V but that was where the great Kirk challenged God. I mean who else would have done that. Picard challenged the devil once.

Neither of them were actually "God" or "the devil" though - just impersonators.

i believe the hot scene with riker and troi was them sharing a bath and ms troi giving riker a shave with a straight razor.

this taps into events that took place even before the TNG even started. the book 'imzadi' goes into a lot more detail about the first time they met on betazed.
I lost a 26er of Black Label in a bet I made with my buddy prior to Generations. I bet that we would get to see Trois' boobs. I figured it was time for the Star Trek Franchise to show some skin. (Don't bring back memories of Uhura's strip tease in Star Trek V - groooaaannn)

Sisko most definately. The fact that he's the widdowed father of a teenage son, a Starfleet commander placed in some backwater shithole, suddenly becomes a religious leader to an entire displaced people, becomes a military leader in a war, and then kicks Gul'Dukat's lily ass...Sisko is no contest. Plus, the Defiant could WTFPWN any of the Enterprises any day.

Picard is a close second, with Janeway at a distant third. I didn't like Kirk much, and Enterprise was just pure crystalized crap.

However...Sulu will forever be in my heart as the best captain that never was. "FLY HER APART THEN!"

You people aren't Star Trek fans. You're soap opera mavens.

So what the heck is a "Star Trek Fan?" If you are in to ST only because you like the Andorians, you'd still be a Star Trek Fan. As long as you like the show it's ok by me.

I've always liked Picard. In a way, he seemed to me the essence of a Starfleet captain: little bit dictator, throw a few moments of democracy in, sometimes philosopher-king who has some runs with a few ladies, and occasional explorer/archiologist(sp). Just seemed like he knew a little about everything, and did everything he knew.

Sisko was my second farvorite captain, more so during the Dominion War part of the series. Didn't really like him at first, but once he'd been playing the part for a few seasons I think he got more comfortable with the character. Plus, when he was pissed, you could tell by how deep his voice got. Plus, I always thought his eyes just burned whenever he was pissed to.

Haven't watched much of TOS, though I've seen all the movies Kirk was in. I'd say he was decent, though I won't comment much since I don't really know much about him.

Janeway I really didn't like, and not because she was a woman captain. I just never really liked her character. She seemed.....wimpy, pansy, well-my-ship-is-under-attack-but-I-still-will-try-diplomacy style never connected. I just never really like the Voyager series that well, though I did like the Doctor's character a lot.

Archer just plain, flat out SUCKED for a Captain. Enterprise the series was a complete let down to the ST legacy. They tried too much to make it emotional or feelygoody and lost the real meaning of Trek. Never saw Quantum Leap, so I don't know how Bakula did on that, but from watching him on Enterprise, he seems so spineless and dorky. Constantly having to explain his reasons for his actions to his crew or to a few people of his crew always seemed like he needed attention or affirmation. The whole series was a scifi soap, and horrible. I was sometimes embarrassed that I watched it for as long as I did (up to the 4th season, remarkably). Though I did like the plotlines for the 3rd season, the whole Xindi deal.


For movies, I liked ST 7 the best. Generations just seemed like a good way to bridge the series to move from the original cast to the TNG cast. While the plot needed some working, having Data play with his emotion chip was priceless! Especially when he finally got the joke from the first episode of TNG! :D

I absolutely HATED ST 4!! ST 5 was also pretty bad. The only thing that saved 4 was the humor that was in the lines, but I just loathed the story for the movie. It seemed to me like they were only looking for a way to make the movies continue, and needed an excuse to make 5, which was also a weak story in my opinion. Though I loved the whole "we're in a blizzard" sequence! Classic Trek.