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Canada, we have a problem?

Brady Bunch Perm
25-11-2005, 20:03
An interesting article, has Paul Hellyer gone over the edge? What do you think?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20051124/bs_prweb/prweb314382_1

(PRWEB) - OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with “ETs.”

By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.

On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something."

Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop."

Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."

Hellyer’s speech ended with a standing ovation. He said, "The time has come to lift the veil of secrecy, and let the truth emerge, so there can be a real and informed debate, about one of the most important problems facing our planet today."

Three Non-governmental organizations took Hellyer’s words to heart, and approached Canada’s Parliament in Ottawa, Canada’s capital, to hold public hearings on a possible ET presence, and what Canada should do. The Canadian Senate, which is an appointed body, has held objective, well-regarded hearings and issued reports on controversial issues such as same-sex marriage and medical marijuana,

On October 20, 2005, the Institute for Cooperation in Space requested Canadian Senator Colin Kenny, Senator, Chair of The Senate Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, “schedule public hearings on the Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, so that witnesses such as the Hon. Paul Hellyer, and Canadian-connected high level military-intelligence, NORAD-connected, scientific, and governmental witnesses facilitated by the Disclosure Project and by the Toronto Exopolitics Symposium can present compelling evidence, testimony, and Public Policy recommendations.”

The Non-governmental organizations seeking Parliament hearings include Canada-based Toronto Exopolitics Symposium, which organized the University of Toronto Symposium at which Mr. Hellyer spoke.

The Disclosure Project, a U.S.– based organization that has assembled high level military-intelligence witnesses of a possible ET presence, is also one of the organizations seeking Canadian Parliament hearings.

Vancouver-based Institute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS), whose International Director headed a proposed 1977 Extraterrestrial Communication Study for the White House of former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, who himself has publicly reported a 1969 Close Encounter of the First Kind with a UFO, filed the original request for Canadian Parliament hearings.

The Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, presented by the organizations to a Senate Committee panel hearing in Winnipeg, Canada, on March 10, 2005, proposes that the Government of Canada undertake a Decade of Contact.

The proposed Decade of Contact is “a 10-year process of formal, funded public education, scientific research, educational curricula development and implementation, strategic planning, community activity, and public outreach concerning our terrestrial society’s full cultural, political, social, legal, and governmental communication and public interest diplomacy with advanced, ethical Off-Planet cultures now visiting Earth.”

Canada has a long history of opposing the basing of weapons in Outer Space. On September 22, 2004 Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin declared to the U.N. General Assembly,” "Space is our final frontier. It has always captured our imagination. What a tragedy it would be if space became one big weapons arsenal and the scene of a new arms race.

Martin stated, "In 1967, the United Nations agreed that weapons of mass
destruction must not be based in space. The time has come to extend this ban to all weapons..."

In May, 2003, speaking before the Canadian House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada Lloyd Axworthy, stated “Washington's offer to Canada is not an invitation to join America under a protective shield, but it presents a global security doctrine that violates Canadian values on many levels."

Axworthy concluded, “There should be an uncompromising commitment to preventing the placement of weapons in space.”

On February 24, 2005, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin made official Canada's decision not to take part in the U.S government’s Ballistic Missile Defence program.

Paul Hellyer, who now seeks Canadian Parliament hearings on relations with ETs, on May 15, 2003, stated in Toronto’s Globe & Mail newspaper, “Canada should accept the long-standing invitation of U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio to launch a conference to seek approval of an international treaty to ban weapons in space. That would be a positive Canadian contribution toward a more peaceful world.”

In early November 2005, the Canadian Senate wrote ICIS, indicating the Senate Committee could not hold hearings on ETs in 2005, because of their already crowded schedule.

“That does not deter us,” one spokesperson for the Non-governmental organizations said, “We are going ahead with our request to Prime Minister Paul Martin and the official opposition leaders in the House of Commons now, and we will re-apply with the Senate of Canada in early 2006.

“Time is on the side of open disclosure that there are ethical Extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth,” The spokesperson stated. “Our Canadian government needs to openly address these important issues of the possible deployment of weapons in outer war plans against ethical ET societies.”
Kryozerkia
25-11-2005, 20:05
So, how does this affect my tax refund?
Brady Bunch Perm
25-11-2005, 20:11
So, how does this affect my tax refund?

You'll find out soon enough, right after MARS ATTACKS! Or when Bush blows up the Klingons from around Uranus!
Quaiffberg
25-11-2005, 20:12
Even though I am Canadian, I hate Pierre Trudeau so much. He is such a weasel and he is dumb as a stump. No idea how he was ever prime minister. I also have no idea why everyone loves him.
Waterkeep
25-11-2005, 20:20
Even though I am Canadian, I hate Pierre Trudeau so much. He is such a weasel and he is dumb as a stump. No idea how he was ever prime minister. I also have no idea why everyone loves him.
Feel better getting that off your chest?

On to topic, how in the world do you eliminate weapons in space, when you consider that a friggin' rock with an engine mounted to it is as nasty a weapon as you need? After all, one of those was enough to wipe out the dinosaurs.
Celtlund
25-11-2005, 20:21
Help. I can't find my aluminum foil.
Megaloria
25-11-2005, 20:24
If it turns out these aliens look anything like KD, we're screwed.
Brady Bunch Perm
25-11-2005, 20:25
Help. I can't find my aluminum foil.

I think only one thing can save us from Bushs' evil intergaltic plans, and he is Batboy.http://olympia.ssri.psu.edu/pictures/batboy.jpg

Fear not Canada, Batboy is on his way there to advise Paul Martin.
Silliopolous
25-11-2005, 20:26
Bah, Hellyer is 82. He's entitled to his senility


I suggest we simply sit back, make some popcorn, and enjoy the show....
Silliopolous
25-11-2005, 20:29
Even though I am Canadian, I hate Pierre Trudeau so much. He is such a weasel and he is dumb as a stump. No idea how he was ever prime minister. I also have no idea why everyone loves him.

Well, given that the man is dead, I assume that at this point you COULD call him "dumb as a stump" as you could probably out-debate him.



Probably.



He was many things - and many things that a lot of people objected to.

"Dumb", though, is never an adjective used in relation to him - even by his most ardent contemporary opponents.
SnowValley
25-11-2005, 20:31
Help. I can't find my aluminum foil.
I think Hellyer has it all!!:p
Stephistan
25-11-2005, 20:32
Even though I am Canadian, I hate Pierre Trudeau so much. He is such a weasel and he is dumb as a stump. No idea how he was ever prime minister. I also have no idea why everyone loves him.

Pierre Trudeau was the best thing to EVER happen to Canada. Go learn some Canadian history.
Kryozerkia
25-11-2005, 20:32
Help. I can't find my aluminum foil.
I'll get you the foil and you make sure my tax refund isn't affected by this.
Brady Bunch Perm
25-11-2005, 20:38
Pierre Trudeau was the best thing to EVER happen to Canada. Go learn some Canadian history.

I think that the best thing was the McKenzie brothers, or Trudeau's hottie wife (I think Mick would agree). ;)
Celtlund
25-11-2005, 20:39
I think only one thing can save us from Bushs' evil intergaltic plans, and he is Batboy.http://olympia.ssri.psu.edu/pictures/batboy.jpg

Fear not Canada, Batboy is on his way there to advise Paul Martin.

He's so cute and cuddly. :eek:
Celtlund
25-11-2005, 20:41
I'll get you the foil and you make sure my tax refund isn't affected by this.

OK, but your refund will have to be in US dollars and total less then $4.95 Canadian. :)
Quaiffberg
25-11-2005, 20:59
How is Trudeau the best thing to ever happened to Canada?
Dobbsworld
26-11-2005, 04:17
If it turns out these aliens look anything like KD, we're screwed.
No, no, no. They'd be screwed. 'Cause they'd get swarmed by hungry University students in search of a cheap meal, wherever they went.
Candelar
26-11-2005, 09:52
I think only one thing can save us from Bushs' evil intergaltic plans, and he is Batboy.http://olympia.ssri.psu.edu/pictures/batboy.jpg

Fear not Canada, Batboy is on his way there to advise Paul Martin.
Look at those ears. He's a Vulcan infiltrator!
Kryozerkia
26-11-2005, 19:17
OK, but your refund will have to be in US dollars and total less then $4.95 Canadian. :)
YAY! An American dollar! :D Here's a foil hat!
Brady Bunch Perm
26-11-2005, 19:22
OK, but your refund will have to be in US dollars and total less then $4.95 Canadian. :)

Actually it wouldn't be $4.95 US, more like $4.95 Canadian Tire money. ;)
Brady Bunch Perm
26-11-2005, 19:26
Look at those ears. He's a Vulcan infiltrator!

My dear boy, that is just a ruse to use on the aliens. Infact Batboy is a red-blooded American just like me. He was found living in a cave in W Virginia.

BTW Did you know he was the one who found Saddam in that spider hole, but the evil Bush covered up that intel, and misled the entire world?
Novoga
26-11-2005, 22:25
Canada has many problems, but if you elect me dictator for life and then have me murdered on the floor of Parliament everything will turn out for the best.
Dakini
26-11-2005, 22:35
Bah, Hellyer is 82. He's entitled to his senility


I suggest we simply sit back, make some popcorn, and enjoy the show....
Yeah, old people are allowed to go crazy.
SHAENDRA
27-11-2005, 14:51
Actually it wouldn't be $4.95 US, more like $4.95 Canadian Tire money. ;)
Enough of the Canadian Money jokes O.K! Just because our money is worth less then the American Greenback people feel free to make endless jokes about it. Relatively speaking our dollar measured against most other currencies does very well ,thank you, exceptions, the Vaunted American Dollar and the Euro, there may be others but not many. I am old enough to remember when our Dollar was worth more then the American currency.
Brady Bunch Perm
27-11-2005, 16:02
Enough of the Canadian Money jokes O.K! Just because our money is worth less then the American Greenback people feel free to make endless jokes about it. Relatively speaking our dollar measured against most other currencies does very well ,thank you, exceptions, the Vaunted American Dollar and the Euro, there may be others but not many. I am old enough to remember when our Dollar was worth more then the American currency.


Calm down, I was making fun of Canadian Tire Money, you know the crap they give you when you buy something? Geez, what an over-reaction.

BTW go to Bangkok and try to buy a hooker with real Canadian money, they laugh.
Megaloria
27-11-2005, 16:27
No, no, no. They'd be screwed. 'Cause they'd get swarmed by hungry University students in search of a cheap meal, wherever they went.

Oh, I'd be there on the front lines dressed in blue paint and ready to eat. But they might have lasers.
CanuckHeaven
27-11-2005, 16:32
Even though I am Canadian, I hate Pierre Trudeau so much. He is such a weasel and he is dumb as a stump. No idea how he was ever prime minister. I also have no idea why everyone loves him.
Pierre Trudeau died many years ago. What is your problem?
Brady Bunch Perm
27-11-2005, 16:37
Pierre Trudeau died many years ago. What is your problem?

That is a lie, he is on the mothership, plotting to take out the evil Bush in an intergalatic war.
CanuckHeaven
27-11-2005, 16:39
That is a lie, he is on the mothership, plotting to take out the evil Bush in an intergalatic war.
If that is the case, then may the force be with Pierre!! :D
Gift-of-god
27-11-2005, 16:46
Looks like there are a lot of separate issues being conflated in this article, not to mention this thread.

1. The weaponisation of space.
2. Possible contact with ETs
3. Jokes about Canada.

While I support the Canadian position on keeping space as a weapons free zone, we have to face the fact that the USians are bound to put as many weapons up there as they posssibly can.

Assuming we are being visited by aliens (not Mexicans, for all you USians reading this), what does this entail? All I can imagine is some little green dude looking down on us and shaking his head, thinking 'what a bunch of dumb fucks'.
Artitsa
27-11-2005, 16:49
Low money is a good thing ;)