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Its a simple question !

Space or illegal?

An alien once asked me for $10 in loan and told me it would pay me the next day. Well, it's been quite a while and haven't seen it since, so, no, I don't believe in aliens.

Obviously, Canada at some point had a government minister who believes the aliens are here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20051124/bs_prweb/prweb314382_1

(PRWEB) - OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with “ETs.”

By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.

On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something."

Sure! Aren't we the descendents of an alien slave race? I don't know, I'll just read Robert Doherty's Area 51 books. Maybe he'll have some insight. :D

I believe that there is live beyond our planet, with the amount of stars and galaxies floating around out there, there must be.

(Not base on science in anyway just my humble opinion)

No, simply because I have no decisions in life that have to be made based on the existence or non-existence of extra-terrestrials. The same holds true for ghosts, faeries, and free trips to Hawaii offered by telemarketers.

The odds are that there's life elsewhere in the galaxy, so yes. Whether they've come visiting here is another story.

I beleive there is probably alien life out there somewhere but I don't think its visited Earth, thats just what they want you to believe.

No, simply because I have no decisions in life that have to be made based on the existence or non-existence of extra-terrestrials. The same holds true for ghosts, faeries, and free trips to Hawaii offered by telemarketers.
lol! you're probably right. Though, I can't help but wonder, what if Earth is just some big alien experiment, and we're being constantly watched and evaluated by little green men on monitors?

I beleive there is probably alien life out there somewhere but I don't think its visited Earth, thats just what they want you to believe.

And who exactly are THEY? :)

i do but i don't believe any would be retarded enough to visit this crappy planet :p

Obviously, Canada at some point had a government minister who believes the aliens are here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20051124/bs_prweb/prweb314382_1

(PRWEB) - OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with “ETs.”

By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.

On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something."
Look up former US senator Claibourne Pell. He had our government looking into UFOs, psychics and spoon benders.

Do I believe that somewhere in the vast universe, there can be other forms of life? Yes, I do.

Do I believe that they are beings smarter than us in the universe? Who knows.

Do I believe in little green men visiting us in UFOS from billions of lightyears away to abduct random people and stick probes up their asses? Hell no!


I do believe in extraterrestrial life, but the one's that we're most likely to actually discover will probably come in the form of microbes and such. take Titan, for example: http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/saturn/moons.html

Although many of the organic chemicals thought to have been the precursors to life on Earth are present on Titan, it appears to be too cold for life as we know it to have evolved there.

Titan has many factors which would enable it to have life, such as water, for example, but it can't due to extremely cold temperatures. However, if the precursors to simple organic evolutionary phases are present on a planet in our solar system, in my opinion, it wouldn't be so crazy to assume that similar processes are taking place somewhere else in the universe.


However, I must stress, the chances of coming into contact with any intelligent extraterrestrial life is ridiculously dismal.

There's no reason to say they do or don't. They might. But it's nothing but supposition. Furthermore, we have more reason to be concerned with our own existence right now. The search for ETs can wait until after we've sorted our own mess out.

There's no reason to say they do or don't. They might. But it's nothing but supposition. Furthermore, we have more reason to be concerned with our own existence right now. The search for ETs can wait until after we've sorted our own mess out.
But the aliens will save us!

There's no reason to say they do or don't. They might. But it's nothing but supposition. Furthermore, we have more reason to be concerned with our own existence right now. The search for ETs can wait until after we've sorted our own mess out.

I second that. We got our own problems to worry about. There are more pressing issues to address than aliens...

Look up former US senator Claibourne Pell. He had our government looking into UFOs, psychics and spoon benders.


Well, on that note look at the entire membership of Congress for quite a while who repeatedly funded SETI, or go back to the original Project Blue Book the USAF did.... clearly indicating a large number of people willing to at least entertain the notion.


that being said, the former minister from Canada who wanted a discussion on how to engage politically entities we have thus far been unable to determine if they exist, how to communicate with, or on what level they might want to communicate to us...well - he's a nut.

If (assuming this guy were right and aliens did exist) the spaceships arrived tommorow, it would imply a level of technical superiority that would leave us with one choice: agree to any demands given.

Hardly any diplomacy involved really....

But the aliens will save us!
That's what they want you to think. Or so says Scientology, anyway. <_<

Hardly any diplomacy involved really....

Why would there be any diplomacy? Would you negotiate with an ant for the rights to a piece of sugar?

Why would there be any diplomacy? Would you negotiate with an ant for the rights to a piece of sugar?

That's pretty much my point wasn't it?

That's pretty much my point wasn't it?
You said that they would make demands. I don't think they would even bother saying anything - just vaporize us and take what they wanted.

I could take it even further. They would be killing us by accident, the way we kill dolphins when we fish for tuna.

We acknowledge that dolphins might be intelligent, and pose no threat to us, but most humans in the world could care less if some dolphins get caught in a net (unless they watch a special animal rights presentation).

Sometimes Kimchi, I think you try to argue with me just for the sake of being argumentative.....

Sometimes Kimchi, I think you try to argue with me just for the sake of being argumentative.....
I am emulating my wife, who says that you should always look to the specific details, not the general point.

The odds are that there's life elsewhere in the galaxy, so yes. Whether they've come visiting here is another story.
There's a lot of people saying this, which is what I was going to say, so I'll just quote one at random and say-

That.

Do I believe that somewhere in the vast universe, there can be other forms of life? Yes, I do.

Titan has many factors which would enable it to have life, such as water, for example, but it can't due to extremely cold temperatures. However, if the precursors to simple organic evolutionary phases are present on a planet in our solar system, in my opinion, it wouldn't be so crazy to assume that similar processes are taking place somewhere else in the universe.
Actually, it's speculated that due to the proximity of Saturn, this would create huge tidal forces underneath titans ice sheet, allowing a warmer ocean temperature which could be condusive to life developing.

Also, there may be active ocean floors gas vents which would be ideal for life to evolve and flourish, exactly the way those organisms flourish today in Earth's ocean floors.

I second that. We got our own problems to worry about. There are more pressing issues to address than aliens...
It never does any harm to consider and speculate on areas outwith your immediate concerns, at the very least it can help to raise your level of awareness and develop any spiritual or philosophical concepts we should all have.

Actually, it's speculated that due to the proximity of Saturn, this would create huge tidal forces underneath titans ice sheet, allowing a warmer ocean temperature which could be condusive to life developing.

Also, there may be active ocean floors gas vents which would be ideal for life to evolve and flourish, exactly the way those organisms flourish today in Earth's ocean floors.



Interesting. Some people, however, aren't happy with that natural progress, and have their own thoughts as to how to speed things up: http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html


Surely that can't actually work?

Lets close this debate on this little note:

Without a doubt, there is other life in the universe (150 billion galaxies).
It would be stupid to think that the conditions which created life on this blue planet in the Milky Way galaxy could not repeat itself in one of trilllion kagillion mazillion...whatever number planets that are in those 150 billion galaxies.

Now the debate should be is that life intelligent life or just primitive (organic cells, etc.) There possibly might be some other intelligent life out there...but the fact that they visited Earth is proposterous...proposterous!!!!!

If I was an alien, intelligent one, and had travelled billlions and billions of light years to find this planet I wouldn't just say : hey thats great were not alone and then go back.

They would either seize control of this planet...or if they were more "humane" they would try to establish some lines of communication or something

They don't want to make that trip for nothing!!!

For you paranoia freaks out there chew on this : if they did arrive here and have not conquered anything and are just studying us...then they(and by "they" I mean the OTHERS........lol) are among us........mouhahahahahahaha.


How do I know all of this, because I'm an alien! THERE that ends this debate!

P.S. : I really am an alien...I live in Canada! That proves it!

Do I believe that somewhere in the vast universe, there can be other forms of life? Yes, I do.

Do I believe that they are beings smarter than us in the universe? Who knows.

Do I believe in little green men visiting us in UFOS from billions of lightyears away to abduct random people and stick probes up their asses? Hell no!

....

However, I must stress, the chances of coming into contact with any intelligent extraterrestrial life is ridiculously dismal.

I'll agree with that.

Interesting. Some people, however, aren't happy with that natural progress, and have their own thoughts as to how to speed things up: http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html


Surely that can't actually work?
No idea, but reading one random line seemed intriging, "Did NASA Accidently Nuke Jupiter?" Made me think, what if one of the things we send out crashed and exploded on an alien world, and the whole reason they develop a space program and come here is to strike back.

That's probably been done and I just don't know about it. Or maybe that's what they have against cows and crops, or whatever.

No idea, but reading one random line seemed intriging, "Did NASA Accidently Nuke Jupiter?" Made me think, what if one of the things we send out crashed and exploded on an alien world, and the whole reason they develop a space program and come here is to strike back.

That's probably been done and I just don't know about it. Or maybe that's what they have against cows and crops, or whatever.


You mean if there were Martians, and thought that the all those Mars probes we've been sending are weapons. That would be some really bad luck!


The fact that they think NASA nuked Jupiter just goes to show what little credibility should actually be given to them

.... I AM an alien......

You mean if there were Martians, and thought that the all those Mars probes we've been sending are weapons. That would be some really bad luck!
Or, on the other hand, if a probe came to us and we all freaked out thinking it was the precursor to the invasion and went all nuts and blew up the ship that thought it had diplomatic clearance and we did this in spite of the fact that we have probes out too.


The fact that they think NASA nuked Jupiter just goes to show what little credibility should actually be given to them
It was a probe that got smashed or something. But, yeah...don't know enough to really look into it, though.

It was a probe that got smashed or something. But, yeah...don't know enough to really look into it, though.

And not too long after that comet, so maybe the Jovians will be so scared of our ability to bombard them with comets that they won't dare move against us.

Ho, ho. Stupid Jovians.

Yes, aliens do indeed exist. Take me to your leader...So I can overthrow him and institute anarchy!

Aliens exist and, moreover, come in a variety of colours, shapes and sizes.

Why do you think Mars is closer to the Earth than it has in 60,000 years?

The aliens are pushing it towards us so they perform a blitzkreig while everyone is sleeping.

Nostradamus even predicted it would come closer. Maybe Nostradamus was an alien. No man could prophecize things so accurately in quatrains without having to go into details.

well, it's already been said, but I find the odds of us being alone in this universe slim. Will we ever have proof? Probably not anytime soon.