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Why is it that people get so pissed off when you mention that people might be different?

Why is it wrong if I suggest that men are usually better in combat than women? I mean, sure, there are some women who would make excellent soldiers, but not many compared to men.

Or that black people are genetically predisposed to having a better physique? I've seen fat black people, and skinny black people, but on a whole, they seem to be genetically superior physically.

Asians seem to be better at math comprehension, white people seem to be better at decision making, men seem to be better with tools. It isn't just a bigoted opinion. It can be seen in society.

And why is it wrong to say that, on a whole, women are better at taking care of babies? Not that they need to stay home and clean the house, just that they are better nurturers.

What possible reason could you have to argue with theses assertions, other than the fact that they may offend you? When did being politically correct get more important than science and proof?

It seems to me that when someone is positively stereotyped, they take it as a complement, but when it's negative, they call you a racist, a sexist, or a bigot, and claim you are making it up to oppress people.

And please note that when I say a certain group is better at something, I'm not implying that it means the other groups can't be good at it too, just that they aren't pre-disposed to it.

Why is it that people get so pissed off when you mention that people might be different?

Why is it wrong if I suggest that men are usually better in combat than women? I mean, sure, there are some women who would make excellent soldiers, but not many compared to men.

Or that black people are genetically predisposed to having a better physique? I've seen fat black people, and skinny black people, but on a whole, they seem to be genetically superior physically.

Asians seem to be better at math comprehension, white people seem to be better at decision making, men seem to be better with tools. It isn't just a bigoted opinion. It can be seen in society.

And why is it wrong to say that, on a whole, women are better at taking care of babies? Not that they need to stay home and clean the house, just that they are better nurturers.

What possible reason could you have to argue with theses assertions, other than the fact that they may offend you? When did being politically correct get more important than science and proof?

It seems to me that when someone is positively stereotyped, they take it as a complement, but when it's negative, they call you a racist, a sexist, or a bigot, and claim you are making it up to oppress people.

And please note that when I say a certain group is better at something, I'm not implying that it means the other groups can't be good at it too, just that they aren't pre-disposed to it.

These in my opinion are societal norms, not neccessarily genetic.

And no, there is nothing wrong with being different, and yes I agree some people do need to grow a little backbone...for they haven't heard the worst of it...

Why is it that people get so pissed off when you mention that people might be different?

Why is it wrong if I suggest that men are usually better in combat than women? I mean, sure, there are some women who would make excellent soldiers, but not many compared to men.

Or that black people are genetically predisposed to having a better physique? I've seen fat black people, and skinny black people, but on a whole, they seem to be genetically superior physically.

Asians seem to be better at math comprehension, white people seem to be better at decision making, men seem to be better with tools. It isn't just a bigoted opinion. It can be seen in society.

And why is it wrong to say that, on a whole, women are better at taking care of babies? Not that they need to stay home and clean the house, just that they are better nurturers.

What possible reason could you have to argue with theses assertions, other than the fact that they may offend you? When did being politically correct get more important than science and proof?

It seems to me that when someone is positively stereotyped, they take it as a complement, but when it's negative, they call you a racist, a sexist, or a bigot, and claim you are making it up to oppress people.

And please note that when I say a certain group is better at something, I'm not implying that it means the other groups can't be good at it too, just that they aren't pre-disposed to it.
Those aren't necessarily true of everyone who fits into your nice neat little categories. I'll call you racist and sexist for stereotyping everyone in a positive way like you did here, 'cause that's what you are if you really believe it's so.

Not all women are good at taking care of kids, not all black people are athletes, not all asian people are good at math... I find it really funny that you say white people are good at decision making, really.

Toolworking is entierly a learned trait, it's not even genetic.

I think the problem is that those statements are generalisations, and thus do not consider people individually. In other words, prejudiced. That's not to say that there aren't noticeable trends, but we should be careful before basing our decisions upon them.

There was a time when it was thought that blacks really would never make very good golfers, quarterbacks, leaders, scientists etc. You name it and were told they really couldn't do. Same goes for women. I think history has proven all of the wrong. This is an area were science and the well know and popular religions were in agreement about 160 years ago. They were both wrong.

People don't like other people because they're not part of the master race.

Well, holy fuck people. Call the fucking P.C. police! I figured I'd get 4 or 5 posts at least before I was called a racist and compared to Nazis.

Everyone seems to be quick to say "thats not true of ALL people" and yet it seems everyone ignored the part where I said that myself. Everyone seems to not be able to see where I basically wrote that all people are capable of all things.

Typical knee jerk reactions from people who are too chicken shit to discuss the differences of people.

I'm curious where everyone seems to get that I was calling other races inferior. Some of you are just fucking pathetically brainwashed by the P.C. culture we live in. :rolleyes:

Well, holy fuck people. Call the fucking P.C. police! I figured I'd get 4 or 5 posts at least before I was called a racist and compared to Nazis.

Everyone seems to be quick to say "thats not true of ALL people" and yet it seems everyone ignored the part where I said that myself. Everyone seems to not be able to see where I basically wrote that all people are capable of all things.

Typical knee jerk reactions from people who are too chicken shit to discuss the differences of people.

I'm curious where everyone seems to get that I was calling other races inferior. Some of you are just fucking pathetically brainwashed by the P.C. culture we live in. :rolleyes:
It wasn't directed at you.

It wasn't directed at you.
Oh *blushes in shame* Sorry about that! ;)
A certain other poster seemed to imply it though.

Well, holy fuck people. Call the fucking P.C. police! I figured I'd get 4 or 5 posts at least before I was called a racist and compared to Nazis.
You called yourself a racist and a sexist. I simply agreed.

Everyone seems to be quick to say "thats not true of ALL people" and yet it seems everyone ignored the part where I said that myself. Everyone seems to not be able to see where I basically wrote that all people are capable of all things.
And there is no evidence that any of these groups are particularly spectacular at the things you pointed out, really. Hell, there is no race genetically. People of african descent are more genetically diverse than the rest of the world combined. In other words me, a european mutt is more closely related to an Australian aboriginee than someone whose ancestors are from Morocco is to someone whose ancestors are from Kenya for example.
Your generalizations are unfounded and really, quite pointless.

Typical knee jerk reactions from people who are too chicken shit to discuss the differences of people.

I'm curious where everyone seems to get that I was calling other races inferior. Some of you are just fucking pathetically brainwashed by the P.C. culture we live in. :rolleyes:
People said you were calling other races inferior? Perhaps your kneejerk reaction to people disagreeing with you is to call them brainwashed. :rolleyes:

Well, holy fuck people. Call the fucking P.C. police! I figured I'd get 4 or 5 posts at least before I was called a racist and compared to Nazis.

Everyone seems to be quick to say "thats not true of ALL people" and yet it seems everyone ignored the part where I said that myself. Everyone seems to not be able to see where I basically wrote that all people are capable of all things.

Typical knee jerk reactions from people who are too chicken shit to discuss the differences of people.

I'm curious where everyone seems to get that I was calling other races inferior. Some of you are just fucking pathetically brainwashed by the P.C. culture we live in. :rolleyes:

I really wasn't calling you rasict. I don't think anyway. I agree that there are some differences; but I suspect, believe that the differences are not genetic. Rather, they are social as Bolol mentioned earlier.

You called yourself a racist and a sexist. I simply agreed.

And where the fuck did I say that?

And there is no evidence that any of these groups are particularly spectacular at the things you pointed out, really. Hell, there is no race genetically. People of african descent are more genetically diverse than the rest of the world combined. In other words me, a european mutt is more closely related to an Australian aboriginee than someone whose ancestors are from Morocco is to someone whose ancestors are from Kenya for example.
Your generalizations are unfounded and really, quite pointless.
There is no race, genetically? Then perhaps you can explain the science behind sickle cell anemia?


People said you were calling other races inferior? Perhaps your kneejerk reaction to people disagreeing with you is to call them brainwashed. :rolleyes: At the top of your post, you just admitted that you agree I'm a racist. Racism, by definition is the belief that your race is superior. You aren't very bright, are you?

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Generally, they exist because the majority of the people in that section of the population are actually that way. That doesn’t mean we should expect an individual to follow a stereotype, but it is useful in fields where one has to predict the actions of a group, such as marketing.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Generally, they exist because the majority of the people in that section of the population are actually that way. That doesn’t mean we should expect an individual to follow a stereotype, but it is useful in fields where one has to predict the actions of a group, such as marketing.
Thats about what I was trying to say. It isn't fair to judge someone on what others in their group do, but it's fair to say a mojority of the group does it.

It's a distinction most people can't seem to make.

There is no race, genetically? Then perhaps you can explain the science behind sickle cell anemia?
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That has to do with the area of the world, not race. You'll find the same prevalence of sickle cell anemia in the jungle-type areas of Africa that you'll find in central and south america... It's not a racial divide, it's the fact that having a heterozygous combination of alleles causes an immunity to malaria, which is prevalent in tropical areas.

At the top of your post, you just admitted that you agree I'm a racist. Racism, by definition is the belief that your race is superior. You aren't very bright, are you?
No, racism is the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability. You claiming that any race is particularly good at one thing is claiming that race accounts for the differences between populations.
And I like to think of myself as a bright individual. I'm at least bright enough to consult a dictionary...

Because I said so. Next!

When did being politically correct get more important than science and proof?


Actually, your whole post is based on supposition and anecdotal evidence rather than science and 'proof'. Are you sure you aren't secretly PC? Deep, deep down?

Furthermore, nobody is saying that being different is bad. You just can't base personality traits or intellectual abilities on a person's appearance, let alone only their skin colour or gender. It's also rather funny that while you start off pretending to embrace differences, you appear to want to homogonize everyone and put them in nice neat little categories. People don't work in nice neat little categories like that... everyone is an individual and their personalities are not determined by their race or gender, but by their life experiences.

Furthermore, nobody is saying that being different is bad
I am.

everyone is an individual and their personalities are not determined by their race or gender, but by their life experiences.
A large number of gay men are effeminate. Surely that has something to do with genetics.

I am.
Ok, fine, one person is saying that being different is bad.


Also, where did that quote about how racism is scientifically based come from? I didn't see it in any of the posts.

I am.
That's just because YOU are bad. And you want to drag us all down with you.

A large number of gay men are effeminate. Surely that has something to do with genetics.
A large number of heterosexual men are homophobic. Surely that has something to do with their....what....who cares?

You can not extrapolate that to mean that blacks are genetically more athletic, or that Asians are genetically better at math.

A large number of gay men are effeminate. Surely that has something to do with genetics.
A lot of them put on that facade too.

And considering that homosexuality hasn't been positively linked to genetics that would be a tough one... it may have something to do with society's expectations for them as gay men or perhaps to do with how to attract other men? Like how some women (who seem to be declining in number, fortunately) put on the ditzy damsel in distress routine in an attempt to attract men.

That's just because YOU are bad. And you want to drag us all down with you.
And...?

Ok, fine, one person is saying that being different is bad.
Damn straight!

I do believe that that something affects how a particular ethnic group behaves. I see incredible evidence every day that shows this. Most black people at my school dress in gangsta clothes and rap. In advanced classes, there are a higher percentage of asians. I don't think that they are like this because of their race, but maybe because popular culture says that black people should be rappers and asians should study alot.

A large number of heterosexual men are homophobic. Surely that has something to do with their....what....who cares?

You can not extrapolate that to mean that blacks are genetically more athletic, or that Asians are genetically better at math.
Of course you can’t. I’m just saying, some parts of your personality are bound to be genetic. To say otherwise is ridiculous. Depression and other mental illnesses are inheritable. That is part of your personality, so why not other things?
And considering that homosexuality hasn't been positively linked to genetics that would be a tough one... it may have something to do with society's expectations for them as gay men or perhaps to do with how to attract other men?
Perhaps.
Like how some women (who seem to be declining in number, fortunately) put on the ditzy damsel in distress routine in an attempt to attract men.
What’s wrong with that? Better a chick be ditzy than be a bitch.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Generally, they exist because the majority of the people in that section of the population are actually that way. That doesn’t mean we should expect an individual to follow a stereotype, but it is useful in fields where one has to predict the actions of a group, such as marketing.

True that some stereotypes have some basis in truth. But as you know, I am sure, most stereotypes exist too belittle and degenerate people.

I'd take being a bitch over being a ditz ANY DAY.

What’s wrong with that? Better a chick be ditzy than be a bitch.
Well, one doesn't have to be a bitch if one isn't a ditz, one could you know, have a brain and think for oneself and perhaps expect some form of mutual respect in a relationship.

I'd take being a bitch over being a ditz ANY DAY.
Me too. At least I wouldn't have to fight off the assholes who expect a girl to be a ditz.

Certain groups have been shown to have some genetic advantages over other groups. For example, most of the great distance runners are from around Kenya. Most of the best sprinters can trace their lineage back to west Africa. I don't know if you could say that these groups constitute races, but their existence is obvious. People don't like to discuss this because the line of thinking inevitably leads to the question, if some groups are superior physically, are other groups superior mentally? That has lead to the subjugation and enslavement of groups of people and is a dangerous territory to get into.

Differnt isn't bad. You shouldn't strive to rebel against all, but you should strive to be yourself. I've got a few family members that are of the mentality : if you aren't doing what everyone else is.. you are the devil! I'm pretty much the opposite.. I have to keep myself from feeling that if you do what everyone else is doing that you are not selling yourself out. To each his own.

Certain groups have been shown to have some genetic advantages over other groups. For example, most of the great distance runners are from around Kenya. Most of the best sprinters can trace their lineage back to west Africa. I don't know if you could say that these groups constitute races, but their existence is obvious. People don't like to discuss this because the line of thinking inevitably leads to the question, if some groups are superior physically, are other groups superior mentally? That has lead to the subjugation and enslavement of groups of people and is a dangerous territory to get into.
Which is exactly my point. Thank you! Some people would rather just pretend we are all the same, and that we should lockstep with the PC police.

I personally don't give a shit if people think I'm a racist. I believe everyone should be given the same opportunities, and thats all that really matters.

Incidentally, can someone explain to me why Basketball is predominently black, and blacks are better forwards, on average, but most of the free throw records are held by white people? Sounds like a pretty amazing coincidence.